>>45242863 By using the Lightning port, the DAC will move to the headphones. This means that better DACs can be used. The Apple spec also calls for a minimum quality of DAC so makers dont just put crap chink shit in.
Anyone that doesn't see this as yet another attempt to secure profits at the expense of the end user's experience is a deluded fanboy that would probably accept an offer to eat actual shit as long as it came from a patent filed by Apple inc.
>>45242953 No, Apple launched it. Apple had an exclusivity deal with Intel, nobody could use it for 1 year I think, maybe more.
Apple almost never builds something from scratch. They just have an uncanny ability to spot nice emerging technologies in advance, and then use their vast pile of cash to propel them to mass adoption.
(Of course they do it for their own benefit, since if the technology you've invested in becomes mainstream, you're at a vantage point. Also, they just want better user experience to sell their hardware and make profit.).
>>45242970 How many high-end docks have you seen (like the Geneva Model _whatever_, or the B&W Zeppelin, etc.) without a 30pin connector, and a mini-usb or whatever proprietary Samsung/Nokia/etc. used?
>>45242879 >This means that better DACs can be used. The Apple spec also calls for a minimum quality of DAC so makers dont just put crap chink shit in. This makes zero sense if it's intended for iOS, as Apple is already the company determining what DAC their devices have.
>>45243023 in genreal most phone DACs are not of the highest quality, and in fact sometimes are pretty shitty. The iPhone has a passable DAC but it could be better. By allowing the headphone maker to select a DAC, they quality of the DAC could be increased if the user wanted a better one/better headphones. This would mean Apple is no longer determining the DAC, but BOSE, or Audio Technica etc.
>>45243244 It was. The reason why USB becaame more popular than Firewire was because it is much cheaper to manufacture compliant USB devices. Firewire was superior to USB but that came at a price that not too many manufacturers were willing to pay.
>>45242998 >Also, they just want better user experience to sell their hardware and make profit
What the actual fuck does that even mean? Using a proprietary connector somehow equates to a better user experience? You mean like when they changed the bottom port and all the tech you invested in no longer works with a newer product? That kind of better experience?
>>45243186 Using intel chip sets, PC makers pretty much got USB for free, just solder in ports.
>>45243244 For common plebs, not really. But if you did digital video, it was a necessity. USB can not handle the throughput required for tape capture. And yes, with the migration to solid state media has lessened the necessity for Firewire.
welcome to basic earphones costing $150 due to a fucked up concept which will never work, and the EU will beat the shit out of apple again, as they aren't happy with the lightening connector as it isn't a standard.
>>45243260 nah bruv visa, mastercard, and oyster popularized NFC as they are the ones putting it pretty much everyones hands, not just those with $800 to spend.
I wonder what iphones for euro export will look like. By 2017 all devices sold in European Union will have to be charged by standard usb chargers (currently microusb) and Apple is the only company falling behind
Fuck Apple, so bored of there consistent bullshit. Things like planned obsolescence is so blatantly obvious with them it becomes annoying. I still can't believe people continue to defend a company like this.
>>45243347 For Apple, hardware makes them money. Not ads, not subscriptions, not software.
Everything has to be fine tuned to sell hardware.
They absolutely need user experience to set them apart, because they're in the high-end market, not the commodity market. All they have is expensive hardware.
So, if a connector makes for a better user experience (and the lighting does, with it being 1. reversible and 2. much smaller), they won't hesitate to adopt it.
That's for today's Apple, that has the influence and money to force the industry to also adopt it.
Yesteryears Apple on the verge of bankruptcy couldn't have afforded that, if they launched something that was inconvenient for manufacturers, the latter would simply ignore it and the "new thing" would be deserted wasteland.
But now, manufacturers will do anything to be Apple compatible ™. If there's a comparative review of 2 products, and one is Apple-Compatible (be it lightning, thunderbolt, whatever) and the other not, it's dead in the water.
also people implying thunderbolt still isn't left with shitty overpriced options for it while ignoring usb3.0 when it was introducing thunderbolt shit for a year i had nothing i could use it with except a 1000$ monitor that i didn't want/need
>>45243469 That nub only appears on the extension cable for the keyboard, which came with the keyboard. The keyboard plug had the female end of that nub and could still be plugged into any other computer.
>>45243473 >But now, manufacturers will do anything to be Apple compatible ™. As clearly evident by the applepay fiasco. http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7069863/retailers-are-disabling-nfc-readers-to-shut-out-apple-payq
>>45243606 but hopefully apple won't take that route as jony ive will cry about someone not using apple products, so there might be a micro-USB iphone which would make life easier, as fuck the proprietary shite.
>>45243244 It was - just not in the home market - It was faster than USB 1 at the time and on par with the nonexistant USB 2 (for FW1\FW400). Due to the way Firewire works it was better for Streaming and shit so it worked well in professional markets, Very common in Video, common enough in audio
to be honest firewire was fairly popular on business grade laptops up until 2010, as i've got a shit ton of latitudes and thinkpads all with firewire, it's much the same for BNC, SDI, and SCSI, just not a consumer level interface.
Actually, all connectors are proprietary, but manufacturers can still use them, most times without licensing fees.
So, in a modern sense, proprietary would mean "locked down, so nobody else is allowed to use it". Which isn't the case, even for very Apple specific connectors, like lightning (actually, many cable/dock/speaker manufacturers already use it).
>>45243593 And when did my post even mention Samsung? Why are you so defensive to the point where you don't talk about the actual subject. And I'm not sure you know what planned obsolescence is. Do you think soldering RAM down so that you can't upgrade it is a respectable thing to do? Just think about that for a moment. I know you are possibly just an Apple fan-boy however, and will probably just result to: > poor faggots can't afford a new macbook every few years lel but I'm sure you would understand that would be a stupid thing to think right?
>>45242998 > nice emerging technologies that's complete bullcrap. Thunderbolt is absolutely useless and addons are extremely expensive, partly because of Intel's licensing shit and partly because let's screw the Mac users, they'll bend over.
Google has explained that Nexus devices only offer fixed storage as the company wants to avoid "techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing".
Upon answering questions about the Nexus lineup on Google+, Google's director of user services on Android, Matias Duarte, said offering consumers expandable memory through SD cards was apparently too confusing.
"Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it's just confusing for users," he said. "If you're saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt every time? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It's just too complicated."
Instead of implementing SD card support, Nexus devices offers a fixed amount of space that "apps just seamlessly… use", with users not having to "worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing".
>>45243855 >Do you think soldering RAM down so that you can't upgrade it is a respectable thing to do? For me, know. For the majority, yes.
They figured that the percentage of people upgrading their RAM was quite small (~10% I guess), so they thought the benefits of soldering the ram (cheaper price -reminder that MacBooks are quite cheaper than they used to be- space savings -aka thinner laptop and/or more space for battery- etc.) were more important.
The soldered RAMs are just a single step in that direction. Non-removable battery, custom motherboard, etc., all are steps to that direction.
And well intended, for the majority, I might say, even though personally I'm a tinkerer.
>>45243880 >Thunderbolt is absolutely useless Are you kidding? It's extremely versatile. >Can do 4k out via display port >Can do DVI, HDMI, VGA out >Can do audio out >Can do USB and Firewire >Can work as external PCIe >Can do gigabit ethernet
With the exception of 4k out and PCIe, you can do all of those things at once on one thunderbolt port all at full speed. And yes, there exist products that do that. Here's the first one I found on google. Anyone who says thunderbolt is useless doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
>>45244036 Come back when you take apples dick out of your mouth. You are fucking wrong. No matter what mental gymnastic you are you using to lie to yourself, you are wrong. Less people are using their products. Fucking period. I can't explain it to you any easier if you are just going to ignore factual information.
>They figured that the percentage of people upgrading their RAM was quite small (~10% I guess), so they thought the benefits of soldering the ram (cheaper price -reminder that MacBooks are quite cheaper than they used to be- space savings -aka thinner laptop and/or more space for battery- etc.) were more important.
None of that happened with the new mac mini.
It probably cost them more to change it because production lines were already in place. It is certainly not cheaper. And the case is identical (except for a lack of a grate over an exhaust fan) and has had no reduction in size.
>>45244147 >that only took how many years after release? I don't know and why would I care? I can get the products right now if I wanted.
>and where is it in stores? http://www.amazon.com/Display-Universal-Docking-Ethernet-included/dp/B00C631EYU/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1416446276&sr=1-9&keywords=thunderbolt+dock If you don't care about USB ports and other things and just want extra displays http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-DisplayPort-Thunderbolt-Compatible/dp/B00ESM3JKY/ref=sr_1_17?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1416446276&sr=1-17&keywords=thunderbolt+dock
Hell you can even get an 8 bay SAS rack that works through tunderbolt. http://www.netstor .com .tw/_03/03_02.php?MTE0
>2015 >Apple introduce lightning headphones >Every owners of iPhone 7 won't be able to use their favorite headphone >either they'll use shitty provided headphones, buy an expensive apple made adaptater or expensive lightning headphones >lot of people will resell their iPhone 6 at gold price because it has a built in audio jack
>2016 >iPhone 8 come out, still with lightning headphone >people finally adopt it in mass, spending unnecessary amount of money in headphone adaptator or lightning headphones
>2017 >eu law start, apple must provide built in micro usb (this suppose the law say the micro usb must be built in, no adapter allowed) >iPhone 9 come with micro usb >people with lightning headphones can't use them anymore >they have to pay for new micro usb headphones
Meanwhile andoird/windows/blackberry/whateveryouwant users won't have any problem, still using their favorite headphones.
Apple will loose some customers with this shit, but sure they'll win tons of money.
Here's the cheapest thunderbolt dock http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Technology-Separately/dp/B00BQHD4B8/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1416447209&sr=1-6&keywords=thunderbolt
Most of the thunderbolt docks are more expensive, but if Intel starts pushing other brands to use thunderbolt you'll see prices drop. Regardless of prices now, the fact you can do so much with thunderbolt makes it anything but useless. It's not as widespread as USB, but it's not meant to be a USB replacement, it's an expansion port that can do things USB could only dream of.
>>45242879 >DAC will move to the headphones. This means that better DACs can be used >can
No it doesn't, DAC quality will not increase if it is moved to the headphones. It's just going to make for chunkier headphones with more built in electronics. FUCK that. Plus, what about the amp?
If you want a DAC, buy an audio player with a good DAC, buy a portable DAC/amp combo, or buy a sound card. Your call. There is absolutely no reason to move away from the 3.5mm headphone standard when the whole purpose of a DAC is to make the output sound more like analog anyway.
CurrenC is almost 3 y.o., and most retailers were approached by MCX to sign for CurrenC this year.
So, if you want to look for stores dropping (actually, not accepting from the beginning) CurrenC for Apple Pay, check all the Apple Pay retailers, as they sure were approached by MCX first.
Lastly, Apple made the banks bend over, as it negotiated very good terms, like the lower "card present" fee (not available for other payment methods, unless you pay with a card that is physically present), as well as a cut (to Apple), from the banks and not the consumers.
The banks agreed, because they understand Apple's influence.
>>45242919 >so they can push what's good for the user, and the industry has the choice to follow or perish How often do they actually push what's good for the user though? I can't remember the last time they did that. Proprietary headphone jacks sure wouldn't be good for the user. Got any examples?
>>45242919 >>>45242814 (OP) >>Apple launched proprietary usb >>Apple launched proprietary thunderbolt >And all those were terrible, right? >If anything, Apple's massive economic power lets them do whatever they want, so they can force you to buy accessories from them and make even more money out of their customers, and the industry has the choice to follow or perish.
>apple releases only thunderbolt iphones in 2016 >so that people are able to listen to music and charge at the same time, apple releases a thunderbolt splitter >exact same as a 3.5mm splitter but thunderbolt ports >can now listen and charge for $29.99 more
>1 month later >some retard has tried charging his iphone twice as fast by plugging two charging cables into splitter >battery overheats, explodes >/g/ hears before mainstream media >starts making those fake "official" apple info pictures explaining how to charge phone twice as fast >isheep fall for it >mass explosions of iphones
>>45245247 Isn't that good though? Apple keeps wanting to have less connectors on the phone so that less space is taken up. And now you can use their Beats headphones which include a huge DAC in their even huger headphone ear boxes.
>>45245374 >Isn't that good though? Yeah, it'd be hilarious. Unlikely, though. Apple might sell overpriced consumer hardware, but they aren't dumb enough to release a phone that can't play music while it charges.
>>45245181 Good for the user: >usb >capacitive screens >firewire >no carrier bloat >multitouch trackpads >magnetic charger plug >backlit keyboards >SSDs (they pushed them like crazy with the Airs) >thunderbolt
Off the top of my head.
All these features were highly unusual (well, maybe with the exception of SSDs), or at best not mainstream, until Apple shilled them.
Some are still unmatched, like iPhone's no-carrier-bloat policy, even when buying in contract with carrier subsidy.
>>45245247 >"look guys, I don't know shit about basic electronics" In an oversimplification so it gets through your thick little skull, the battery "draws" power from the charger, the charger doesn't "push" power into the battery.
>>45245479 >usb Not just Apple. >capacitive screens While they did popularize them, they also popularized touch only devices which are a cancer. >firewire Never really caught on. >no carrier bloat No carrier bloat, yes. But they fill it with manufacturer bloat instead. >multitouch trackpads Kinda, yea. >magnetic charger plug Absolutely. Even now only Microsoft uses magnetic chargers. >backlit keyboards Not Apple. >SSDs (they pushed them like crazy with the Airs) Not Apple. They don't even offer them in most models. >thunderbolt Good to see them push this, but we are still unsure of where it will go.
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