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UC Berkeley's introductory Computer Science class, 61A, now has over 1300 students enrolled.
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Are they all Asian?
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>>43857901
Isn't that pretty normal for introductory classes?
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Like 3/4 will drop out because "muh video games". I wish CS and CP was still for those passionate about computers.
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>>43857901
Retards, they'll never learn anything about computers in college. They are wasting their money if they even want to have their own business.
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>>43857916

> Berkeley

Take a wild guess. It's the same situation in UIUC. Fucking chongs are taking over.
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>>43857974
Still need that $60,000 piece of paper for a lot of jobs. It opens a lot of doors for you.
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>tfw CAL alum
>tfw learned coding and hardware shit on my own
>tfw had the time of my life at CAL
>tfw got a bullshit Poli Sci degree
>tfw now have a cushy tech job with a telco
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>>43858024
60k per year
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>>43858030
pic saved, thank you good sir
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>>43858046
Better than the English degree baristas working off their their liberal arts degree at $11.50 an hour.
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>>43858109
No, he was saying the piece of paper was $60k per yer.
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>>43858143
jayzus at UCB?
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>>43858158
maybe for international, it's like $35 in-state?
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>>43857901
So many macfags are going to fail. RIP
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>>43857925
No?

At least not at once in my college. Max of around 100 or so.
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well that is much more accommodating than a shit-tier community college like mine.

>locked out of the courses i needed this fall because they filled up insanely quick
>student cap for any class is always 30 even if the room can seat more
>as usual for a community college, half of those people will stop showing up after one week and a handful will drop the course
>can't get access to the course even if i ask the instructors to unlock a seat for me, they always cite the standard 'lack of terminals/seating' issue as an excuse
guess that's what i get for taking it easy instead of incessantly refreshing the registration page at exactly midnight which is apparently what everyone else does.
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>>43857931
Daily reminder that CS is not a course on programming nor is it about computers. If you want a programming course, do a programming course. If you want to work with computers, do ICT or computer engineering.
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>tfw you have more experience than these clowns
>tfw no degree so no job
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>>43857901
>tfw I was in the same room last year
Don't worry. After the first week like 25% of the people there will stay.
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>>43857901
>tfw waitlisted at UCSD
Fuck this shit.
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>>43859035
the way you get classes at any community college is, attend the class once the semester begins. Keep going to every session and at the end of every day, ask the teacher if there is space. I'm not kidding, and this is how you get good fucking classes with good professors, and don't believe anything they say in the beginning. Professors want small classes, and will feed you bullshit to get you to go away
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>>43857901
all the intro classes are huge

cause stats and bio majors have to take it as part of their degree
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>>43859130
>tfw you have a degree that all these clowns don't
>tfw no experience so no job
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>>43857931
this.
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>>43859075
daily reminder of the pedantic faggots that say 'computer science' isn't about learning about programming, even though 99% of all people who go for a computer science degree are doing it to learn programming
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>>43857931

Yes, I too believe CP should only be in the hands of those who know what they're doing.
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>>43860105
If you wanted to learn programming, it's much quicker to do a software development course in college. If you wanted to do a university course in programming, you can do software engineering which is totally dedicated to programming. If you want to do CS, it's because you want to learn the theory of information. Programming is the application of that theory but programming is not the point of CS.
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>>43858169
>>43858158
wtf its not anything close to that retards
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Not to mention, the course also has 170+ lab assistants. An incredible amount.
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>>43860313
k3k3k3
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What the actual fuck?

At my school (Villanova), the largest class I ever took (general biology) had 75 people in it. Average class size for all of my classes was about 15.
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>CPSC 110 - 1300 students
>CPSC 150 - 1000 students
>CPSC 210 - 500 students
>CPSC 310 - 150 students
>Graduate: 125

This happens in every STEM program.
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>>43861831
this this this
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>>43861831

^ This

>Calculus 1 or Photography 101
>Calculus 2 or DSLR 101
>Calculus 3 or Lightroom 101
>Linear Algebra or Photoshop 101
>Control Theory or Printing 101

Ohh gee, I wonder why they dropped out of STEM
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>>43857916
Yeah, if you're white you can just fuck around in your basement and go get a job programming. Source: that's what I did.
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>>43858005
>Fucking chongs are taking over.
You must be one of those white apes too retarded to get accepted.
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>>43857901

>tfw almost went to UCB

I attend JC and pay for all my courses in cash, while working a dayjob.

How the fuck do people even survive at such massive schools? Looks like hell.
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>>43861863
I just took those at a Junior college and transferred to UC Davis. It smells like shit here. But saved myself like $60k for not going straight to a 4 year college.
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>>43862026
Do your research, go to office hours, and you meet the people like you.
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>>43862048

>he attends UC Davis

UCLA here, did the exact same you did.
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>>43861657
I'm a lab assistant. They're pretty much volunteers or people who want free units
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>>43861831
It's mainly because many majors make it mandatory to take 1-2 programming courses regardless of major.
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>>43862048

>But saved myself like $60k for not going straight to a 4 year college.

this so much

highschool kids don't get it, but going straight into a 4-year commitment, one that will determine the rest of your life, right after highschool is a fucking retarded idea. Not to get personal, but at least at JCs you can fuck up and not get completely fucked over. I spent four years of my life at a JC and went on to get a Masters and a 90k starting job (mostly because I worked a lot and had "experience") while many of my peers who went straight into a 4-year got fucked over with debt

tl;dr for anyone who's not in college yet, don't buy into the hype. Go to a JC until you're mature enough to handle a more independent life
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>>43862080
I got accepted to UCLA as well. Since Davis is like a 30 minute commute I decided to go there. Smells like horseshit there.
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>>43857901
>corporations reaction to this kind of job market saturation
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>>43862108

Comm. Colleges are great for fucking up your life too unless you're focused and anti-social.
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>>43862108
>one that will determine the rest of your life,

Please, nigger.
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>>43857901
Mfw planning to take that class at UCB. Fak.
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>>43862170

oh yeah, JCs can defiantly ruin you too if you're not focused. But, at least in my case, if you fuck up completely you can easily retake classes and get back on track. The thing is that most people don't
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>mfw not even 1/10th of that amount in OttawaU

damn son.
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>>43862139

>Davis is a 30 minute commute

>living in Sacramento

also 80 is a parking lot during commute hours, a 30 minute commute would mean that you either live in Woodside, Dixon or Riverview
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>>43859075
>computer science is not about computers
seriously can you just kill yourself
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>>43862212

>get degree in biology
>apply for a job as a CPA
>get rejected
>???

what you do in college has a huge impact on your career
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>>43858495
Well your random college isn't Berkeley.
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>>43857925
1300 is pretty big for Berkeley. Most popular lower div classes are around 500 in size or smaller.
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>>43860105
Are you going to wank off the greek symbols all day or implement it by learning how to program?
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>>43859035
Name of your college? I want to research
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>>43862269
consists of chinks who got great grades and were told to go into CS
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That's a big number, but it's actually not shocking if you break it down.

>Berkeley is a fucking big school: over 36,000 students.
>Berkeley is KNOWN for CS in particular (BSD anyone?) Their CS program has a history that is almost as well regarded as MIT's.
>freshman class, half or more will not graduate with their bachelors in CS.

I'd say a reasonable guess is 25% of these kids actually finish the program. The rest will switch to IT or a completely different field or drop out. That leaves a graduating class of 325 CS majors. That's only roughly double the number of CS grads in my graduating class, and my school was almost as big as Berkeley (about 30,000 students.)

Also, if Berkeley is like most schools, the students who are minoring in CS will also take those introductory classes.
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>>43862349
MIT has higher requirements.
IIRC, the cutoff for ACT scores is 32 for MIT, and something like 27-29 for UoC Berkeley.
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>>43862349
The course is very popular among non-majors who want a little CS experience under their belt.

>>43862368
And...?
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>>43859035

the difference is that you could be doing that for $5,000 at a community college or $20,000 at a state college
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>>43862349
To add onto this:

To declare CS you must have a 3.0 in your prerequisites. These classes have averages of 2.7-2.9. There's been talk of raising the cap so even less people get in.

Plenty of people decide they don't want to do CS/get shit grades and get discouraged. When I took the course the averages on our midterms were in the mid 50%'s and none of the 61 series classes are curved.
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This is why I love my shitty little university and my course

there's 40 of us

that's a much nicer number compared to over 1000.
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>Just graduated with BSEE
>Got job in Systems Engineering at major defense contractor
>I spend half my day getting people to do stuff or testing their work, the other half watching stuff on youtube while waiting for their responses
>Get to pick my own hours as long as I work 40, get half days every Friday
>Work from home as I need to
>Really good health benefits, 401k
>60k/year starting

Salary's nothing special but I think I did good
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>>43857901
I work with a linux admin that got a CE degree from berkeley.

I am a windows admin, I went to san francisco state.

We both make the same.
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>>43857901
and they are all asian
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>>43858005
as a "chong" who wants to get into both of these schools, fuck you.
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>>43862669
You can thank the lack of affirmative action in california for that
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>>43862250
it REALLY isn't.
It's about theory, logic, and math.

CS is not for people who want to "work with computers". It's for people who want to DESIGN computer architecture or study it.
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>>43862666
he could just be lying to you, for the lulz while he makes double your paycheck.

also nice trips
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>>43862688
I have an information systems degree, this is what you get if you want to work in IT (Not programming)
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>>43859763
You're not employed because no-one wants to take the risk whether you know anything about software development.

Do your own software projects. Boom. Now you've got a job. At least as long as you can resist the urge to sperg in the interview.
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oh lord RIP USA only ching chongs
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>>43862689
Being a sys admin, I am able to get into all the files on the file server, thus can see his and my offer letters.
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>>43862698
They'll all be low level whatever workers, while white people are all getting business degrees and as such will be the only people in management.
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>>43862692
This.
If you want to "work with computers", you do information systems, programming, or systems administration.

If you want to wank over logic theory, hardcore theoretical mathematics involving only two numbers and a series of modifiers, and maybe consult in how to design new systems, get into CS.

If you want to work with computer HARDWARE, get into Electrical Engineering, and brush up on statistics and calculus.
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>>43862698
the problem is they smell, they can't drive, they can't speak english, and are willing to cheat and lie and pretend they don't understand when they are caught.
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And this is why computing is dead. It's been taken over by a bunch of know-nothing bullshit kids that go to memorization school to learn garbage that doesn't and shouldn't exist in the real world.
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>>43862235
>OttawaU
Well... at least it isn't Carlton
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>>43862682
stay mad slanty, we'll never respect you
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>>43862742
I... I don't think you know what you're saying
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>>43862763
So you're one of the know-nothing idiots enrolled in Memorization College.

Get fucked.
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>Analysis I
>Analysis II
>Linear Algebra
>Discrete structures
>General physics I

nope I'm not going into CS
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>>43862775
dropout detected
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>>43862775
>Memorization College
Someone didn't get into college I take it?
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>>43862777
Only hard classes there are Analysis I & II.
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>>43862729
>TFW Would love to learn CS but am shit tier at math

Feels bad man
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>>43862894
linear algebra depends on it's prerequisites - cookbook style it should be no problem, but if the class is using halmos or lang than it'll be as hard as a decent analysis course.
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>>43857901
somehow find that depressing
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no one has mentioned that the textbook for this class is SICP
http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61a/sp11

and you can watch this class on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ctRUep1QkA&list=PLDB5C1A3E0F14032F
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>>43863093
That's not the right professor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkE4j6IrQA&list=PL-XXv-cvA_iCIEwJhyDVdyLMCiimv6Tup
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>>43863138
you're right, I got the wrong year, here is the correct website:
http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61a/fa14/
they switched to PYTHON, no wonder there are so many students now
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>>43863165
so berkeley is just copying harvard?
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>>43860313
lel
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jesus, so many drones

feels good to be "Frat "bruhhhhh"" as an Econ major, Accounting minor
at least my skills are relevant outside a fucking LAN party
>there are 14yr old nerds who are 10x more competent in CS than most undergraduates who finish their programs

seriously why?
no fun
no life
no booze
no pussy
no creativity
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>>43861995
if you are in state, yes

why waste an acceptance letter on a priveledged white cis male scum who pays less because of the CAL grant when you could at least waste it on the same person out of state and bank 15k+ more per year
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>>43859075
This makes me sad because I went to a CS course already knowing how to program and wanting to learn about CS, and now I'm in final year and only a handful of units are what I'd call CS units, the rest are basically just programming units.

I always remember "CS is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes".
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is it one class crammed with 1300 people or that class divided among 3-4 professors
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>>43857974

Jesus Christmas you do know that Berkeley computer science majors are in the top 1% socioeconomocally, right? They all get jobs in Silicon Valley and get rich and fat in the fucking bay hills
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>>43863556
nice post!
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>>43862250
may sound hipsterish but that's true. computer science is actually about computation, not computers. as they say, computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes
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>>43862902
You don't need to be that great at math, you just can't be retarded.
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>>43857925
Its standing room only, that is never normal for a class.
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>>43857916
California ended affirmative action, and well the result has been asians now dominate all of the schools. White people be mad when they realize that affirmative action actually gave them more of a chance. Good lucky nao whitey
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>>43862902

I thought I was shit at maths too. I did the lowest course in highschool and barely passed the maths exam.

Enter college

First maths exam, hard as fuck but I manage to get a 7/10.

>75% of class fails

Second exam
8/10 even though it was also fucking hard

>80% of the class failed

If you just put some effort into study, you can do it. Just remember that compared to most people joining the course, if you browse /g/ your practically already a genious
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>>43863608
Programming is the application of what you learn in CS. It's quite possible to study CS without programming and to do programming without studying CS.
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>>43864307
>be in final year
>been putting off doing first year maths because boring and tedious and because I had work to do
>finally have to do it
>have forgotten all linear calculus/etc from highschool
>would have been totally fine if I had done this unit in first year
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>>43864345
And to think it could have heightened what you were learning for the rest of your course work. Instead you remain top pleb, and will die top pleb. See ya sucka.
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>>43864329
And I'm sad because it was mostly just programming.
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>>43860758
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>>43864374

$1500 a month residential costs????????
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>>43864382
I don't live in California so I don't know how legit this is but that's what it says on Berkeley's site.
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>>43864374
>out of state fee
No shit.

I pay 800/mo for rent, and probably spend ~100-200/mo max for misc.

That's about 23k a year.
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>>43864355
Well it's not really relevant to CS and it is just thrown in there to fill out credits.
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>>43864440

Maths is never irrelevant
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>>43864593
Is there any benefit to being able to integrate huge equations on paper without the use of a computer?

Come on man, in the real world you would just type it in to a program and get your solution. There's 0 real world benefit to learning how to do these kinds of things manually.

Yeah I use maths every day working as a dev, but I always used a computer.
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>>43863249
>http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61a/fa14/
that's what I thought. looks very cs50 to me
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>>43863556
>>there are 14yr old nerds who are 10x more competent in CS than most undergraduates who finish their programs
they're more competent at programming, not CS.

>seriously why?
because it's fun.

>no fun
see above

>no life
no cs, no life

>no booze
not necessarily

>no pussy
okay this one is pretty spot on

>no creativity
you've obviously never programmed before.
speaking of which, what the hell are you doing on /g/, econ major?
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>>43864662
that's not the type of math you need for CS. computation stuff is definitely best left to computers and high school kids. what you do need, however, is a good grounding in proof so that you can prove that programs run the way you think they do. you become a much better programmer that way.
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>>43862651
>BSEE
>Systems Engineering at major defense
>60k/year starting

Hope you're in a really cheap cost-of-living area. Better start job hopping for a higher salary.
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>>43857901
40% of them will drop out and the other 60% will realize they made a terrible decision.
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Ahh, Internet Bubble 2.0
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>>43866827
And what do you study?
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>>43862777
If you can't even do that shit how are you going to make it in any worthwhile major? You better get your shit together man
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>>43866911
statistics
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>>43862651
I'm making more as an intern
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Lab Assistant, AMA
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>>43869143
Why do you do it for free?
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>>43869162
it's a big class
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>>43869218
Still doesn't justify providing free labor to the university.
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>>43869143
What the fuck do people actually do in lab? I never went last year.
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Berkeley dropout starting at Airbnb for $100k, AMA
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>>43869284
Do lab assignments and homework
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>>43869218
for you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAHA0nJv8EA

Woah it's SICP!
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>>43869431
No it's a watered down version of SICP with about half the stuff cut out and in Python.
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>>43857901
why would anyone want to go to a class like that?

seriously, you might as well self study at that point. Jesus, can you even talk to the teacher after class?
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>>43859130
You are retarded if you cannot get IT related job with exp and no degree.
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>>43861831
can confirm.
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>>43869471
Last year I did exactly that. Never bothered showing up for anything except the exams and submitted everything online.
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>>43869455
Understandable considering the amount of domain knowledge SICP requires.
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> pay 500€ per semester for college
> guaranteed slots in all classes for all students
> maximum of 30 students per class
> classes have 2 to 5 teaching staff
> perfect alumni system
feels good
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>>43869500
you missed out
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>>43864374
>>43864395
>hurr durr pictures on the internet
>literally also from berkeley's site
>also know plenty people that go/have graduated from there
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>>43857901
GOD DAMN THAT'S A LOTTA CHINESE STUDENTS!
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>>43870286
>that font rendering
Kill yourself.
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>>43869361
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>>43857925
this year my program has an unprecedented 70 students
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Is computer engineering a good major, or does it end up being half CS half Electrical engineering, where you should just pick one
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>>43870612
at Berkeley, it only depends whether you take more physics classes or more humanities
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>>43870689
Berkeley doesn't even offer computer engineering.
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>>43870698
actually your wrong lmao

http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Programs/Notes/section2.shtml

it's grouped with EECS, but you have several paths within the degree
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>>43858024
8th year senior here, pissed at the system for not teaching me anything and left to start my career but I've hit the point where I can't progress up the ladder without that piece of paper.

$50k+ debt for MIS degree/CE minor. Learned more about philosophy and history of yurop than anything tech or business related. Anything I know I learned from Google, /g/, or self-study cert training.
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>>43870784
>8th year senior
wot
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>>43859646
>Professors want small classes
My school pays instructors based on class enrollment. Most of them will cancel classes if there are less than a dozen signed up, which sux shit for senior-level classes at a school with only 17% 4-year graduation rate.
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>>43870868
>17% 4-year graduation rate

now I can't be totally sure so don't quote me on this, but maybe... just maybe.... I may have found the problem
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>>43870831
Some people have to work full time and pay for their own classes, junior.
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>>43870912
the middle class has it rough
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>>43870925
You can get a full ride to a half decent state college just for getting a certain score on the PSAT.
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>>43857901
So what? Half of them will drop after they realize that there is more to CS than browsing facebook on a macbook. The other quarter won't be able to handle the math at some point, and the last half will graduate and go live in their parent's basements.
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>>43870831
Went a year, realized I wasn't going to learn anything. Was ready to transfer to a good school, but they said credits wouldn't transfer unless I had an associates. Knocked out the AS and transferred 100 miles away. Advisor at new school waited two weeks into the semester to let me know only 4 of ~25 classes transferred. Fucked out of any refund for the semester and was stuck in a year lease. Worked till the end, moved back to original shit school and have been back and forth across the company taking high paying contract jobs and a couple classes on the side to finish up my BSBA. Currently have a salaried FT gig as an "IT director" for a local company, but the pay is shit($30k) compared to the people working below me. 50+ year old programmer makes $85k and 40 year old server tech makes $55k.
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>>43859075
Could some faggy sissy faggot tell me about CE? Sounds fun.
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>>43870972
Berkeley EECS has a 80% graduation rate. Most of those people, no matter how shitty they are, are here to stay.
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>>43870889
It's a rural area in the midwest, overrun with a drug epidemic, 100+ miles from any industry. There have been several major network TV documentaries about the town.
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who /getseverythingpaidbyfafsa/ here?
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>>43871023
>being a poorfag
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>>43871055
he's a nigger
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>>43871055
>>43871063
>being this ass blasted that you'll be in debt and i'll be fine
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>>43871093
I'm not in debt because I actually gave a fuck in high school and got scholarships that aren't racist.
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>>43871023
8th year senior again. This year is the first time I have ever received grants, and I have the next two semesters paid with a lot left over. Funny how I got no money as a kid working minimum wage cause my single parent family makes barely above the poverty line, but now that I'm 26 and making 15/hr I get more than I need.
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>mfw I only got my engineering degree
>stopped my education and started working
>3 years in and I'm making better money then most my friends
>people who stayed in uni and did masters and doctors earn fucking pennies
>mfw I'm at the top of the world

CS was fun, making neural networks to find breast cancer, writing p2p hashing servers, coding linux modules, it was really fun. But dealing with real world problems is probably even more fun.

The only sad part is most people around don't have the expertise to acknowledge how awesome is what you did. That was the one nice thing about uni. Like minded people.
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>>43871006
Even more of a reason to stay away from the soon to be watered down meaning of a CS degree
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>>43871023
>Tuition + fees covered by academic scholarship
>Getting extra from FAFSA
>Bought a car with it
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>>43862682
>as a
fuck off with that reddit shit
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>>43871192
>implying using those two words means you're from reddit

what a faggot
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>>43857901
I don't get it.
People enroll in computer science and regret it their first class?
I found my intro class to be refreshing. Finally away from gen classes.
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>>43871281
well when your class size is 1300 idk about you but that's annoying as fuck.
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So?

That's a good thing. We WANT more people to understand how technology works, not less.
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I'm an academic fuck up. How do I redeem myself and get into Berkeley?
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>>43871281
Take a look at the first assignment for one of my CSE core classes.
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>>43871343
They just want to check that you can use Google.
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>>43871336
As a society, sure, but without idiots running wild, we wouldn't be able to charge people $100 for a simple windows install.
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>>43871343
>A home page about your favorite hobby
Welp.

Anyways, I'm glad I never had to visit an US college, what a waste of time.
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>>43857901
3 of them girls and if it wasn't for muh sage o knee there would be more?
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>>43871383
Maybe, but that has nothing to do with CS so you don't need to worry about it.
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1. A good percentage will drop out
2. Lots of schools are requiring an intro to programming class for other majors, especially engineering degrees
3. I noticed more people doing a minor, ex: a lot of the econ/finance majors at my school are doing a cs minor
4. My school had about 400 in the intro to cs class. The advanced classes like compilers, etc had about 60.
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>>43871359
copy/pasting 3-5 links would be plenty to get the fucking point across
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>>43871341
No one?
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>>43871535
Well if knew about that, we wouldn't be on /g/.
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>>43871544
Even if you had a way in you'd fuck that up too. That's why you're still on /g/.
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>>43871535
how old?>>43871341
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>>43872146
22. I don't know why but I feel like it would be easier if I was 10 years older.
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>>43872146
25. I got suspended after my 8th semester when I was 21. I'm a NEET
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>>43872213
My story is a little different. I dropped out of high school and wasted away (managed to fail classes that I could've passed by simply showing up) at a local community college for a few years. I'm ready to give it my all but I'm not sure where I should focus my time and effort.
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>>43872296
ur a faget
>>
I'm glad I recently got bored of computing as a career and I'm looking at doing something completely else. Who knows what. But IT as an industry is so unbelievably saturated that unless you can make something for yourself you're going to be shit out of luck with finding a job.
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>>43872327
I'm aware.
>>
>tfw Robot Systems Engineer
>Got done in June
>found job
>Cyber Security
>need to sign confidentiality agreement
>can get life in prison if I mess up
>85k starting salary
>can get overtime pay

Feels bretty gud. Shame about not getting a Robot related job but meh.
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>>43858005
>tfw got accepted at UIUC for Engineering but cannot go because fucking Asians raising the price.

Like seriously, I cannot afford 21k a year, and UIUC doesn't give any school scholarships because all the rich Asian fucks can afford their sky high tuition.
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>>43864171

A good way to quickly weed the plebs out of a room full of potential astronomers would be to see what they know about telescopes.
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>>43872328
I got my A+ certs and walked into a local Computer repair/service shop that also installs networks and business solutions, and they pretty much hired me on the spot

I only make like 37k but I'm 23 and haven't been working there for a year yet
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>>43862144
what should I pursue instead then? I'm a NEET and think I want to go back to school.
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>>43872511
You gotta specialize if you don't want to end with a slave wage. CS still is one of the best fields, jobwise, you just must stand out from the crowd.
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>tfw technically poor so the government covers all my college costs
Thank you based Europe
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>>43872581
You will pay the money back with the high taxes.
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>>43872581
>tfw American
>tfw I'm not poor enough to get government subsidies
>tfw I'm not rich enough to be able to afford college on my own

What the fuck, /g/?
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>>43872622
How about not being a retard in high school?
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>>43872629
Graduated with a 5.2 and 31 on my ACT. Try again. Academic scholarships only go so far at schools that I will actually get a good education at. Getting 20k at a 40k school is still me paying 20k. I cannot afford that shit.
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>paying for classes

all you need is "nand to tetris", SCIP, and a book on algorithms
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>>43872722
>5.2

http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/05/20/high-school-caledictorian-earned-1003-gpa

a.k.a. your school can inflate gpa's however they want
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>>43872722
>wahh I can't go to the best and most expensive colleges for free
Well no shit. Find a cheaper one or suck it up.
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>>43872595
Not if I move to Dubai and pay no tax like half the people do

And it's still better than having crippling loans lel
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>>43870947
This, I have had the past 4 years paid for, and will get paid to get my masters. Just have to look around.
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>>43871408
Im getting my masters in Econ. Intro level econ classes have around 250. My junior/senior level classes had around 11.
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>>43872790
Sure, if all you want are skills that don't get you a job
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>>43872879
>Best
>Most expensive

Nigga, 40k a year for a state school =/= best or most expensive I could have chosen. 30k is average for tuition
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>>43872857
Alright. I passed most of the AP courses offered with A's. Better?
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>>43873169
what the shit, california state universities have yearly tuition of less than 10k.
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>>43859035
if you don't already have the CRNs or Class ID numbers lined up before hand to just plug in and register you're an idiot and it's only your fault.

you should have been looking at time slots and classes and had a couple schedules made just in case weeks before registration even started
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>>43862349
>Their CS program has a history that is almost as well regarded as MIT's.
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>>43858005
Chink here. I love the fact that I'm taking over a poor white ape's spot in college. You can't do shit cuz your average big noses are too dumb and too busy socializing to get into elite colleges.

Stay pleb.
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>>43861730
>confirm for a small school fag.
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>>43862250
get a load of this guy.

>he hasnt read sicp nor watched the videos
top lel
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>>43874015

/r/ing the gif
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>>43873953
Ivy League+Berkeley+MIT: 50% jews, 50% chongs
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>>43857901

My uni's introductory class had 130 students. 40 passed. 20+ of those went to work in their native countries.

The pass rate went from 30% to 20% as the years passed and the class size increased.

Computer science is not something you can be good at if you don't like it.
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>>43862349

Berkeley's elite CS status is for its grad program, not its undergrad. Those classes are fuckhuge because their maximal thresholds for undergraduate admissions are set by California law, and as such they have to let a lot more kids in than they'd like -- their undergrad CS program isn't really elite in the sense that their graduate program is.

Of course, they just fail out a ton after the first class, so it gets to where they'd rather have it eventually. But, still -- undergrad is one thing, grad is something else entirely. Schools get reputations for CS by having elite graduate programs, and people who don't know any better assume it applies to the undergraduate programs.

>>43871341

Basically, the only way you're going to do it is finish a BS somewhere, then get into a *decent* graduate program (which is fucking difficult if you've already fucked yourself academically), and finish a MS with some significant publications.

Note that most people at Berkeley don't have significant publications at the MS stage -- so you'd be, in effect, proving you're better than everyone there to have a shot at getting in the PhD program, but that's the reality of it.

Yes, it sucks.
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>>43872203
It gets harder the older you are; most of the elite programs bias against age something fierce.

>>43872328
>IT saturated
If you mean IT including the guys who reset your password when you forget it, maybe.

If you mean actual CS or SE positions, lolno. I had a friend graduate under academic probation because he couldn't manage a 3.0 GPA at a state school have three offers over $75k before graduating. The CS department at the middle-of-the-pack state has gone six years without a CS grad not finding a job in CS.
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>>43873880
>Trash talking the reputation of a big four program
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>>43873953
Well at least my dick is bigger
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>>43874335
>Muh dick
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>>43870889
why the fuck would you go there
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>>43871167
ayy lmao
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>>43872511
maybe you should try studying a trade. ain't no shame in labor.
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>>43872203
if it's just CS then you're probably better off getting a BS from a state school, working in the industry for a couple of years, then coming back for the PhD if you even need it.
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>>43872511
you missed the fast track already, so just do whatever you want. I'd go with math, math is always fun.
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>>43874335

>muh dick

aye mane muhfuggin bix nood namsayn? hellllllz chyeah bwoi
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> School right outside the hottest tech industry in the world in SanFran
> increase in cs students

No fucking way.
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>>43857901
and 90% of them will drop the class when they learn what computer science actually is.
people are fucking stupid.
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Great, my school doesn't allow freshmen to choose their own classes (probably a good idea to avoid shit-tier classes), and I've been put into an intro CS course. I barely passed precal in junior year of hs, how fucked am I if I know how wolfram alpha works?
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>>43864171
"they"
way to not credit Dijkstra
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>>43875817
>intro CS
Isn't that just hello world and no math.
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>>43875817
it's called an intro course for a reason
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>>43864286
Your logic is flawless

Oh wait

Affirmative action = giving non-whites more opportunities than whites
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>>43859153
>Wanting to go to the University of California of the Socially Dead
>Wanting to pay sky high La Jolla living prices
>Wanting to have nothing but xenophobic chinks and retarded weebs as classmates
>Being this stupid

UCSD a shit.
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>>43876066
>going to college for a social life
Faggots like you are ruining institutions of higher learning.
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>>43876081
Half the reason to go to college is to network retard.

Does it suck these days? Yes.

But that's the reality you live in, deal with it.

And UCSD might as well essentially be a commuter college thanks to how fucking retardededly far all the colleges are from each other.
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Photo was taken outside of their bookstore.
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I really don't understand this system, why do americans pay 50 grand to enroll in a course they'll just drop two weeks later?

In France, the best way to get a solid CS degree is through an engineering school, which falls outside of classic uni courses.

It's two years of "classe preparatoire", where you eat, breathe and sleep math and physics, all day every day, with continuous exams.
(Many people fuck off at this point)

After surviving this ordeal its 3 years of what everyone actually wants to do, you pick a major and get a host of obligatory courses in various fields of CS.
Failing any of these will result in repeating the year or getting kicked out.

In many cases both phases have entry exams which range from piss easy to suicidal tier.

The maximum amount for a year is around 8k, which is very expensive in this country, but in the end you get the equivalent of an american master of science degree.
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>>43876263
Now I feel like printing the picture and putting it there.
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>>43876276

wish I was a french faggot. You guys got the highest amount of Field's Medal winners per capita(its the math nobel prize).
Clearly you're doing something right
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>>43876290
I'm sure the entire Islamic student body would love that.
Do it, now.
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>>43876333
Nope.
All our teachers are arabs who are hard core mathematicians.
We're doing pretty complex math but for them it's low level garbage.
The grading is insane, in classe preparatoire it's not unusual for the average grade of the entire class to be around 30-35% for an exam.
The idea behind the difficulty level is that the absolute best student shouldn't get above 80%, which leaves the rest of us (supposedly France's best and brightest) with abysmal grades
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>>43857901
>takes in millions of dollars a year from Financial aide and tuition
>can't hire more teachers to do this shit effectively
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>>43876510
Why does the class size matter for a lecture based class? It doesn't matter whether there's 50 people sitting in a room listening to a lecturer or 1000.
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>>43876528
class size matters because on an individual basis, students do better in smaller environments and learn more because of it
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>>43858109
>$11.50
I make more than that, and I'm an intern
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>>43872722
>Graduated with a 5.2 and 31 on my ACT. Try again. Academic scholarships only go so far at schools that I will actually get a good education at. Getting 20k at a 40k school is still me paying 20k. I cannot afford that shit.


Are you kidding me ?

Why don't you take out a loan... Salie-Mae for starters?

Just make sure you get in a field where you are guaranteed a job.
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>>43877507
Short answer? No one to cosign on a loan. The acceptance into good programs wasn't an issue (UMich and UIUC for Engineering),
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>>43877578

Why are you NOT in good terms with your parents?

Now your prospective spot now belongs to an Asian, with real supportive parents.
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>>43878011
Relationship with parents is fine. In '08 they had to make some financial decisions to save the house that ultimately ruined their credit. Sallie-Mae, Discover Student Loans, etc all won't accept them as cosigners due to credit rating.
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>>43878029

ahh

the "happening" of 2008

that shit sure derailed lots of people and future plans like you and me.
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>>43877507
>loans
gg being a wage slave on that debt
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>19
>Working on first Bachelors in Business Administration, and then my MBA, already two AA's.
>Getting real estate license, should make 50-100k from that this year.

A lot of you guys make me sad.
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>>43871343
>Complete by Tuesday September 2nd at 1:00 pm.
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>>43878175

dude, /g/ does not have a milliliter of your "soft skills" which has to come natural in your to get into college of business.
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>>43878272
Actually, you're completely right. Not in a bragging way, but I've had numerous people tell me that if they were even half as socially adept as me they would never be unhappy again.

Even right now without a BA I made roughly 90k last year at 18/19 through some smart business decisions and connections that I made.
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>>43871359
They just want to check that you're a willing and mindless drone

Stick it to the man man
>>
chinks, the class. literally. i work at ucsb and that's about the entire campuss
>>
how many of them have name tags with their preferred pronouns on them
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>>43878175
>Bachelors in Business Administration

What the hell does that even mean.

REAL biz majors are BA in Accounting, Finance or both.
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>>43878429
>chinks, the class. literally. i work at ucsb and that's about the entire campuss

what type of chinks? what flavor?

taiwanese ?
hong kong ?
singapore ?
tsinoy (philippines) ?
mainlander?
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>>43878442
LOL ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME YOU FUCKING RETARD?

ACCOUNTING

BACHELORS IN ACCOUNTING

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Fuck you, dude.
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>>43878457

mainland, all of them
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>>43878470

Dude you can go ANYWHERE with an accounting degree + cpa. They pay real good and not subjected to ups & downs like other lesser biz degrees
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>>43878512
>degree in accounting
Why the fuck do you need to go to college to learn how to add numbers?
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>>43878488

Absolutely disgusting.
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>>43878524
>Not having a fancy piece of a paper to wipe your ass with
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>>43878512
I'm sorry, but you just insulted my degree of choice.

You told me to go get a "real" degree when many fortune 50 companies are lead by MBA's or JD/MBA's along with politicians.

Go be a mouthy asshole somewhere like /biz/ where they don't actually know you're full of shit.

Are you an accountant? If so, how much do you make I guarantee I make more money than you.
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>>43878562
Shit, I'm watching YouTube videos and reading.

I meant to say If so, how much do you make? I guarantee I make more money than you.
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>>43864286
All the rich chinks outnumber whitey and everybody else and come to Murrica for schooling because chink schools suck
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>>43878524
It's typical amerifat logic, because they haven't passed elementary level maths by the age of 18
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>>43878524

You must be confused.

Bookeepers are the ones who input the debit/credit inputs on spreadsheet. Real accountants with CPA just double check, read/analyse spreadsheets the bookeepers make bookeeepers, and then pass it off to the management for everyone to read.

and they make real good money with almost no brain/input requirement compared to STEM degrees.
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>>43872472
Congrats, but I hate hearing shit like this. IS bachelors, A+, MCP, CCENT, and several years experience and the highest paying gig I've ever had was $15/hr.
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>>43861908

Did this too. But not from a basement because there's no basements in Texas.
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>>43863556

>economy

>accounting

bruh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

glad you're having fun in college.

good luck with that degree by the time you get out tho
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>>43863556
Are you the shithead who insulted my degree choice?
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>>43863556
Holy fuck fuck off normalfag.
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>>43878562

Where did you get your "Bachelors in Business Administration" ?

Phoenix? DeVry?

Let me just finish my gig in the Big-4, and i'd be making more G's than you.
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>>43871343
Fuck man, better get on that. Don't want to put that off till the last minute or anything
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>>43863556
damn that must be based. Why isn't there a LAN CSGO club in my uni
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>>43878698
Because I don't want my fucking tuition payments funding a bunch of faggots gaymen. Do that shit on your own money.
>>
In my school, CS1 is Python while CS2 is C++ with Data Structures with some pretty hardcore homework assignments and exams. Many get to CS2 then experience failure and change their major.
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>>43878717
better than faggot clubs retard
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>>43878652
>post-scarcity
>I don't wanna work
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>>43872722
How the fuck do you get a 5.2? There wasn't even 8 AP classes in my entire high school
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>>43871343

>favorite carton character

>carton

I know i'm from the generation where everything was about reading and writing and zero fucks were given about STEM,

but how does a professor (or it could be an aid who wrote this, who knows) misspell cartoon?

and how in this day and age do people not know what a URL is?
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>>43878728

If you take an AP or honors course there's an extra bonus.
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and most will drop out because they'll realize they hate programming

>not living in the south where almost no one is doing CS and the entire job market is just waiting for your dick
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>>43874280
>tfw majored in CompE at a top 5 school and didn't get a job for a year after graduating
>It was only 66k starting
>In an really expensive area
I mean, I've gotten a couple promotions since then but I really felt like a fucking idiot for a while.
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>>43878739
That's fucking retarded. The max you could get at my school was like a 4.9 because everyone had to take shit like PE where you couldn't get honors credit.
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>>43878694
I'm just jumping in here, but if you got a BA instead of a BBA, you got fucked, bruh bruh.
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>>43878726
I don't want my tuition payments funding some faggot hugbox either.
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>>43878694
Are you fucking trolling? If you aren't trolling you're a fucking retard.

I'm sorry, is your Big-4 Columbia? Harvard? Yale?

What a fucking joke. I hope you're actually wasting your time on here trolling successful people, because at the end of the day, I'm still more successful than you.
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>>43878765
well too bad, that is already the case in most universities
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>>43878756
GPA doesn't matter
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>>43878763
He has to be trolling.

Which I don't get why he would do that, unless he's 14.
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>>43878768
He's talking about the Big 4 firms, ya dunce. Are you both in high school or something?

>>43878807
As a business student, I'm just kind of confused that anyone would argue about business degrees online. Most of my classmates, though pretty good in the classroom, don't want to be anyone other than a frat bro outside of school.
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>>43878768
>I'm sorry, is your Big-4 Columbia? Harvard? Yale?

Big 4 _AUDIT FIRMS_ you dumbass. Google it.
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>>43878858
>As a business student, I'm just kind of confused that anyone would argue about business degrees online.

Reminder that ONLY Finance, Accounting or combining both are REAL biz degrees. Land a gig in the Big-4 and that shit will look real good on your RESUME and the sky is pretty much the limit... plus and you will _RULE_ over STEM majors here in America in terms of income to work input ratio.
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>>43878694
>Let me just finish my gig in the Big-4, and i'd be making more G's than you.
>Big-4

That shit is CASH bro!

If you have a LinkedIN account and you put down that you worked survived hell in Big-4, poachers will be all over you SPAMMING your linkedIN account with 6-figure job offers!

And what this guy said, >>43878981
is all real.
>>
>>43878981
If you're taking shots at Marketing or Management degrees, that's fine, but Economics, Business Analytics, MIS, and other quant fields are probably going to open you up to a lot more opportunities than an average Finance or Accounting degree.

If all you want to do is work with a Big 4 firm, keep doing your thing, though.
>>
OP here... where'd you business majors come from
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>>43871343
>a web page about something you'd like to do but have never done
link a fucking helium tank on ebay because you're gonna wanna kill yourself after this shit
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>>43879092
I don't know, I'm a big tech fan, I work from home, so when I'm sick I come on /g/. Actually have a 4K monitor and I'm considering a Mac Pro for 4K video rendering. I want two more 4K monitors, but my rMBP can't push that many pixels without getting a little hot during 4K video rendering.

>>43878858
I misread what he wrote and I thought he was referring to state schools, like Berkeley, hence the Yale/Columbia joke.

>>43879036
>let me just finish my gig at the big 4
>go to a renowned state school
>get accepted into renowned private schools
>buy houses while in college while having a career in real estate and originally running my own business

I hate stupid people.

>>43879057
I don't understand why anyone is taking shots at an MBA. You guys enjoy your 100k salaries when I'm running my own company while some fuck tard with an accounting degree is deeply entrenched in his cognitive dissonance.
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>>43879193
Also

>find this chart
>making more G's than me

Hahahaha.
>>
>be smart but didnt give a shit in high school (2270 SAT/34 ACT but 2.9 GPA, and that was with APs)
>test scores get me into good colleges but GPA doesnt let me get scholarships
>tfw going to a top 20 college for CS but still having to pay 40K a year and I feel really guilty for me and my parents
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>>43879057
>If all you want to do is work with a Big 4 firm, keep doing your thing, though.

You have a choice to stay with Big-4 and get promoted, go to another firm or start "partnerships"
>>
>>43879214
>>43879193
www.youtube.com/watch?v=atU2R2V0SKc
#rekt
#shotsfired
#WORLDSTAR
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>>43879245
>taking your chart from the same site as me
>implying you're going to constantly get promoted
>being a companies bitch
>>
>>43879285

It's the solid path, least chance to be let go.

You on the other hand is a disaster waiting to happen. Another 2008-style crisis and you're back to 0.
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>>43879341
>you on the other hand
>is a disaster waiting to happen
>back at 0

I fucking refuse to believe that you have a college degree, let alone a job at a big 4 if you're this dense.
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>>43879470
I am actually astounded that he said that.

Do you understand equity and renting? Jesus man, you have to at least understand debt-equity, and debt-income ratios?
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>>43879483
>>43879470
This is the same person by the way.

At 19, I can describe to you in detail the negative effects of NINJA loans and subprime lending, and yet you don't understand equity.

How.

Are.

You.

This.

Dense?
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