OFFICIAL RETRO COMPUTER THREAD

what about alternate computers post-2000 ?

such as UMPCs, but only tthe old ones, none of the stupid new ones.

you know, like the hp palmtop ones.

>>>43246179
>Yeah, I'll have to try shoving some more RAM in it later, but I can't remember if it took proprietary SIMMs or not.

Not proprietary, just picky about memory specs since they have to match the built-in 2MB (80ns & with parity).

The L40SX has 2 slots for 72-pin SIMMS, so you can feed it 2x8MB.

>>43246355
>72 pins
Pretty forward-thinking for 1991. Also you may not necessarily need parity RAM if the BIOS has an option to disable parity checking.

>>43246201
What do you think you're doing, Yuropoor?

>>43246355
>>43246382
>80ns & with parity

It's also picky about height (max 1") and power draw from the modules. It's actually probably better to install 70ns parts since they'll still run at 80ns and draw less power while doing so.

>you may not necessarily need parity RAM if the BIOS has an option to disable parity checking

I don't recall that it does. The anon with one can probably confirm.

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>>43246201

>using the lame, truncated exclusive OP pasta yet again

>PCs after they became decent (so, Windows 3.1 and up)

why.png, I like me some 90s shit but I want to see more 8088-286 and exotic hardware in these threads rather than shit we discuss by default anyway

fug sake use the pasta in >>43199522

now for the non-autism

>>43246355

derp, should have figured it was 2 MB onboard

Were these things just straight 72-pin? That's bretty nice. I didn't get a good look at the RAM slots while I was replacing the hard drive since I was in the zone.

pic vaguely related, all the drives I went through before I found a working one. fuck Conner.

>>43246382

IBM was insisting on high-quality 72-pin SIMMs by this time in all of their products for reasons I can't recall. I think even my PS/2 Mod 70 that rolled out of the factory in August 1989 had them.

>>43246201
I remember using punch cards to develop programs and such in college. It was a real pain especially in my senior year where I accidentally bumped a teacher down the hall and I spilled my box of punch cards all over the floor and they came way out of order, I was so scared I vomited violently that my entire year's work had been ruined in such a small time, luckily I had remembered in my notebook to write the order of the beginning punches to 10 digits, so not all was lost but a few of my cards had the same configuration, about 5 or so. What happened later was hours of trying combinations of these 5 cards to get into the right order. Mostly waiting due to the fact the computer reading my cards would take forever to run it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXLfiAvkbyg

"wheres the backspace key?""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBgjBHa3ezs

>>43246201
Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of

Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)

Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)

pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems

Everyday until people stop trying to truncate the OP.

>>43246595
>I spilled my box of punch cards all over the floor and they came way out of order,
There are these things called "sorters". Usually the IBM 081 or 082. Easy to operate as long as you remember to sort in the right order.
I call bullshit on your story.

>>43246201
shit uncenterd keyboard

>>43246201
I own one of these
Was surprised to find that an Audio tape in the tape player would still play sound

>Allowed and encouraged: Sinclair, Acorn, Commodore, Amstrad, PCs after they became decent (so, Windows 3.1 and up), Apple machines prior to OS X

fuck you. ATARI master race here. respect nigga

>>43247244
[spoiler]Amiga > ST[/spoiler]

>>43247244
Hell yea. The only "retro" computer I have is an Atari 800.

>>43247244

>tfw owner of a 1200XL with no power cord, peripherals or software

>>43247327

I have an atari 800xl, 2 disk drives, cassette recorder, and a shitload of 5.25 disks. and all the cables for it. where is your god now?

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>>43247402
Is this you?

>>43248201
haha no sorry

plus thats not an 800XL

>>43248201

>tfw I'll never have a desk setup like that

it fucking hurts to live

>>43247244
>>43247402
I saw an Atari 800XL at a goodwill recently. It didn't have a power cord and they were asking like $50 for it, I passed.

Tell me about NetWare, /g/

Can a NetWare system still be used as a general-purpose workstation?

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>>43247078
yeah, that rustles my autism.

>>43248201
pic fuckin saved. even the collectable glass cups are awesome.

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>tfw out of ideas

What else non-game software should I install?

also really wishing I had a 387SX-20 right now

>no Amiga
Amiga was multimedia and retro, fuck you

>>43250053
Please delete that image and never post it again.

>>43250130
See
>>43246747
This is the TRUE AND HONEST op post. People keep trying to edit it. (Which'd be cool if they just broadened it to give more detail such as giving examples of 8-bit systems, but every edit so far has removed more than it has added.)

(also, Amiga would come under commodore in OP's list)


Incidentally, have you seen the deathbed vigil?
Pretty depressing seeing the last day of commodore.

>>43250186
"deathbed vigil"?

>>43250216
http://everything2.com/title/The+Deathbed+Vigil
Probably summarizes it better than I can.

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>>43250145

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>>43250130
I got an Amiga 1200 just a few days ago for free!

Today I spent a good half-hour trying to format a floppy on my XP box so I can copy files back and forth to my Amiga. I got it to work and I ran the boing ball animation.

I can't wait until I get my CF adapter...

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>>43250145
Why anon?

>>43250364
clever fucks
fuck

>>43250282
>http://everything2.com/title/The+Deathbed+Vigil
thanks anon

>>43246747
>OP isn't allowed to suggest relevant topics himself, must follow copypasta EXACTLY every time.

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>>43250053
>>43250145
You can now sleep tonight. Everything is fine.

>>43251551
I only said "truncate", I have no issue with additions.

I'm just sick of people trying to remove systems, either because they miss them out, or because they have a petty personal grudge against them.

>>43250364
it was intentional right?

>>43251653
Yes, the TV show is about a detective with OCD.

>>43251551

abridged OPs are always shit, at least this guy didn't have an autistic grudge against 68k systems this time

most of the other generals have bretty consistent and well put-together OPs and these threads don't even have consistent titles and they usually omit systems that the detailed one covers for no reason

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muh games
muh DOS

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>>43251683
>>43251695

Brother.

>>43251713
>Apple II
>Monitor III
I chuckled, not sure why. It just reads funny.

>>43251720

I think this was actually the original monitor it was purchased with, too.

I've since replaced it with an actual Apple II monitor, though. I just don't have any current pictures

>>43251713
>tfw I don't have a monitor for mine

What keyboard was used in the movie Pi?
It had a "Rub" key and other weird keys

>>43251755

>tfw I don't have DOS or any other non-game software for mine

we're even I guess :^)

>tfw interested in getting an old computer with the latest version of DOS, and playing a bunch of pirated DOS games on it
>tfw not sure if its worth it but the idea of it sounds like a real experience

hey /retro/ how the fuck do I update NT 4 to the latest service pack?

I would really like to use flash drives ;_;

>>43251851
DOS machines are pretty cheap in my experience, so even if it wasn't the best experience ever, it's probably worth what you pay for it.

>>43251851
>>43253353
You can always sell it for what you paid for it when you're done with it.

Hipsters and resellers charge way too much for their old computers I guess, but you should be able to find a freebie in someones attic, or a few bucks in some store or garage sale.

>>43246299
HP Palmtops were made around 1990-1997

>>43250111
>tfw out of ideas
Bubble Bobble.
>also really wishing I had a 387SX-20 right now
I don't think the L40 can fit a math coprocessor and in any case, I doubt you'll ever find an occasion to use one.

Also plug an external monitor into it so we can see what that Windows color scheme looks like.

>>43250408
>Today I spent a good half-hour trying to format a floppy on my XP box so I can copy files back and forth to my Amiga

What!? No way can a PC read Amiga disks. Very different disk format.

>>43251755
Plug it into a TV.

>>43253733
>No way can a PC read Amiga disks.

...but the Amiga can read PC disks. FAT16 double-density, to be precise.

so my PC/XT boots to Basic and I don't know if it's because the HDD is broken or just because it's empty

I don't have a floppy i can boot from, so how can I use the Basic to see if the HDD is connected/being recognized?

PS: I'm the guy who posted a couple of days ago about the XT not booting up, turns out it was a blown tantalum cap on the MB

>>43253777
Amiga can read PC disks, but PCs can't read Amiga disks because they use a nonstandard variant of MFM.

>>43253794
>but PCs can't read Amiga disks because they use a nonstandard variant of MFM.

I know.

>>43253790
Easy.

10 def seg=&h40
20 print peek(&h75)

This will show you the number of hard disks present.

>>43246201
I have a Macintosh SE (2 Floppy Drive model), with only a keyboard (no mouse).

It will only read 800 K floppies that I can't write.

I want to interact with it / load software on to it.
I was thinking about building a serial interface, but realised the Mac doesn't have any software to connect with on it already.
What do?

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How about software, OP?

>>43253856

that just returns "syntax error in 10"

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I found like 100 old BYTE magazines from the 70's-80s in my attic, I have yet to go through them all but want to eventually scan all the covers.

>>43253949
Then try it in decimal numbers instead of hex:

10 def seg=64
20 print peek(117)

>>43248201
It can't be that hard to get some newer components into these machines and peripherals. The 810 Disk drives could be gutted for a Slot loader optical and run down a USB or eSata right?

>>43254020
>>43254020

>10 def seg=64
>20 print peek(117)
>RUN
>0
>Ok

so my drive is fucked apparently

not surprising after 20 years in storage

it does spin though, and the light is on

thanks for the help, anon

>>43253794
Apparently there is a trick where a PC floppy can read Amiga formatted discs but it involves having a second FDD and (I suspect) some magic.
... Or a Catweasel.

>>43254098
If you have another PC with ISA slots, you can take the controller and hard disk and put them in there to try it out.

>>43254069
Sorta.
http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/

Also try this. It will display the Hard Disk Error Status byte.

10 def seg=64
20 print peek(141)

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I must find myself a HP OmniBook 300.

>>43254148
This is pretty cool, I have an amiga 500 sat up in the attic that burnt out, it's past repair.

You think it'd be easy to take a dremel to it and fit an ITX motherboard in there? Similar to the C64x? I miss that heft on my desk.

>>43254141
Since XT hard disk controller have their own BIOS ROM, you will have to set the PC BIOS to "No hard disk installed".

>>43254200

that returns a big fat zero as well

If he doesn't have any DOS disks for his XT, plenty can be found on Fleabay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1987-IBM-DISK-OPERATING-SYSTEM-DOS-3-30-/321470957516?pt=US_Vintage_Computing_Manuals_Merchandise&hash=item4ad92987cc

>>43254375

yeah, I've been looking around for an OS/some software

Not much of a point if i can't get the HDD working though

>>43254453
As I said, stick the drive and controller in a different PC. See if you can read it.

>>43254453
What video card does the XT have? CGA, mono, EGA, or VGA?

>>43254494

monochrome, i've got it hooked up to a 5151

>>43254524
Hercules or MDA? This is important for determining what software it can use.

He may want to get an 8-bit ISA IDE controller card so he can use better, faster, and more reliable hard disks.

>>43254557

MDA

and i guess i should try to stick the drive/controller in another PC but I really don't have the room to get another one of these things

>>43254647
>MDA

Useless. Get a Hercules card.

>>43246201
I have pic related but with the green screen.

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i've got an 8" floppy ;)

>>43255088
Ive got a Apple 3.5' floppy

>>43255386
The DOS version of Simpsons Arcade Game. It requires a 286 and EGA/VGA to run (the game actually runs in EGA 320x200x16 mode, but can switch color palettes if VGA is used)

>>43256806
I remember playing the VGA version. It's probably the only decent Simpsons game ever made.

Why can't I find anything about Canon InnovaBooks? There doesn't seem to be any resources on them, not even a list of models on wikipedia. Nor does it seem that any has been sold on ebay recently.

>>43256859
Reread the post. The game doesn't run in VGA graphics at all. It's EGA Mode D and just uses the VGA palette registers to select nicer colors than the default EGA Day-Glo ones.

>>43250111
OpenWatcom - FOSS C toolchain for DOS, complete with vi.

>>43256641
This was released for the Mac 128 but will work on System 7 (but requires a patch to do so)

They also ported Archon for the 128, but that can't work on anything but the earliest Macs since it reads the mouse directly instead of using the ROM routines (this was pre-ADB)

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>>43256891
Bubble Bobble also is an example of a game that does this, although unlike SAC it does run on 8086s and supports CGA/Tandy.

>>43257041
Also make sure to have an Adlib card because the PC speaker sound on this game is like a chainsaw.

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The original Sim City. This is unique in being one of the few commercial games to use EGA 640x350 mode. It also supports CGA/Tandy and VGA monochrome mode (also very unusual)

>>43251672
It's about a detective with OCPD you dumb fuck

>>43257146
>VGA monochrome mode (also very unusual)

You mean VGA Mode 11. That's not that unusual considering the game was ported from the Mac and it would have been very easy to convert the graphics for that mode.

>>43257146
So I understand you can run Windows 95 in EGA mode if you have the driver from Windows 3.x.

>>43257233
Correct. CGA won't work though.

>>43257233
>Windows 95 in EGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZljVxwIzTM

>>43257270
I think that's because 95 no longer has the infrastructure needed to support CGA (being able to write to the B800 segment and whatnot). EGA uses the A000 segment same as VGA.

>>43257146
They had SimCity for the C64, but it's pretty crude-looking and shitty compared to the 16-bit versions.

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>>43257405
C64? Please anon; you could get SimCity on a Spectrum.

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>>43257180

>>43257146
The EGA/VGA modes (excluding Mode 13) are all more-or-less identical from a programming standpoint - the only difference is in the size of the graphics planes which vary from 8 to 64k depending on the mode used.

>>43257465
They have a reputation of being a bitch to program, but Mode 11 is actually pretty easy since there's only two planes and you can just set one of them to the "active" window and write to it while leaving the second one blank.

Remember: You can set the two available colors to anything you like (the default being black and white)

>>43257535
>They have a reputation of being a bitch to program

Any planer display mode is a bitch to deal with. Which is one of the reasons the Amiga had a hard time adapting to the brave new world of 1st person games in the 90's

>>43254124
>involves having a second FDD and (I suspect) some magic.
It worked for me on a floppy that wasn't "copy-protected", on XP.
Everything else failed, also you need a FDC which can handle 2 drives as external ones won't work as you need to load a special driver.

>>43257566
That's of course why VGA games almost all used the completely linear Mode 13.

>>43257535
One thing I never understood is why the lower modes still require you to bank-switch the planes out and you can only access one at a time. Modes F and 12 use 128/256k, but the rest are smaller and should all be able to fit into the A000 segment.

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Well I just got a Clamshell iBook. I don't know what to do with it (or where to put it), kind of just impulse bought it. It's pretty neat though. I'm impressed with the mint condition it was in, the box still has the foam in it.

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>>43258063
As someone who grew up in the era, I have no fucking clue why everyone was obsessed with computers being able to make graphs back then. Thumb through any magazine and it was countless photos of displays with graphs, ads for graphs, hardware that supported more colors for more graphs. I know that computerized books were the killer app for most offices but come on.

>>43258582
Easy: Graphs were useful for demonstrating a computer's graphics capabilities in a professional, non-gaming sort of way.

>>43258566
Put Mac OS9.2.2 (for gaymen) & OSX 10.1 (for 4chins browsing) on it.

>>43258698
It has 10.4 already on it, but the OS 9 disks were included. The memory and hard drive were also upgraded.

>anything running windows
>retro
Go back to school kid.

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>>43258747
Too bad Mac's in B/W

Amiga Master Race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWeO5IkCssk

>>43258844
Windows has been around 29 years!

>>43258867
And is still just as unstable and insecure as it was 29 years ago. Hasn't changed a bit, therefore it's not retro.

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>>43258747
Everyone knows that by 1984, you could get a Hercules card on your PC if you wanted business graphics in more resolution as well (720x348 versus the Mac's 512x384)

>>43249499
>I saw an Atari 800XL at a goodwill recently. It didn't have a power cord and they were asking like $50 for it, I passed.

that's about right, actually. i paid $40 for a 400 recently from craigslist from a guy that was asking $60.

ebay is the worst because everything is overpriced. craigslist can be better because at least you get to haggle, but there is still the same mentality of "if it's old then it's valuable".

>>43258815
Try Debian or OpenBSD.

>>43258963
These are the people who go on Barrett-Jackson auctions and think their rusted six-cylinder 1969 Chevy Nova sedan is worth $40,000.

>>43258917
>>43258747
This was part of an entire multi-page advertisement spread; I've seen the whole thing and some of the claims made in there are hilarious, like trying to justify the Mac's lack of a numeric keypad or function keys or the absence of hard disk storage.

>>43258990
I have Debian installed on my G4, doesn't work too well.

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>>43259008
Here is a typical example of local Craigslist people that make me crazy, I just want to troll the fuck out of this guy:

https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/sys/4486897859.html

>A Compaq Presario 700 is for sale! It is collector`s PC ready for a new home!
>The computer runs Windows XP natively.
>Tire Kickers are prohibited, as well as low ballers and clowns. Sale is NON-OBO!

In other words, I have a piece of shit of laptop which I will sit on forever because I am unwilling to negotiate as I have declared it a "vintage collector's piece".

>>43256897

I'm down.

>>43253717

It's got a 387SX socket and I've actually found a couple programs that would use one, too.

The L40SX is pretty much just a Model 40 SX lazily stuffed into a massive laptop case.

>>43258844
>>43258904

Don't you have a desktop thread to post in? :^)

>>43259298

>not even an armada or evo

disgusting, shoot that nigger

some mong on my local CL is trying to sell a celeron dell optiplex for $300 or trade for a macbook. lel

>>43259298
lol Collector's Item

>>43258582

I don't think there's any better way for a business machine to demonstrate color/graphics ability.

>home computers were all about muh games
>business PCs were all about muh graphs
>workstations were all about muh CAD
>macintoshes were all about muh publishing

>>43259298
There was a guy selling an IBM PS/2 Model 30 for $100 on craigslist awhile back. He said it worked, so I scheduled to meet with him (planing on offering him ~$50)

Arrive at a cleared out office/lobby place, talk with him and he brings me out to a non-airconditioned warehouse (IN FUKING FLORIDA), shows me the PS/2 and it is absolutely filthy. (Floppys are all thrown into moldy a plastic Publix bag, that THE PRINTER WAS LAYING ONTOP OF! I pile everything on an old A/V cart, and bring it into the lobby. I hook it up to test it, switch it on... Nothing. Not even a beep. He starts acting like "well it worked before!". I offer him $20, and he says he won't go lower than $100. I walk out.

I hate people like that.

>>43259964
I might also mention when he says "It worked before!" He means the last time he turned it on back in 2002

>>43259731
>It's got a 387SX socket and I've actually found a couple programs that would use one, too

Unless you feel the urge to run Lotus 123 or old versions of AutoCad.

>>43259964

you didn't miss out, I only have a Model 30 because I'm collecting PS/2s, it just feels gimped as fuck and also the 720K drive means I can't just go out and buy disks from staples or whatever for it anymore

>non-microchannel systems
>any year

>>43259261
Let me guess, nvidia GPU? Get an ATI for that thing and watch it sing and dance.

>>43259964
Check the motherboard for bad caps.

>>43260051

Mostly shareware physics/space sims (and lotus), and it's pretty cheap to get one, too.

Thing takes for fucking ever to render the wireframe models one of the sims I installed on it uses.

>>43260052
>it just feels gimped as fuck and also the 720K drive means I can't just go out and buy disks from staples or whatever for it anymore

1.44MB disks usually will work if formatted to 720k.

>>43260066
Not worth my time for $100

>>43260107

I think you're right, it's been so long, mine had a dead drive anyway so I just rely on LapLink, which is faster and more reliable than an FDD transfer anyway,

>>43260052
Wai, you don't have the 8086 model, do you? Because the 286 model does have a 1.44MB drive.

>>43260156

yeah, it's the 8086

Were you looking at a 286? Probably would be a little better for sure.

>>43260215
The 286 model obviously lets you run 286 software as long as it's real mode (Model 30s can't use any extended memory) and of course is faster than the 8086.

>>43260107
AFAIK there's little-to-no difference in the actual drive mechanism on 720k and 1.44MB drives, it's mainly the controller and media type. Whereas 5.25" DD drives can't use 1.2MB media at all due to the heads lacking sufficient electromagnetic current.

>>43260378
If you format 1.44MB disks at 720k, you have to remember to tape over the hole or the drive will think it's 1.44MB (if you're using it in an actual 720k drive such as found on the PS/2 25/30, this is unnecessary)

>>43260324
They're both clocked at 8Mhz, but this is strictly a paper figure as 286s are more than twice as fast as 8086s at memory access and processing instructions.

>>43260324

actually haven't had many issues with the software capabilities, pretty much just a fast XT and it will run just fine if you respect that quality of it.

I don't know, I think it was worth the $20 I paid for it but I wouldn't pay $50 for one. Maybe I'm just a jew. I would rather have a Model 55SX over a 30 any day.

>>43260455

Oh, yes, I remember this trick now.

>>43260560
The cut-down VGA on the Model 30 is an annoyance as it does not support EGA modes or 640x480x16.

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>>43246201
I had that exact model (OP pic: CPC-464) with a green monochrome screen as my first computer. My dad upgraded me to a CPC 6128D with colour screen a bit later on.

The first machine I paid for myself was my good old Amiga A1200-40. Purchased it around 1993 or 94 and loved the shit out of it for years.

Probably looks like arse now, but remember this is a time before a windows PC could do more than one thing at a time without having an aneurysm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOTWEkh_eQ

I'm going to buy a Commodore 64 from a friend for $20. If the SID chip was working it would have been a lot more.

If you have a hard disk, the Model 30 can run Windows 3.0 in real mode. You'll have to use 640x480x2 (>>43257430) since Mode 12 isn't supported.

>>43260855
And then you can play Lander or write a letter in WinWord 1.x or something.

>>43260052
MCA machines are hard to find cards for and usually require a special setup disk.

>>43260830
Being a commie who sold almost all his collection these days is torture. I'll just never get some of the things I had before but even bog standard shit has gotten ridiculously priced. Then of course you have to deal with chiptards stripping SIDs out of perfectly working machines and then tossing them. Used to see them in the want ads constantly for cheap. Now they hardly come up on craigslist and when they do it's idiots wanting $hundreds for a bunch of trash. C64 family is the most produced computer of all time but you'd never know it now.

>>43261008

Both are actually pretty easy to find, a lot of MCA system collectors have archives of every ref disk on their websites.

MCA cards can either be fuck all expensive or quite cheap on Ebay, too.

>>43259298
I know other threads have pointed this out before, but seriously look at that horrific neighborhood map on this listing.
>navigational nightmare/10

MCA isn't the problem, it's other things like the moronic use of proprietary hard disks and SIMMs in PS/2s.

Reminder that it's thanks to the Amiga that [spoiler]furfaggotry is as big as it is[/spoiler].

Only Amiga makes it possible. :^)

>>43262069
>implying that /g/ isn't mostly comprised of furry engineers, brony web developers, and Anime programmers.

>>43262301
Don't forget /pol/lock-anime sysadmins.

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>tfw I don't really have the time to do something with it

>>43262588
>Commodore
So much win.

Also nice handheld collection.

>I don't really have the time to do something with it
And so sad at the same time. ;_;

>>43262588
I'll give it a good home ;)

>>43250093
Agreed. That takes me way back. Return of the Jedi glasses. Damn I'm old.

>>43263107
It doesn't count if you're 15 and you found your dad's SW cups in the attic.

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>>43247268
>AmigaOS
>Complete multitasking in 256k of ROM on first release
>video & graphics support blew out PC cards, Mac was still black and white
>Full stereo audio out of box
>Expanded to max 8Mb of RAM
Those were the days. Signed, former A1000 and A2500 owner.

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Commodore 64 is best computer

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A-am I allowed here, g-guys?

>>43263504
HELL YEA!

>>43263504
Bring out a 4/75 or similar MC680x0 series, if you got 'em. Also your SGI Indy would probably qualify.

>>43263504
Got any VAXstations or Snakes?

>>43263504

>4

There was an even lower-end variant of the SS5?

>>43263663
SparcStation 1

My dad said he used to write BASIC programs on his Atari 800 to draw graphics shapes using trigonometric functions. It was so slow that the programs could sometimes take 30 or more minutes to execute.

>>43263666

It's using the SS5/20 case though, or is it just an SS1/2 in a newer case?

also nice trips

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>tfw my Plus 1mb setup is finally complete

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I have a working ps/2 model 50z (not the one pictured), though just the base unit and there's no working hard drive so all I can do is boot and run off single floppies but any ol keyboard and vga will work fine. Only retro machine I have that works to any degree and was the first I ever had.

>>43263847
This model shipped with a 60MB ESDI hard disk. It can fit 8MB of RAM, although the SIMMs are probably proprietary types.

>>43263504
Hell yes you are. I finished my source upgrade of my Ultra 5 to OpenBSD 5.5-stable, and now I've got vsftpd running on it.

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>>43263107
My best friend wrote a character generation program for TSR's Marvel Super Heroes on one of those. It worked perfectly. We printed the character sheets on his thermal printer =D

To this day I can't believe he slogged though all that data entry

>>43263878
If he can find an MCA IDE card, he can use common hard disk types with it.

>>43263847

One of only two 286 Microchannel systems IBM ever produced, bretty gud.

Here's a couple replacement hard disks if you have $40-$50 to blow

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Western-Digital-WD-387T-60MB-Hard-Drive-HD-IBM-P-N-6128255-/301123355843?pt=US_Vintage_Computing_Parts_Accessories&hash=item461c59c4c3

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-IBM-WD-387N-60MB-Hard-Drive-/221242974891?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item33831be2ab

I'm running a Model 70 myself, same case but it uses a 386DX-16 rather than a 286 like yours.

>>43263942
MCA IDE cards do exist, but they're rare and hard to find since most PS/2s used SCSI.

>>43263235
48 and never had the glasses in the first place. Taco Bell had pint glass, just like the bar, with looney tunes back in the 70-80s. The only thing I have from that era is vinyl.

>>43264046
>implications that anyone over 19 would waste their time on this shithole

You can fool some of the people some of the time and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time.

>>43263922
I only got to briefly play on a 400 then 800 for games. It was a friends system. I mostly had a C64 and the early Macintosh at school 84-86. Good times.

>>43264025
That and MCA IDE cards used a nonstandard type of IDE interface (but adapters to connect normal IDE were made).

Thus, if you can find a super-rare MCA IDE card and a super-rare MCA -> ATA adapter, you're good.

>>43264077
Not him, but I'm 38 and waste time in this shithole often enough.

>>43264114
>>43264077
>>43264046
>>43263107
Samefag.

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>>43264147
nailed it

>>43264194
>editing that screencap in MS Paint
Really?

>>43264241
>continued shitposting and derailment without contributing
Really?

>>43264283
Go complain to this guy >>43264046 who for whatever reason decided to start a samefag argument with himself.

>>43264100

Weren't the later lower-end Microchannel boxes IDE? Or were they using integrated controllers?

I couldn't imagine they'd be super-rare, since people would spend a shitload of money on those systems and going IDE was the only way for people using aging ESDI hardware.

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>>43264079
C64 had Jumpman aka the most aggravating game ever

I can still remember the sound effects of failure

>>43264371
Most of them used MFM or ESDI. I do not believe any desktop PS/2s had factory IDE drives.

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>>43264582
Shamus is perhaps more aggravating. Although few things are as horrible as Jumpman's Freeze level.

>>43264367
I did not. You are a liar.

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apple IIe because i can. i dont have a startup disk so i have no idea if it works. also i have an old aftermarket crt monitor

>>43264731
>apple IIe because i can. i dont have a startup disk so i have no idea if it works

Eh? Just start it up into Cassette BASIC.

>>43264793
>Cassette BASIC
how do

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>>43264813
Just turn the damn power on and it will go into BASIC if there's no bootable disk present.

>>43264813
open-apple-control-reset

>>43264855
lrn2apple2
>>43264870
ctrl-reset

open-apple with ctrl reset makes it reboot, not go into basic

>>43264891
Yeh, I remember now. The disk will just spin endlessly unless you press Ctrl-Break which puts it into BASIC.

>>43264908
>"Break"
>IBMfag detected

>>43264936
Ctrl-Break, Ctrl-C, whatever. Sameshit.

>>43264855
ITS DEAD. FUCKING ALL UR FALT. THIS IS WHY OSX IS SHIT. WINDOWS VISTA FOR LIFE

Apparently the creator of byte magazine was a francis e dec level schizo. He only died last year.

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>>43264974
It's Control-Reset

>>43265040
ur juyst a faggot shut up im burning it right now

>>43264731
I had a chance to buy one last year. It had a Monitor ///, printer, and disk drives (the original Disk II, not the DuoDrives) but they wanted $200 for it.

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I heard about minitel for the first time the other day (not french) and I heard they produced almost 10 million terminals, have anyone here seen one or owned one?

>>43265157
Wow that in alphabetical order keyboard layout

>>43265126
the machine itself goes for around a 100 i think as a collector item

Anyone have any links to any c64 or c128 type in programs?sea

>>43265218

10 printchr$(147)
20 print"Your mom is a fag";
30 goto20

>>43265177
yeah I think those were the first models, I think later models came with AZERTY

>>43256870
please respond ;_;

>>43265254
Get out faggot
This is a retro thread, not a troll thread.

>>43265313
All threads on 4chan are troll threads.

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I suppose this wouldn't count as retrocomputing, would it?

The TMS1000 microcontroller was the first device I ever programmed.

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>>43265396
and here it is

>>43265322
>4chan.org/rules
>Global Rule 3

>>43262069
I still want a source for Eric legitimately using a (presumably severely outdated) commodore Amiga in 2014.

Even an AmigaOne would seem esoteric, but if he's legitimately using something shipped out of a factory that closed before half of 4chan was born... that's so esoteric as to be incredibly respectable, Particularly since the modern web can fuck a system from 7 years ago, let alone 20.

>>43265396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6V-tuOf3dE

>>43265557
>thing that makes it practical sold separately
Mine was shit on '70s shag carpeting, too.

>>43264588

http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_77s/
http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_76i/

These are what I could find, not very common but they existed nonetheless.

>>43265269

I've only seen one in my life, not very impressive, just another 486DX-4 system.

They looked nice though.

>>43265672
And I never had the fucking Transport either.

All carpet pretty much stalled the motors and holy shit, everything was wall to wall shag. I had actually forgotten.

>>43265706

>>43264100

>>43265729
I see. Well I'm in talks to buy a 10c but I can't find any completed listings or any references pages to price.

>>43265733
Maybe your parents shouldn't have been poorfags and gotten up-to-date carpeting.

>>43265496
Remember, you asked for this.
http://www.sabrina-online.com/
>This website created and designed by Eric W. Schwartz ©2014. HTML files and web graphics created using Amiga computers and software.

>>43265759
It was 1980, kiddo.

>>43265744

I know, anon, I'm >>43264371

Those two models were onboard IDE anyway, no cards. Just wanted to see if there actually were any, most were SCSI though.

>>43265754

Do you know the specs? Is it complete?

>>43265785
>claiming your dad's childhood as your own

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>>43265759
This is what the whole US looked like in the 70's sport

>>43251720
>>43251732
The Apple ][ / Monitor /// combo was actually extremely common at the time. I can't recall if the Monitor /// preceded the execrable Apple /// or was released at the same time.

Backplane computers make me hard
http://hackaday.com/2014/02/26/hackaday-68k-enclosure-backplane-and-power/

>>43265819

>posting in a thread about things older than you
>calling people out for "claiming your dad's childhood"

>>43265773
That's... impressive.
Is there anything to suggest he uses it for daily work/computing, or am I left only knowing he still makes a comic with it?

I mean the latter is still impressive dedication to old hardware, but it's not the crazy-brilliant level [spoiler]that only Amiga makes [/spoiler]possible.

>>43265819

>>43264114
It's this samefagging autist again. Ignore him.

>>43265858
But I'm not claiming to have been alive in the 70s.

>>43265816
I don't know if it's been modified, but the side has a sticker:

Intel 486SLE 33 Mhz
260 MB HDD
4MB Ram
"MS-DOS and Windows pre-loaded", Versions unknown

Included is a power cable and the hard drive, which is external.

>>43265848
The Monitor /// apparently predated the Monitor II, but was designed for the Apple ///.
Interesting.

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>>43265861
What the fuck?

>>43265874
I was

>>43265893

if you're trying to make an offer on the thing it's worth $25-30 tops if you want it badly

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>>43263821
>mfw when I was able to pick up an NIB, still-sealed ImageWriter II on eBay a few months ago for under $100

>>43265921

noice

Do you know if you can still buy paper for these things from office supply stores? I don't know much about dot matrix printers or if they use varying standards of paper ;_;

>>43264731
Were both those floppy drives on fire at some point?

>>43265906
>I was

Case in point. I'm not an underage autist retelling my dad's childhood stories and claiming them to be me.

>>43265893
>"MS-DOS and Windows pre-loaded", Versions unknown

Most likely DOS 5-6 and Windows 3.1.

>>43265936

will you shut the fuck up and go somewhere else, I don't give a fuck about the validity of some nigger's nostalgia story, stop clouding out the content with your autism

>>43265917
Well then I did fine, we accepted $25. Only problem is the 30 minute drive I have to take. Whatever, I don't have a laptop older than 2000 yet so it'll be a good add. Also I like the look of it.

>>43265960
>will you shut the fuck up and go somewhere else

I guess you can start by going back to Reddit from whence you came.

>>43265935
Knowing the DuoDisk, it's quite likely. Those things were a reliability mess.

>>43265038
> Apparently the creator of byte
> magazine was a francis e dec
> level schizo. He only died last
> year.

Wayne Green. Created a shitload of magazines over the years. He was always idiosyncratic and notorious for his editorials on all sorts of topics that would invariably take up anywhere from 3 to 10 pages of every issue, but he never really turned into a full-on Alex Jones-level nutcase until the last ten years or so, when he was pretty much totally retired and just rambling on his blog.

>>43265157
that's just joli as fuck

why does the keyboard fold to cover the CRT? I thought Minitel was early e-mail/SMS over POTS

>>43265962

nice, hope it works out for you, take some pics when you get it in.

looks like it will make a good WFW3.11 system to fug around with

>>43266009
To be fair, he was in his 80s and probably three-quarters senile by that point.

>>43265933
Paper is paper is paper, although I don't know where you can get tractor feed stuff.

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>>43265983

not him

autists like you are just shitting up these threads with meaningless bullshit nobody cares about, I'm here to talk about retro hardware and help people, not listen to whether or not some guy really had shag carpet during his childhood

>>43265983
>>43265960
>>43265936
>>43265906
>>43265874
Stop samefag arguing with yourself, moron.

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>>43266016
>why does the keyboard fold to cover the CRT?
No idea, this one has qwertz and a "slide" keyboard
>I thought Minitel was early e-mail/SMS over POTS
according to what I've read it started as a phone directory (the phone company lent the terminals) and then it sprawled into other services (mail retail, ticket reservations, message boards, stock, etc)

>>43265157
> I heard about minitel for the first
> time the other day (not french)
> and I heard they produced almost
> 10 million terminals, have anyone
> here seen one or owned one?

What do you mean by "not French", that you're not French or you're asking about Minitel use outside of France (which was quite small)?

I've never seen one in person, but they became standard in most French homes in the 80s because the government-run phone company decided it would be better (read: they could make money off it) by no longer publishing phone books and thus forcing everyone to get a Minitel if they ever wanted to look up a phone number.

IIRC, phone number lookups were free, but nothing else was. Almost all other content (which sort of fell somewhere between the UK's Ceefax and the US's CompuServe) was actually kind of on the expensive side, so the whole thing collapsed rather rapidly once the Internet became available to home users.

>>43266095

>>43266094
>>43266094
>>43266094

all of you go away pls

>>43266095
I have no clue why anyone would do something like that.

>>43266083

I know you can still buy tractor-feed paper because dot matrix printers are still used in retail, I guess I'll just go to staples some time later this week or something and check it out.

Then I could actually use my Plus for some productive shit.

>>43266123
Some attention whore trying to make the whole thread about him. He'd get better results by using a trip.

>>43266099
>qwertz
I mean azerty
>>43266110
I'm not french, and yeah I guess it sounds pretty shitty but I still have to own a terminal.

>>43266134
I was at Staples the other day and they had a bunch of ribbons for assorted ancient printers like the Epson LQ-850 and IBM ProPrinter, but I didn't see any tractor paper anywhere.

>>43266040
Yea I'll take some good pics. I really can't find any uploaded documentation about this line of laptops, usually there is at least one collector that archives that stuff. For fun I just called Canon support to see if they had any product information about it, but the woman couldn't help me.

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>>43266160
Early IBM-branded printers were just rebadged Epsons. Most went to government sales because retailers preferred other, more profitable printer brands.

>>43266161

There are all I could find, and I'm sure you've seen the first one:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CANON+COMPUTER+SYSTEMS+INTRODUCES+FIRST+SUBNOTEBOOK+FAMILY%3A+THE+NEW...-a015210135

http://books.google.com/books?id=gzgEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA36&dq=canon+innova+subnotebook&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nfTWU9ukN4T7oATRyYGoBg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=canon%20innova%20subnotebook&f=false

seems like a bretty good mid-range subnotebook for 1994, you'll have to find the bubble jet printer that goes with them as well.

>>43266196

Stiill looking for one of those for my XT for maximum autism.

>>43266271

New thread.

>>43265933
> Do you know if you can still
> buy paper for these things from
> office supply stores? I don't
> know much about dot matrix printers
> or if they use varying standards
> of paper ;_;

Yeah, you can. I procured a box at the same time I got the printer, but I'm totally drawing a blank as to where I bought it. I THINK I had to order it online from Amazon, but it was a huge box that'll probably last me several years.

In any case, the ImageWriter uses regular 8 1/2 x 11 paper (which actually tends to be listed as "9 x 11" or something like that because it includes the feeder holes on both sides that you tear off after printing), which was pretty much the "standard issue" dot-matrix printer paper, so while you'll have to pay more today than back in the day since there's less of it being produced, it's still out there, at least for now.

(Also, like modern printers, you can adjust the guides to take thinner paper widths, like if you wanted to print postcards or something, but 8.5/9 is about as wide as it can handle.)

>>43266287
I'm pretty sure most common inkjet/laser paper will work, but probably not photo paper because it's too slick.

>>43266273
I saw the first one but not the second one, thank you that was helpful. Still, with other old computers someone has uploaded the manual, reference disks, etc. It must have been an unpopular laptop. I asked the seller if he had anything else but he didn't.

>>43266278

>shitty OP again
>hurr muh tripfags

FOR FUCK SAKE
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>>43266287

I think I actually have two reams of that shit from a random panasonic printer I got with a Compaq Presario 433. Excellent.

>>43266316

I think it was just another 486 laptop since there were a lot of them at the time, you might be able to get setup disks from vogons or vintage computer forums if someone else is running one.

>>43266317
>>hurr muh tripfags
why would we need trips?

>>43266347
There have been a few cancer ones like KyaDash, so we need to keep our guard up.

>>43266347

it's a general, sometimes you might want to use a trip if you know about something specific that others might want to ask you about and the like

why do people get so butthurt about it? I've literally seen no trip shitposting or hostility, it's usually autistic anons that ignore their post entirely, muttering something about "added to the filter" when one of them asks a question

>>43250443
Fucking qbert.

>>43266429
qbert was the shit. I had the on my windows 98 comp. I fucking love qber don't you dare say shit about him you fucking snake

>>43266494
qbert is a massive faggot
His nose is the perfect size for my dick, queer.

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>>43266335
>>43266298
>>43266224
You don't have to bump threads every five minutes.

>>43265853
Why I think my current PC is so boring. It is just a motherboard + one graphics card. PC's are pretty cool when they're filled up with expansioncards.

>>43266511
You mother fucking piece of fucking shit, Qbert is the best character. Stop being a fucking snake. Name a pc game from the 90's better than qbert. I fucking dare you. None. There were none. Qbert was the leading edge in 3d isometric graphics. He was 3d before microstuff even implimented directx. Mother fucker was 3d at a hardware level, and you're going to talk shit? The nigga's engine was assembly. Fuck you and your stupid fucking opinion you fucking snake. You don't know shit about pc games or development. Qbert was designed by a team of top developers in order to bring the best experience in a pc game possible and it did. No game brings the hours of fucking fun or replayability that qbert does. Everygame since then has been trying to emulate qbert. Do you know that qbert was the first game ported to opengl and directX. qbert was a strandard unix command for over seven years. Qbert fucking defined a generation and you're sitting here shit talking a god. I'm tired of all you mother fucking snakes.

>>43265933
Just bought a vehicle today and my down payment receipt was printer off a dot-matrix printer. The box of paper next to it had a date code of May 2013.