Why does /g/ use NSA logic when deciding what software they and other people should use?
But I don't treat all closed-source software as potential botnets.
However, open-source software have infinitely smaller chances of being botnets. That's why I choose them.
The Constitution means jack shit. The US government doesn't even abide by it when its convenient.
Again, there are no such things as "rights." You're being fooled into thinking you have "rights" so that you won't resist oppression due to the false assurance that you are protected.
The only thing that exists is the laws of nature, where you must defend yourself tooth and nail if you want to survive. "Rights" only make you into soft, mushy complacent victims of people with more money, power, and strength than you.
I'll admit that I'm not that well-read in the classics of bullshit.
So, can someone tell me what bullshit classic he's recently read and is regurgitating here? Is this Rand or something?
>>Go out and murder someone and see how what will happen.
People can murder somebody and get away with it if they have enough money, power, and influence.
Again, "rights" don't mean anything in the real world.
>People can murder somebody and get away with it if they have enough money, power, and influence.
>Again, "rights" don't mean anything in the real world.
Go out and murder someone then and see what happens.
>>The only thing that exists is the laws of nature, where you must defend yourself tooth and nail if you want to survive. "Rights" only make you into soft, mushy complacent victims of people with more money, power, and strength than you.
This guy is telling the truth. Some of you need to grow up.
You both seem to be misinformed what rights actually are, no one has said they're some magical shield that protects you from harm.
They are a system that gives you the "tooth and nail" to better protect yourself with, it acts both as an overall deterrent and gives you a legal system and process to use when fighting for your survival.
>They are a system that gives you the "tooth and nail" to better protect yourself with, it acts both as an overall deterrent and gives you a legal system and process to use when fighting for your survival.
Except that system can be bypassed if somebody has enough money, influence, power, and resolve to get to you. Hell, even the government can do whatever they want by just telling you that you have rights and then ignoring them just so you have that false sense of security when shit goes down.
>Except that system can be bypassed if somebody has enough money, influence, power, and resolve to get to you.
And anyone can bypass your private home security - again, no one said it was perfect.
But if you wanna side step the official legal system and do it on your own I'll bid you good luck - you'll need it - it requires a lot more resources and man power to create your own sovereignty.
/g/ calls software botnets that are actually botnets
chrome sends every keystroke you type into the address bar to google.
So... have fun with not only your fallacious analogy, but your misunderstanding of the arguments you've been reading on here the whole time.
Yes, there are idiots that just randomly parrot and mutate memes in order to MAX TROLL FOR THE LULZ.
Deal with it.
Regarding uTorrent, a good piece of software that went commercial and got shit really quick with toolbar addons and other monetization bullshit.
Regarding Foobar2000, a mediocre media player that never caught on except among hipsters who have to be different from their friends, even though they aren't smart enough to use something other than a GUI executable program that they downloaded from the internet.
Both are irrelevant to my ecosystem
No, you're an idiot because you feel the need to post about not caring, proving that you do care and are also deeply insecure because not caring would actually equate to inaction rather than posting about it.
I tried it. It was mediocre unless you actually keep around MP3 collections in 2014... who does that anyway?
Also, my entire music colllection is mp4 music videos that I ripped off of youtube... otherwise... streaming services... I downloaded my first mp4 in 1996. I saw Napster as the beginning of the end.
Rights exist where other people let you have them. They do this expecting that you'll return the favor.
If you don't, they stop treating you like you have rights and throw you in jail and possibly execute you.
There you go. Rights! No god in heaven giving everyone a little badge that says "Dude, don't shoot me! I have a right to live!", just a SOCIAL CONTRACT that depends on mutual respect over all other things, because two men working together will live better and easier lives than one man and a corpse.
I don't mind the NSA preaching spying, they can preach away to their heats content, i have never objected to the NSA's right to speech, can you see how there is a difference between preaching something and forcing something on people?
>Rights! No god in heaven giving everyone a little badge that says "Dude, don't shoot me! I have a right to live!", just a SOCIAL CONTRACT that depends on mutual respect over all other things, because two men working together will live better and easier lives than one man and a corpse.
That's called a privilege. The other man is giving you the privilege of not killing you and taking your shit.
We must deny freedom by spying on people
We must protect freedom by not using non-free software
It's called freedom and /g/ likes it, unlike the NSA. Regardless of "constitution" or "rights"
Now fuck off back to your school.
typical freetard on /g/ logic
>you can use any software you want unless it is closed source because muh freedom
>you can have free speech unless it is bigoted, sexist, racist, homophobic, etc because muh political correctness.
Why are freetards on /g/ using liberal logic?
Anyone may choose to use non-free software. If you use this freedom to choose non-free software you make yourself non-free.
It's the same as saying "I have the freedom to sell myself to slavery"
>>Except we want everyone to be free to express their opinions even if they were racist , sexist etc.
You know the FSF is a liberal organization, right? You'd be kicked out for racism and sexism.
>It's racism if you refuse to hire a nigger just cause he is black, as that's an act of denying freedom.
Why can't I have the freedom not to hire niggers? What if I want MY store to be nigger free?
See? You freetards are basically Democrats.
Okay, I am not a GNU tard, but I support free software, If the FSF has as non-freedom respecting policy then I would be against that policy, but their free software policy is spot on in protecting liberty.
Better to try, at least then you can say you tried.
Please cite where they were, as people here don't seem to know what you are talking about.
There is a difference between racism and free speech. When you say anti-sexist, it means they don't want to say "women only belong in the kitchen". If a woman wants to stay in the kitchen, fine, but she has the right to work too.
yes, exactly like selling yourself into slavery... except you can walk out any time you want, and nobody tells you to do anything, and you can use it for your own personal gain with no losses, and the people "enslaving" you gain practically nothing... oh wait, it's not like slavery at all, is it?
if you're going to use a metaphor, at least make it a decent one. It's more like renting an apartment or house than anything.
>Gain practically nothing
if you use more than 20 windows computers to connect to a printer, you have to pay extra money etc.
>Except you can walk out anytime you want
Okay, I don't want to be a slave to photoshop, I want to read the source code please..oh wait.
>inb4 stop using photoshop
No, then I am enslaved since I don't have the choice to use what I want.
>Please cite where they were
>enslaved because you don't want to leave
God damn, are you really that weak willed?
I can't paint the walls to my apartment
>onoes, I'm a slave
Can't own a cat because landlord says no animals
>onoes, I'm a slave
Can't tear down the walls of my apartment because I want to check the "source code" and make sure there aren't any bugs
>onoes, I'm so enslaved
>implying I support freedom denying shit landlords
>actually liking to cuckold to other people
>SO WEAK CANT TAKE IT UP THE ASS
It seems you are the weak willed person here.
>I can't paint the walls in my apartment
I can do it just fine, I have to pay for it of course.
>Can't tear down the walls
I can, I will have to pay for it of course, otherwise I am just stealing the landlords property
>can't own a cat becoz landlord sayz so :_:
Which shithole do you live in?
I'm doing a B. IT at uni, you have no idea how many of these spergs brag about their new Arch distros and how great it is compared to Windows, and how much better it will be once they actually learn how to use it...
Just saying, I don't actually want to do any of those things, I don't care enough about the colors of my walls, and don't even want a cat, but I'm not fucking enslaved because I can't have one right now. Hell I could walk out today if I really wanted to.
But for some reason you freetards seem to think that people expecting you to pay for shit they put work in to and not wanting you to be able to look at the code and make a "different enough" version to be able to sell it yourselves qualifies as slavery when it's not even close. You guys seem to have something akin to a mental disability.
If you don't want them, don't do it. But here is the thing, if you ever changed your mind, you could, that is what's freedom.
No, most freetards don't actually do it for the money, you clearly are one of those brainwashed fanatics.
>if you ever changed your mind, you could
but I like where I am now, and if I have to leave to get a cat or paint my walls, I'm a slave.
I don't even know where you're coming from on here, I use mostly free, mostly open source software. Not because I'm afraid of some stupid "botnet" or "snowden" those software just tend to be the ones that are better for my purposes.
According to me, dumbfag, i've earn it by using encryption, not using botnet and disconnect my machine with sensitive data.
I also have gates and locks that give me rights not to get robbed.
From where i live, i even have rights to run over people, because i've earn it by bribing the right people.
What can you do about it?
Your false premise here is that you live in a free country. Yes, so you are a slave, I never said you are not. . But you don't fight it cause you are a submissive faggot who thinks being submissive is being strong willed.
Oh that's so strange, I suddenly see all the slavery around me, I'm being forced to live in my apartment and use windows, steam, and photoshop. If I ever stop, the slavedriver is going to whip me until I switch back to windows, steam, and photoshop, and if I continue to refuse, he's going to shoot me. He already has the gun to my head just in case.
Oh wait, that's not the case at all, and you're full of shit
I want to use what works. If what works happens to be proprietary, then so be it. like I said, usually it's not, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that steam, or winrar exist because I want to "make a statement" or "be free" or whatever the fuck you guys are trying to do. Those programs work, so they're what I use.
>If you try to use windows, photoshop the way microsoft and adobe doesn't want you to, you will be put in a cage. [according to the law, since they have copy"right"]
Seems like slavery to me.
>From where i live, i even have rights to run over people, because i've earn it by bribing the right people
of course you don't have any right when you live in Somalia. try moving to a civilized country
This guy is a realist. This is reality. Reality is not always pretty.
I'm not an American but..
If the constitution really is legitimate, then what about new gun laws, magazine limiations, you don't have a right to bear arms.
What about gag orders and secret subpoena's, you have no free speech.
What about Gitmo?
what way they don't want me to?
by pirating it?
You're denying them pay for something they worked hard on, seems fine to me
by digging through whatever source you can get your hands on?
I've literally never heard of someone getting jailed for digging through the source code on proprietary software. People have gotten jailed for digging through the source and then replicating it and selling it, people have gotten jailed for digging through the source replicating it and giving it away for free. People have not gotten jailed for just looking at it.
and if you really have a problem with that, go use an open source alternative. But wait, apparently you can't do that because if you use it, you're suddenly a slave and can't leave
three years in to uni. I like how your excuse for anyone disagreeing with your twisted world view is that they must be underage, though. It's so original.
pretty nice down here, no guns, things are cheap, drug laws are loose, natives still use blow dart as weapon, nature every where, fiber internet, piracy bootleg shop everywhere, prostitute is cheap, land are cheap enough to have my own farm, no pollution, google maps are still 7 years older.
But we don't spy on the users, like the NSA does.
The closed source botnets do that.
We merely advise people to ditch that because it's actually the proprietary software that is the other NSA here.
for me it has very little to do with the threat of botnets, but the adaptability of software
you can compile it with everything you need and leave things you dont want out
you can include own code or get extensions from other people. Same reason Android is so popular