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http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/files/7-Zip/9.34/

IT'S HAPPENING
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can it open winrar 5 "scene release" archives yet?
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>>45337039

Is that a stable release or alpha?
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>>45337088
>scene releases

Are they STILL multiparting shit?

What a bunch of pathetic fuckwits, this isn't 1992 anymore,
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>>45337039
>7zip

fucking winfags.

can't you winfags use proper archival tools?
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>>45337039
> anon don't send us .rar files
> I know we are working in a tech company
> some people can not open .rar files though
> it's fine to use hacker stuff if you like but
> you have to think of the non technological people
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>>45337101
yep, because they are fucking retards
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>>45337114
those people seem pretty cool.

.rar is pretty shit.
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>>45337101
> fuckyou.rar.zip.1
> fuckyou.rar.zip.2
> ...

Do you feel frustrated?
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>>45337039
What did they add/fix? I can't find the change log anywhere..
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>>45337101
Learn to usenet, faggot. You consume third tier content.
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>>45337114
the worst kind of person
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>>45337206
I might as well use fucking IRC...

The scene is old and dead.
Long Live P2P.
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>>45337225
What's wrong with IRC?
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>>45337225
Why are autists so obsessive?
Warez by any means necessary, faggot.
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>>45337262
>Transferring files over IRC

Sure, chatting with it is fine, but fuck XDCC.
Also fuck USENET.
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>>45337286
I use XDCC for most of my Terebi Manga.
It's more practical than torrents.
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>>45337286
>he cant set up XDCC

what
a
pleb

>!find [something you want]
>wait for results
>xdcc send [bot] [number]
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>>45337206
>Usenet not a honeypot
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>>45337206
>>45337339
>they dislike something
>they must not know how to use it
Guys...
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>>45337218
the worst kind of person who doesn't want to run nonfree software to unpack your shitty proprietary archive that is no much better or worse than 7zip or tar.xz?

you're the worst kind of person, fuck yourself.
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whats the recommended zip program for winders
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>>45337366
whats there not to like?
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>>45337380
>compressed tarballs
They are worse than .rars. You need to uncompress your tarball for every operation, you know.
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>>45337397
7-Zip
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Still waiting for an archiver that lets me specify character encoding for filenames inside zip archives.
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>7zip doesn't automatically update
life is suffering for windows users
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>>45337398
>usenet
pay2piate
>xdcc
takes considerably longer than just opening a .torrent file.
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>>45337450
>specify character encoding
The 80s called, Anon, they want their concept of multiple character encodings back.
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>>45337426
you clearly don't know shit about tarballs then.
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>>45337088
Scene doesn't use rar5, and they never use compression - only 'archive mode'.
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>>45337474
Can I send them files I want extracted?
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>>45337482
Whole .tar is placed into one gzip stream. Each file inside tar is prepended by its metadata. To get the name of last file inside tgz, you need to decompress almost all of it.
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>>45337460
>takes considerably longer than just opening a .torrent file.
A few seconds more is not considerable.
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>>45337489
Oh, I thought you were making zips with odd character encodings, not extracting them. My condolences.
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>>45337530
I _do_ know how to use XDCC so your lies won't get you anywhere.
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>>45337088
dumbass question, but what's a scene release? i cannot find an actual answer to this question.
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>>45337450
There is only one encoding: UTF-8.
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>>45337564
maybe in your imaginary world
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>>45337547
How is it a lie? If you know where to look you can get a paclist and send out a request in a few seconds. And you can immediately start watching a video file unlike with torrents.
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>>45337339
what servers and chans have bots like this?
literally never heard of this until now.
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>>45337579
What other encoding do you need, and why?
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>>45337584
>If you know where to look
And you don't. You have to look for sources. You have to remember/keep database of sources. With torrents there is one stop for searching everything.
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>>45337588
It's 2014 and you can't google?
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>>45337599
I need Shift-JIS encoding in order to decode text encoded using the Shift-JIS encoding. Hope this helps.
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>>45337606
>With torrents there is one stop for searching everything.
That's plain wrong.
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>>45337629
Works for me though.
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>>45337599
I imagine they want to use their chink letters in the filenames for their chinktoons
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>2014
>proprietary winrar
>not free 7z

kill yourselves
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>>45337101
>splitting stuff banned on my main torrent tracker
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>>45337643
Fuck off autist
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Good bait m8
got me a trout
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>>45337656
using winrar because muh scenerules, now thats autist
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>>45337642
That doesn't even come close to explanation why we need obscure encodings: we can do what you described with utf8 just fine.
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>>45337643
no offense, but 7zip has unrar, so it's kind of nonfree in that regard.
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>>45337680
libunrar is free, but afaik is doesnt work on winrar 3 and up. and it can only unrar.
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>>45337039
Why won't the command line version of 7zip let me decompress rar files?
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>>45337680
Why are people respecting that restriction? Just say you did not use winrar source code to write winrar unarchiver.
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>>45337620
yes
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>>45337561
A community of groups that release stuff like movies.
They got a bunch of outdated rules for example each release must be in ~50MB rar archives.
Ever downloaded something and it's a ton of archives you have to unrar? Probably a scene release.

Their anime guidelines are absolutely atrocious.
http://scenerules.irc.gs/t.html?id=2009_X264-ANIME.nfo
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>>45337101
then don't download it, scumbag
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>>45337708
because it doesn't have unrar dipshit.

install unrar or be like me and refuse to dl .rar garbage.
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>>45337734
>http://scenerules.irc.gs/t.html?id=2009_X264-ANIME.nfo
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>not using 9.35alpha
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>>45337734
>signed by:
>3 groups

kek
gotta love standards
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>>45337734
thanks for the serious reply
i was wondering why i keep coming across those. no wonder no-rars got so popular. only upside is for downloading from shit-tier connections over webui rather than ftp from seedbox.
>50 mb, no more than 99 rars
>degrade quality to fit into 4950 MB, aka <5 GB and no compressed rars
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>muh freddomn shit is better than your pirated non free shit
stay pleb
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>>45337039
Holy shit.
Just noticed last update for 7zip was 4 years ago.

I been using 7zip for everything, and I didnt notice the lack of updates.
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>>45337872
compressing already compressed data is kind of retarded, but the multifile rar shit needs to stop.
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>>45337880
I'm using same version of windows 7 for almost 4 years. Why do people think they need updates at all? I'd understand for publicly available services, to fix remote vulnerabilities. But for home computers... As long as it works the way you want to, don't update.
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>>45337872
The final file size must also be a multiple of 1120 for some reason. Not on their anime releases but on their movie releases.

Pretty sure they were really slow with allowing H.264 as well. They were worried about support for old DVD players and such.
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>>45337953
the video and audio are already compressed, but the subtitles can actually be compressed further, so you can actually see some slight size benefits from making a rar from them.
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>>45337088
7zip could always open rars, it just couldn't make rars.

Winrar seemed a lot faster than 7zip last i checked, hopefully 7zip made up some ground.
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>>45337973
Because of other improvements? New features, security fixes (you can get attacked even if you're not running a server), better use of new hardware (taking advantage of newer instruction sets and such).

There are plenty of reasons to update your software.
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>>45338022
New features I agree with. The rest - useless in practice.
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>>45337979
why...
i mean, it's pirated, why bother re-burning to DVD? just dump the contents of the disk into an ISO or something...
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>>45338050
You think security fixes are useless in practice? Really?
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>>45338018
no it can't

7zip packages unrar to unpack rars

jesus fucking christ.
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>>45338059
Yes. I'm using SP1 Windows 7 from 2011 without a single update installed. Behind a NAT. Not touching IE. Tell me how I can be punished for not updating.
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>>45337989
See
>>45337486
On top of that, subtitles takes up next to no space.
My subtitles for Guardians of the Galaxy takes up 98KB.

>>45338050
So performance improvements are useless in practice?
You think lower risk of exploits on your computer being used is useless in practice?
Are you for real?
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>>45338077
Any piece of malware? Any malicious software ever? Are you being serious?
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>>45338065
>7zip packages unrar to unpack rars
If you think your picture proved what you are said, you are sorely mistaken.
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>>45338065
And is this not included in the functionality of 7-Zip?
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>>45337878
>using plebrar instead of free 7z
>rarring FUCKING MOVIES
>SPLITTING THE ARCHIVE in floppy sized chucks
>2014

holy hell what a bunch of tards
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>>45338077
Browser exploits are found all the time. A malicious website (even just using XSS) can put you at risk of being infected.
How about your HTTP stream being easily decryptable?
There are plenty of instances where you can be put at risk if you run software with known vulnerabilities.

Are you retarded?
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>>45337088
>scene
>let's put highly compressed audio / video files into compressed archives
>this makes the files <1% smaller
>let's also use a shitty proprietary format not natively supported by anything
>let's split that archive into 24823 files, in case someone wants to dl them with an acoustic coupler

god damn it scene, get your shit together, it's not the 90s anymore
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>>45338099
>>45338099
You don't know how it works.
That's why you think it matters if Windows is updated or not for malware to work.
It does not.

Please, if you're going to respond, specify something in particular that would fuck my system up, not "EVERYTHING, DUDE".

>>45338132
Updating windows 7 would fix those browser exploits..?
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>>45338142
http://www.cvedetails.com/product/17153/Microsoft-Windows-7.html?vendor_id=26

If you're going to be smug, at least be right.

These CVEs get fixed in security patches. You don't have these patches, therefore you can be exploited. If you think you can't because you don't use IE, well there isn't much helping you.
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>>45337734
I am become autism, sperger of animu
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>>45338142
Why do you think you're invulnerable to malware? Please give technical reasons.
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>>45338167
I asked for one. One. Pick one, post it, and I'll explain how it can't be used to harm me.

How difficult can it be to follow simple instruction?
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Are there any compression algorithms more efficient then what ever the fuck .rar is using? We live in 2014, you'd think there were something new and improved by now. Even an improvement of 10-20% would be nice.
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>>45337708
Yes, but use The Unarchiver (unar)
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>>45338191
I don't think I am. I think Windows updates don't make me less vulnerable. Hope this helps.

Do you think Windows updates make you less vulnerable? Why? Please give technical reasons.
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>>45338142
So you were specifically talking about Windows, not just software updates in general?
What about programs that rely on Windows functions which might be vulnerable?
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>>45338209
Because the updates fix vulns in software I use? What are you arguing about here?
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>>45337734
>must be split rar archive
is there any reason for this shit at all?
I mean, yes, back in the day it was helpful, when download speeds were at 30kbps, you paid 10cent/min and most servers didn't support resuming downloads
and even then, there was always one single fucking file that was corrupted / deleted, making the entire, several day download useless

why still insist on that nonsense nowadays? WHY?
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>>45338197
CVE-2014-0301 or don't you look at pictures on your computer?
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>>45338198
LZMA2
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>>45337734
Check out their BD-R rules.
http://scenerules.irc.gs/n.html?id=2010_BDr.nfo
> G1) Release size must be between 23365 MB and 23866 MB unless source is BD25.
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>>45338248
Like nothing is linked to qedit.dll. No.
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>>45338198
xz is pretty good
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>>45338197
>post one thing and ill try and justify how im perfect and how all the exploits out there somehow dont affect me. im not stupid, im more intelligent than u cuz i dont use malicious software!!11!!!!
that's how retarded you sound right now.
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why even bother if winrar is infinitely better? huh?
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>>45338198
There have been updates to rar. The file extention is the same but the actual compression algorithm is different. That's why 7zip can't open some archives. Because they use the new rar5 compression algorithm.
There are a bunch of other algorithms as well which probably outperforms rar in some situations, but they are not as widely used.

Also, asking for 10-20% improvement on compression is a lot. I mean, try to compress:
aaaaaaaaaa
more efficiently than a[9] for example. Pretty hard to do.


>>45338246
Because it looks cool.
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>>45338291
>winrar
enjoy your botnet
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>>45338305
shitpost more loser
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>>45338209
>I think Windows updates don't make me less vulnerable
Why?

You haven't provided any good reasons for thinking like this?
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>>45338289
oh no anon thinks i'm retarded

>>45338323
Because Windows updates fix stuff related to Windows internals. In practice functionality exported to third party programs is already good enough that it doesn't need fixes.
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>>45338343
>Because Windows updates fix stuff related to Windows internals

Right. Which have security problems. Why wouldn't you fix them? Are you that much of a domain expert that you can guarantee none of them (now or in the future) will affect you?
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>>45338281
its terrible.

its just LZMA. 7z uses a bunch of algos and picks whichever compresses best (taking into account speed). So a single .7z may require any of the set of 7z algos, which is handled transparently. In the retarded spirit of doing one thing well, xz does only LZMA, so it takes way too much time and memory on many types of files that arent all that well compressed by LZMA.
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>>45337650

>tfw BTN

Spoiled me on that shit. Fucking love it.
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>>45337112
>winfags

what? 7zip is supported on many operating systems.
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Good try NSA/FBI/MOSAD/KGB/Erdogan
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>?
The sourceforge.net website is temporarily in static offline mode.
Only a very limited set of project pages are available until the main website returns to service.
>
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>>45338209
I bet your logged in as administrator, arent you? http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2014-4114/ microsoft patched this one, but you dont have that patch, do you?
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>>45338601
Gee anon, that doesn't affect him either. He doesn't use anything that uses OLE. Don't be silly.
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>>45338209
and word pad? http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2013-3940/ easy to be totally unaffected if you had just downloaded and installed Windows6.1-KB2876331-x86.msu or Windows6.1-KB2876331-x64.msu. I sure hope your modem/router are impervious to attack, since windows likes to run files that happen to be in the right place at startup.....
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>>45338138
>scene
>compressed
thats a nukin m8
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>>45338619
how about SMB?
http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2010-0476/
my point being, connecting unpatched OS's to the interbits is about as retarded as.... well, I cant think of many things more retarded than that..... tattooing your SS/CC information on your forehead and visiting nigeria?
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>>45338710
I'm not that anon.
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>>45338729
I know.
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>>45338246
because it adds a second line of defense for parity/PAR2 data when downloading from somewhere like usenet. The process for repairing broken downloads goes like this:

First thing you do when the download completes is run a consistency check using parity data. Let's say one of the archives is corrupt.

You probably don't want to just redownload the file, because your usenet provider's server likely doesn't have the complete set of articles that composed the file, which caused the file to be corrupt when joining the articles.

So the PAR/consistency check you ran previously should tell you how many additional recovery blocks of parity data you need to download to fix your issue. Sometimes these parity blocks are also corrupt, so you just keep downloading them in increasing size until you have enough recovery blocks present to perform the repair.

If that fails, you identify the offending RARs and replace them from another source.

All of this is unnecessary with something like bittorrent that can request specific blocks of data and performs consistency checks at that level, and has the ability to re-request corrupt blocks.
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>>45338779
wut. Anyway, I agree completely with you.
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>>45337486
>>45338078
Some, but not all. 1337 skien grps are using WinRar5 because they are a bunch of faggots.
Pic related, it's from every TE release ever

>>45337088
And no, it cannot. Tested on "Ashampoo.Photo.Card.2.v2.0.2-TE".
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>>45338882
did you try this while using 7z?
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>>45338913
Trying to extract the archives? Yes.

Selected all .zip's -> Extract To... -> "OK"
Go to created folder -> Select all .001, .002 ... .021 files -> Extract to.. -> "OK" -> Get one, 199MB big file called "taspc22" and I'm unable to open it or something just like yesterday.
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>>45338949
im sorry anon, you need to be wearing the approprate eyegear for scene releases to open on 7z.... everybody knows this, right? At least you have your hacking-skimask on when you hack, right? RIGHT???
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>>45337101
The scene are so fucking retarded. Why do they even bother?
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7-zip is the shit. Good compression software needs more exposure. Remember wavpack? Shit is cash too.
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>>45338949
>Select all .001, .002 ... .021 files

Why?
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>>45338291
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
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>>45337088
>>45337101
>>45337119
>>45339269
If you had any idea how the scene works you'd understand why they do it. How are 10 people going to race a 8GB mkv? Without the files being split 1 person is going to send the mkv and racing will grind to a halt while you wait for one person to send 8GB rather than 5 people sending 96MB rars. If the 8GB file is incomplete on the persons source site they are going to send 7.99GB over and over again wasting bandwidth. The list goes on. Before you moan try and figure out why something is done the way it is retard.
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>>45338816
>file corruption
that's the price you pay for using retarded stuff like usenet.
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>>45338246
Think of it this way. You're downloading an 8gb+ file, and the power goes out, or you crash, or your router fucks up, whatever. Your download is now corrupt. Would you rather use a checksum and figure out exactly which .r** file got corrupted, and redownload just that, or would you rather start an 8gb iso file from the start? It's a clear choice for me.
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>>45339794
racing?
Torrents automatically split files into chunks between 512 bytes and 4 MB with a hash tree. Overhead is minimized, corruption is minimized and throughput is maximized.
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>>45339831
on the other hand, you get 100% bandwidth saturation and never need to worry about torrent health
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>>45337088
>thread derailed at first post
Nice job.
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>all the people bitching about scene releases

I bet you faggots watch YIFY rips too
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>>45340236
lel sure bud
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>>45340236
of course. we're not all autists. i've got movies to watch!
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>>45338882

>the update is free

Free as in freedom? I don't think so.
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>>45340339
How much do you have to compress a movie so it stops being a movie (watchable, enjoyable, etc.)?
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>>45340361
that's a good question. seeing as I thoroughly enjoyed vhs back in the day, i guess YIFY is a lot more than required.
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>>45340361
That's a pretty tough question to answer quantitatively.
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>>45340394
Give me a ratio, now.
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>>45340419
no
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>>45340419
uhh uhh uh hmm 1/16th
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>>45337039
Man this alphas been around for ages now. Doesn't look like a stable versions been released yet...
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>7z934-src.7z
>you need 7zip to open the 7zip source

oh lawd
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>>45340361

You don't have to compress it, you just have to have Michael Bay direct it
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Is there a GUI version for GNU/Linux already?
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