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Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of

Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)

Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)

pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems

IRC: #/g/retro on irc.rizon.net
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what exactly is windows 2000?
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>>43298347
idk its fly old
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>>43298347
The best OS MS ever created.
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>>43298383
rly
damn
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>>43298393
i dunno anon. I havn't heard of it, so it must not be that great.
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>>43298404
Wait, are you actually asking what Windows 2000 is? Are you that young? Even if you are, that doesn't excuse you not knowing about it in the same way you should learn about the Spectrum, Commodore and Amstrad computers if you don't know what they are.
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>>43297987
I want to learn to make games for mame, but I would like just a compiler that spits out a mame ready image.

Is this possible?
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This thread is off to a good start. /g/ is cancer
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>>43298427
MAME is an emulator of various arcade systems.
You would have to make it for a platform that is being emulated.
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>>43298426
I'm an adult anon. I konw about spectrum, commodore, and amstrant, but never heard of windows 2000 before.
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>>43298427
I don't know a single thing about programming for MAME but bear in mind MAME stands for "Multiple arcade machine emulator", so it actually it is many emulators in one.

You should first choose which platform to target, although I'm pretty sure you won't find many SDKs (if any).

>>43298458
OK then. Windows 2000 was the successor to Windows NT 4. You can think of it as the father of Windows XP.

Before WinXP home users and professional (workstation) users had different kernels and OS architectures. So, Windows 9x and ME had a DOS (kinda) based architecture, whereas Win2K had a proper 32 bits kernel.

tl;dr: Win2K was like WinXP without the bloat.
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>>43298445
Do any of these arcade systems have compilers and other such tools that I could use?
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>>43298347
>>43298404
>>43298458

No one cares what you have or haven't heard of you malignant cunt, this is not your personal search engine.
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>>43298542
Have fun: http://umlautllama.com/projects/pacdocs/
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>>43298494
wait. I think I remember windows 2000. it was shit and I'm glad I upgraded to windows xp as soon as it came out.

>>43298550
you don't need to be a dick anon. I only asked a question, I didn't break the "we are not your personal tech support" rule. you're breaking the rules by being aggressive and malicious
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>>43298542
As I too am curious about that question, I'll look into it.
SNK's Neo-Geo MVS system might.

Also, if one were really so inclined, you could write in assembler for a platform, and there are tons of datasheets and technical documentation for these systems floating around out there.

Motorola 68000 and Zilog Z80 are probably the most common microprocessors in late 80s and throughout the 90s arcade systems.
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>>43298494
Ok, so although I may not find many SDK's even if I have to write my own functions to draw even a simple line on the screen and such in ASM at least a few of these consoles must be well documented somewhere if they've been emulated?
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>>43298585
You're probably mixing up Windows ME with Windows 2000.

The only problem Windows 2000 had is some games didn't work with it, since it was never intended to be an general purpose OS.

Don't bash Win2K or I'll glass you, cunt.
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>>43298634
nah. windows ME was great, never had a problem with it.

I had problems with games on windows 2000, why they never tried to fix that in development. I'll never know
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>>43298657
Windows 2000 wasn't really designed with gaming in mind. It was more for professional work.

Windows ME has a bad reputation, but similarly I had very few problems working with it. I enjoy 2000 as well, though.
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>>43298617
I honestly don't know. I guess some MAME dev or a crazy Jap published that kind of info. It must be somewhere, at least for simple 8-bit hardware.

>>43298657
Like I said, it was aimed strictly at workstations.
In the end though (when SP4 was released) most of the games worked all right and even those that didn't were easily patchable to work.

I distinctly remember Need for Speed 4 not working straight out of the box but with a little tweak it was running just fine.
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>>43298684
>>43298688
yeah, but why would they try to advertise it as both a client and server OS? that's stupid. if I'm gonna buy an OS to play vidya, I don't want a bunch of server shit to come with it. that's why I found windows ME better.
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>>43298617
These might interest you:
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=Development_tools

Hell, you could probably make use of them targeting other platforms, as well. The NeoGeo mostly used COTS components, shared by many others.
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>>43298583
>http://umlautllama.com/projects/pacdocs/
Thanks, really cool info there, especially the commented disassembly of ms. Pacman.

>>43298601
That would be cool, the neo geo was pretty much for fighting games, right?

I've played with assembler on super nintendo and sega genesis consoles, but never made anything substantial other than coloring the screen. I really want to do this more for the learning experience I would gain.
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>>43297987
VIC20 master race
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>>43298779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK9VU1aJvTI
The wondercomputer of the 1980s!

I do love the VIC logo with the rainbow, and that turquoise background is cozy as fuck.
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>>43298734
Woah, that's awesome. Thanks.
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>>43298779
Are you serious? This must be bait, if not, you must of had a horrible childhood.
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>>43298722
Windows 2000 had many versions. One was server and another one was Professional.

Win2K professional was never sold to end users, I can assure you it was never marketed to play vidya.

Still, I could play almost anything with it. I installed it for the first time by the time SP2 was released and it worked just fine. Some guy even made a wrapper so as to make sound work for DOS games run under Win2K.

It had the stability of WinXP with requirements a little bit over Win98, which I found great.

>>43298779
Amiga master race
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>>43298751
>I really want to do this more for the learning experience I would gain.
Quite admirable, anon.
Although the hardware itself may be considered deprecated and impractical for modern use, there is always something to be obtained from knowledge and experience.

The Neo-Geo also had some other genres of games, as well.
Weird thing about the systems graphical capability, there aren't different tile layers (background, objects, etc) like other systems at the time, nor is it able to rotate, resize, scale/skew/translate sprites. Makes up for it by the cartridges being able to store a metric fuckton of frame sprites and the hardware being able to display a fuckton of them at once.
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>>43298844
but if I can't play video games on a computer. whats the point? that's why operating systems were made.
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>>43298864
>>>/v/
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>>43298887
>>43298945
I'm not bait you idiots. you just don't know what you're talking about.

and I thought /g/ was tech savvy.
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>>43298864
>that's why operating systems were made.
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>>43299003
/mlp/ pls go
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>>43299033
what the fuck does /mlp/ got anything to do with this?
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Was Resident Evil 2 ported to Windows? Moby says it was, but I can't confirm (or find it).
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>>43299026
video games were often the main selling point for computers. so yeah, they were built around and advertized based on how advanced the games were.

if you did the research, you would know that.
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>>43299068
I know I've seen it but I don't remember anything else about it.
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>>43299068
Yes.
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>>43299090
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>>43299090
>video games were often the main selling point for computers
You do know how old computers are, yes? You've heard of vacuum tubes?
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>>43298864
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please stop replying to obvious troll who has so far been incredibly successful
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>>43299068
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Resident-Evil-2-Platinum-Edition-PC-Game-Windows-95-98-/361007662325?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item540dbbc4f5

It's, like, Realsville, Daddy-O.
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>>43298853
That is kind of odd, I can deal with it though since I'm probably not going to make the absolute best game ever lol.

Yes, something about developing for old hardware just seems amazing to me. Probably the fact that you can utilize the full system's resources due to the hardware constraint.
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>>43299121
is that down syndrome girl using a lemote yeelong?

chairman mao would be most displeased. They kill down syndrome babies in their country.
Yet the population doesnt seem to be declining. Japans alright, though.
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>>43298634
Was excelent but I think it sucked for dual monitor setups with dual PCI cards or AGP/PCI... remember having lot of trouble with it... Although 98 did it out he box!
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>>43299192
>Yes, something about developing for old hardware just seems amazing to me. Probably the fact that you can utilize the full system's resources due to the hardware constraint.

How do you feel about working on a system and programming it to only do one thing, but that one thing extremely fast and efficiently?
If that sounds interesting to you, you should look into working on Embedded Systems. Sounds up your alley. Older architectures are fairly common and still in use in that sector.

>>43299259
I have a Matrox G450 DualHead in AGP, and it works on 2000 out of the box. Needs drivers for proper resolutions, though.
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>>43299259
That's what you get for buying ATI!

Seriously, I had no idea about that. I never had a dual monitor setup.
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>>43299278
>sucked
that was the card to get back then - but i had a voodoo AGP and a shitty PCI S3 with 4mb ! - running 2 cards was the issue...
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It all started with my DRAGON 32

FEAR IT!
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Is there a good torrent search engine for Windows 9x games?
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1989
I was 3 and i remember Basic from the first computer my father had, a Sony MSX Hit Bit, shit was awesome, games and and programs from cartridge and magnetic tape, it also had a floppy unit that weights like a whole modern cpu.
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>>43299329
Voodoo 3 is probably a fairer comparison to the G450, but 3DFx still generally had better 3D acceleration. And S3 cards (Trio or ViRGE) had some good VESA VBE support and performance under DOS. Other than tham, Matrox cards are probably THE workstation card for the time. Output quality is so damn sharp. Even today, they make a videocard that supports a duodecuple-display setup of medical-imaging-grade monitors.

>>43299382
Not torrent sites, but.
GamesWin
Demu
Both sites have DOS and 9x games.
As for torrent sites, Bitsnoop might be able to sniff out some more obscure torrents.
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>>43298844
yes sadly amiga was master race - but the ST guys rocked harder!

No sorry can't let it go - fuck your pussy amiga ST mater race... midi, full 8 mhz - fractal rendering in seconds & superior 3D graphics bich! Ye ok so you had 4096 col pallet - 64 display, blitter chip, HW scrolling, PCM sound... but apart form that what have the romans ever done for us?
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>>43299472
But Amigas couldn't do the company payroll as good as a PS/2 Model 80, so nyah.
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>>43299462
thanks!
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>>43299121
>>43299128
Older computers like vaccume tube computers weren't really computers due to lack of CPU. computers weren't around till the mid 70's
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>>43299472
I'm confused.

Have you accepted our Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour yet?
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>>43299671
They had TTL chips by the 60s, but not yet any microprocessors.
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>>43299679
no... although he did do that cool walking on whater thing - but no never, my god better than yours! :)
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>>43299720
They must have not been that powerful due to lack of graphics in Games. i'm glad they started taking avantage of the power of the CPU in the 70s
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>>43299671
>Older computers like vaccume tube computers weren't really computers due to lack of CPU

first of all *vacuum

second, you are completely ignorant to how a computer works or what a logic gate is. please cease and desist from further shitposting.

you don't need an IC to have a "real" computer, CPU's themselves are nothing more than collections of thousands or millions of logic gates on a single piece of silicon.
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>>43299544
They could with a bridgeboard.
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>>43299869
There were also relay based machines
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>>43299869
this
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>>43299869
Man, large-scale integration was probably one of the greatest inventions of modern times.

Also, anyone else find it kind of interesting how the Cold War influenced the research and development of new technologies?

>US: Goddard-style rockets and computers that can compute binary-coded decimals
>computers take up entire rooms
>FUCKING RUSSIANS DID SPACE TRAVEL GOTTA STOP COMMIES OH SHIT
>a couple years later, fucking space shuttles and computers the size of a pocket watch that can do trigonometric calculations
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>>43299869
actually, I do know what I'm talking about. My job is tech support.

maybe you don't know what you're doing. ever thought of that?
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>>43300421
I loved Simcity. I didn't have a mouse at that time, so I had to build everything with the cursor keys (PC version, obviously)
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>>43300448
why would you not have a mouse? god, that's one of the most important parts of the computer.
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My friend and I just found this at Goodwill. Anything I can do on it? It has excel word and solitaire. It also has an infranred sensor for sending and receiving files from other devices like it.
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>>43300373
>actually, I do know what I'm talking about. My job is tech support.

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>>43300514
>Windows CE
It's a doorstop.
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>>43300482
Mice were not yet a standard thing on every PC in 1989.
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>>43300514
Make it a mobile terminal
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>>43300514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiis0HqiHLU
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>>43300482
Oh yeah I really need a mouse.
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>>43300421
Although the Macs and the IBM PCs both had their uses, mainly desktop publishing for Mac and enterprise-resource planning for PCs, the IBM PC really could have benefited from the graphical capability the Macs had.

There was the Hercules Graphics Adapter, which for the time was fucking neat; just wish it had better adoption. By the early-to-mid 90s, most systems had very similar levels of capability, so it kind of started to not matter.

>>43300514
Well thats Windows CE, so its likely not an x86-machine, and can't run normal windows programs. Know the specs and what architecture CPU it is? MIPS or ARM?
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>>43300514
Here's a better pic
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The newest version of SimCity came out last year; thankfully it doesn't require a 3D card like SimCity 4 did.
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>>43300554
why isn't linux installed on your computer?

I thought /g/ loved linux
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>>43300563
>There was the Hercules Graphics Adapter, which for the time was fucking neat; just wish it had better adoption

HGC had plenty of support, especially with application software. For whatever didn't natively support it, you could just use SIMCGA.
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>>43300563
Its got 4mb of memory total. I can adjust it for program usage and storage usage.
My friend took the back cover off and found you can upgrade the storage capacity.
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>>43300554
Come on, man. DOS 2.x and MDA were already old, outdated shit when SimCity dropped. That stuff was 1983-84. 1989-90 was 386SXes, DOS 3.30-4.x, EGA, early VGA, IBM PS/2s, etc.
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>>43300572
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>>43300554
>dat intense-as-fuck green crt phosphor

A few months ago I started on a project PC I haven't really finished. Its a Baby-AT-formfactor Pentium MMX 200 machine. Doesn't have PS/2 interface header so the only mouse I can use is a serial. Tried wiring a logitech ps/2 mouse to DB-9 with a pinout guide, but I am a klutz.
Looking around thrift stores, craiglist, and such and shit for serial mice, but yet to find one. Shit ton of PS/2, and even AT keyboards.

Still able to use it, though. Was able to install, and for the most part use, Windows 95 with a keyboard alone. But its not pleasant to use. So I just boot into DOS and play in that. Still, a mouse would be nice.

>>43300629
>>43300654
Oh.
Hmm. Eh.
Well, you can take a look at some stuff here, I guess. Should be compatible, but whether its pleasant to use or even worthwhile, guess theres only one way to find out.
http://velo.8k.com/
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>>43300541
Would be okay for text-mode/curses programs, I suppose.
As a graphical terminal though, hell no.
Pic related. Guy tries to play UT99 on it.
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>>43298722
Listen, I remember Windows ME. I also remember it crashing every other day and seeing the Active Desktop error regularly.

that being said, a lot of it was AOL's fault, but one application shouldn't be bringing the whole machine to a halt

I also remember Windows 2000. It's pretty much ME but with the more stable NT kernel. That shit was great unless you were trying to run DOS shit or 95 shit that didn't even entirely right in 98/ME (which was a lot more common than you'd expect, fair few old-ass doujin games have that problem, and I've seen at least one commercial title that only wanted to work on 95 (can't remember the name, been years, it'd be nice if I still had my CD-ROM and floppy tower, haha)).

silly things: if 2k does crash, you will see the same Active Desktop error if it's enabled, and it's silly as fuck

>>43300533
If he was crazy, maybe he could try to recompile some programs for it. The WinCE API is pretty much the Windows API.

that being said, there are a fuckton of API calls that WILL be missing and it'll be an effort-required task to get anything other than maybe WineMine built (which is simple enough that you can actually build it for Windows 2.x)

it's probably not fast enough to run MilkyTracker, even if it did have sound (does it?)
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>>43300723
>even if it did have sound (does it?)
Says it has a speaker, but for all I know it could only be for square-wave beeps.
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>>43297987
im going to play with this when i get home. gonna practice software RAID on some IDE disks
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>>43300514
>It also has an infranred sensor for sending and receiving files from other devices like it
Good, now all you have to do is find another one.
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>>43300654
http://www.hpcfactor.com/scl/details.asp?id=465

This place has software for it, too.
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>>43300792
>Software RAID
>on IDE
Oh god why don't you just write down your data on a piece of paper, it would at least be faster.
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>>43300514
You could use it as a space observation tool.
Bring your Cassiopeia and a Telescope to some open field, punch in your coordinates, and look at stars.
Bonus points if drugs and you turn into Carl Sagan
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>>43300896
this is just practice for when im ready to setup my actual file server

what else is an 867mhz p3 w 384mb ram good for but practice?

ill probably try out BSD or Gentoo for the first time on this machine
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>>43300676
I wonder if there are DB-9 serial mice that are optical. I would hope so because I can't stand using old ball mice.
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>>43300676
>Looking around thrift stores, craiglist, and such and shit for serial mice

???

Go on Fleabay and get one.
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>>43301122
>what else is an 867mhz p3 w 384mb ram good for but practice?

being an actual fileserver/NAS? it's not particularly taxing

Would also make a good Win 98 gaming rig
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>>43301149
>implying the opinion of a tripfag is relevant
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>>43300701
OH MY FUCKING GOD

On the Cassiopeia? Unreal Tournament will run? What if I told you the reason that I have a secretly repressed hatred for all non x86 machines is that they can't play UT?

Oh wait, it's not running natively. At least it still works on Windows NT 3.51.
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>>43301165
He'll probably refuse for some autismal reason similar to that guy with the XT who insisted he'd never buy anything unless it was from a local seller.
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>>43301182
Is the Dildo browser still being updated?
>>43301185
implying you don't mind your mouse being full of crumbs and shit and having to be cleaned out constantly
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>>43301258
Is it that hard to not be a slob?
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>>43301267
Even extremely small things always get tracked into that kind of mouse. Even on a desk with no visible dirt or crumbs it gets dirty.
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>>43301258
yes. 3.0.4 was released 9 April
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>>43298393
why is it the greatest?
are you saying compared to newer microsoft operating systems, that one is still better?
what are my benefits to running 2000 rather than 8?
>inb4 metro
im talking mechanics here
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>>43300653
Mouse support was actually pretty common in PC software by 89; remember that IBM shipped mice with all PS/2s.
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>>43300563
Aspect ratio and color are wrong.
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>>43300563
Also supports EGA hi-res, VGA monochrome, CGA, and Tandy.

No clue if it uses 640x200 mono mode in CGA or 320x200 4-color mode, though. I can't find a screenshot.
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>>43301182
i already decided i want my file server to be at least 1TB if not 2 or 3, and also gigabit ethernet. i would need both SATA and an ethernet on PCI cards for this machine, and this would saturate tthe PCI bus
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>>43301466
Yes it does run in 640x200 and it looks like complete shit.
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>>43301551
I should add; SimCity is notable for supporting almost every possible graphics mode, CGA, Tandy, EGA low-res, EGA high-res, Hercules, EGA mono, VGA mono.

VGA color modes weren't supported though until a later release SimCity Classic which dropped CGA/Tandy/EGA low-res and added support for Mode 12 and 13.
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s-someone said they wanted to see more NT?

>tfw 4shit looks fugging great on Firefox 2 but I can't post from it

>tfw I can run more than two tabs and not eat shit
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>>43301267

Normal computer use will usually leave you with a lot of random shit plugging your mouse and in your keyboard all the time.

Life isn't a battlestation thread, kiddo.
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>>43301122
Stick two NICs in it, install OpenBSD, and have yourself a good home router and firewall.
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>>43301934
but i also just bought a TP-Link 1043-ND router that ill run open-wrt on...

so now what?
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>>43302257
that would be the wireless AP and a switch
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>>43301928
I'm just a kid and life is a nightmare
And I know that it's not fair
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>>43301551
>>43300563
>>43300421
I've got to jog on over to Fleabay and find an original copy of this.
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>>43301822
Compared to 9x, it has a decidedly cold, unfriendly aesthetic.
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>>43302678
Nigger what. It's the same exact interfaces as win95.
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>>43302678

it's literally no different from stock Windows 95 m8
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>>43302707
>>43302717
If you actually used NT, no the user interface is a lot more cryptic and non-intuitive than 9x.
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>>43302762

I'm running it on two systems right now (>>43301822 and a Toshiba Libretto 110CT) and using them daily. It behaves pretty much the same, except for of course the lack of good DOS/PnP support which I don't really care much for anyway.

Honestly, I enjoy using it more than 9x, networking was a fucking breeze to set up.
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>>43301528
Lots of SATA cards out there, and I'm pretty sure you can find yourself a nice Gbit ethernet card too.

If you want raid, go with real hardware or simple linux software raid. That raid controller you have on your motherboard is bullshit. Linux raid is more portable, and if your motherboard dies, you can just bring that real hardware controller to a different machine.

Thinking about using my coppermine as a fileserver here, but I'll probably get a dedicated machine for it due to my preference for source based distributions. Compiling the kernel on my low end C2D took long enough.
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>>43303200
Speaking of SATA, there is a driver available for ACHI support on NT 3.51, NT4, and 2000.
http://alter.org.ua/en/soft/win/uni_ata/
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Will games made for Windows 95 and 98 run under ME and 2000?

I'm going through old parts and I have a Geforce2 64mb AGP card and a Willemette P4 1.7 mobo with 512mb RAM. What would be the best OS setup for games from the mid nineties to early 2000's?
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>>43302324
neat certainly something to think about. just kind of concerned about energy use but p3s really arent too bad
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>>43303391
iirc the Coppermines are like 30W. my sff machine with a 1GHz P3 is completely passively cooled, the only fan in the case is in the PSU.
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>>43303391
The max TDP of the Pentium III-866 is 30.8W. However, average TDP at full load can be around 26.9W.

>>43303469
Yep.
Except for the Katmais, all Pentium 3s generally took 30W or less at load.
Worse P3 TDP is the Katmai 600MHz, which takes 42.76W at full load. Still better than any Pentium 4.

For best power efficiency, don't use Win9x, its kernel doesnt support CPU HLT instructions to stay properly idle.
And I wouldn't use NT as your server OS if your server is facing the internet. As a LAN server, though, it might be fine as long as you can actually get gigabit ethernet to work.
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>>43303309
>Will games made for Windows 95 and 98 run under ME
ME is just a tarted up Windows 98.
>and 2000
2000 is NT-based, so some things might have problems.
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>>43303309
>What would be the best OS setup for games from the mid nineties to early 2000's?

Probably a Pentium II with Windows 9x and a period 3D card.
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>>43303675
You don't have to bump a thread after three minutes.
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>>43303569
thanks for info. my standard OS is Debian and I avoid using proprietary OSes
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>>43303710
Sure.
You might want to consider using an alternative CPU Power Governor or thermal management daemon instead of the one enabled by default in the kernel.

Check this page out: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_frequency_scaling

Although its for Arch, since Debian is now switching to systemd as its default init daemon, "service" management works the same way.
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>>43303812
Finding information on that stuff got a little harder for me now. Pretty much everyone updated their information for systemd instead of just messing with files in /sys. My distro has no plans for a systemd migration yet. They don't seem that interested in migrating either.
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>>43303812
u sure P3s even support frequency scaling? i thought pentiumMs were the first to support it

thanks for link regardless, as is useful for my P-Ms and Core2s for sure
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>>43304048
Yeah, since Coppermine.
Pentium M had what was called "Enhanced Speedstep." Something voltage-related.
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Can someone repost those links to Palm OS freeware.
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No, I'm sorry, but regardless of what 13 year olds think, Windows 98 is not retro. We should ban everything >1994 from these threads.
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>>43297987
Does anyone remember installing ie4 on Windows 95? It included a bonus of giving Windows the quick launch icons next to the start menu.
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>>43304290
http://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/Software/PalmOS/Freeware/index.html
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>>43304417
Now this is shitposting.
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Does anyone remember installing CDROM drivers into a dos disk to install Windows?
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>>43304417
This thread might not be for you. There is a similar thread on /vr/ that might be better suited for you.

>>>/vr/1779669

If you can't find the kind of thread you'd want to post in, you can go and make one yourself.
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>>43304530
Well, a boot diskette that loads HIMEM, your CD Driver, and MSCDEX.

>not having enough conventional memory
>free up conventional memory
>Not enough EMS memory
>with config.sys magic, somehow get both to work
>run something
>STACK EXCEPTION DIVIDE BY ZERO UNHANDLED MEMORY ERROR DUMP OUTPUT REGISTERS HEXADECIMAL BULLSHIT

Don't miss that, that's for sure.
Too bad it took years for things like UMBPCI, HiRAM, and JemmEx. By the time they did, DOS was deprecated for most uses.
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>>43304530
I have never done that.
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>>43301822

I threw away some NT4 install CDs, a Sam's book, and all my MCSE training course manuals today. Our new parent company has a policy that only VPs and CxOs get offices, so middle management pissants like me are getting booted out into cubes. Had to downsize. Feelsbadman.
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>>43305533
>I threw away some NT4 install CDs, a Sam's book, and all my MCSE training course manuals today.
>not keeping them or at least trying to sell them

If they were going to throw them away, its not like they would care if you took them.
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>>43305548

Can't remember the last time I looked at them for anything. Threw away my NetWare books too. Been a hell of a long time since I referenced any of them.
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>>43305548

Isn't like he can't get another set anyway if he wanted, there's millions of them out there still.

Those NetWare books would have been cool though ;_;
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>>43305815

Funny how I got more certification training working for an $800 million slot machine manufacturer than I do a $60 billion pharmaceutical company...
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>>43303301
>Plans
>Win 9x/ME support
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>>43301822
I love Windows NT. Too bad there's no Plug and Play and DirectX. Unreal and Quake still work if you don't use D3D mode in Unreal, and Quake 3 uses OpenGL so it works fine. On NT 3.51 I have got Unreal engine games to run, but this is in a VM.

>>43302678
It is exactly the same as Win95. If you installed IE 4 with the "Desktop Update" it would look somewhat like 98, but I can't get IE 4-6 and the Desktop Update to install anymore since MS took down the IE 6 install server.
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>>43305968
Correction: NT does have DirectX 3 when you install all the service packs, but you won't be able to run most games with Direct3D.
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>>43305949
I think there is a build available that is buggy as hell.
Also, there are SATA drivers for DOS that you can load up in your CONFIG.SYS.
Don't remember what theyre called at the moment, but they are on the Software List at FreeDOSs site.
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>>43301822
I love workstation PCs too. Windows NT was a good workstation OS but there were lots of Sun/SGI workstations in use at that time. My dad told me today that his boss wanted some ideas on what would be a good cheap workstation PC for around $1200 that is good at AutoCAD and Solidworks. I came up with a Dell Precision, HP Z30, and Lenovo ThinkStation for them to choose from. It feels good to know that the workstation PC is alive and well, even in the age of shitty tablets, because people actually need to do work.
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>>43302807
I sometimes have networking issues with NT, always have to set up a static IP because the DHCP service always fucks up. Also on some machines, I get shit saying "Not enough server storage" so the Computer Browser and Server services can't start, and the registry trick doesn't fix it.
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>>43306072

I've got a Dual Pentium Pro 200 workstation running NT 4 as well but for some reason they didn't install a fucking VRM for the second chip, so it's sitting in my garage until I can source a new one.

I want to find a dual-processor IntelliStation or a Kayak to replace it eventually as my main NT system.

>>43306101

So far networking has been bretty nice, I always set a static IP anyway. Even detected my NIC right out of the box.

Video was another thing though, fucking FireGL
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>>43305815
If you need an NT4 install disk, go download a damn ISO somewhere.
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>>43306256
I think of dual Pentium Pros as the classic Windows NT rig, because they had two processors and they didn't do 16-bit code as well as they should have, so NT was the superior OS. Of course, Linux and OS/2 worked great too, I would imagine. But Windows 95 was sucky on that hardware due to all the 16-bit code, and if you wasted tons of money on that expensive machine just to run 95, then you were in trouble.
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>>43306402

no shit m8, did I upset you?

got the original media as well, they made a shit ton of disks, throwing out one or two isn't really a big deal

>>43306418

Plus if you were running 95 you basically wasted a grand or two on that second processor since 9x, the hacked-up piece of garbage it is, can't utilize it.

I don't know if I've ever seen someone running OS/2 on one of those aside from maybe having it pre-installed on an IBM workstation.
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>>43306475
I have never seen OS/2 or NT 3.1/4 running on real hardware.
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>>43306492
Fuck yeah, time for this video:
http://youtu.be/-DAojx2Hgec
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>>43306015
IIRC they're built in to FreeDOS or loaded in the default config.sys.
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>>43306492

I've never seen the actual hardware that would have been running the latter myself and I've been doing this for quite a while.

I'm sure it was probably mostly used in high-end workstation and server systems like HP NetServers or Compaq Systempros.
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>>43306492
I had NT 3.51 installed on my Green Machine for a while. In a real life setting I never knew of anyone who ever used it. I'm 19 years old and I have still seen plenty of Win 3.1 machines in use. I never saw OS/2 either but I know that some people actually used it.
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>>43306656

The hardware was so expensive that unless you worked in a big enterprise or you collect that kind of shit you won't see it very often.

People today bitch about muh apple overpricing, kek, try paying the price of an entry-level sportscar for some of that shit back then.
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>>43306702
I heard that the Windows NT RAM requirements were really steep, way more than 95. After a few years that wasn't really as much of a problem though since computers could handle the overhead and benefit from the performance of NT. The Pentium Pro machines were like 15 grand or something like that back in 1995 IIRC.
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>>43306742
NT 4 needed 32MB while 95 used only 4 and 98 16MB.
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>>43306475
>>43306418
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Windows 95, is in fact, MS-DOS/Windows 95, or as I've recently taken to calling it, MS-DOS plus Windows 95. Windows 95 is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning MS-DOS system made useful by the MS-DOS boot sequence, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Microsoft.
Many computer users run a modified version of the MS-DOS system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of MS-DOS which is widely used today is often called Windows 95, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the MS-DOS system, developed by Microsoft.
There really is a Windows 95, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows 95 is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows 95 is normally used in combination with the MS-DOS operating system: the whole system is basically MS-DOS with Windows 95 added, or MS-DOS/Windows 95. All the so-called Windows 95 distributions are really distributions of MS-DOS/Windows 95!
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>>43306759
And somehow, NT 4 never did get USB support while 98 had a fairly complete implementation.

>>43306767
Fuck off with your stale copypaste.
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>>43306742

NT 3.1 recommended around 16 MB of RAM and a 486 in an era when the 386SX and even the 286 were still in vogue and the average RAM compliment was 2-4 MB.

And yes, that shit was damn expensive, I think my Vectra XU was around $12000 new and it's running on at least another $1-2000 in upgrades.

>>43306788

There are generic mass storage drivers that function pretty well as long as you're running the latest service pack.
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>>43306788
There are working third party drivers for NT 4, however flash drives do not work even if they are FAT16 formatted or NTFS.
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I have seen Windows 3.1, WfW 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8 running on real hardware. Never seen 3.0, NT 3.1, or NT 4. I probably saw ME somewhere but don't remember it.
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>>43306702
I don't think people look at what the machines are, and what kind of machines they compete with.

It is easy to say an i5-based video games PC is cheaper than a Mac Pro, but a Mac Pro was never made to compete with your average enthusiast built video game PC. It is a workstation.

Same goes for the Mac mini. It is the cheapest mac. Dead silent under normal desktop-tier loads, 14W idle, small footprint, it is simply not made to compete with ATX sized systems with i3-i5 CPUs and mid tier graphics cards. Mine idles at 55W, and it is silent, but it is still pretty noisy when compared to the Mac mini sitting on the same desk.

I walked through the electronics section at a warehouse with my father one time. He was surprised by how expensive the high end mac they had on display was. I think it was about 2000 dollars. He pays his bills and listens to music using a high end dell he paid 3000 dollars for.
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>>43306821
years ago, while I was still in school, I was a server at a Bob Evans Restaurant. they ran NT4 on the machine in the office that connected to corporate.
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Is /g/ interested in Qbasic at all?

My apologies, I didn't see this thread.
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>tfw no potato compatible laptop
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato
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>>43306913
Delete the other one.
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>>43306913
Awwwww shit man, I forgot about this game.

That it was even possible to do this kinda shit in qbasic, my little mind was blown.
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>>43306913

wtf?

I'm the OP of the thread I made saying "Is /g/ interested in Qbasic at all?"

How is this thread related to Qbasic? There is not a single mention of Qbasic here.
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>>43306759
I had 8MB in my Windows 95 computer. It wasn't enough for anything. My mother in her infinite wisdom decided to pay for a 64MB upgrade tho. I think a more modest 16 or 32MB would've been just as good. I can't think of anything that needed a whole 72MB back then. Could've spent the rest of the money on some other better upgrades.

She still does that kind of shit. Just walks into a store and buys whatever the sales guy is in the mood for that day.
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>>43306957
Must run at 2 mph. BASIC blows at writing games.
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>>43306970
>How is this thread related to Qbasic? There is not a single mention of Qbasic here.

All retro computer discussion welcomed.
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I have a Thinkpad 701C with Windows 95. Can I play?
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>>43307004
Sure why not.
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>>43307008
I'd have to find a good way to get screenies off of it, though.
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>>43306994
>>43306957
>>43306913

So let me ask my question in this thread:

>****

I wrote some games and programs about 12-14 years ago when I was in highschool and just found the source files when searching in my old harddrive today.

I want to see if it's pointless or not to make a video showing the programs and the source code and upload it on YouTube (also make the source codes available).

Not sure if there are than many people interested in seeing it.
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>>43307015
Press Print Screen.

Open MS Paint.

Press Ctrl+Insert.

I swear, these threads are getting progressively stupider.
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>>43307033
Sure does seem pointless to me.
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>>43307037
i think what he means is there's no USB port or any another way to transfer the image
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>>43307058
What if the games are really good? I wrote about 5 thousand lines for one of them.
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>>43307037
No, I don't have networking capabilities. OFC I know how to print screen.

I swear, these "helpers" get progressively stupider.
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>>43307070
Then usee a null modem cable to transfer it to a different PC.
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>>43307078
Then take a bloody photo with a camera!
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That's a shit solution. But yeah, I guess I could. What do you want to see?
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>>43307037

>I've never used a 701 but I know everything!

they're 300% gimped subnotebooks, unless you have the external floppy drive you're pretty much fucked.
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>>43307126
I dunno; you're the one taking the photo, not me.
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>>43307033
I'd watch it if they were interesting.
What kind of games and programs did you make?
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>>43307135
Joke's on you. I have a 380D with both an internal floppy and CD.
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>>43307126

we're not all total niggers here, just so you know :^)

take a picture of whatever. I wish I didn't have to behead my 701c ;_;

>>43307159

mid-'90s 300 series was the epitome of the brick Thinkpad, I don't even think the 700 series could hold a candle to those fucking things.

t. 365XD owner

701s are much tinier than they look.
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>>43307078
>No, I don't have networking capabilities

Doesn't it have an Ethernet port either on the laptop itself or a PCMCIA card?
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>>43300482
it is now, but not back then

are you 15?
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>>43307179

>486DX/4-75 subnotebook system ca. 1995
>ethernet
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>>43307179
My 380D does have Ethernet on a PCMCIA card. Dunno about his laptop though.
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>>43307179
I do have the PCMIA ethernet, but because of my shit rent situation, I can't hook it up to anything. I did get it on the net before I bought it.
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>>43307004
>Thinkpad 701C
Is that the butterfly keyboard one?
If so, WebM of you opening it focused on the keyboard, please.

>>43307179
>Ethernet port either on the laptop itself or a PCMCIA card?
Not as common back then as you would think. Hell, at the time, there was still tons of IBM Token Ring networking being done.

Fun Fact: Xircom actually made Parallel port-to-RJ45 Ethernet adapters specifically for laptops.
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>>43307238
>I do have the PCMIA ethernet, but because of my shit rent situation, I can't hook it up to anything
???
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>>43307155

The biggest achievement in my programs were the graphics. Just using the POINT, LINE and CIRCLE functions I made a lot of graphics. I also created 2 font functions. One of them had one size only but looked really nice. The other had adjustable size and looked Okay but not too good.
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>>43307250
My guess is that he doesn't have a router/switch and an ISP service of his own and is using either a smartphone or stolen Wi-Fi to access the internet right now
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>>43307244

I want the fug out of one of those parallel adapters ;_;

though I still do prefer just using lynx on a remote system
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>>43307285
Then he should stop being poor.
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>>43307285
No, my landlords only have a wireless solution, and I don't have a repeater.
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>>43307275
port it to C then
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>>43307155
>>43306913
>>43307033

Here is a screenshot
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Just playing some pinball
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>>43307420

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>>43307427

that's bretty good

I want to buy another one of those one day, it was really sweet for all of the week that I had it before the hinges snapped.
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>>43307427
So does the keyboard retract as you close it? and how does it feel? I would think the outer keys would feel a tad light due to them kind of hanging off the edge of the base.
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>>43307478
You'd be surprised, all of the keys are really solid. And yes, the keyboard does retract. There is a little slab of something that comes out to reinforce them, so the whole keyboard feels really solid.

>>43307469
I hope that doesn't happen to me, but the hinges do feel a lot worse than I expected.
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>>43307433

Here is the size-adjustable font I told you guys about.

>Danger Fighters

I was 15 and living in Iran. My English wasn't good.
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>>43307507

shit's better than I could ever do with qbasic
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>>43307507
I lol'd at "Danger Fighters"
I would play this, even though it is probably horrendous
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>>43307521
>>43307550

This is part of the function for drawing those characters.
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>>43307629
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guys i keep getting input output errors on my pentium3 pc when trying to partition

debian installer
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>>43307771
DMA Controller settings in BIOS.
Switch master/slave position.
Improperly formatted drive.
Drive could be faulty.

I don't think it applies to something as new as a Pentium III system, but maybe CHS or LBA values need to be defined?
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>>43306015

Oh, I already know about the SATA drivers. What I'm stoked about is AHCI support.

It doesn't even have handle NCQ or anything. I just want to be able to leave AHCI on for other OSes without having Win98 throw drives into MS-DOS compatibility mode.
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>>43307735
That actually looks pretty damn good for a QBASIC game.

A little over 20 years ago, you could have used QuickBasic PDS, compiled it into an executable, and sold it as shareware.
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>>43307771
I experienced this when I was using a bad power supply. The voltages were all over the place. I'm surprised the components survived the abuse that power supply put them through.

The computer works like a charm now that I'm using this wonderful old chieftec psu.
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>>43308155
hmmm ill hook up my voltmeter next time
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>>43307172
>701s are much tinier than they look.
They sure are.
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Just got a nice 486 with dos/win3.1 for muh vidya, plenty of errors at boot time and cba to fix them so I'm considering a format. What version of DOS should I put on it?
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>>43309125
PC-DOS 5
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>>43309125

It's a 486, so there's no reason not to put MS-DOS 6.22. Have fun with your machine anon!
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>>43309142
MS-DOS 6.22 lacks some nice goodies that are only available in the supplemental disk.
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>>43309125
If you don't need to run win3.x there's no reason not to install FreeDOS
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>>43309168

Well I alway used the 4 disks when I installed it on various machines, so I never missed anything. Also, i think that the DOS shell is pretty much useless when you have windows 3.1 installed.
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>>43309256
FreeDOS 1.1 can do Win3.1 IIRC.
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>>43298427
> just a compiler that spits out a mame ready image
nope

but if you have GNU/Linux it comes with gcc, which IIRC has compilers for all the chip architectures in mame (the later ones like MIPS, PPC, ARM etc) if you look at the source for the mame drivers for the cabinet you want to target you should have everything you need to configure gcc to compile a bin. go to the mame forums and ask there.

it might be easier to target the retroarch framework, which'll put your game onto all the pc's, smartphones, and every console more powerful than the wii. or love2d which is good for noobs.
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>>43300373

> It's time to stop posting.
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>>43311039

>ctrl+f "imsai"
>0 results

I guess I'll have to post it myself.
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>>43301822

Dat office bar tho
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>>43311069 wasn't meant to answer to anyone.
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>>43307507

> Danger Fighters

My pants are rigid.
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>>43297987
A lot of the GNU+Linux shit I use is pre -99 but it just has had a shit ton of updates.
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Atari ST's GEM is a pretty good GUI-based OS.
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>>43311880
Not as good as the Commodore Amiga

Only Amiga makes it possible
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>>43311069
Glorious. I actually just made my gf sit through War Games this week. It got me to search around for some for sale, they'll set you back $2000 - $2500 in fairly questionable condition. The actual one from War Games is also apparently for sale in the $20k - $25k range. I really wish someone would put together a retro cabinet of it like they did with the Altair.
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>>43311578
>pre -99 but it just has had a shit ton of updates

huh? please tell me the distro that has been providing updates for 15+ years.
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>>43311880
So was GEOS for the C64. It may have actually been the first case of a software company that ruined itself with DRM.
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>>43309125
DOS 6.22/WfW 3.11 or 95 if there's enough RAM.
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I got a Geforce 2 MX400 working with Win98 @ 1920x1080x32bpp. It feels god damn weird.
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>>43297987

"GNU" isn't "the" Linux vendor, nor is it a Linux distro, so you need the slash. You meant "GNU/Linux" (interpreted as "GNU over Linux" in the same way that "1/2" is "1 over 2").

Even then, it's hard to justify calling it GNU/Linux in a desktop distro because Stallman's rationale is that the only parts that count as part of the OS for naming purposes are what you need to run terminal-mode Emacs. (He's lawyering the definition of "the OS" to a 1980s state to favour his viewpoint). X11 is a larger part (both in amount of code and significance to API compatibility) of "Linux" than GNU componentry (especially so if the computer doesn't have GCC installed), so it's X11/Linux by that logic. (And "X11; Linux" is what you'll find if you look into the Firefox User-Agent string.)

The only GNU component that has any relevance to the platform itself is glibc (The GNU C library) and that's the non-X11 distinction between Android and Ubuntu. (If you don't consider it to be "Android vs. X11", then, by process of elimination, Android must be a whole-distro name.) Android chose to use a glibc-incompatible libc (Bionic) and, if they hadn't, there'd be no justification for not calling it "X11/Linux".
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>>43314404
Wow! Well it is quite a card, all 64mb of it. I have one also and used it in my P4 daily driver with 1600 x 900 display until 2010 or so. It only starts to choke on video past 480p. It plays DVD's just fine.
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>>43314711
what the fuck, i think you're in the wrong thread chief
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I have a compaq contura 3 25
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>>43311071

It's pretty based for desktop autism, even though it's a buggy piece of shit.
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>>43314780
It seems to be a 32MB version. GLQuake runs quite average at 1920x1080x16 though.
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Was in the process of putting netbsd on my mobilepro 790, but it looks like it doesn't support the oldest networking card I have, I'll have to grab one off ebay or something.
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>>43312161

>Posting an Amiga but Not posting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHFR_BHEyoE
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>>43306815
>>43306767
oh shit. glad this is just pasta. i was about to fucking lose it after the 1st sentence.
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>>43306821
at an old job, we had a mix of 95/98/2000/NT4/ and XP machines. there was even a dos pc, and another running windows 3.0. we were constantly doing minor maintenance to the 9X and XP machines, but the users with the NT4 boxes rarely ever had any issues.
my boss even seriously considered moving all of the company computers to NT4, but that plan fell through because XP was cheaper since it was included with new pc purchases..
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>>43306913
i wasted many evenings reading the help files and building shitty games and programs in qbasic. my last experience with it was making a stupid 'email' server that communicated with a host pc over rs232.
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>>43318122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGSMUep6_4
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>>43307033
do it. i'd watch the video and look at the code, so long as the videos weren't 30 minutes of monologue.
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>>43318585
topkek
That was the first thing that came to mind.
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I spent a few days looking for Windows games from 1995 - 1998 (and some earlier DOS as well). It's difficult to find games from that era that are original and haven't been patched to run on XP and later systems. I've unrarred and unzipped everything and converted all the weird image files (like .nrg, .mdf, and .ccd) to .iso, and mounted them all to scan with MBAM (which I suppose is useless, I doubt an NT virus scan would ever detect DOS malware) all from my sandybridge laptop.

Now to move them to the 98 box and actually play.

Did I miss any worthwhile games from that era? Any recommendations?

I actually have Myst on CD and I was never able to find Baldur's Gate, The Curse of Monkey Island, and a few others I would really like to play.
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>>43319941
I wasted more of my childhood playing Infocom games than any graphical shit that came along later.
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>>43319971
You need to find ISO images rather than rips.
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>>43320007
It's difficult, most of what I managed to find from public torrent sites are images.
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It can be done; I once got an ISO of Total Annihilation because my original disc fucked itself.
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>>43319971
>The Curse of Monkey Island

http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/pc/windows-games/the-curse-of-monkey-island/

Done and done.
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>>43320255
>http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/pc/windows-games/the-curse-of-monkey-island/

Thank you. Never heard of the iso zone till just now.
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>>43320335
Also found Baldur's Gate on there.
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>>43320255
I always hated ISO downloads because they take two hours.
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>>43320563
Get a better connection, numbnuts.
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>>43320516
I feel like 2.5GB is fuckhuge for a game that came out in 1998... was it a 6 CD set or something?

>>43320563
yup
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>>43320660
It's the service, numbnuts. They want you to upgrade to a premium account. I have a 100mbps connection.
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>>43320666
Correct. It's on 4 discs.
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>>43320721

new thread
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_actual_ new thread >>43320914
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>>43320935
Make it before someone else makes a thread next time.
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>>43320772
Ok gotcha.
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>>43320959
This thread hasn't reached bump limit yet!
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>>43320986
And...?
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>>43320986
So did you just delete it or did mods?
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>>43321004
I did
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>>43321004
There are no mods on /g/.
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Is my Commodore VIC-20 welcome?
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