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Are piratefags killing torrents as a legitimate file sharing medium? Now people associate torrenting with downloading furry porn and latest episodes of HBO shows.
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>>43222769
Yes. Some isps ban or heavily throttle torrents. I have heard of at least one university kicking out (or at least threatening to) anyone they detect using any peer to peer connection.
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Honestly, I buy most of what I get through torrents. If I like it, I buy it. I realize everyone says this, but not everybody walks the walk. I feel like this is a good thing, but considering I'm probably the minority, it may be a bad thing. I dunno, not my art/music/movies being downloaded.
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many games now download via torrenting

also, i use it whenever i can because it actually supports proper pause/resume without breaking shit
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>>43222769
why would i bother with torrenting/worrying about hosting when i can simply sign up for bandcamp and have a one-page site that communicates who i am, my music to stream, and the ability to download/pay it?
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>>43222769
Any file sharing medium will be used for piracy and porn.
The internet will be used for piracy and porn.

Maybe the "industries" that are so worried about piracy need to come up with a system that reduces people's desire to pirate.

I've always thought that running everything kind of like Kickstarter would work... Let people buy the album or movie or whatever before it's released. Then, once it's released, there's no need to copy-protect it and there's no point in pirating it.
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Pirating is legitimate file sharing. If current ISP's can't realize it, another computer network will come up and steal the market.
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>>43222769

It was inevitable, and has been this way forever. Any efficient p2p network will be used for pirating.
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>>43222769

The same applies for any technology. You could just as easily say:
>Are piratefags killing HTTP as a legitimate information sharing medium? Now people associate HTTP with downloading albums of zippyshare and latest episodes of HBO shows from Mega
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>>43222867
Another side effect is that because the funding is done up front, the artist doesn't have to pander to as wide of an audience as possible to make the money back.
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what about the hundreds of tv/movie streaming sites that exist

there are file hosts which allow you to dl at high speeds for free without limit.

torrent just gets the bad rep
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>>43222895
And the artist doesn't even have to come up with a good product or in many cases even come up with a product at all.
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>>43222769
>> Blaming the victim.

Copyright maximalists are ruining bit torrent. Remove them and Bit Torrent is free to progress.
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>>43222867
>>43222895
This should be the way the world works. The reason it doesn't work this way is greed. You could cut record companies out of the picture entirely, and they sure as fuck aren't going to let that happen.

Also, some artists are too greedy. Some big shit band like Metallica is going to say "Well if we only have 30 days to accept money for our new album, we might only make ten million dollars! If we can sell it forever we can make twenty million!"
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>>43222929
True, but every kickstarter that does this can be predicted from a mile away.

>Hi I'm 12 years old and I would like to make a MMO for $3500 please and thank you
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>>43222929
They do if they ever want to do another Kickstarter. Plus, it wouldn't be unthinkable to take legal action against an artist who raised a bunch of money through fraud.
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>>43222929
I agree with this. Kickstarter is cancer.
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>>43223651
Patreon kinda makes more sense though.
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Lets be real, torrents is mainly for pirating stuff. But its an awesome way to descentralize file sharing and things like donwloading community software, etc.
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>>43222865
no ads
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>>43223783
Plus, pirating stuff is not a bad thing for me.

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Pirating only kills the industry because the industry practices are backwards and unsustainable.
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I started pirating because I had no money. But now I have a good job I'm still not buying shit because pirates ALLWAYS get the better user experience

I like steam though, I'm happy to pay for that.

It's too late for me, when I have kids I will buy them netflix and shit but they need to evolve ;)
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>>43222769
As far back as I can recall, I have never used torrents for any purpose other than to download illegal content.
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>>43223853
I got a few linux iso's and android roms before, mainly because these are the only industries which actually advertise their torrents.
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>>43223828
>Pirating only kills the industry because the industry practices are backwards and unsustainable.

ie not giving me everything i want for free is backwards

this fucking board
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>>43223893
personally I love how the example torrent in all client example screenshots is usually an ubuntu iso
>not downloading the iso from their webserver
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>>43223934
I get and seed linux iso's over bittorrent, it's faster on my connection
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>>43223916

I just bought the hobbit on Blu-ray Discâ„¢ it's only compatible with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection enabled devices.

I tried to put a copy on my PC, my phone and my tablet computer but due DRM; AACS, The Advanced Access Content System I can't do this.
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>>43224085
>put a copy on my PC
there are programs, e.g. anydvd. You should be able to find a pirated copy.
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>>43222769
>bittorrent billboard
>purchased from clearchannel
I wonder who is behind that post
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>>43224085
Blu Ray is a clusterfuck. I don't even try to rip them for the media server anymore, I just pirate movies I already own. Fucking idiots.
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>>43224126
thats the point, the only thing the MPAA is doing is hurting their consumers
those who pirate sail calm waters
all they need to do is remove DRM and reduce price. boom more sales.
To wait for a 50gb torrent to download is time consuming.
>but most people download YIFY rips
i think most people know there's a lot of quality loss.
I wouldnt mind paying $10 to own a movie not 30.
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>>43224321
>the only thing the MPAA is doing is hurting their consumers
I agree with you, on this.
>all they need to do is remove DRM
then pirating becomes more rampant
>and reduce price. boom more sales.
cheaper product does not exactly mean more sales.
I'm a user who pirates media, and games. I will never stop pirating media and games, unless I have a real incentive to do so.
Cheaper product is not an incentive.

>To wait for a 50gb torrent to download is time consuming.
10GB rips are more than enough. I've got a 20GB rip of hobbit, and it looks quite nice.
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>>43222769
Who the fuck gives a shit what the normies think.
>2014
>watching western media
top lel
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I don't think pirates can kill torrents, if they could we would know about it by now. Honestly, a group of ragtag boat hijackers being able to control the weather? That'd be cool but it can't happen.
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>>43224435
what?
they already have
torrenting is associated with pirating
you don't even say 'pirate a movie', you say 'torrent a movie'
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>>43224464
>Not getting it from your scene groups top site FTP server

Fucking filthy casuals
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>>43224464
>How to tell someone only read the first half of a post: The Post
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>>43224464
I think he was going for

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
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>>43224525
>gnu actually tells you what words to say and not to say
So much freedom
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>make your product difficult to get, especially outside the US
>fill it with ads and commercials
>act surprised when people pirate it
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>>43224510
Yep.

I like my torrents and my torrentbro's
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>>43224544
>(or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing
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>>43222808
>Install WoW
>End up kicked out of uni
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>>43224515
his analogy is not useful here
pirated media is used for 99% of torrents
his analogy implies that pirated media takes up a very small fraction.
>>43224525
not even going to open that link ok
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>>43224611
You're fucking retarded. His analogy was against the word "piracy".
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>>43224631
oh. shit.

torrents, like weather
oh man do I feel dumb
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>>43224372
>then pirating becomes more rampant
No, then they'd buy it. The reason torrents like this exist, aside from being cheap assholes, is to get rid of DRM. My friend pirated BF3 for the single player because his internet is spotty, but he bought the full game, too. He didn't wanna deal with the always online shit.
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>>43222769
Okay listen.
It's either a free internet or a worksafe internet.
You're just going to have to deal with the piracy unless you want a government/ISP regulated stream of perpetual status updates, proprietary software, advertisement, and mass data collection.
People always say it's not that black and white; that you don't have to choose freedom vs security, and in the short term, they're right, but in the long run you will find yourself completely surrounded and entrenched in the things which you had previously claimed would only be a minor influence to your personal freedom, liberty, and rights.
We must make the choice now or suffer like the frog in the pot.
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The only people afraid of torrents are mediocre people. Mediocre artists, mediocre game designers, mediocre film makers, mediocre writers. Because they're mediocre, they think everyone is as mediocre as them. Because they're mediocre, they're mostly in it for the money, and not for the creation. Good people actually want others to share their work, because it gives them more recognition and they're satisfied with others enjoying what they do. Conversely, good people donate for what they enjoy, because they know it's what keeps them going. There are many examples of artists, writers, game developers and such giving away their work and living off donations and alternative means: software developers sell tech support, musicians make their money off performance (and they know their audience is going to be wide since their music is good and it's been shared by everyone), some get sponsored, advertised, etc. But the real viable business plan is "pay2patch" or "pay2release", aka requiring money to keep working on a given period of time (with specifics for each contract). Obviously the good ones are going to get a much better reputation than the mediocre ones, so spending all day churning out shit java code from 9 to 5 or releasing one little cheesy game version or tube every 9 months isn't going to be viable.

So there you have it. With generalized piracy, a lot of industries will decline, but only its most mediocre components will be out. How entitled consumers are to expect good content to come from whom they pay.
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>>43222769
patents, copyrights, trademarks, brands, etc. Are just a mechanic that allows people with money to monetize ideas. These are not REAL properties, but meta-properties, granted in the assumption that such mechanic will push progress, research and quality of life.

This, obviously, is not the case in a scenario where they're literally fighting against technology. Properties related to art should be reduced in lifetime to 5-10 years, or chomped away directly.
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>>43224686
No. The reason Piracy exists is because current forms are not convient.,

Netflix is full of DRM, but its getting very popular
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>>43224372
DRM does not affect pirates. It only serves to inconvenience the paying customer.
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>>43224715
only in Murrica
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when did people start thinking the law dictates right and wrong?

when did it become shameful to share files, because it fucks with your half-assed business model

Kill youself, Hollywood
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>>43223916
If you're so hung up on the idea of free being bad, why do you think the radio was so successful?

If it wasn't for the radio, music wouldn't have exploded in the 50's and 60's.
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>>43222769
I don't see what criminals sailing on high seas abducting ships have to do with bittorrent.
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>>43224575
WoW would result in dropping out anyways.
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Piracy doesn't hurt sales.

Most people who pirate stuff does so because they wouldn't spend money on that stuff in the first place or because they have spent as much money as they could on those things and then pirate to keep consuming.
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