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What will be my 1600th package?
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What will be my 1600th package?
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what happens when you dont update for a month and then you update.

is your computer unusable for a week or 2?
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>>43950590
Nothing really happens, I haven't updated since july and I still emerge new packages
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Literally gentoo
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>>43950590

I went 3 months without updating and it was fine

Gentoo officially supports updating systems outdated up to 12 months IIRC
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>>43950597
so what your saying is that it would take weeks to compile a new release of even half the packages on your system.

You dont think it's going to catch up? Like one day you're gonna emerge some package and it's going to pull in a new update for one of your packages, which in turn pulls a whole bunch of other update. Or is that not how it works?
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>>43950638
>so what your saying is that it would take weeks to compile a new release

Hours. Gentoo is rolling release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux
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>>43950647
>rolling release
Right, so multiple programs update every week. That adds up if you let it, and eventually (if your system has like 1600 packages, lol) you have like 400 updates that maybe there is one binary for.

Right?
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>>43950668

Yes but it would never take weeks to update every package, just a few hours

You would need to have literally millions of packages for an update to take weeks
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>>43950688
Except a kernel update alone takes like thirty min to an hour. With 1600 packages, you're at the very least guaranteed hour long updates EVERY WEEK.

You're a nolifer huh
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>>43950668
It would take a FX-9590 2 hours tops to emerge 1600 packages.
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>>43950710
absolutely bullshit. stay delusional idiot
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>>43950708
OP here. I haven't upgraded my kernel in a while, but the last time took it less than 10 minutes. I set emerge to upgrade while I'm asleep, so I'm not aware of how long it actually takes.
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>>43950708
Not OP, but I update while napping.
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>>43950708
lmfao you people still think gentoo is like 2002 shit. all yall retarded.
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>>43950724
He's right. "emerge -e system world" did actually take a little under 2 hours.
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>>43950708
Not even Ubuntu users watch their computers upgrade. Which must mean... you're a Windows user being passive aggressive about your Windows Update keeping you from shutting down your computer.

Lawl.
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>>43950708

What exactly would be wrong with hour long updates every week? (which isn't true anyway, it's more like 10 minutes)

You can still use your computer while it's updating you know?
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>>43950726
>>43950730
samefag
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Install fail2ban. I'm serious. It's marvelous.
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>>43950760
Sup.
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I've switched CPU

Is there any way to recompile every package to it's optimized for the new CPU?
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>>43950779
emerge -e @system @world
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>>43950779
emerge -e system world
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I'm considering switching to gentoo because emerge sounds so much sexier than pacman
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>>43950800
inb4 flood of autistic arch ricers
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Gentoo is pretty fun until you want to install some larger packages, on a 5Ghz 6-core with -j6 chromium takes over an hour and libreoffice over 2.

Need a random new app? On gentoo you have to build all of its deps, all their deps, all the build deps of all those and then finally the app you want. Example: I wanted pitivi for a single task and then to be thrown away after. Total time to being able to use it: 50 minutes. On any binary dist this would take less than 50 seconds.
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>>43950844
>>43950708
samefag
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>>43950577
What DE you using? is that cinnamon?
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>>43950863
https://www.enlightenment.org/
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>>43950873
Fuck dude i installed englightenment and added it to .xinitrc but then i rebooted and i cant use it, my monitor just flips to power save. Any idea why? im using arch
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>>43950844
New packages have only a few dependencies if you have a couple hundred installed, and this goes for any distro, not just Gentoo Linux. Just checking genlop -t, I can see the rest of your post is complete horseshit.
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>>43950892
Try doing enlightenment_start when you don't have any other window manager open, see what happens.
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>>43950905
Yeah i did originally to try it out and it worked fine, i then logged out added it to xinitrc and startx and it booted fine also, This only happened after rebooting my comp -_- thats why im like wtf lol
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>>43950920
I dunno, I've never used Arch. Try deleting ~/.e
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>>43950905
im getting an error message about it not start ecore_x? Anyway im looking on the forums etc so im sure ill find something, Dont wana hijak ur thread bru
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I updated gcc, kernel, libreoffice, firefox and a handful of other packages this morning. Took no longer than a couple of hours all up. In the mean time I was working on a project. I seriously don't understand the retards with shit hardware hating on Gentoo.

tl;dr If you hate Gentoo, ignore and block related threads
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>>43950896
I looked it up and genlop shows avergae times yes? can we see screenshot of your times for gcc, chromium and libreoffice if he is talking bullshit? I don't want to wait that long and I only have [email protected]
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>>43950933
That's definitely a dependency-related issue. Check your pacman
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Is it me, or is Arch users the ones who do nothing but stare at their computer screens as they upgrade?
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If Gentoo is so good why does nobody use it?
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Installing Gentoo, in webm form.

boot a linux livecd

partition and format drive

go into drive

download and extract tar.gz file

sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf etc
sudo mount -t proc none proc
sudo mount --rbind /dev dev
sudo mount --rbind /sys sys

sudo chroot .

emerge --sync

echo -e "MAKEOPTS=\"-j4\"\nEMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=\"--keep-going=y --autounmask-write=y --jobs=4\"" >> /etc/portage/make.conf

emerge genkernel gentoo-sources grub dhcpcd

echo "MAKEOPTS=\"-j4\"" >> /etc/genkernel.conf

genkernel all

grub2-install /dev/sda
grub2-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg

rc-update add dhcpcd default

passwd

exit

sudo reboot
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>>43950577
Thanks for the binhost and flac-chan bruh
emerge PPSSPP
>>43950892
Enlightenment is a piece of shit on arch, you may want to install gentoo
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>>43950940
or can anyone else please screenshot their genlop times for these packages?
I do not want to wastse so much time on these things or trolled to use it with fake info so please people of gentoo.
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>>43950986
May not be the fastest, because it's automated and the machine does other things 24/7, (and I play games on it on top of that.)
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>>43950986
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>>43950986
Not sure why this emerged twice, might've been simultaneous.
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>>43951019
ok thanks but i dont use firefox and am interested in times for chromium, gcc and libreoffice suite for computer with specs similar to 4 corees 3ghz and 8gb ram.

>>43951032
thanks what is your hardware?
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>>43951038
i dont have an ssd btw so do these larger packages heavily tax disk if i want to use web and watch video with mpv while these build?
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>>43951038
>>43951052
Your 8GB of RAM should be fine, just mount /var/tmp/portage/ as tmpfs. CPU is FX-8350
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>>43951067
hmm ok thanks so i guess mine would take a little longer than yours maybe i try gentoo at xmas break with not rush and screw up,.
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I'm the original person I think you were trying to ask. Chromium is horribad and takes a million years to compile anyway. Here's some times for you.
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>1600 packages
Enjoy your retarded fucking bloat.
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>>43950979
>>43950990
>>43951000
>>43951007
>>43951046
>>43951057
>>43951082
>>43951091
>>43951103
>>43951112
>>43951168
>>43951183
>>43951189

Thanks anon, I have installed gentoo on pretty much all my PC's at least once. I'll keep these to post to others (:
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>>43951212
You're just jealous the OP knows how to use more programs than you do.
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>>43950979
>installing gentoo for mad street cred
>still have to go through babbuntu for the most critical steps
:DDD
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>>43951294
Install Kubuntu, it's a good OS.
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>>43951294
not the person that you were referring to but I installed gentoo from the arch live .iso. The gentoo installation CD is just horribad
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>>43950944
Yeah mate i removed the enlightenment packages, and xorg. re installed and updated them both and its booting fine.
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>>43951313
Nice. It's a shame that Arch fucked it up though, but at least it werks.
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>>43951305
The Gentoo install CD is actually ok. It just suffers from being 2012, and I think Gentoo's internal build system is getting dated.
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>>43951322
yeah arch is great, fast, AUR has access to pretty well everything, Just keeping it stable haha. Thinking about running a type 1 hypervisor like vSphere, we got it for free at uni. Then modding arch heaps and just taking snapshots. Dunno if i can be fucked though, might make the move to gentoo in a few months do things stay stable with gentoo? Or do you often find yourself troubleshooting more than working
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>>43951103
>2 minute long webm
>1 stationary picture
>2 MiB
what
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>>43951393
that's emerge running in --quiet. Usually there is compiler messages all over your screen otherwise
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>>43951404
I think he was refering to the fact that the video compression wais failing there
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>>43951404
He's talking about VP8 being inferior to H264
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There you have it.

The GNU/Gentoo Linux desktop operating system, created by Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds and Adolf Hitler's dog at MIT in Bell Labs on 1969 in assembly and Lisp, installed by an IBM-compatible computer in its complete entirety, compiled manually from scratch by hand, within the timespan of one hour.
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>>43951498
Thankyou anon, you are a true sir and /g/entooman
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>>43950577
Wine
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>>43951561
>I am blind
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>>43951613
3.16 kernel
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>>43951676
upgrading kernel is for gaylords
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tfw installing firefox 32
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>>43951707
How long does it take?
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>>43951750
havent timed it, probably take about 45 minutes i reckon
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>>43951750
I'm
>>43951173

It didn't take long earlier today
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>>43951778
>>43951786
What about updating? Does it take so long too?
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Should I use the deblob kernel use flag?

How much stuff works without binary blobs?
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>>43951797
not really, unless its something big like firefox/libre office
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>>43950971
because funtoo is better
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>>43951825
Oh, thanks. Long compiling times were keeping me away from Gentoo, but if it's not that bad maybe I'll try it.
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>>43951843
When you first install it, you may have long compile times because of dependencies and stuff, but generally its not too bad
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>>43951843
Yeah, I have to agree with
>>43951825

I find that webkit-gtk, most web browers, libreoffice and maybe even gimp are the things that take the longest. Most of the time, it's only a few minutes of wait.

Oh, the compiling X will initially take a while but that's mostly a one-off
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>>43951707
anon on is this classified as "installing from source" im new to these build it yourself operating systems. But its much much more accurate and atleast i know what daemons are running on my computer and What/where information is being sent etc. Its really great
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>only want to compile some software
>want binhost
>look at use flags of binhost
>-kde -gnome
>install ubuntu
>roll own debs instead
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>>43951913
yes it is
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>>43951918
You can still install kde and gnome, non-kde and non-gnome programs won't have kde or gnome features.
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>>43951918
>roll own debs instead

We do that at work for all our installs (plus RPM's). It's so much easier and time efficient to roll the few of your own you actually need and have bins for all the deps and everything else.
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Are there any other benefits that come with installing gentoo besides rolling release and some knowledge of the unix system ?
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>>43951980
optimization
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>>43951980

USE flags
Being able to mix stable and unstable packages
No systemd
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>>43951980
Rock hard stability.

Reinstalling your OS will become a thing of the past. (I've had an install from 2008 still work)
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>>43951994
>>43951995

So is your system actually faster now ?

>>43952004

Interesting. Well I'm not that much into linux since I recently started using ubuntu but I can see myself comfortable with terminal. Will it be that hard to install it ? Also, can I practice in a vm first ?
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>>43952035
Well i havent run benchmarks and ive used gentoo for years so i cant tell. also speed isnt the only optimization, turning or USE flags can save you tons of disk space
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>>43952035
Use Linux for a while. Give it a year, because you actually want to use it.

If you want to try Gentoo, do it in a VM or a spare computer.

I recommend spare computer/laptop.
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>>43951707
What's the point of compiling from source? I get that it means your binary is actually from the source and can't have been hijacked, but you still have to trust the source. Since your package manager downloads and begins the compile for you, you really gain nothing.
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>>43952123

It allows you to configure the program's features with use flags and optimization for your specific CPU with cflags
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>>43952123
You gain optimisation retard, you dont have to install tons of useless things like blu-ray/cd etc support if you dont have a blu-ray drive, if you dont need certain features you dont have to compile them in, you can optimise them for your cpu and etc
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>>43952143
Is that hard to learn? Optimization sounds optimal.

How much of a gain do you see?
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>>43952123
Gentoo doesn't actually require the user to compile from source, its package manager does it automatically, and works like any other in the end. It's a convenience.
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>>43952095

Well I was using xubuntu for a month because I couldn't use my home pc as I was abroad and the only pc I had there was suitable for xubuntu since it was kinda low end and I found out that it suits me well for my development habits as I code in c,c++ using SDL for game programming etc. Also I don't have a second computer apart from my desktop so I will stick to the vm approach.
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>>43952172
But that makes it nothing but a waste of time and processing power.
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>>43952123
It's a different way of distro developers maintaining an OS, and happens to be the only truly solid rolling release distro. Packages are simply text files, and things can be changed around more easily, making Gentoo solid and easy to work with. Also, Gentoo is the only distro that allows you to specify the version of the program you want to install.
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>>43952187
>using your cpu is a waste of processing power

And it doesnt even take long retard
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>>43952171

>is that hard to learn

No, you just add "-march=native" to the CFLAGS entry in /etc/portage/make.conf

>How much of a gain do you see?

Depends on the CPU, old CPU's wont see much improvement but new ones will see some
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>>43952187
Maybe, but I use Gentoo because it's a great operating system.
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If you want a solid, stable distro, accept no substitute.
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>>43952210
>45 minutes to install firefox
>doesn't even take long
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>>43952282
most programs take a few seconds, firefox is an exception
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>>43952065
>turning or USE flags can save you tons of disk space

Not really, you have to have at least one whole unpacked kernel source (mine is currently 849.3MiB iirc) plus the source tarball to every installed program. Also, since there are no package splits (foo-{debug,dev}) installed programs are much bigger. The portage tree unpacked is also large and thousands upon thousands of small files which can (although not so much these days) cause you to run out of left inodes.
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>>43952171
>How much of a gain do you see?

None, because ny time saved would probably take you 3000 years just to get back the time for a single compilation of gcc.
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>>43952296
>most programs take a few seconds, firefox is an exception

Not really, ocne you get in to fast-cpu land you are held back by single-threaded configure scripts that often take more time to configure than actually do any building and linking.
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>>43952333
Even those take a few seconds.
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>>43952296
Even simple programs take more than a few seconds - usually something close to half a minute. Firefox takes more than an hour. And so do many other programs

Simple programs:
     Thu Aug 21 11:44:50 2014 >>> kde-base/konsole-4.14.0
merge time: 48 seconds.

Mon Sep 1 19:16:59 2014 >>> net-misc/youtube-dl-2014.08.28
merge time: 15 seconds.

Sun Aug 10 01:16:40 2014 >>> app-emulation/playonlinux-4.2.4
merge time: 21 seconds.

Mon Aug 25 16:08:58 2014 >>> app-text/calibre-1.48
merge time: 1 minute and 56 seconds.


Big programs:
     Thu Aug 28 09:28:45 2014 >>> www-client/firefox-31.0
merge time: 1 hour, 18 minutes and 36 seconds.

Thu Aug 28 00:40:45 2014 >>> net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.4.4
merge time: 1 hour, 26 minutes and 46 seconds.

Thu Jul 17 18:46:56 2014 >>> app-office/libreoffice-4.2.5.2
merge time: 4 hours, 35 minutes and 49 seconds.

Thu Aug 28 08:10:09 2014 >>> app-office/calligra-2.8.5
merge time: 35 minutes and 20 seconds.


Also with many packages it's literally impossible to use the computer while emerging because it's laggy as hell.
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>>43952497
Some do, some dont.
The point is I can download and install a package on centos faster than my gentoo box can configure it.

GNU autotools/autoconf is not time efficient.
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Also these are specs of the machine where I got these >>43952576 results:

Intel Core i7-3517U CPU @ 1.9GHz
3849MB RAM
Also the only storage I have here is 256GB SSD

So it's a laptop but I think it's pretty powerful. And yet compile times are shit.
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>>43952576
u must have a shit cpu lmao
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>>43950710
bro, do you even compile webkit ?
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>>43952576
It's not if you set PORTAGE_NICENESS=15 in make.conf
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>>43952576
Then don't use gentoo. It's obviously not an operating system for you.
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>>43952660
It is even with this
# ack -i nice /etc/portage/make.conf
PORTAGE_NICENESS=20
PORTAGE_IONICE_COMMAND="ionice -c 3 -p \${PID}"

>>43952663
Even though emerge times are shit, gentoo is bretty good and I have configured it how I like and don't want to do all that on another distro.
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>>43952594
CentOS is not Gentoo.
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>>43952679
you do realise that niceness works the other way right?
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>>43952576
>Also with many packages it's literally impossible to use the computer while emerging because it's laggy as hell.

That's why I use -j(cores - 1) and not -j(cores + 1)
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>>43952703
The more niceness - the less priority that process gets. Something with niceness 20 should be among the least prioritisable processes.
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>>43952719
>Gahnoo/Leenucks in charge of multitasking
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>>43952758
What? I install while I'm asleep.
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>>43952758
It's not going to have any effect on compile times if you have a multithreaded CPU. That's exactly what it's designed for.
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>>43952775
You what? If you have a 4-core processor with hyperthreading -j9 will probably make compiling faster than -j7
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>>43952767
>start emerge before going to sleep
>wake up and read what it says
>blah blah emerge failed please run perl-updater haskell-updater
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>>43952801
>not using perl-cleaner
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>>43952681
So? The point is about fast hardware and single threaded configure scripts taking considerable time. I suggest you keep your nose out of topics you do no understand.
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>>43952801
you should always use --keep-going. it makes sure you're only left with the few packages that fail. it can (and often does) mean the difference between 2 and 200 packages left the next day.
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>>43952801
What? None of those are real errors.
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>>43952843
Ok. Welcome to the Gentoo thread!
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>>43952844
I use it. Even with it I have to leave a lot of haskell/perl packages for the next time. Also sometimes emerging webkit-gtk fails for a reason I don't know and it only works after a reboot.
>>43952861
Yeah, they are real.
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>>43952576
>AMD CPUs
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>>43952882
>intel in charge of shilling
>>43952606
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>>43952881
>I use it. Even with it I have to leave a lot of haskell/perl packages for the next time
yeah, I agree that it should probably be handled automatically, but honestly it's just a single command and a few minutes of it working in the background while you do something else. not exactly a huge issue
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>>43952948
>a few minutes
Much more for me.
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>>43952973
I think you should update more often and not leave huge batches.
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>>43953007
The thing is haskell maintainers seem to update all or most of haskell packages in a single day.
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>>43950577
9816MB used? WTF are you running?
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>>43953021
yeah, I know. I actually have 4 gentoo computers that all use XMonad (which obviously means haskell). haskell has always been problematic for me on gentoo, and it used to be worse than it is now since haskell-updater usually does its job most of the time.
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>>43953095
Same, except I've been using git-annex. Good thing I don't anymore. It sucked anyway.
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