>>43859166 Software development is the art of developing software. Software engineering is the application of engineering principles to software development. I don't consider people who have studied software engineering to be an engineer in the natural science sense of engineering.
>>43859710 that depends. there are a billion law schools, but no one takes them seriously. there are a handful that are actually "meaningful", like harvard, Yale, stanford, etc. and those are insanely expensive.
it's like pharmacy techs. you can go to a bunch of cheap universities and get a pharmacy tech degree, but you wont get hired at a big company unless you go to MSU/UCS/princeton/etc
>>43858939 >Uni is hard. Then you're not going to keep a job with a CS degree, you'll be some retard that gets fired from every position you manage to get after a week when they find out you don't know what the fuck to do.
>>43859734 Is there at least a reason for these universities to be considered special or is all about the reputation by now? I mean, what do your ivy league universities do different than the other ones when it comes to something like law?
Thats not really a field were scientific research helps you develop, like it does in other fields. And isnt that what these schools excel at the most?
>>43859783 it's half and half i guess. the reputation is obviously meaningful, but they also have a lot of "celebrity" lecturers that are HUGE name in their fields and i'd imagine they're really good at teaching
most of the high end schools don't actually follow the "normal" rules. like theres a ABET certification for schools. this means that they send their exams and grades get sent to an auditor and looked over to make sure that there isnt any grade inflation or something. certification helps small schools because it gets them some form of reputation, the famous schools dont care for that because everyone already knows them
>>43859929 Not the anon you're talking to but I'm from Mexico, maybe it's the place I live (I don't live in big places like Mexico City) but everyone asks for a Degree, if you don't have it then fuck off.
>>43860056 I work in the bay area too, same story. Although when I was at double robotics I did a lot more embedded systems, and it was a lot more traditional engineering mathematics. CS in its own right is a different category of math(s) if you really want to get into it.
Since this seems to be the thread for it: I'm a Computer Science and Engineering major. To my knowledge, not a lot of universities offer this particular major so I'll briefly explain: It's like a combination of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering, more focused on Computer Science. The good thing is it will look like I double-majored on my degree when in actuality it's about half the work a double major would be, the bad thing is I imagine I probably wont be particularly as strong with programming as I would be in a strict CS major, but I'm fine with that, I can self-teach.
My question is: What's a good minor to go with this? I honestly don't know what direction I should go with a minor, and if it should have any relevance to my major. I was debating some kind of business minor, or biomedical engineering, or chemical engineering. The latter of the two would require me to take hard classes in those respective sciences though, whereas business would be easier. Then again, I'm not a significantly lazy guy.
I think you should be able to focus on one or the other. The last two years of your undergrad will be for more specialized classes that don't involve the other specialty, so you should be able to get the same kind of depth as a pure CS or EE major.
If you just want to do CS, I bet you only have to take some CE course in sophomore year, write some Verilog. And probably an EE lab course, and then never have to go that low level again.
>>43860342 I prefer software I'd like to stick with the major though, at least for now. It gives me the option of switching to either CS or EE and still have basically all the required courses done. But I think I'll probably end up sticking with this major to the end.
As of right now I don't actually know what my courses are going to be like in the next 2 years, but if I could narrow them into the CS category, I'll probably roll with that.
Still, I'd like to get a minor since I don't mind taking an extra course each semester or whatever I need to do to get it on my degree.
>>43860411 Personally, I came into university intending to do CS. I had never really messed with hardware before and knew nothing about engineering. After taking an EE class where we built a microcontroller-based gadget, I decided I enjoyed it much more than just coding, and switched majors. Could be something to keep in mind.
>>43860550 EE is as big a field as CS is so it'd be difficult to explain all of it. But mainly it's about working with hardware. In EE the hardware you build works in parallel which requires a different thinking paradigm than typical software programming which executes serially (even multi-threading or stuff like MPI, the program flow is still serial).
At the lowest level is device physics but you're probably not interested in that so skipping it. There's circuit design which is using components to do stuff, typically this requires math and control theory stuff to understand. You take a bunch of components and put it on a circuit board and hook them up, and do something useful.
There's designing chips using higher level languages, which is digital and based mainly upon meeting timing specifications (designing logic circuits that compute stuff efficiently and don't take up too much space).
Moving up from there is computer architecture which might be overall system design, or for an example of a CPU, designing the cache architecture, instruction set, and the pipeline for executing instructions, etc. Overlaps a bit with CS.
>>43860931 Because it's an easy job. If you have an easy job, you have tons of applicants. If a monkey can do the job, they're going to hire a monkey with 3 years of experience and a sticker saying he can do the job.
It also makes me wonder just how many applicants there are, when there are dozens of IT jobs in the city. I mean, if there are tons of applicants, than there is no way that they all have 3+ years of experience, right?
>>43859655 my man a degree ALMOST guarantees a job, even if you don't get 500k first job you still have something, if you test your luck and try to be a lazy ass "genius" and fail miserably and aren't the next bill gates then that's a shitty idea, it's a bad choice, don't think a degree is only for retards, tons of peple drop out and don't achieve anythin in life, survivor bias shouldnt affect your choice
>>43867490 That's not bad for no internship. I would be fine with that but ill be looking for one for next summer and my senior design class is basically an internship (lots of people get hired by the company they "work" for)
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