>>43323696 It's because IT has become a saturated job market, too many people know too much so the bar of entry has been inflated and raised to astronomical heights. In the next 10 years I wouldn't be surprised if I saw
> Junior Desktop Support > Masters Degree + RHCE, MCSE, CCNP, All A+ certifications, Juniper Certifications, VM Certifications required > 10 years experience in the role required > Fluency in French, German, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Klingon, Elvish, Afrikaans, Korean essential for candidates to stand out among the crowd. > 16k starting
>>43323746 It's very very tough to get IT jobs without connections or experience. If you have neither, you can get experience by doing an internship. If you're not willing to do an internship, the only other way is to be an independant consultant and have a good marketing strategy.
>>43323889 I assumed he was talking about government contracting since he mentioned security clearances, so I mentioned other contracting firms. Of course working for a company pays more, but that's not what he was talking about.
>>43323863 Doesn't matter, I don't have a degree. I'm actually a CCIE and MCSE. I moved over here to be with my wife.
> Thinking life in the United States would be any better without a useless piece of paper from a dated, super expensive education model institution. > I'm not even the smartest person working in the KFC restaurant I work in. There's a masters graduate who's been here 2 years longer
>>43323889 Silicon Valley internships are some of the most competitive internships in the entire country chances are if you could land one of them you wouldn't have had problems getting a job once you graduated anyways.
I'm a NEET and struggling to get my shit together. I've been planning on going back to school and finishing my bachelors. I was a depraved pot head virgin my last two years of college and got suspended while working a ba in sociology (I fucking hated it) and want to pursue computer science. all this shit scares the hell out of me >>43323696 especially because I am going to have to fight like a dog to succeed in the math courses. should I just an hero?
>>43323929 >if you could land one of them you wouldn't have had problems getting a job
That's not true. The problem with shit tier companies is that they assume that they think experience -> skill. They want 3-5 years experience in the field and assume anyone who has that will be an asset, when in reality, they're just ending up hiring people who at one time or another had a connection or bullshit their way into a company, and dicked around for 3-5 years doing high school-level Java.
The top tier companies don't care about experience, they care about knowledge. If you can wow them with your mastery of algorithms but you've never worked a day in your life, you're in.
These companies require different skillsets to get into. Silicon Valley internships require actual computer science knowledge. Older companies like IBM, Blackberry, etc. require mastery of bullshitting interviews.
>>43324023 >Older companies like IBM, Blackberry, etc. require mastery of bullshitting interviews. Don't they have hiring managers who are competent enough to gauge a person's skill through an interview?
>>43324105 As long as you have a degree no one will ever give a fuck. Plus once you have 3+ years of experience, they'll just call your previous employers as references and probably not even bother to contact your university to confirm your degree - let alone ask what your grades were, which they would need legally need your permission to do.
If it comes up in an interview, just play it off with "Oh I'm not sure exactly, somewhere around a 3" which wouldn't be lying, it'd just be only one sigfig.
>>43324014 >math courses My university doesn't even require anything beyond Calc 2 (babbys first integral) and Linear Algebra (matrices for dummies) for CS majors.
Unless you're optimizing some algorithm or something you'll never use any math beyond basic algebra while getting your degree. The math you use will vary widely depending on where you get a job afterwards (none for boiler-plate code, extreme for stuff like 3D).
>>43324084 They really don't. But the worst thing about those companies is that the job postings themselves specify the experience, and unless your resume indicates you have that many years experience, then intothetrashitgoes.jpg.
>>43324087 Are you in a decent university? Take data structures and algorithms, and do practice problems. If you can ace the course at a university level, you can be hired at any top tier company. Their interviews (especially for internships) are basically just exams. They will give you some problem and ask you to come up with an algorithm to solve it, then write the code that implements that algorithm on a whiteboard. Then they will ask you the time and space complexity, and have you improve it. Repeat until end of interview.
Jesus Christ what do you people do with your lives?
Do you simply go take college classes and pass with average grades while doing nothing else?
Of course you will have a hard time getting a job if all you did was show up to class then go home.
Christ, its fucking easy to get experience in the field if you arnt brain dead. when not attending class or working a part time job I cobbled together a Computer Club at a shitty community college where I set up a free IT service. I fixed student laptops and put that down as experience and got an IT job before I even graduated.
Don't think that simply holding a degree means anything anymore. the only true value in going to college is networking with others in the field and working on projects that add to whatever you are studying.
The world has no use for people who have only done the required material.
>>43324014 Well as an alchoholic who majored in CS (Still lurk here cause of that) and had to rebuild his life from scratch from a DUI and other things, turned his life around in a hard science, it's possible. 2 things you should do, regardless of the knee-jerk responses around here.
1) Go to reddits getstudying and learnmath subreddit. There's good studying tips there for passing the subjects.
2) Find some time to get involved in something that gets you really engaged. Not sitting at your computer, but getting outside and seeing something you do result in a way you like. Seeing what your work will result in and how the math helps is what a lot of college majors miss, so it will help with the math.
/it;s all going to be OK anon, you just need to take sometime to get yourself finding the right path again.
>>43324187 Can I do these interviews even if I don't meet the bullshit requirements they have? I got A+'s in all my CS courses and can easily do the interview problems I always see on the internet, but all the interships in Silicon Valley require like 1 year experience in like 5 languages/hipster frameworks. Should I just lie on my resume and learn the shit before I start the internship?
Every high schooler who can write a for loop thinks they want to be a game dev. Game studios can screw over their employees with impunity, because the market is full of clueless programmers who think it will be "omg so awesome :D" to work on games all day.
>>43324014 I'm pretty much in the same boat. I didn't finish high school since I was a fucking idiot and hardly did assignments and procrastinated on important shit until it was too late. I'm 24 now and have been stuck with a low paying cashier job for the last 4 years. I don't even get to use or save up most of my money since it just goes to my parents.
I want to get my GED and go to college for CS, but I live in 'murrika and having to go into debt for something I don't know if I'll actually do well in fucking scares me. Especially when I've basically forgotten everything about math at this point, even the most basic shit like simplifying equations and plotting graphs and shit.
Would someone like me even be able to make it in college?
>COOL I CAN MAEK VIDYA! >take vidya courses >actually research the industry more >quickly realize i will be fucked with a toilet brush if I stay in this field. >being fired after a game, unable to stay at a studio longer than 5 years because they never keep code monkeys >change major to finance >much better returns.
>>43324242 I'm OK with this tho, Ever since I was I child I have loved video games and computers. And dreamed of making them. I understand that the industry can be a bit abusive to the employees but it's my passion. I love games and I love programming.
>>43324237 >all the interships in Silicon Valley require like 1 year experience in like 5 languages/hipster frameworks I've done internships at two different SV companies, and I don't think I've ever seen a list of required experience. Definitely none of that "X years of Y framework" bullshit. But then, I mostly handed out my resume at career fairs, instead of applying directly online.
>Get two interns this summer >They just graduated >Both are unpaid but were told that many interns continue on at the company into full time jobs >Boss tells me that they can only hire one and that they'll evaluate both at the end but it's essentially my pick >Both expect to get hired >One is hot I'm highly leaning towards the hot one. Both are about the same level of skill but she's very easy on the eyes, plus it would be nice to have a goddamn female in the office that isn't a 2/10. It would also look good for the company to have more females. Plus she brought donuts last week.
>>43324263 yes, go to community college and ace the classes if you aren't retarded after two years transfer to public uni, debt for a CS degree is GOOD debt. don't be mistaken. A degree will carry you to the end of your life
>>43324263 Most schools have you take placement exams to determine what your skill level is in various fields before deciding your courses for your first semester.
Just take the maximum number of credits you can without going into overload (schools normally charge you extra per credit if you overload) and line up the courses so that you fulfill as many requirements as possible. You can easily graduate in three years with a major and minor if you play your cards right, which will save you a years worth of debt.
>>43324308 >My internship advisor was complaining COMPLAINING that not enough students apply to internship program and she has to turn down companies seeking students. Why are so many CS students so stupid? You'd think it would be common knowledge that a CS degree without an internship is as worthless as a humanities degree. Hell, it's astonishing that most college students don't realize that they need to get work experience in their field while still in college to make their degree worth anything. Doesn't matter what your major is, if you don't have internship experience, you're fucked.
My university gives you paid work experience during your degree (undergrad I think), 6-12 months paid. Only requirement for a lot of the offers is that you don't have a negative GPA and have completed a few subjects.
>>43324386 >If your parents won't help by giving you time and support to study, burn their house down and get it in prison, you'll be better off in the long run. What's funny is that if it weren't for the felony conviction it would be true. Most prisons have GED programs, plus you get free rent, meals, access to a gym, and don't have to pay for any of it.
>>43324377 An unpaid internship isnjust a singal to companies that you're desperate and don't really respect yourself. If they see that on your resume, they will know that they can treat you like shit and younwon't complain.
I got a paid internship 2x minimum wage the summer after my freshman year. Still in it actually :)
Started 2 clubs in high school, joined 5 organizations in college including professional engineering fraternity, and started programming in 10th grade. Made a few games on my own, have working knowledge in 12 languages.
>>43324449 Yeah, as I've stated in numerous threads in /g/, tradeskills are extremely underappreciated. You make comparable money to a non-shit bachelor's at the end of your apprentiship, but you won't be riddled with crushing debt and would probably have made considerable money during those years, plus it tends to be a steadier job market. IT gets saturated, CS sometimes gets saturated, hell even EE sometimes get saturated. But there's always jobs out there for plumbers and electricians and mechanics.
>>43324450 This. I never realized how many people with CS degrees never do projects. My handful of hobby projects, most of which were unpolished proofs of concept, have gotten three different jobs now.
By what year do you need to have an internship in a CS degree in order to not get fucked? I'm planning on graduating in 2.5 years, and I'm starting my second this fall. I take it if I don't get one next summer I'm fucked?
I'm getting my AS in Electronic Engineering Technology and plan to do my BS in EE after. I want to start doing some internships but I don't start my education until this fall and figured I'd have to wait 1.5 to 2 years to stand a chance at getting an internship. However I was advised by my friend who is working in Aerospace engineering that I should apply immediately because companies LOVE hiring people just starting their degree and most interns are freshmen. Is this good advice? What are some good companies in Connecticut looking for electrical technicians?
I know math up through differential equations, have taken basic physics (but forgot a lot), don't know engineering or most electrical stuff, and have basic computer skills and know my hardware but don't know how to code.
Pic related is my EET curriculum, I completed all my math and most of my gen eds before I changed major to EET. I have about 2 years of this and then I either transfer immediately to a university or I work for a year or two and then go to uni.
>>43324022 I'm from Bulgaria. I sold my fucking 5 bedroom house with a swimming pool and 4 acres of land to move into a shitty American apartment and live the "city life" with my American wife because she needed to be with her family. and now WOW, we're fucking miserable.
I speak Russian, Bulgarian, English and some Turkish. I have a CCIE and a MCSE. I also worked in my fathers Auto shop since I was 13-19, and can pretty much fix any car problem.
But in America? Every single skill you have is devalued beyond comprehension and is subject to experience, how many stupid sheets of paper are in your portfolio and how you look/speak/act. not what you're actually capable of. I also miss going out and buying a cup of coffee, a sandwich and a slice of cake for 4 US Dollars. 4 fucking dollars won't even get you a decent cup of coffee in Boston.
I just wish things were different, pic related, This is the type of house I used to own. 5 bedroom miniature palace. reverse image search the image and have your mind blown as to how much your money goes in my country.
>>43324300 I basically have to give them half my paycheck every month for rent or else they threaten to kick me out. Then they usually will ask me for about $100 or so more every so often for shit and try to guilt trip me over stupid shit if I say no. Then we have these unexpected "emergencies" that pretty much empty out any savings I have. Turns out one of the "emergencies" was them wanting to go to Vegas for a week and wanted some extra cash, so you can imagine I was not too thrilled. I'm also expected to pay for internet/cable and my own groceries. And I'm making a whopping 8 bucks an hour.
I'm getting jewed hard, but not much I can do. I basically have no friends since I'm socially awkward (but good enough at "faking it" to do alright around customers and employees and shit), and any family I have is on the other side of the country, so there's no way in hell I'd be able to live with someone else.
I'm sure they'll lay off on me if I go for college, but I'm not sure if I'll even be able to do that and work my shitty minimum wage job at the same time and have it pay off.
>>43324615 An internship looks good but most people crying about unpaid internships being required for jobs are from the midwest or some shit. You can't swing a cat around here without finding someone who wants to hire a programmer. Do a project, go get a job.
>>43324653 At my community college, you have the option to collect credits to transfer, get an AA, or do both. All three tracks take about the same amount of time, so why not get an associates and then transfer?
>>43324651 I'm not graduating early to look cool. I'm doing it because jewC Berkeley charges my parents 37k a year tuition and it's starting to guilt trip me even though they kinda pushed me to go there and I was perfectly happy going to my top state school.
>>43324630 It's tough at first anon but once you make it in America you REALLY make it. Think of it as an investment. Also, tell us about that CCIE. How long did you study/how many hours? How old are you? You are in the bees knees of Cisco my friend, as someone studying for a CCNA i'm jelly. Any advice?
>>43324637 why not... move out? Straigh up, even if you can't afford an appartment strangers room together all the time. Look it up on craigslist. People who stick around their nice parents suck, you're just an idiot if your parents are assholes too.
>>43324653 Because my GPA is bad and I don't have money. There's no way I could pay the loans if I was even approved. I would get no financial aid or scholarships. This gets me a technical degree while I improve my performance at school and it has improved. I went from a 0.3 to a 2.0 within a year. I am to be over a 3.0 next year and hopefully hit my HS graduating GPA of 3.4.
I fucked myself over pretty bad. Failed year 11 at high school, and thought because I can build a PC that I should do a computer related course. what a fucking mistake that was. about 7 months into this course at a tafe, it includes windows server, some linux shit, A+ and cisco associate degree. can't stand this shit
Do companies keep like a community blacklist of people who fail they interviews? Like if I try to apply to a bunch of positions I might not really be qualified for and fail the interview, would they tell all the other companies to not bother with me?
Things that will get you on a blacklist: >a string of spectacularly bad interviews >a history of shotgun blasting resumes to every company with little to no changes Basically, showing gumption and being persistent.
>>43324731 If you think you know that first set of languages but not the second then I can tell you with certainty you don't know any language well enough to employ and no amount of technical religion will change that.
>>43324760 What the fuck do they expect me to do? Bullshit a unique 2 page cover letter about why I like this company's culutre and products and why it was my dream since my childhood to work there? I mean I'm just fucking applying to 3 month long internships, and I really couldn't care less about the specific company as long as I get a decent wage and can do stuff besides making coffee.
>>43324774 Not the poster you're replying to, but in some fields (like law) your reputation is a huge part of the hiring process. If you consistently do poorly in interviews, word will probably get around that you're not a good candidate.
Granted that's an extreme example, and in CS there's no fucking blacklist, but that might be what he was referring to.
>>43324738 most employers don't tend to waste time running smear campaigns against neckbeards, they tend to dedicate their resources towards something that at least seems like it could possibly make them money.
>>43324814 >Bullshit a unique 2 page cover letter about why I like this company's culutre and products and why it was my dream since my childhood to work there? They expect nothing less. You're playing in their domain. They set the rules.
>>43324814 I am in the exact same fucking position as you. internship starts September first and I still need to find a Jew who will take a sysadminfag. Expectations keep dropping every few weeks. I knew this point would come, I remember when I turned 19 I all of a sudden could never find a summer job again because I now was "too expensive". Had a fucking job since 14 and that shit went out of the window. These HR creatures are fucking insane.
>>43324695 Pfft. America. It's impossible to make it in America without being American and growing up American, you treat immigrants as cheap laborers and nothing more. It has been this way for over a century, ask any 1st generation immigrant.
I studied for my CCIE through manuals online and took the tests at my nearest test centre. my method of learning was simple. I studied 4 hours every day except weekends, even at work on my breaks. I breathed networking because in Bulgaria if you had leading vendor certifications you were a king. My employer at our local ISP loved that I wanted to improve myself too and would give me special permissions to build my own training labs and use them after work or on my breaks so I could get practical experience.
At KFC if you're caught reading on your break by your manager he just complains and pokes fun.
I may not have been paid as much as my American counterparts but the benefits were all there, private medical, dental, life insurance, company car, retirement plan etc. and unlike America the cost of living is so low that you don't miss anything. I was being paid 58k BGL and I could afford everything I wanted in life. new guns, new car, nice clothes, good food, great alcohol, dank weed, everything. My wife was very comfortable too, she just missed home too much.
Human Resources is a fucking retarded work. They know next to nothing about the field most of the time, rate people the same way you rate your sandwich at Subway and end up picking the last moron that walked out of the door because barely anyone met their fucktarded criteria. Why does this position even exist? Can't bosses pick their own employees? Also do they really do something else outside hiring, firing and the ocassional court-mandated payment discount?
>>43324867 >It's impossible to make it in America without being American and growing up American, you treat immigrants as cheap laborers and nothing more This is simply not true anon. Companies in America prioritize skill above all. If you truly are competent, well spoken, and speak good English employers do not care where you were born. As someone who's worked at an investment bank in NYC who has seen many people like you, we don't hire enough Americans.
>>43324913 I'm 25. There are few 25 year olds with an MCSE and CCIE. Most are 40 and bald. The problem with America is that your companies treat your employees like cattle, all of you are expendable and replaceable with a fresh, green dipshit who will work for nothing and be grateful for the chance to do so.
>>43324925 I've been here 2 years and only 4 interviews. You typically only see 4-6 ads that don't require a CS degree per month, and always in the preferred field you will see a CS degree. So I'm hardly ever even on the interview pile.
It's hard to succeed in a city that has MIT in the fucking centre of it.
Hey, guys. I'm currently in a community college, and I plan on transferring out soon to a larger university, to work towards getting a bachelor's in CS, and I would really appreciate some help with these questions:
>When it comes to getting a job, how important is the college you graduate from? Would most employers only care about experience or GPA, or could you be denied a position because you got your degree from a mediocre state school? >How do you go about getting internships, and jobs later on? I've been told that it is important to make acquaintances with professors and other staff members who can help you get employed later on. How important is this? When you want to get an internship at a company, what things could help me the most to increase my chances of getting the position? >If shit happens and you can't complete your degree, is it difficult to find work as a software developer without a college degree? Would an individual be out of luck in this case? If not, then would open source contributions or a personal portfolio be of any value?
>HR get to hire people Is your company retarded or what? In my company, our direct leaders will interview and hire people. HR just have to prepare the paperwork after our leaders want to hire new recruits.
>>43324987 >How important is the college you graduate from? Unless it's an ivy-league or a community college (improves chances massively, decreases chances minorly, respectively) it won't really matter. >care about experience or GPA Experience yes, GPA no >denied a position because... mediocre state school No >How do you go about getting internships and jobs Apply for them >make acquaintances It'll help getting your foot in the door because you'll have job references >When you want to get an internship at a company, what things could help me Apply for positions, show up on time for the interview in a suit, don't be an assburger >Is it difficult to find work... without a college degree? At first, it'll be harder than if you had one - once you get experience, however, it won't matter >would open source contributions or a personal portfolio be of any value YES, THIS SHIT WOULD GET YOU HIRED WITHOUT A DEGREE AT ALL
From what I've encountered, connections are a massive, massive part of the industry. Do everything you can to make friends in the industry, and you'll have a much higher chance of getting opportunities thrown your way. As a college freshman, I applied to dozens of internships and received no response. I talked to a few family friends and asked for some help, and got 4 interviews within a week. Do whatever you can to get your foot in the door.
>>43323662 >Internships require you to be enrolled in College >Entry-Level jobs require 3-5 years minimum experience for something you could learn in a month >Volunteer jobs are for experience only and don't hire
>show up on time for the interview in a suit, don't be an assburger Uh oh, my social skills aren't really up to par. Are there any good books or online guides out there that would help me polish up for an interview and job environment?
>YES, THIS SHIT WOULD GET YOU HIRED WITHOUT A DEGREE AT ALL That's relieving to hear. I have quite a few unfinished projects on my github page right now. If I worked some and made them presentable, it would be a very big help to getting an internship or a job, right?
>>43325157 Polish the projects, make sure you place the link to your github prominently on your CV, put your CV on Monster, and you'll literally be getting job offers without doing anything else.
Just be relaxed and go with the flow, it's not like if you mess up the interview you're going to die. Plus you can fuck up one or two, and then on the third you'll know what to expect and how to play the game.
>tfw a great thread on /g/ with a shit ton of knowledge/advice coming from people around the world thanks for almost every post in this thread bros, so much good stuff in here. we're all going to make it
>>43324326 >web app I hate the concept of making money off of web programming. But kudos to you for making a lot of money from that.
>Female fitness training camp What is that exactly? Are you like Brittany Renner going from place to place doing several day sessions teaching people how to work out and eat properly? If so, how did you get clients for that?
>>43324274 Only internships aren't really that anymore, they're the new form of slavery.
You'll bump up from that 80k/year salary to max 150k/year when you're hired as staff, and then that's it. In order to get a job in the 200k/year range you must show initiative, and to get 500k/year you need to be building your own businesses.
You don't need shit. Go to a major city, go to meet up.com, get recruiters sucking your dick for web bdev WEB DEV! Then you shit out some JS and CSS until you're full time or you move on to the next job.
Once you're steady, you can go do what you want with your career.
If you're money driven, just learn some C# and make calendar web apps for corporate America. The jobs pay at least $50k, and a CRUD app is a CRUD aoo is a CRUD app...
>>43325132 Its probably the best for you, just know that you wont ever be taken seriously for your work.
Then again you might get promoted a lot easier for having autism, I can't wait for that day you go on a killing spree because you got denied a date.
>see these threads >don't even want to join the tech industry Granted I am going to get my A+ cert and maybe a MSCIE or whatever it is, I think I will be fine being a phone bitch in the service industry.
>>43323696 Then you don't know of any. At my university [a mediocre state school], any squabbling retard can get an internship in their junior year that pays at least $20 an hour. It happens every summer to everyone. The general consensus in the department is that if you can't get a paid internship, you are officially the worst CS major. Coincidentally, we know that guy.
>>43324263 >>43324014 Don't worry, guys. I honestly don't really understand why /g/ has such a hard time with it, but anyone passionate about CS is going to get fucking paid, one way or another.
>do a unpaid internship >the company is full of stinky indians working below the minimum wage >get treated like shit >Collected all the evidence, secret video recordings each time I come in contact with the boss, contracts and ads, and contracts of other unpaid interns >gave it to all to the ombudsman for investigation >the ombudsman force the company to compensate me 10K for 5 weeks work >the company later went into liquidation and the Indians have to go home
>>43325350 >80k a year >slavery When you're making more than literally 99.9% of people in the world while in college it's not slavery by any stretch of the definition. You faggots are totally delusional. >>43325353 Lie.
that's why you always intern at the non-tech saavy places. when i was in school i did hours at a hospice and they were all so amazed at the basic shit like that i could do without thinking. like touch typing, word document formatting, etc.
it was kind of silly because i was a CS student and they didnt even have any programs or anything for me to work on. i was basically doing IT for them
>tfw no prior IT work experience >not even an A+ cert to my name >can build a high-end rig, and shit around with C >friend put my resume in at his IT place >got called within two hours of their receipt of my resume >the interview was with my actual boss, not HR >50k/year+benefits for mass imaging/migrating, and HDD removal/installation >ten hour shifts, optional overtime, plenty of free time to catch up on certs and maybe a degree in something useful
my problem with tech jobs is that im never sure if im actually a suitable candidate. i like to be confident in my abilities, and people on /g/ seem to be ok with bullshitting things that they dont understand.
i just dont want to be put into a position where i don't know what they're asking me to do. like program in a language ive never used, etc.
>>43325467 The cubicle rat ecosystem is starting to fade away along with things like the waterfall style of software development (in the general case, at least). Up in Canadaland, I'm seeing more software companies with low cube walls/no cubes, beer on fridays, small daily standups/scrum meetings, and a more vibrant atmosphere at work.
The universities in Vancouver come with programs that help you get a job during uni, but it's only mandatory for engineering students. Comp sci majors have the option to get internships, and basically everyone with 2 brain cells in the faculty will try for it because there's hardly a downside to having industry experience before grad.
>>43325560 real social connections is key unless you have a parent or friend on the inside. I know most of the people through my mom. Most of the high rankers/executives at her old job now work where she is now. The guy that interviewed her at her old job told her worked with her new boss, told new boss he liked her and she was practically hired on the spot.
A lot of her ex-coworkers went to top schools (Harvard, MIT, UIUC, UMich, Cornell, Stanford) for both undergrad and grad school and they were willing to write me rec letters. Turned most of them down because my grades and test scores were shit.
I was buddy buddy with a good number of them. My mom was loved around the office and I was always there helping out.
>barbecued on VP's apartment's roof >coworkers inviting me to watch soccer games at the bar with them
>>43325636 Make friendships with people. Start with people you know like neighbors, professors, (parents') coworkers, friends. Let them know your talents, interests, and goals. And don't let their position influence you, you never know who they might know.
>>43325387 >The general consensus in the department is that if you can't get a paid internship, you are officially the worst CS major. Oh hey, it's me. This is why I had to move back home for the summer - whoops!
>>43324389 Oh, and if it is Calc 1 or 2, let us know what exactly is messing you up. I (and I'm sure most of the anons around here) may be able to help more specifically. If not, I am pretty sure anything you are taking for a CS degree is covered by Khan academy (best resource by far) and Paul's online math notes (basically all the math lecture notes you'll ever need, google it). If you are feeling those are above your head, most likely the problem is some weakness is in your algebra, geometry, trigonometry or philosophical logic. Check khan academy until you find the underlying issue,, and then attack it 110%.
Like one anon said /sci/ can help with specific problems, though they tend to be insulted if you just use them for simple homework help you could have googled instead. Keep attacking it, I'm sure you are smart enough for this (after all you worked through the logic thinking of it), you just need to identify the weaknesses and address them.
>>43325852 If you're a graphic designer you better damn well have SOME type of experience if you want to get hired. Not to mention a supporting portfolio. Some people don't even have degrees but they have equivalent years of experience and the bullshit thing is since they were payed to do it, it means more then all the years you spent studying and all that money you payed if they actually know what they are doing.
>>43325922 This. If you love your career and/or have the time where you can build a portfolio. The beautiful thing about IT is that you can build yourself (IMPORTANT: A degree is a piece of that, do work things) to match a certain portfolio (after all it is a career field of looking for **specific** digital versions of traditional employees.) So if the artistic side of it is what attracts you, go for it, cause you never know, you may be more employable than those liberal arts college grads.
>>43325950 It's easy for me. I'm good with servers and networking (the switch and router kind, not the human kind). I really fucking hate programming and don't want to get stuck doing it for 40+ hours a week, 52 weeks a year.
That's the first time anyone has ever complimented me on here.
It's been a rough ride, and I'm trying to expand again. I've supported myself since I was 15, and I luckily had a chance to take part in a program called running start in Washington State.
I'm trying to take a break now though, it's summer and I've been working my ass off for over a year.
Looking to make some easier cash with car sales soon hopefully. I'm also getting into a relatively prestigious business school. I can make a lot of cash outside of the professional world, but with my girlfriend and I getting older I want to do some more "legitimate" work. I know owning a business is legitimate, but I want to be higher up in a big company.
>>43326065 Wow. You have no concept of what it's like to be an adult, do you? When my mom was in real estate they worked up to 100 hour work weeks depending on how crazy things got. To be completely self sufficient and successful you have to make sacrifices.
>>43326047 Well, congrats on your successes so far, man. I'm 19, and I only have about $200 to my name.
Could you elaborate a bit on your car business? Did you buy cheap used cars, fix them up, and sell them for a profit? How hard was it for you to negotiate the price of a used car low enough to still make a profit after all the repairs?
I'm actually trying to learn more about general car repair and maintenance so I can maintain my own car without having to spend lots of money at shops. So far, I can only trust myself to do routine oil changes, but I'm doing my best to learn about other types of maintenance and repairs. You are right, the used car business is still going strong, as many people are still trying to find work, and it does seem to be a great way to save up some extra cash. Thanks for the explanation, I will keep this in mind and do more research on my own as well.
>Stocks I know just a little bit about how they work, but I've never looked into investing very seriously. Don't you need a large amount of money to start off with? I am not sure if I can put in that kind of money.
>>43326707 No, if you can find a good place to start putting cash into a mutual fund, even a small amount of money is good. I know a couple hedge fund managers and they all said that their clients wished they'd started off at our age and not 40.
>>43326721 Normally, or more depending on how savvy you are. I want to start day trading while in college. (OP here). I'm trying to get the 30k together that I need to start, but I'm not sure if I want to take that risk. I have a YouTube Channel based around stock advice though.
>>43326707 Oh yeah, the hemi is a monster and super cheap if you get one of the retired police cars.
They're in immaculate shape depending on where you buy it from. I didn't even know I wanted one. I just considered it a nigger car until I realized how giant, comfortable, and powerful they are.
>>43326724 You are right about that, starting earlier would be better down the line.
I don't know much about stocks, but do you know about short-term stock trading, and if it would be a good thing to look into if you have a good amount of cash saved up?
I look at google finance and other stock info sites, and it seems that every day, there are companies whose stock prices raise by 10% - 20% overnight. Is it possible to predict these raises in price beforehand, and buy right before they go up? It seems to be a very fast way to get more money, but obviously very risky as well.
>>43326892 >>43326916 Alright, thanks for the explanation. It's getting really late here, and I'm going to hit the sack now, but I'll listen to your recording once more when I wake up and shoot you an email.
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