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Realistically, how many times can I write to this sucker before cells start shitting out?
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>>45347534
Dont defrag it...ever
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It's 2014 why are you worried about writes to an SSD? Any SSD made this decade will last longer than consumer tier mechanical drives
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>>45347544
I didn't plan to. windows defrags itself during idle cpu cycles though... that's why NTFS partitions usually aren't that fragmented.
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>>45347592
Well I've been downloading and deleting a shitload of steam games, that made me wonder if I might be killing my drive.
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Is it safe for my SATA 1TB to overwrite it completely with random data often? It happens because I get sick of windows and install linux, and I only ever use linux with encryption because why not? But I'm worried too many times would wear it down or something.
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>>45347534
>crucial

you can probably write about twice whatever the storage is before it shits out on you

>all these crucial shills on /g/ lately
>shitty rebranded cheap ssd's
>hating samsung because its popular now

toplel, enjoy your brick in 2 months
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>>45347609
why not just run it with a VM or dualboot? why completely rewrite it?
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>>45347594
you can disable automatic defrag
>>45347534
the SSD will last longer than average HDD
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>>45347625
Because I'm autistic.
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>>45347621
They aren't rebranded AFAIK.
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>>45347621
I bought the crucial because it had decent reviews and it was affordable.

time will tell if it's total shit.
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>>45347621
>look at all these citations!
Crucial makes their own SSDs.
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>>45347534
Anywhere from 300-3000 times.
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>>45347621
>you can probably write about twice whatever the storage is before it shits out on you

Utter nonsense. Try 100 times.
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I bought two 60GB crucial Force 3 ssds two years ago, they both still work great. windows 7 boots in 26 seconds according to event viewer. my boot drive says it's been powered on for 650 hours, and has been read and written each at 1.2 TB.

I also recently bought this china ass ssd with a pata interface from kingspec. it sped up the bootup time of my old ass laptop, but also has 1 bad sector on it.
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>>45347621
Samshill pls
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Enough times that by the point at which it's shitting out, you'll want to replace it.

That's where I'm at with a 60GB Intel 330. I'd welcome its death for a bigger 840 Evo but I might end up seeing the next generation first.
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>>45347621
?
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>>45349395
what program is this
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>>45349658
SSDlife
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>>45349789
Nothing to worry about here then
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>>45347621
>toplel
ur oooooooold
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>>45347534

My SSD is still in pretty good condition and I've had it for like 2.5 years now
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>>45349395
>>45349931
>>45350046

>mfw my SSD is the strongest
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>>45350062
Come at me bruh
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>>45350074

pls no bully
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HyperX 3K SSD

120gb
6gb/s
£60

What do you think, it's has good reviews
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>>45350074
>>45350140
What do the numbers mean Mason?
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>>45349395
hey there brother
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>>45350196
>>45349395
forgot pic.
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>>45350207
>>45350062
>>45350046
>2023
It's all a setup, morons
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It'll do
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>>45347534
Read write is almost infinite now, the degrading thing was only on earlier ssd.

Its crucial that you dont get crucial however, as they are terrible. Samsung, plexal, intel, kingston, hitachi.
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>>45350231
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>>45347621
Fuck off samshill cancer, all you idiots are known for is spreading lies on top of lies
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>>45350074
>mfw your writing is total shit
bruh it's like you only read books and not write your own. grow up.
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>>45350235
http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html

Rather, what i meant was "for the life of your pc"
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>>45350243
>implying anything other than 4K matters
top lmao
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>>45350250
4k tvs don't matter.
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Don't put anything important on there. OS and anything else you don't mind losing. They die a lot faster than you'd think. Right around the time you forget you're using an SSD, and it's become a part of your life. Suddenly it's nearing the end of its life. (This is assuming regular use to the same degree as most people use an HDD)

Hopefully the tech will improve in the future. For now I use 7200rpm drives for storage and I've got my OS on a WD VelociRaptor.
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>>45350231
That's not true.
>>45350244
I've never had a PC stop working. Is Windows that rough on your hardware? I've got GNU/Linux on all my machines and they perform the same as they always did. (no offense to Windows users)
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SSD's are more likely to outlast a mechanical hard drive nowadays.

>Muh months lifetime
It's fucking 2014, not 2007.
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>>45350768
Reported
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>>45348001
>>45348020
>>45348037
>>45349250
>>45349395
>>45349945
>>45350241
>>45350235

Crucial shills pleathe go
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>>45350807
Announcing reports is against the rules. Enjoy your ban, kid.
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>>45350794
Why do people spread misinformation like this?

I know you have both in your computer. Don't tell me you've got HDDs failing before you're replacing your SSDs.
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>>45350824
Because it's the truth.

http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb

It must hurt to know
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>>45350840
It's not the truth, and it wouldn't hurt me even if it was. I obviously want SSDs to be better so that I can use them.
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>>45350855
The future is now.
They already are.
The only downside to a ssd is the poor TB/$.
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>>45350794
>SSD's are more likely to outlast a mechanical hard drive nowadays.
I've never had an HDD fail on me, but I've had countless friends need to replace an SSD after a couple years of regular use.
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>>45350866
>>45350855
Cool anecdotes
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>>45350866
There were a couple rotten ones out there, OCZ comes to mind. Anyhow, that's a thing of the past, SSD's are very reliable NOW, the past is questionable.
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>>45350863
I really want to believe, anon... I've grown too cynical to believe everyone saying they're better now. The idea of finite storage in general disgusts me, to be perfectly honest.

>hard drive fail eventually, SSDs will probably outlast them
This is honestly the most flawed argument I've ever heard. Tons of machinery fails eventually. That doesn't mean I should go buy a different type of technology that is predetermined to fail.
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>>45350875
This entire thread is anecdotes. Do you honestly care about all these statistics? They're all averages, estimates, extremes, and other weird things. If you know someone who has experienced something, or you have experienced it yourself, that knowledge is absolute. It's far too easy for people to lie (or be wrong about) statistics.
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>>45350887
Now, how about you link a trustable objective review which proves your point aside from
>Muh experience with shitter SSDs
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>>45350141
Expensive.
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>>45350901
I don't believe the links in this thread saying SSDs are better, and I wouldn't believe any articles saying they aren't better either. Why should I believe these random fucks instead of figuring things out on my own? I hope you don't believe my argument either.
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>>45350810
Not my problem it was cheaper than everything else at the time I bought it.

On another note is this a 830 Pro? Came with my ex-lease HP laptop and I can't find much about it on the internet from the serial number.
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Crucial is the consumer brand belonging to Micron semiconductor.
Micron and Intel are partners in IMFT
IMFT is the most prolific manufacturer of flash rom modules, and the flash chips in crucial SSD are the same as Intel puts in their SSD products. The only real difference between crucial/micron ssds and intel ones are the controller and software (though that can be an important distinction)

At any rate, how much you can write to it depends on how full the drive is. The drives use unallocated space for wear levelling, and how effective this is depends on how much free space is left to work with.
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Why is my SSD slowing filling up for no reason?
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>>45351346
Have you tried deleting system32?
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>>45351357
xDDDDDD
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Have SSD lifespans become longer or shorter over the years?


As I understand it, the smaller the cells the less write cycles they can endure.
So all other things being equal modern high capacity SSD's don't have as many write cycles as older SSD's, right?

But has other technology like backup capacity and better drivers progressed enough to compensate?
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>bought 256GB Crucial MX100
>slower than my 840 EVO 120GB

Disappointed.
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I still got a 1st gen 60gb Vertex that runs fine and hasn't degraded much at all. Bought it not long after it came out and I didn't go particularly easy on it.

Don't fucking worry about it. Some drives do kick up a fuss though if you're unlucky enough to get a dodgy one.
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>>45351491
>Crucial
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>>45351538
One in a trillion case.
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>>45351564
>You
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>>45351571
Sure
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>>45351491
disappointed?
A 256GB MX100 costs me just as much as a 840 EVO 120GB
I'd rather have twice the storage for the same price on a still fast level
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>>45351586
I was of the idea that bigger sized drivers are faster, but it is apparently not the case. I could post the benchmarks I've done on both drives if anyone is interested, the difference is indeed negligible but I expected the Crucial to "win" because of it's capacity.
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>>45351599
>oh, twice the space for the same price, it must be faster!

what. you learned nothing in your life so far?
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Ok guys, new here but I develop these devices as my career and i can tell you what you need to know. The most reliable way to tell is to read reviews on what NAND chips your SSD is actually using. The P/E (write/erase) cycle of each NAND chip can go anywhere between 300 to 3000 to 4000 or higher cycles. that means you can write and erase that many times for the drive. A thing with SSD is that writing and erasing can only be done in particular sizes. example, you can't write 10MB of data and when you don't need it just delete the 10MB of data. You usually have to wait til the surrounding 90MB of data is junk, then you can delete all 100MB data together. But if your junk data is spread out through the drive then you have to do this thing call garbage collection. This 'compacts' your data in the drive by rewriting data in the drive together. This means your one 10MB write turns into a 20MB write. This is called write amplification. This is bad. This is the inherent physical design of the SSD.

To try to mitigate this problem, we do something called over provision, which is to say that each SSD actually has more than the stated storage space, the extra space is used as reserved space and also space to compact data into when you've put too much data into the drive.

As you randomly write to the drive, random data becomes junk and when a certain section of the drive becomes junk it gets officially erased and becomes writable again.

The trick is to not fill the drive up so that sections of the drive naturally gets all junked up and erased without moving any data. This means that the less SSD space you use the less chance you need to move data.

TL;DR: use only half the drive space to maximize drive life and speed. (if 128GB, then only use up to 64GB)
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>>45351694
Post ID tag or GTFO
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>>45351694
>use only half the drive space to maximize drive life and speed
Now you know why SSDs are scams!
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>>45351694
Would like it if there's some research paper that you could link here...
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>>45351626
I did my research and it said that in various sites, why are you such a cunt.
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>>45351694
Or you know, just use them normally and stop worrying like some placebo influenced faggot who cannot sleep because his fucking SSD write cycles might be running out
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>>45350140
>>45350074
>All these slowpokes crucial mx ssd's.
>mfw the only thing samshit can do properly is hard drives and SSD's.
I can't even contain the keks.
Oh and before the whole argument
>MX is cheaper and more storage
Unlike you shitty consumer scum i get these at 75€ a pop.
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>>45351806
>RAPID on

I can cheat too you know, faggot weeaboo
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16 tb write lol, i've been using this intel drive as scratch disk for my adobe application because i'm not paying fuking 300 + bucks for more than 32 gb of ram.
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>>45351769
enjoy replacing them lmao
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>>45351694
Same guy. I don't know what the POST ID tag means (new sorry)

>>45351716
It MIGHT seem like a scam but even if you dont follow my advice and use the whole drive. Most drives are designed to be used that way and will still function. It would just not be as fast as if the drive was empty.

And even then, SSD drives are at least 10x faster than HDDs.

>>45351746
There are SOME research paper in this area, but most companies don't write about it because it's so proprietary. you can look up power point slides or whatever regarding NAND overprovision. They are pretty technical tho.

>>45351769
you're right. you don't really need to worry about wearing out the drive. you will replace it WAY before it wears out for many other reasons.
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>>45351820
I forgot that was on
>But since it requires rebooting i'm not redoing it.
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>>45351806
>1366x768
AHAHAHAH
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>>45351841
Funniest part is, my RAPID mode enabled 120GB drive is faster than your higher capacity one, at least in benchmarks. Not much to boast about now huh faggot nigger, your SSD a shit
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>>45351839
>POST ID tag
Means post proof of employment, proof that you're really working on these things.
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What the fuck is rapid mode, and why didn't my samsung ssd have it?
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>>45351910
>Hello I want to buy an SSD with rapid mode please
>Is this SSD with rapid mode? I heard rapid mode is good
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Will there be a time when storage would last as long as there's no external disturbance? Those stone sculptures are still here for a long while
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>>45351910
Are you using magician?
>Also does your actual ssd support it?
Also the only thing that it does is use RAM to cache stuff so meh
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Many.
The problem is usually the controller. The memory is extremely hardy. It's very difficult to get an SSD's memory to reach its write cycle limit before the other parts die first.
Like an engine in a car, it will get replaced less often than the tires. And sometimes you'll get a puncture.
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>>45351959
>tfw you will never have an archival drive that physically etches your data into platinum discs
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