Welcome: Amiga, DOS/Windows PCs (nothing after 2000 plz), 8-bit computers, workstations, whatever
Not welcome: One-liner nostalgia shitposting, trolling, general autism, and computers made after 2000
I used to rock an Amiga 600 (1MB RAM woooo), Master System and Game Boy. Amiga had some of my favourite moments though. Lemmings ate up much of my life.
Wish I'd have been exposed to Octomed back then. I would've loved that shit, I reckon.
Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of
Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)
Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)
pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems
IRC: #/g/retro on irc.rizon.net
I'm actually okay with the OP of this thread, for this thread.
I was going to post that OP anyway - I think it makes a nice "example hardware list" even if it doesn't get into the actual first post. Please don't let this start another argument over the OP post, we can make another in 290 posts.
With that out of the way, what does /retro/ think of LGR's videos?
I like his hardware videos, and his general coverage of software (the simcity educational edition comes to mind.) though he seems to cover a lot more modern games now, there's a reasonable amount of old computer videos in there.
I am really diggin his recent "Thrifts" series. It's like iIm watching a show about myself
Just going out on a limb here, but maybe it's because it's a good copypasta that gets to the point and encourages a good thread about retrocomputing, rather than a "nostalgia sperglord shitposting general" thread.
fuck computer nostalgia
shit used to be SHIT
>buy a $800 SCSI scanner
>Get a SCSI interface card
>plug everything together
>spend the next 5 years in the device manager trying to load a driver
yeah, nostalgia shitposting is nostalgia shitposting for a reason.
>I really wish I was born earlier so I could experience computers in the '90s!
No, no you don't.
>being stuck on a 15-year-old secondhand 8-bit or destitute 386SX, provided your family even had a computer
>paying hundreds of dollars for software
>tfw you finally get the device working and 10 seconds into a scan or print operation you get one of these
>everything seems to be working
>no, wait, hard drive is corrupted to shit
At least IDE has the decency to let you know you're doing it wrong before you can fuck up.
>No, no you don't.
I lived through the nineties and used computers before there was an internet and it was pretty cool. It's short sighted to dismiss it as a time of crappy hardware and software, we didn't know it was crappy then, it was state of the art. I had a good time and do get nostalgic for old hardware, which is why I collect it now. The world was a different place, and wasn't dependent on technology like it is now. PC's were a luxury item, like having a game console, you did very little practical work on them and you still went to the library when you wanted to know something.
>The world was a different place, and wasn't dependent on technology like it is now
This is pretty true, I mostly just see it this way because I collect enterprise gear and there was no way any of us would be getting that back then. Shit was sky-high expensive back then.
some of my windows catalogs don't have a single piece of actual software for under $100
The Model 60 and 80 are similar, but the former has a 286 while the latter uses a 386DX.
How do you guys deal with the fact that properly working floppy disks and drives for non-IBM compatibles are increasingly hard to come by? Is there some random backwoods online shop manufacturing and selling handfuls of new disks for machines like C64 or classic Mac or do you just hold on to the ones you have and pray they continue to work?
Computers that use standard soft-sector MFM controllers like the TRS-80 can be retrofitted with ordinary 3.5" drives.
How does this work exactly? Are you replacing the disk controller with some device that presents the same interface to the system while also being able to move files onto the emulated disk from a PC?
While we're at it, how do you go about moving data between an IBM compatible PC and something with a different floppy disk format? I spotted a C64 and a Mac Plus on Craigslist recently but they wouldn't be too useful if I couldn't download software then use something to put it onto disks that the machines can accept
>Are you replacing the disk controller with some device that presents the same interface to the system while also being able to move files onto the emulated disk from a PC?
>While we're at it, how do you go about moving data between an IBM compatible PC and something with a different floppy disk format? I spotted a C64 and a Mac Plus on Craigslist recently but they wouldn't be too useful if I couldn't download software then use something to put it onto disks that the machines can accept
Commodores and Apples use a totally alien disk format that PCs can't read at all, but other stuff like >>43323076 has the same disks, just a different file system.
I should clarify. 5.25" double density drives cannot use high density media because the drive heads have insufficient read/write current, but there's much less difference with 3.5" drive mechanisms. DD 3.5" drives lack the density selector pin and the bit that checks for the hole in the disk (which determines the media type) but AFAIK those are the only differences.
Also please do not use the term "noice". It's autistic shitposting.
Mods, please don't be angry for not creating a dedicated thread in >>>/r/ because I post in a dedicated nostalgia thread.
Does anyone remember a DOS sidescroller game, not Hocus Pocus, but maybe slightly similar? Not talking about some street fighter style game. I can't remember many details, but I recall correctly:
>Unsure of this one, but the level map started from bottom of the screen displaying a few levels (castle?) until it stayed in the middle or something.
>Might have not been a very popular game
>You would cast magic and maybe pick up some items to change your skills in a level
I recall the first levels might have had something like this:____ _____
__| | | |
Sorry for shitty ASCII. p and s are pickups or something, one of them might have been more special than the other.
If you do this however, you'll need an adapter to attach the edge connectors on the cable to the pin connectors on the 3.5" drives. Also you have to set jumpers for the drive letter since TRS-80s did not use the IBM cable twist.
Once set up, you just write disks in the TRS-80's 360k format, although it would be possible with a modified BIOS/DOS to have bigger capacities like 720k (high density won't work because the controller doesn't support it)
I would be very impressed if someone made a home built floppy disk that didn't get stuck in the drive or tear to ribbons under the read head
Do they have devices like these for a wide range of old systems? Are they manufactued by some online shop or is it one of those deals where you buy the parts and DIY from a guide? If it's bought, is it terribly expensive/difficult to install? I'm assuming you just disconnect the disk controller from the motherboard and plug this in its place?
The character may have also been robotic, no idea. Don't count on me on that.
Also, a NES game with a half pipe skating and two-player gamemode? If I recall correctly, player 1 would always win in a fight against player 2 when collided.
I've got a milk crate full of floppies. I've had three different people give me their 2S2D collections when they sold off their Amigas.
Any more, though, I just create a floppy-sized RAD: and write the .adf to it. It's easier than trying to find a disk without bad sectors.
>NES game with half pipe skating
And if I recall correctly, the levels (at least the first ones, I think I played a limited shareware version) were all sidescroller runners to the right.
That's may be it, if it has two-player gamemode. Might not be it if I recall the game to be black-white colors. I don't also recall going down the streets in a sidescroller way.
>Also please do not use the term "noice". It's autistic shitposting.
No, you saying shit like this is "autistic shitposting" and that's why these threads have gotten progressively shittier as spergs like you scare everyone away from these threads.
>I spotted a C64 and a Mac Plus on Craigslist recently but they wouldn't be too useful if I couldn't download software then use something to put it onto disks that the machines can accept
There are actually a bunch of ways to transfer data back and forth between Commodores and PC's, but it does take some dedication on your part http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/crossplatform/transfer/transfer.html
I love old 8 bit Commodores, and my advice would be to buy one that comes with a pile of disks to start out, it shouldn't be too hard to find, people often sell them that way. A 64 bundled with 200 misc disks is more valuable than one bundled with a 1541 drive, which you can buy separately.
>bundled with a 1541
That reminds me, from the description of the ad and the pictures that seems to be the only accessory the C64 I saw came with. I saw what I assume was an RF connector on the back, so would I be up shit creek without a dedicated monitor or can I kinda wing it and get by connecting it to a standard CRT TV and enjoying blurry TV output?
>I saw what I assume was an RF connector on the back, so would I be up shit creek without a dedicated monitor or can I kinda wing it and get by connecting it to a standard CRT TV and enjoying blurry TV output?
Hooking it up to a TV isn't so bad, and is probably 90% of them were used without a monitor. It's only a 40 column display so even text doesn't look that bad. I never actually owned a Commodore monitor till very recently.
I'm not sure what >>43323785 is talking about, but out of the box it's RF or that DIN plug to a monitor. I understand that cable carries S-Video, but you would have to make your own connector. http://radagast.ca/C64_svideo/C64_Svideo.html
If you want the authentic 1980s C64 experience, you pretty much have to use the RF switch on a crappy tv set, ideally in a rec room with wood paneling on the walls and shag carpeting.
>Plug it into the composite output on a TV.
How exactly? It's not even a standard DIN
Exactly correct. Back to the Future and Top Gun movie posters optional.
>How exactly? It's not even a standard DIN
Goddamn, this must be the stupidest retro computer thread yet. Here's what a Commodore video cable looks like.
I wish I still had a CRT monitor but they are so big. I loved the curved screen, how it was lit from the lights, how it seemed to be 'darker' than flatscreens. I need some kind of CRT screen emulator.
>Why can't I sync my Treo 650 with my Windows 8 computer?
yeah. they were a nice joystick, the the mindscape powerplayer 'pistol grip' ones were so much better, imo. using that for speed games like track and field you would become godlike.
broke and rebuilt many of those growing up.
My dad had the composite cable even though he just had a TV. Reason being because his Sylvania wouldn't lock onto the Commodore's nonstandard signal so he had to use a video stabilizer box instead of the built-in RF modulator.
Nope. I shit you not.
The shitty TV I used when I was a kid didn't have composite video, so I never used that cable. As an adult, I forgot that cable ever existed. How about that.
>I understand that cable carries S-Video, but you would have to make your own connector
It's also somewhat nonstandard because the S-video standard wasn't established until the late 80s.
the cable isn't difficult to make, as the din connector isn't difficult to find and you can cut apart an existing s-video cable. there are also prebuilt cable that pop up on fleabay occasionally.
using the s-video output makes a remarkable difference in video quality.
Check out this guy's C64 project
Apparently there is a drive emulator for the 64 that uses SD cards formatted in FAT32 so you can just dump a disk image to it on a PC and then immediately pop it in to the 64 which can read it. Brilliant, but not sure if it's still available. http://www.pyrofersprojects.com/blog/1541-iii-dtv/
>Welcome: Amiga, DOS/Windows PCs (nothing after 2000 plz), 8-bit computers, workstations, whatever
>Not welcome: One-liner nostalgia shitposting, trolling, general autism, and computers made after 2000
You know you are free to go start a thread about whatever you want, shitdick. 8-bit computers are allowed.
How were commodore's PC-compatibles? Were they notable in any particular way, or were they merely average?
Do you think they had any significant effect in damaging faith in the Amiga?
That's pretty cool. That guy made another laptop from a IIGS as well
After looking this chart over, as if I was going to buy a new computer when this was printed;
the 8-bit line is shit
PC5 and PC10 are utter shit
PC20 is good if you're a poorfag
PC40 is the best one
but the Amigas BTFO the PCs
I'm a different guy
Can you tell me why you hate that guy so much? Is it because he's making new things of old hardware or what?
I just posted it because when I look for IIgs stuff, that laptop comes up a lot.
These are fucking gorgeous, too bad you would need a machine shop to reproduce those cases.
I think the most interesting thing about these is the use of CF drive emulators. It really makes practical use of these machines possible, without relying on finding 30 year old floppies without bad sectors.
I still have a joystick that uses that port. IIRC you can also use it on the Genesis and it DOES work, but it doesn't have enough buttons to play anything other than the Sonic games.
So I don't have any truly retro hardware, just some parts from around 2000 and a little after. I would still like to put Windows 9x or NT on metal.
I found an Abit AN-7 mobo but I seem to remember someone in these threads saying Windows 9x won't work properly on Nvidia Force4 chipsets... is this true?
It's more than one person.
I'm a supporter of that copypasta, but noted earlier I'm okay with this OP.
A consideration I had was that we could expand that copypasta (with cool links like the archive.org old computer magazines) and restructure it as a copypasta that is posted in every thread without necessarily being the OP post, so OP can just be "retro thread" or whatever, then anyone can post the longer copypasta.
It would seem like a way of resolving the argument over the OP and allow it to be a simple one line thing like "daily programming thread" has, while still retaining (or with the addition of links, perhaps improving) the long suggested systems list and IRC link.
Every one of these threads is filled with more arguing, trolling, and autism than actual retrocomputing content.
It's 4chan, so the trolling and autism is unavoidable, but if you want to post something pre 2000 and discuss it, then by all means go ahead. It's more than anyone else is doing for actual content.
thats whats good about /g/ -- everything but the angry autism which is everything
>pic related, something fucking old
That's an nForce2 board. Looks like there might be some frustrations.
I see a few threads like this one when I do a simple "windows 98 nforce2" search.
I think I would use that board as a sweet early xp era computer.
Thanks, you're right. It's been in the bottom of the closet for quite a while. It was a pretty decent overclocking mobo in its day, I would have to pull the heatsink off to see exactly what cpu is on there, I only remember that it's an Athlon XP.
I have an Abit NF7-s v2 here. I don't use it for anything since the damn thing sounds like an ambulance. I think there is an issue with the overheating protection. It just shuts down and sets off the PC speaker.
I have heard there are problems with that chipset on Windows 9x, yes. Why not try NT? NT 4 doesn't support some hardware but it has ran on some of my machines that were too new for 98. Plus you can stuff as much RAM as you want to and NT will use it.
Well, you had to control the tape manually if that's what you mean. We'd start loading a game off of a tape and then go outside to play ball for the half-hour it would take to load.
I'm not really sure what revision this thing is, but I don't remember overheating issues. Look at that 3rd RAM slot, you could run 1.5GB single channel like a baller.
I have no idea if that's true, I had a datasette and it worked well enough for what it was. VIC-20's and 64's had a dedicated tape input slot that required a proprietary connector (that came on the datasette), I don't remember if those were available through third parties or not.
>Every one of these threads is filled with more arguing, trolling, and autism than actual retrocomputing content
I thin the reason for that is that people get bored of mindless circlejerking.
"Wow man, that system is totally awesome!"
It's just like every other thread on this board, one or two anons contribute actual content, and then a legion of trolls respond with greentext and call them faggots.
That's why I wouldn't try and limit these threads to anything more than pre 2000 tech. There's little actual discussion as it is and the same pics of PS/2's, IMSAI's, and Amigas just get mindlessly posted over and over.
It didn't actually overheat tho. It would just shut down after a few minutes, sometimes seconds after booting. It is fine after reseating the CPU tho.
That tiny northbridge fan broke on mine, so I had to replace it with a huge blue heat sink from zalman.
I'd love to fix it so I can use it again. It works, but the overheating protection makes it unreliable. Currently has 2x256 MB and 1x512 MB in mine.
SLOT A MASTER RACE REPRESENT
My old PC has an AOpen AK72 motherboard and an Athlon 550 MHz processor. It's running Windows ME atm.
DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
that is not Slot A. That's Socket A, right? Still master race though. I wish there was a slotket just like with the Slot 1/Socket 370 one for Pentium 3s.
>Were they notable in any particular way
Not as PC's, but various bits made their way into the Amiga; the hideous A2000 case, the weird fetish for inactive 8bit ISA slots and bridgeboards, and the terrible A4000 power supply. For example.
I think that's just Mini PCI.
It runs basically all Windows since NT 4/98 up to XP fine. It even ran Vista with usable performance despite being WAY under the recommended or minimum hardware requirements.
Never mind, I checked the manual and I think it is an AMR slot. The VIA chipset seems to be compatible with everything, there are even sound drivers for NT 3.51 and possibly Windows 3.1.
the idea was so they could move FCC-restricted components onto a seperate board, negating the need to certify each mobo
that said, i have never used one or even seen anything that connects to it
Intel's fatal mistake was apparently that they forgot to ask the motherboard makers if they gave a shit.
I've also never seen anything that uses AMR. Ever. Even advertised. Even a pre-built. I believe they're a myth.
Well apparently such a thing exists (pic. related)...
My board is supposed to have two AMR slots, but mine are gone for some reason. I might as well use the PCI slots. AMR cards were mostly winmodem-crap anyways.
>buy / build $5000 state of the art gaming PC
>2 years later
>new games barely reach 15 fps on lowest settings, some won't run at all
Being a PC gamer during the 90s and early 2000s bordered on masochism (unless you were a richfag)
Things are moving now, it just seems relatively slower because the % "better" isn't much. Back then every other year had game changers whereas now we just get slightly better components.
I find those old Japanese computers really interesting, especially the X68000. It's too bad they're so obscure.
To be fair, BBS wars in the 80s were about EVERYTHING, not just computer platforms. Coke/Pepsi, McDonalds/Burger King, Nike/Adidas... It was really the first time you could argue with strangers without all that messy human empathy getting in the way of your tirade.
I have this old Gateway monitor in my closet. It's missing the stand but it should still work. I had problems last time using it with my newer computer after I upgraded to a HD 7850, but I'll give it another go then plug it in to my old Athlon machine. My LCD TV handles odd resolutions for DOS games pretty well, but it can't do them all as well as a real CRT can.
Forgot the pic. Windows 8.1 and 98 both say this monitor is a Gateway EV700B, but when I google search that model name many of the monitors are different, without the round knob on the front. This isn't a great monitor, but it's the only CRT I haven't got rid of.
It's just shadow mask. It's a fairly boring budget monitor with only VGA. I can't get it to work on my current computer through a DVI-VGA adapter and I have tried several of them. VGA works fine on other monitors and other computers work fine with this monitor, so I don't know what in particular is causing this. I would really like to find out because I want to try this older monitor with new games. This monitor was manufactured in 2001, but it is a pretty old 90s model because Windows 98 came with drivers for it.
>that is not Slot A. That's Socket A, right?
No, its Slot A, you were right the first time.
Also I'm mad jelly of the Slot A master race, I have plenty of PII's though. No Athlons. ;_;
you MUST run x86 Windows. x64 drivers were never made from them. If you had the Tungsten E w/BluetoothSD or E2 you could use a Bluetooth dongle on x64, but your best bet is to try it with a Windows XP VM.
My laptop with an AMD A8-4500M can't run ANY games without strange stuttering, and it's the only modern PC lying around that works with this monitor. I have to say that Quake 2, Hydro Thunder, Descent 3, and osu! look great before the stuttering.
It looks bretty gud on the Athlon PC though. Too bad the camera makes the colors look crappy.
I think this is a voltage related problem because a similar "HyperTransport Watchdog Timeout Error" and BSOD on the AMD Northbridge was happening to other people. Going to adjust voltage in the BIOS and see what happens.
The floppy interface is MFM. Same thing older hard drives used, only HDDs got fast enough to warrant a new faster interface (IDE) while floppies didn't.
If your machine is too modern you're going to come up empty. There are no PCI-e floppy controller cards and the only PCI floppy controller I've ever seen is a hobbyist device called a Catweasel that's designed with Amiga compatibility in mind. Also, very expensive and virtually impossible to find.
If you've got a mainboard that actually has a floppy interface, it'll only have the primary channel wired up (so no dual floppy drives for you) and may or may not even support 5 1/4" drives. Many on-board controllers will only talk to 3 1/2" drives.
That said, floptical drives do come with IDE interfaces so you could have both a 3 1/2" Superdisk drive on IDE and a 5 1/4" drive on MFM if you have appropriate motherboard support.
>If your machine is too modern you're going to come up empty. There are no PCI-e floppy controller cards and the only PCI floppy controller I've ever seen is a hobbyist device called a Catweasel that's designed with Amiga compatibility in mind. Also, very expensive and virtually impossible to find.
>If you've got a mainboard that actually has a floppy interface, it'll only have the primary channel wired up (so no dual floppy drives for you) and may or may not even support 5 1/4" drives.
Desktop motherboards all still have the hardware for serial/parallel/floppy, but it's not normally connected to anything.
>Many on-board controllers will only talk to 3 1/2" drives
This isn't a problem of the controller, it's a problem of the BIOS.
The drive type is transparent to the controller; you could even attach an 8" floppy if you wanted. That's how stuff like >>43323076 is possible. However, newer BIOSes may lack support for 5.25" drives or dual floppies.
Does anyone know of a good place to find cheap and short VGA extension cables (passthrough cable. port saver)? Cheap international shipping is important to me.
Cheapest I found (item+shipping) is this one on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121263701727
DX has nothing but cheap flimsy crap and one very cheap gender changer. I can use that one, but I don't have a suitably short VGA cable.
3 dollar cable, 40 dollar shipping. I just ordered the one from ebay. I doubt I'll miss those 14 pounds later in life.
First Voodoo2. Never had a 3D accelerator during the 90s. I'm guessing I'll be disappointed by how low the framerates were back then. I never seemed to care about that stuff when I was growing up tho.
I'm fine with the low polycount and bad textures. I just want smooth and responsive gameplay.
Most games play fine at 800x600x32 on my system now, but I remember I played the same games at 1024x768x32 on a weaker system when I was a teenager. Didn't know about bad PAL ports either back then. I was fine playing slowed down games with squished aspect ratios.
Well, inspired by these threads, I put together a P3 machine (the oldest hardware I had) out of old parts, cleared a space on my desk for it, and installed 98SE. I spent a week tracking down the best games for Windows from 1995 - 1998, and now I'm finally going to try them out, (after transferring almost 20GB over USB 1.1). If anyone is interested in any of these titles, make a request and I'll upload a torrent for you.
I do have a question regarding networking- where my desk is in my apartment, I don't have an ethernet cable long enough to reach it. Is it possible somehow to connect the 98 box through it's NIC to another machine over here that is connected to the router wirelessly? I have a laptop running Windows 8.1 / Xubuntu, a P4 Optiplex running XP / Lubuntu, and another Pentium M laptop running Lubuntu, all with working wireless connections.
I'm reinstalling 98 SE on my Athlon computer because of issues with some DOS games on ME. You may be able to do that through Windows Internet Connection Sharing with 98 SE and one of your Windows machines, but I don't use it and I don't really know how it works. Maybe another anon can explain. If you get your network going, maybe we could play multiplayer on our retro machines.
Simply look up sharing your internet connection through a specific adapter. I have a single Ethernet port on my computer and a WiFi card. I connect to my router via WiFi and run a regular Ethernet cable from it to my iMac G3, sharing the connection to it.
To people with treos:
Has anyone had any weird mms issues with it? It takes people like 30 minutes to get my mms messages, and the only thing I can think of that would be causing it would be the lack of apn settings that I'm used to(mms port, etc; all I see in mms network settings is mms gateway which my provider doesn't give out I don't believe, and mmsc which I've set).
Some wireless access points can connect to an existing wireless network so ethernet devices without wifi can still be a part of your lan.
My plain vanilla airport extreme can do that, and I know the cheaper express can do that too. I'd say most brands have APs with a feature like that. I don't know what they call it tho. They're practical for computers where wifi is either unsupported or is just hard to work with.
I'm going to give that a go, I've heard of the connection sharing before but never actually tried it. Just running an ethernet cable from one nic to another doesn't sound like something that would work.
I would be down with some multiplayer games if I can get everything to work. Not exaggerating, every single thing I have tried on the 98 box so far has failed. From installing games, to getting a virtual CD drive working, and even the fucking mouse I'm using stops being recognized every 5 minutes or so until I unplug it and plug it back in again. Anyone who has ever called Linux a timesink os has never fucked around with 9x.
I have an old Belkin 54G router that I tried that with. I spent an entire afternoon messing with that and never got it to work. The problem is wireless bridging isn't exactly a standard, it's just a general guideline so one manufacturer of ap won't necessarily work with another.
iMac anon here again, sharing your connection (at least from win7) is extremely easy and it also puts your box in your LAN so you can actually talk to other boxes connected to your router. I can pull files from my home FTP directly from the Mac, even on OS 9.
98 SE takes me a while but usually not that long. Installing networking and USB storage drivers helps the transfer of files a lot. I have my normal PC hooked up to my LCD TV. via HDMI but there are speaker and VGA cables plugged in to it so I can quickly swap with my older machine. It doesn't look as good as a CRT does playing DOS games, but it handles pretty much any resolution those games will throw at it.