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Welcome: Amiga, DOS/Windows PCs (nothing after 2000 plz), 8-bit computers, workstations, whatever
Not welcome: One-liner nostalgia shitposting, trolling, general autism, and computers made after 2000
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i think i played that game
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>>43320886
This thread came first. Ignore >>43320923
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>>43320886
You can't delete threads on /g/ anymore. Go complain to Moot.
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I used to rock an Amiga 600 (1MB RAM woooo), Master System and Game Boy. Amiga had some of my favourite moments though. Lemmings ate up much of my life.

Wish I'd have been exposed to Octomed back then. I would've loved that shit, I reckon.
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>>43320973
Yes you can. Just not after 10 minutes.
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This thread is one-liner nostalgia shitposting.
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>>43320721
REAL OP:
Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of

Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)

Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)

pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems

IRC: #/g/retro on irc.rizon.net
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>>43321062
Of course.
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>>43321039
I'm actually okay with the OP of this thread, for this thread.
I was going to post that OP anyway - I think it makes a nice "example hardware list" even if it doesn't get into the actual first post. Please don't let this start another argument over the OP post, we can make another in 290 posts.
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With that out of the way, what does /retro/ think of LGR's videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fkT0H-RQd4
I like his hardware videos, and his general coverage of software (the simcity educational edition comes to mind.) though he seems to cover a lot more modern games now, there's a reasonable amount of old computer videos in there.
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No idea why autists keep trying to force this shitty copypaste on everyone.
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>>43321099

because the pasta you keep using looks like shit and excludes platforms/rules/the IRC
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>>43321083
>LGR
mah nigga

I am really diggin his recent "Thrifts" series. It's like iIm watching a show about myself

>>43321099
Just going out on a limb here, but maybe it's because it's a good copypasta that gets to the point and encourages a good thread about retrocomputing, rather than a "nostalgia sperglord shitposting general" thread.
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fuck computer nostalgia

shit used to be SHIT

>buy a $800 SCSI scanner
>Get a SCSI interface card
>plug everything together
>nothing works
>spend the next 5 years in the device manager trying to load a driver
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>>43321210
oh man i know that feel.
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>>43321210

yeah, nostalgia shitposting is nostalgia shitposting for a reason.

>I really wish I was born earlier so I could experience computers in the '90s!

No, no you don't.

>being stuck on a 15-year-old secondhand 8-bit or destitute 386SX, provided your family even had a computer
>paying hundreds of dollars for software
>shitty internet
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>>43321210
>tfw you finally get the device working and 10 seconds into a scan or print operation you get one of these
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>>43321210
>SCSI termination
>everything seems to be working
>no, wait, hard drive is corrupted to shit
At least IDE has the decency to let you know you're doing it wrong before you can fuck up.
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>>43321296
>No, no you don't.

I lived through the nineties and used computers before there was an internet and it was pretty cool. It's short sighted to dismiss it as a time of crappy hardware and software, we didn't know it was crappy then, it was state of the art. I had a good time and do get nostalgic for old hardware, which is why I collect it now. The world was a different place, and wasn't dependent on technology like it is now. PC's were a luxury item, like having a game console, you did very little practical work on them and you still went to the library when you wanted to know something.
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>>43321296
>paying hundreds of dollars for software
>implying MS Office has gotten any cheaper in the last 20 years
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>>43321296
Hard to set up, Windows 3.x had numerous hardware incompatibilities, etc.
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>>43321527

>The world was a different place, and wasn't dependent on technology like it is now

This is pretty true, I mostly just see it this way because I collect enterprise gear and there was no way any of us would be getting that back then. Shit was sky-high expensive back then.

>>43321534

some of my windows catalogs don't have a single piece of actual software for under $100
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So...

PC-98?
Sharp X86?
FM Towns?
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>>43321527
I remember doing shit besides reloading 4chan and playing video games. My life got a lot less varied after I got an internet connection at home in 2003-2004.
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>>43321684
Same
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>>43322243
>Same
Fag.
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>>43322250
>Fag

Same
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>>43321607
With all that, it was no wonder everyone pirated everything back then.
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The Model 60 and 80 are similar, but the former has a 286 while the latter uses a 386DX.
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>>43322452
Left one appears to have a tape drive.
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How do you guys deal with the fact that properly working floppy disks and drives for non-IBM compatibles are increasingly hard to come by? Is there some random backwoods online shop manufacturing and selling handfuls of new disks for machines like C64 or classic Mac or do you just hold on to the ones you have and pray they continue to work?
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>>43323025
I'm looking into one of those diskette emulators. Will most likely eventually pick one up, and then might pick up additionals if it works great.
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>>43323025
Computers that use standard soft-sector MFM controllers like the TRS-80 can be retrofitted with ordinary 3.5" drives.
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>>43323025
???

All my retro PCs are from the mid to late 90s so fuck do I know about Commodore shit.
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>>43323067
How does this work exactly? Are you replacing the disk controller with some device that presents the same interface to the system while also being able to move files onto the emulated disk from a PC?

While we're at it, how do you go about moving data between an IBM compatible PC and something with a different floppy disk format? I spotted a C64 and a Mac Plus on Craigslist recently but they wouldn't be too useful if I couldn't download software then use something to put it onto disks that the machines can accept
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>>43323132
>Are you replacing the disk controller with some device that presents the same interface to the system while also being able to move files onto the emulated disk from a PC?

http://dreher.net/?s=projects/CFforAppleII&c=projects/CFforAppleII/main.php

>While we're at it, how do you go about moving data between an IBM compatible PC and something with a different floppy disk format? I spotted a C64 and a Mac Plus on Craigslist recently but they wouldn't be too useful if I couldn't download software then use something to put it onto disks that the machines can accept

Commodores and Apples use a totally alien disk format that PCs can't read at all, but other stuff like >>43323076 has the same disks, just a different file system.
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>>43323076
why dont they make computers like this with a built in keyboard anymore ;_;
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>>43323179
They're called laptops.
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>>43323179
>why dont they make computers like this with a built in keyboard anymore ;_;

Not welcome: One-liner nostalgia shitposting, trolling, general autism
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>>43323186
>flimsy little piece of plastic shit vs. that fucking tank of an all-in-one computer
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>>43323228
They built computers like tanks back then because there wasn't a better way to do it. Plastic molding has come a long way since the 80s.
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>>43323186
>>43323221

That wasn't any of those, so fuck off.
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>>43323025
>or classic Mac

Eh? You can use any old 1.44MB disks in those.
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>>43323271

Nope, they used 400K and 800K disks until the SuperDrives came out with Mac IIs, all compact Macs before the Classic were 800/400K only.
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>>43323302
I meant you can format most 1.44MB disks in there and they'll work just fine. They don't really need special disks.
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>>43323332

Do they? I've never tried it before.

That would be fucking noice.
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>>43323344
I should clarify. 5.25" double density drives cannot use high density media because the drive heads have insufficient read/write current, but there's much less difference with 3.5" drive mechanisms. DD 3.5" drives lack the density selector pin and the bit that checks for the hole in the disk (which determines the media type) but AFAIK those are the only differences.

Also please do not use the term "noice". It's autistic shitposting.
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>>43323025
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>>43323302
Also applies to Amigas. I would assume all the Amigafags out there just use 1.44MB media with their hardware.
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>>43323411
It would probably be possible to make your own homemade floppies. They're just a Mylar sheet with iron oxide powder and adhesive.
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Mods, please don't be angry for not creating a dedicated thread in >>>/r/ because I post in a dedicated nostalgia thread.
Does anyone remember a DOS sidescroller game, not Hocus Pocus, but maybe slightly similar? Not talking about some street fighter style game. I can't remember many details, but I recall correctly:

>Unsure of this one, but the level map started from bottom of the screen displaying a few levels (castle?) until it stayed in the middle or something.
>Sidescroller (360?)
>Might have not been a very popular game
>DOS
>Castle-like levels?
>You would cast magic and maybe pick up some items to change your skills in a level

I recall the first levels might have had something like this:
            ____      _____
__| | | |
__| |
----|_____p________s__|


Sorry for shitty ASCII. p and s are pickups or something, one of them might have been more special than the other.
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>>43323076
If you do this however, you'll need an adapter to attach the edge connectors on the cable to the pin connectors on the 3.5" drives. Also you have to set jumpers for the drive letter since TRS-80s did not use the IBM cable twist.

Once set up, you just write disks in the TRS-80's 360k format, although it would be possible with a modified BIOS/DOS to have bigger capacities like 720k (high density won't work because the controller doesn't support it)
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>>43323438
I would be very impressed if someone made a home built floppy disk that didn't get stuck in the drive or tear to ribbons under the read head

>>43323411
Do they have devices like these for a wide range of old systems? Are they manufactued by some online shop or is it one of those deals where you buy the parts and DIY from a guide? If it's bought, is it terribly expensive/difficult to install? I'm assuming you just disconnect the disk controller from the motherboard and plug this in its place?
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>>43323480
The character may have also been robotic, no idea. Don't count on me on that.

Also, a NES game with a half pipe skating and two-player gamemode? If I recall correctly, player 1 would always win in a fight against player 2 when collided.
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>>43323438
I've got a milk crate full of floppies. I've had three different people give me their 2S2D collections when they sold off their Amigas.

Any more, though, I just create a floppy-sized RAD: and write the .adf to it. It's easier than trying to find a disk without bad sectors.
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>>43323503
>NES game with half pipe skating
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>>43323498
http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/
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>>43323498
The Apple II one I linked is just a card that replaces the Disk II controller and accommodates a CF card.
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>>43323480
And if I recall correctly, the levels (at least the first ones, I think I played a limited shareware version) were all sidescroller runners to the right.

>>43323527
That's may be it, if it has two-player gamemode. Might not be it if I recall the game to be black-white colors. I don't also recall going down the streets in a sidescroller way.
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>>43323518
>I've had three different people give me their 2S2D collections

What is 2S2D?
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>>43323579
Double-Sided, Double-Density.
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>>43323589
Oh well, as I said you should be able to use 1.44MB disks on Amigas anyway.
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>>43323628
The later models had HD drives but 99% of the software and games we traded were on DD. I don't think I've ever seen an .adf file that wasn't a 2S2D image.
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>>43323657

>>43323386
>>43323332
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>>43323386

>Also please do not use the term "noice". It's autistic shitposting.

No, you saying shit like this is "autistic shitposting" and that's why these threads have gotten progressively shittier as spergs like you scare everyone away from these threads.

Fuck off.
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>>43323706
Pot, kettle, black.
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>>43323132
>I spotted a C64 and a Mac Plus on Craigslist recently but they wouldn't be too useful if I couldn't download software then use something to put it onto disks that the machines can accept

There are actually a bunch of ways to transfer data back and forth between Commodores and PC's, but it does take some dedication on your part http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/crossplatform/transfer/transfer.html

I love old 8 bit Commodores, and my advice would be to buy one that comes with a pile of disks to start out, it shouldn't be too hard to find, people often sell them that way. A 64 bundled with 200 misc disks is more valuable than one bundled with a 1541 drive, which you can buy separately.
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>>43323709

>s-stop using that term I don't like!

you're on 4chan, you fucktard
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>>43323718
>bundled with a 1541
That reminds me, from the description of the ad and the pictures that seems to be the only accessory the C64 I saw came with. I saw what I assume was an RF connector on the back, so would I be up shit creek without a dedicated monitor or can I kinda wing it and get by connecting it to a standard CRT TV and enjoying blurry TV output?
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>>43323772
Eh? You can connect the composite output to any TV; you're not forced to use the shitty RF.
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>>43323772
>I saw what I assume was an RF connector on the back, so would I be up shit creek without a dedicated monitor or can I kinda wing it and get by connecting it to a standard CRT TV and enjoying blurry TV output?

Hooking it up to a TV isn't so bad, and is probably 90% of them were used without a monitor. It's only a 40 column display so even text doesn't look that bad. I never actually owned a Commodore monitor till very recently.

I'm not sure what >>43323785 is talking about, but out of the box it's RF or that DIN plug to a monitor. I understand that cable carries S-Video, but you would have to make your own connector. http://radagast.ca/C64_svideo/C64_Svideo.html
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>>43323905
>or that DIN plug to a monitor.
That's what I meant. Plug it into the composite output on a TV.
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>>43323785
>>43323772
If you want the authentic 1980s C64 experience, you pretty much have to use the RF switch on a crappy tv set, ideally in a rec room with wood paneling on the walls and shag carpeting.
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>>43323923
>Plug it into the composite output on a TV.

How exactly? It's not even a standard DIN

>>43323930
Exactly correct. Back to the Future and Top Gun movie posters optional.
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>>43323930
>ideally in a rec room with wood paneling on the walls and shag carpeting

I think you're about 10 years too late for that.
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>>43323930
What was that joystick in the lower right called? It was made by Epyx, wasn't it?
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>>43323961
>How exactly? It's not even a standard DIN

Goddamn, this must be the stupidest retro computer thread yet. Here's what a Commodore video cable looks like.

Yellow=composite video
Red=chroma
Black=luminance
White=sound
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>>43322311
>>43322452
those power switches had the best feel to them.
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Why can't I sync my Treo 650 with my Windows 8 computer?
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>>43323253
ever use a zx spectrum keyboard?
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>>43320721
I wish I still had a CRT monitor but they are so big. I loved the curved screen, how it was lit from the lights, how it seemed to be 'darker' than flatscreens. I need some kind of CRT screen emulator.
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>>43324010
HAHAHA richfag. having never connected a commie to anything other than a shitty crt tv, I have never seen that cable before in my life.
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>>43324060
>Why can't I sync my Treo 650 with my Windows 8 computer?

Please help
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>>43324092
You've never even connected it to the composite output on the TV?
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>>43323998
yeah. they were a nice joystick, the the mindscape powerplayer 'pistol grip' ones were so much better, imo. using that for speed games like track and field you would become godlike.
broke and rebuilt many of those growing up.
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>>43320721
I used to own an IBM 486 with DOS as my first PC. When 3.1 came out and my dad put it on there I was gutted. Fucking windows.
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>>43324092
My dad had the composite cable even though he just had a TV. Reason being because his Sylvania wouldn't lock onto the Commodore's nonstandard signal so he had to use a video stabilizer box instead of the built-in RF modulator.
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>>43324168
Not welcome: One-liner nostalgia shitposting, trolling, general autism
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>>43324134
Nope. I shit you not.

The shitty TV I used when I was a kid didn't have composite video, so I never used that cable. As an adult, I forgot that cable ever existed. How about that.
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>>43323905
>I understand that cable carries S-Video, but you would have to make your own connector

It's also somewhat nonstandard because the S-video standard wasn't established until the late 80s.
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>>43323905
the cable isn't difficult to make, as the din connector isn't difficult to find and you can cut apart an existing s-video cable. there are also prebuilt cable that pop up on fleabay occasionally.

using the s-video output makes a remarkable difference in video quality.
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Check out this guy's C64 project
http://benheck.com/04-05-2009/commodore-64-original-hardware-laptop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AwfyBzeidk#t=84

Apparently there is a drive emulator for the 64 that uses SD cards formatted in FAT32 so you can just dump a disk image to it on a PC and then immediately pop it in to the 64 which can read it. Brilliant, but not sure if it's still available. http://www.pyrofersprojects.com/blog/1541-iii-dtv/
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>>43324483
get the fuck out of this thread you cum burping gutter whore from the future
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>>43324510

>Welcome: Amiga, DOS/Windows PCs (nothing after 2000 plz), 8-bit computers, workstations, whatever

>Not welcome: One-liner nostalgia shitposting, trolling, general autism, and computers made after 2000
>trolling
>general autism

You know you are free to go start a thread about whatever you want, shitdick. 8-bit computers are allowed.
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>>43324192
>literally the line that made me post that

U got trold son lel
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>>43324841
bait SNATCHED
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>>43324111
I had the same problem with my Treo 650, turns out you have to be running Windows Vista or older, 7 and 8 don't work.
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How were commodore's PC-compatibles? Were they notable in any particular way, or were they merely average?

Do you think they had any significant effect in damaging faith in the Amiga?
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>>43320721
>i want to use insecure systems because it's cool
>mom look at me hax0ring
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>>43324483
That's pretty cool. That guy made another laptop from a IIGS as well
http://benheck.com/04-14-2008/apple-iigs-original-hardware-laptop/
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>>43328624
After looking this chart over, as if I was going to buy a new computer when this was printed;

the 8-bit line is shit
PC5 and PC10 are utter shit
PC20 is good if you're a poorfag
PC40 is the best one

but the Amigas BTFO the PCs
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sorry for bad english
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>>43331372
I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO STAY OUT OF THESE THREADS YOU PEBBLY ASSED SHIT SWINE
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>>43332499
I'm a different guy

Can you tell me why you hate that guy so much? Is it because he's making new things of old hardware or what?

I just posted it because when I look for IIgs stuff, that laptop comes up a lot.
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>>43332499
further content contribution, well done

liked, +1ed, subscribed
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>>43331372
These are fucking gorgeous, too bad you would need a machine shop to reproduce those cases.

I think the most interesting thing about these is the use of CF drive emulators. It really makes practical use of these machines possible, without relying on finding 30 year old floppies without bad sectors.
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>>43321039
The OP is fine, quit trying to enforce your stupid and arbitrary copypasta on a thread you didn't make.
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>>43324148
I still have a joystick that uses that port. IIRC you can also use it on the Genesis and it DOES work, but it doesn't have enough buttons to play anything other than the Sonic games.
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So I don't have any truly retro hardware, just some parts from around 2000 and a little after. I would still like to put Windows 9x or NT on metal.

I found an Abit AN-7 mobo but I seem to remember someone in these threads saying Windows 9x won't work properly on Nvidia Force4 chipsets... is this true?
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>>43333231
By extension, though, you can use Genesis d-pads on C64, Atari, Amiga et al.
B is the fire button if I remember right.
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>>43333179
It's more than one person.
I'm a supporter of that copypasta, but noted earlier I'm okay with this OP.

A consideration I had was that we could expand that copypasta (with cool links like the archive.org old computer magazines) and restructure it as a copypasta that is posted in every thread without necessarily being the OP post, so OP can just be "retro thread" or whatever, then anyone can post the longer copypasta.

It would seem like a way of resolving the argument over the OP and allow it to be a simple one line thing like "daily programming thread" has, while still retaining (or with the addition of links, perhaps improving) the long suggested systems list and IRC link.
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>>43333315
Every one of these threads is filled with more arguing, trolling, and autism than actual retrocomputing content.

It's 4chan, so the trolling and autism is unavoidable, but if you want to post something pre 2000 and discuss it, then by all means go ahead. It's more than anyone else is doing for actual content.
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>>43333404
thats whats good about /g/ -- everything but the angry autism which is everything
>pic related, something fucking old
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>>43333272
That's an nForce2 board. Looks like there might be some frustrations.

http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=20979

I see a few threads like this one when I do a simple "windows 98 nforce2" search.

I think I would use that board as a sweet early xp era computer.
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>>43333488
Thanks, you're right. It's been in the bottom of the closet for quite a while. It was a pretty decent overclocking mobo in its day, I would have to pull the heatsink off to see exactly what cpu is on there, I only remember that it's an Athlon XP.
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>>43333532
I have an Abit NF7-s v2 here. I don't use it for anything since the damn thing sounds like an ambulance. I think there is an issue with the overheating protection. It just shuts down and sets off the PC speaker.
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>>43333481
I remember reading that those commodore tape drives were inferior to a regular commercial tape machine. Was that true, or am I making stuff up?
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>>43333272
I have heard there are problems with that chipset on Windows 9x, yes. Why not try NT? NT 4 doesn't support some hardware but it has ran on some of my machines that were too new for 98. Plus you can stuff as much RAM as you want to and NT will use it.
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>>43333596
Well, you had to control the tape manually if that's what you mean. We'd start loading a game off of a tape and then go outside to play ball for the half-hour it would take to load.
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>>43333594
I'm not really sure what revision this thing is, but I don't remember overheating issues. Look at that 3rd RAM slot, you could run 1.5GB single channel like a baller.

>>43333596
I have no idea if that's true, I had a datasette and it worked well enough for what it was. VIC-20's and 64's had a dedicated tape input slot that required a proprietary connector (that came on the datasette), I don't remember if those were available through third parties or not.
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>>43331396
That's a bad comparison because the C64, Amiga, and PC line had completely different hardware and filled completely different market niches.
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>>43333596
Absolutely not. They used a digital tape format that was superior and more reliable than analog audio cassette recording.
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>>43333404
>Every one of these threads is filled with more arguing, trolling, and autism than actual retrocomputing content

I thin the reason for that is that people get bored of mindless circlejerking.

"Wow man, that system is totally awesome!"

"Brofist, bro!"

etc.
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>>43328624
>Were they notable in any particular way
Not really.
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>>43333985
It's just like every other thread on this board, one or two anons contribute actual content, and then a legion of trolls respond with greentext and call them faggots.

That's why I wouldn't try and limit these threads to anything more than pre 2000 tech. There's little actual discussion as it is and the same pics of PS/2's, IMSAI's, and Amigas just get mindlessly posted over and over.
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>>43333777
It didn't actually overheat tho. It would just shut down after a few minutes, sometimes seconds after booting. It is fine after reseating the CPU tho.

That tiny northbridge fan broke on mine, so I had to replace it with a huge blue heat sink from zalman.

I'd love to fix it so I can use it again. It works, but the overheating protection makes it unreliable. Currently has 2x256 MB and 1x512 MB in mine.
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>>43333777
SLOT A MASTER RACE REPRESENT

My old PC has an AOpen AK72 motherboard and an Athlon 550 MHz processor. It's running Windows ME atm.
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>>43334158
>Windows ME
WHY
Slap Win2k on her seriously
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>>43334158
Is that PCI Express on the far left?
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>>43334158
DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
that is not Slot A. That's Socket A, right? Still master race though. I wish there was a slotket just like with the Slot 1/Socket 370 one for Pentium 3s.
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>>43328624
>Were they notable in any particular way

Not as PC's, but various bits made their way into the Amiga; the hideous A2000 case, the weird fetish for inactive 8bit ISA slots and bridgeboards, and the terrible A4000 power supply. For example.
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>>43334182
AMR slot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio/modem_riser
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>>43334182
I think that's just Mini PCI.

>>43334178
It runs basically all Windows since NT 4/98 up to XP fine. It even ran Vista with usable performance despite being WAY under the recommended or minimum hardware requirements.
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>>43334182
No. Audio Modem Riser (AMR)

Literally the must useless slot ever invented. And I'm including VESA & Microchannel here.
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>>43334206
Never mind, I checked the manual and I think it is an AMR slot. The VIA chipset seems to be compatible with everything, there are even sound drivers for NT 3.51 and possibly Windows 3.1.
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>>43334239
the idea was so they could move FCC-restricted components onto a seperate board, negating the need to certify each mobo

that said, i have never used one or even seen anything that connects to it
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>>43334239
MCA wasn't all that useless at the time, they just made a mistake by choosing to make it proprietary.
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>>43334253
>The VIA chipset seems to be compatible with everything

Yeah it's a 686 chipset. Literally as common as blades of grass.
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>>43334278
Intel's fatal mistake was apparently that they forgot to ask the motherboard makers if they gave a shit.

I've also never seen anything that uses AMR. Ever. Even advertised. Even a pre-built. I believe they're a myth.
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>>43334291
Compared to ISA, MCA is leagues better, but still a lot harder to configure than modern buses.
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>>43334315
OH SHIT NIGGER THEY EXIST

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/140146718283

>$66
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>>43334379
well there you go
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>>43334379
How about AMR sound cards?
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>>43334479
Well apparently such a thing exists (pic. related)...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/abit-fatal1ty-an8_3.html
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>>43334315
My board is supposed to have two AMR slots, but mine are gone for some reason. I might as well use the PCI slots. AMR cards were mostly winmodem-crap anyways.
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>>43334516
That's custom socket, not AMR.
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>>43334516
that's a custom slot, it's not AMR
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>>43334526
I'm wrong. AMR isn't CNR. Same kind of bullshit I guess.
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>>43321210
>>43321296

>buy / build $5000 state of the art gaming PC
>2 years later
>new games barely reach 15 fps on lowest settings, some won't run at all

Being a PC gamer during the 90s and early 2000s bordered on masochism (unless you were a richfag)
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>>43336631
at least things were moving, and new technology was actually exciting and had obvious advantages
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>>43336631
I know; the first PC we had was a 486/66 purchased in early 95. Within two years, it could barely handle most new software.
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>>43336688
Things are moving now, it just seems relatively slower because the % "better" isn't much. Back then every other year had game changers whereas now we just get slightly better components.
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smh
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I have a Ruby iMac G3 and an Amiga 600, but that's about it.

>tfw you'll never install AGA on your shit-tier Amiga
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>>43339119
But you can still play Superfrog.
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>>43323419
A600 fag here, can confirm.
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>>43321621
I find those old Japanese computers really interesting, especially the X68000. It's too bad they're so obscure.

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/JPNcomputers/Japanesecomputers.htm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnSz-Hb9LQY#t=19m51s

/g/ in the 1980s.
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>>43340653
I really enjoyed that documentary series. A lot of those guys are really cozy.
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>>43340653
To be fair, BBS wars in the 80s were about EVERYTHING, not just computer platforms. Coke/Pepsi, McDonalds/Burger King, Nike/Adidas... It was really the first time you could argue with strangers without all that messy human empathy getting in the way of your tirade.
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Looks like it's running Rogue.
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I have this old Gateway monitor in my closet. It's missing the stand but it should still work. I had problems last time using it with my newer computer after I upgraded to a HD 7850, but I'll give it another go then plug it in to my old Athlon machine. My LCD TV handles odd resolutions for DOS games pretty well, but it can't do them all as well as a real CRT can.
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>>43342523
Forgot the pic. Windows 8.1 and 98 both say this monitor is a Gateway EV700B, but when I google search that model name many of the monitors are different, without the round knob on the front. This isn't a great monitor, but it's the only CRT I haven't got rid of.
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>>43342035
What's the oldest PC the DOS version of Nethack will run on (in text mode of course)?
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>>43342557
It's from 1987 so I guess anything.
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>>43342035
A US version of an Olivetti PC clone that used an enhanced version of CGA with 640x400 graphics.
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>>43342543
Aperture grille (like *trons) or Shadow-Mask?

Also, any other inputs besides DB-15/VGA?
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>>43343106
It's just shadow mask. It's a fairly boring budget monitor with only VGA. I can't get it to work on my current computer through a DVI-VGA adapter and I have tried several of them. VGA works fine on other monitors and other computers work fine with this monitor, so I don't know what in particular is causing this. I would really like to find out because I want to try this older monitor with new games. This monitor was manufactured in 2001, but it is a pretty old 90s model because Windows 98 came with drivers for it.
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>>43334185
>that is not Slot A. That's Socket A, right?
No, its Slot A, you were right the first time.

Also I'm mad jelly of the Slot A master race, I have plenty of PII's though. No Athlons. ;_;
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>>43343450
I meant the other guy's Abit motherboard, not my green AOpen one. Mine is definitely slot A.
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>>43343373
Of course it works with my new laptop. But I won't keep this shitty monitor around if it doesn't work with my gaming PC. I never had this problem back when I had a HD 6670.
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>>43324111
you MUST run x86 Windows. x64 drivers were never made from them. If you had the Tungsten E w/BluetoothSD or E2 you could use a Bluetooth dongle on x64, but your best bet is to try it with a Windows XP VM.
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>>43343666
My laptop with an AMD A8-4500M can't run ANY games without strange stuttering, and it's the only modern PC lying around that works with this monitor. I have to say that Quake 2, Hydro Thunder, Descent 3, and osu! look great before the stuttering.
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>>43343842
It looks bretty gud on the Athlon PC though. Too bad the camera makes the colors look crappy.
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>>43343842
many you got amds APU's right before they got good, dosen't help that, that is also one of their shitier models
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>>43342035

Fuck, I wish I had a monitor and keyboard for my 6300.

Thinking of just ebaying it so I can buy something that doesn't just sit in my hallway.
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>>43343842
I think this is a voltage related problem because a similar "HyperTransport Watchdog Timeout Error" and BSOD on the AMD Northbridge was happening to other people. Going to adjust voltage in the BIOS and see what happens.
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Anybody know good places to buy old tech? I need a FDD-cable 5.25" floppy drive (high density) and I can't tell if the ones on ebay will work with IDE.
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>>43345651
Floppy drives don't use the IDE interface.

Floppy cable = 34 wires/pins
IDE (ATA-33) cable = 40 wires/pins
IDE (ATA-133) cable = 80 wires(still 40 pins)
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>>43345645
Actually never mind, I really don't want to fuck up this machine just to use a shitty CRT monitor. Gonna put it back in the closet I guess.
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>>43345739
Ah, my bad. I guess I'll look stuff up again.
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>>43345651
>>43345739

The floppy interface is MFM. Same thing older hard drives used, only HDDs got fast enough to warrant a new faster interface (IDE) while floppies didn't.

>>43346012

If your machine is too modern you're going to come up empty. There are no PCI-e floppy controller cards and the only PCI floppy controller I've ever seen is a hobbyist device called a Catweasel that's designed with Amiga compatibility in mind. Also, very expensive and virtually impossible to find.

If you've got a mainboard that actually has a floppy interface, it'll only have the primary channel wired up (so no dual floppy drives for you) and may or may not even support 5 1/4" drives. Many on-board controllers will only talk to 3 1/2" drives.

That said, floptical drives do come with IDE interfaces so you could have both a 3 1/2" Superdisk drive on IDE and a 5 1/4" drive on MFM if you have appropriate motherboard support.
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>>43346580
>If your machine is too modern you're going to come up empty. There are no PCI-e floppy controller cards and the only PCI floppy controller I've ever seen is a hobbyist device called a Catweasel that's designed with Amiga compatibility in mind. Also, very expensive and virtually impossible to find.
>If you've got a mainboard that actually has a floppy interface, it'll only have the primary channel wired up (so no dual floppy drives for you) and may or may not even support 5 1/4" drives.

Desktop motherboards all still have the hardware for serial/parallel/floppy, but it's not normally connected to anything.

>Many on-board controllers will only talk to 3 1/2" drives

This isn't a problem of the controller, it's a problem of the BIOS.
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>>43347384
>This isn't a problem of the controller, it's a problem of the BIOS

Oh...
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>>43347422
The drive type is transparent to the controller; you could even attach an 8" floppy if you wanted. That's how stuff like >>43323076 is possible. However, newer BIOSes may lack support for 5.25" drives or dual floppies.
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Found an IBM PC110 for $30, sadly condition is meh and it doesn't have the dock. Not sure if worth it.
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>>43347512
I may be misremembering, but I think they are rare
It possibly is.

How bad is the condition? Just cosmetic damage, or missing keys,etc?
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Does anyone know of a good place to find cheap and short VGA extension cables (passthrough cable. port saver)? Cheap international shipping is important to me.

Cheapest I found (item+shipping) is this one on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121263701727

DX has nothing but cheap flimsy crap and one very cheap gender changer. I can use that one, but I don't have a suitably short VGA cable.
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>>43347616
Cosmetic damage - missing paint on the top, to be exact. Other than that, it boots and works fine, everything is functional.
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>>43347869
If you can't find another one cheaper, I'd certainly go for it.
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>>43347960
PC110s are rare, I could either miss out on this auction and wait for a potentially better offer or go with this one.
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>>43347626
Have you checked monoprice?
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>>43348989
3 dollar cable, 40 dollar shipping. I just ordered the one from ebay. I doubt I'll miss those 14 pounds later in life.

First Voodoo2. Never had a 3D accelerator during the 90s. I'm guessing I'll be disappointed by how low the framerates were back then. I never seemed to care about that stuff when I was growing up tho.
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>>43349541
>based risc os 3
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>>43349285
I think you'll be more disappointed by the poly count than the framerate.
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>>43349624
I'm fine with the low polycount and bad textures. I just want smooth and responsive gameplay.

Most games play fine at 800x600x32 on my system now, but I remember I played the same games at 1024x768x32 on a weaker system when I was a teenager. Didn't know about bad PAL ports either back then. I was fine playing slowed down games with squished aspect ratios.
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>>43350414
>tfw back then i had no idea that Ocarina of Time ran at 17 fps in PAL regions and 21 on NTSC
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Well, inspired by these threads, I put together a P3 machine (the oldest hardware I had) out of old parts, cleared a space on my desk for it, and installed 98SE. I spent a week tracking down the best games for Windows from 1995 - 1998, and now I'm finally going to try them out, (after transferring almost 20GB over USB 1.1). If anyone is interested in any of these titles, make a request and I'll upload a torrent for you.

I do have a question regarding networking- where my desk is in my apartment, I don't have an ethernet cable long enough to reach it. Is it possible somehow to connect the 98 box through it's NIC to another machine over here that is connected to the router wirelessly? I have a laptop running Windows 8.1 / Xubuntu, a P4 Optiplex running XP / Lubuntu, and another Pentium M laptop running Lubuntu, all with working wireless connections.
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>>43351113
I'm reinstalling 98 SE on my Athlon computer because of issues with some DOS games on ME. You may be able to do that through Windows Internet Connection Sharing with 98 SE and one of your Windows machines, but I don't use it and I don't really know how it works. Maybe another anon can explain. If you get your network going, maybe we could play multiplayer on our retro machines.
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>>43351113
Simply look up sharing your internet connection through a specific adapter. I have a single Ethernet port on my computer and a WiFi card. I connect to my router via WiFi and run a regular Ethernet cable from it to my iMac G3, sharing the connection to it.
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To people with treos:
Has anyone had any weird mms issues with it? It takes people like 30 minutes to get my mms messages, and the only thing I can think of that would be causing it would be the lack of apn settings that I'm used to(mms port, etc; all I see in mms network settings is mms gateway which my provider doesn't give out I don't believe, and mmsc which I've set).
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The original Descent is a lot of fun on my Windows 98 PC, a much more exciting action game than Doom. Plus it would run on a 386 with the settings turned down.
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>>43357043
Dammit. I have a 286 bridgeboard and everything, but I didn't get the 5.25" DOS disk so it just sits there waiting for me to get my shit together.
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>>43351113
Some wireless access points can connect to an existing wireless network so ethernet devices without wifi can still be a part of your lan.

My plain vanilla airport extreme can do that, and I know the cheaper express can do that too. I'd say most brands have APs with a feature like that. I don't know what they call it tho. They're practical for computers where wifi is either unsupported or is just hard to work with.
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>>43357043
>A1060

Holy shit.
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>>43354542
>>43354614
I'm going to give that a go, I've heard of the connection sharing before but never actually tried it. Just running an ethernet cable from one nic to another doesn't sound like something that would work.

I would be down with some multiplayer games if I can get everything to work. Not exaggerating, every single thing I have tried on the 98 box so far has failed. From installing games, to getting a virtual CD drive working, and even the fucking mouse I'm using stops being recognized every 5 minutes or so until I unplug it and plug it back in again. Anyone who has ever called Linux a timesink os has never fucked around with 9x.

>>43357336
I have an old Belkin 54G router that I tried that with. I spent an entire afternoon messing with that and never got it to work. The problem is wireless bridging isn't exactly a standard, it's just a general guideline so one manufacturer of ap won't necessarily work with another.
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>>43357658
iMac anon here again, sharing your connection (at least from win7) is extremely easy and it also puts your box in your LAN so you can actually talk to other boxes connected to your router. I can pull files from my home FTP directly from the Mac, even on OS 9.
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>>43357394
It's not mine, just a pic I found somewhere.
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>>43358409
Compaq 8086 machines took a few liberties with the IBM standard (namely the video), but this bugger is a pretty much vanilla AT clone.
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>>43358461
That's a GIF viewer program; it can display any GIFs small enough to fit into the Apple II's memory
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>>43358630
>>43358461
They probably exist for the Commodore 64 as well, but I'd imagine the C128 would be superior because of its larger memory size.
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Faggot little pussy nigger bitches

Can't get no pussy so you on the old computers huh lmao
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>>43357658
98 SE takes me a while but usually not that long. Installing networking and USB storage drivers helps the transfer of files a lot. I have my normal PC hooked up to my LCD TV. via HDMI but there are speaker and VGA cables plugged in to it so I can quickly swap with my older machine. It doesn't look as good as a CRT does playing DOS games, but it handles pretty much any resolution those games will throw at it.
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