>unpacking 29GB archive to 7200rpm HDD >20 minutes >unpacking

>>43089912
what are you trying to achieve with this post?

>>43089928

HDD fags sure got told, seems to be the main communication.

>SSD system disk
>HDD for mass storage

>2014
>Thinking they are mutually exclusive.

>>43089912
?? OP is not a fag
?? OP is a fag

>>43089952

HDD fag status:
? Slowly Butthurt

>>43089933
i have an ssd in my thinkpad, running GNU/linux.

source on that benchmark op?

>>43089978

My PC. Feel free to replicate these results.

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>>43089977

>>43089912
why are you lying?
SSDs suck regarding sequential reading/writing.

yes but can your SSD last for 10 years like my HDD ? NO

Call back when you can get a TB of storage for less than $90.
You can't btw

>>43090055
>implying you will keep any hardware in production for 10 years
>implying a HDD could stay alive for 10 years of non stop usage
i am a part of the SSD cult but your little story has some holes

>>43089988
no, I just wanted to see which SSD and which HDD

>>43089912
>Using an HDD for anything but coldstorage and Seedboxes.

Op gtfo you are an embarrassment to SSD users all around

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>>43089912
>having 29gb archive with no means of unpacking on-the-fly
gb2 '90s

>unpacking 29GB archive to 7200rpm HDD
>20 minutes
>unpacking the same file to an SSD
>5 minutes
>unpacking the same file to a ramdisk
>3 seconds

HDD fag status:
? Butthurt
? SuperTold
x Intelligent Consumers

SSD fag status
? Pleb
? Told
x Intelligen Consumers

>>43090236
>Having a 16GB+ Ramdisk
Okay

>>43090050
Sounds like a winfag problem

>>43090293
please leave.

GL in 2 years SSD users.

Always back up to a HDD.

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>>43090961

>>43090358
Confirmed

>>43089912
>using such shitty compression that its bottlenecked by disk instead of by CPU
Pleb

>>43090050
Yeah I'm gonna need a citation for such blatant ignorance.

SSDs are fine if you enable trim

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I can't afford enough SSDs to store all my porn.

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>>43090082
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

You argument is invalid dumbfuck. Do you even consumer market?

>>43091718
>still believing Moore's Law is a thing
kek

>>43091594
Got any Kobe Tai?

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>>43091779
>1GB
>Cost $81k in 1981

That's almost a quarter of a million today.

>>43091779
>green texting things as though they are invalid arguments
The toppest of keks

>>43089912
>unpacking a compressed iso.bz file
>3 minutes on hdd
>3 minutes on ssd
Hmmm.
>Intel 335 240GB
>WD Caviar Green 3TB

>>43091594
I bet that is not all porn and you just doing it for replies

pretty pathetic imho tbh

>>43090250
>being poor

>>43091718
>Can't afford 1 TB under $90
>MUH MOORE'S LAW IT WILL BE THERE EVENTUALLY
Give it up

>>43091594

You obviously value your porn. I do, too.

That's why I use a RAID-5.

Put your porn in a RAID-5. Yes, you get the fault tolerance, but it also serves to "unify" the capacity of the drives. Meaning there's just one, really big, porn drive.

>>43091920
There are physical limitations that prevent Moore's Law from being an eternal truth. We have reached these limits. It's been over 2 years since we've seen a duplication of transistor amount inside integrated circuits. We've reached a point where the transistors we make are so small, quantum tunneling becomes an issue.

Face it anon. Moore's Law is kill.

>>43092235
Give up what? My super sexy OS loading times? No thank you. I can in fact afford one as a boot disk you ignorant fuck. Go back to /b/ with your "muh opinions I disagree with" bullshit.

>>43092212
Hello there, newfriend.

>>43092319
We'll find a way, Anon. We'll find a way.

>>43092333
>telling people to fuck off when they use the "my opinion > your opinion" card
Welcome to 4chan

So basically this is some SSD elitist telling us all he is better than us, right?

Is it true that once you get to high enough download speeds your HDD can't keep up with the incoming data so it becomes the bottle neck in the download experience?

>>43091594
That's why we outsource.

https://aws.amazon.com/s3/

>>43092335
Unfortunately we're far from dominating quantum manipulation, so yeah. Unless we start making circuits that use something other than transistors (read: quantum computers), technology will reach a point in the very near future where it will not advance.

>muh singularity

>>43092378

Vacuum tubes are making a comeback. It won't be more, but it will be faster.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/06/nasa-melds-vacuum-tube-tech-with-silicon-to-fill-the-terahertz-gap/

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>>43089912
>unpacking 29GB archive to 7200rpm HDD
>use 10% of disc space
>unpacking the same file to an SSD
>use 50% of disc space

>>43092378
That's good. Maybe then programmers will finally have time in a single hardware generation start learning how to optimize and fully take advantage of current hardware instead of just relying on brute force power to run their programs.

>>43092365
Not sure about that

Does all information that's downloaded get directly written to the hard drive or does it go through RAM first?

Probably a stupid fucking question but I'd honestly like it if someone could answer it

>>43092333
>muh boot times
>spending $300 to boot up 10 seconds faster
>paying $30/second
nice toy bud
>>43092365
A typical HDD has 80-100MB/s, it will drop when it gets full but it's unlikely you're downloading at 50+MB/s. It probably enters ram first too.

>>43089912
Unless your goal is actual file storage. Because the cost per gigabyte is ridiculusly huge.

But you should definitely use SSDs for the system disk and any "cache" disks.
But HDDs for storage.

>>43091594
Dood, check out StableBit DrivePool. Would show all your porn as one disk. Problem solved.

>>43092423
>Cost per GB is ridiculous huge.

Check your twenty tens privilege. I'd like to see you say that back at the turn of the century and see what comes about.

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>2011+3
>thinking HDDs and SSDs aren't entirely different technologies for entirely different purposes
shig

>>43092417
They're still the future you pleb. I bet you're one of those people that still uses floppy drive adapter. you also probably said the same thing about HDDs before the 21st century.

>>43092513
The Cloud is the future you retard.

>>43092513
>Paying 5x the cost per GB for marginal speed increases
>any year

>unpacking 4 29GB archives to 2TB HDD for 80$
>alright bro :^)
>unpacking 4 29GB archives to 120GB SSD for 80$
>whoops, out of space
And that's why SSDs were born already dead. Maybe in another 5 years.

>>43092561
>born already dead
>same shit you shills said about HDDs

>>43092580
[damage control]

>>43092561
>being this poor

What's a good case to store a bunch of hard drives and keep them cool? I got a couple seagate 3TB HDDs for cheap and they can get kind of hot around 33-34C

I also have a 6 year old WD black that gets to 36-37C. I'm using a cooler master elite 430 as my case and it's fucking trash. There are cables everywhere

Who even needs all those TBs? Nice try shitlords, but you aren't using all that.

>>43092550
>Relying on networks instead of local storage
>Letting anyone read your data
Shiggy doggy

>>43092590
>wasting money that can be spent on better GPU or something that actualy matters

>>43092400

Who uses a 300GB Hard drive and a 60GB SSD

>Not using a 30gb ide drive with 512kb of cache.
Who cares if you can boot in 8 seconds? I dont even notice the difference!

So what happened with memristors? I thought we were going to get petabyte scale storage with that.

OP status
? From /v/

>>43092591
>cooler master elite 430

wow, I thought I suffered through this alone, I'm glad I have a brother who understands

>>43092641
I bought it because it had a nice window and was only $30.

what a fucking regret

>>43092451
Sorry, "the difference in cost per GB is ridiculously huge."
That's what i meant. Better?

>get 1TB SSD as only storage on my gaymen machine because i'm an ignorante ricerfag
>get nvidia card because I'm a good sillicon goy
>get 16gb of ram because i'm complete retard at knowing where overkill isn't wasted
>shadowplay can't ssave the shadowed footage to ram and must do it to a physical medium

My primary drive is an HDD.
I boot from it, archive to/from it, etc. 3TB
But, I have a 60GB SSD cache, and a ton of RAM (32GB), and the system outright screams.

>20 minutes vs 5 minutes
This is what SSDfags actually believe. More like 5 minutes vs 4 minutes 51 seconds.

>OMG WE'RE SO MUCH FASTER HOLY SHIT PAYING FUCKTONS MORE FOR LESS SPACE WAS SO WORTH IT

lol SSD

>>43090055
yes

>>43092679
More like your mom vs my dick.

>SSD
>Small capacity
>High price
>Can't securely delete anything
>Shits the bed when required to do anything other than loading static files

>>43089972
Wow, that's super cool.

>>43092758
>Can't securely delete anything
AFAIK you can just make the whole drive unreadable by changing one of the keys it uses to "decrypt" stored files or something. Basically flick a switch and your drive is securely wiped. Try to do that on an HDD

>>43092806
>I don't know what I'm talking about
>but it sounds good, take that HDDfags!
toppest kek

>>43092758
>>Can't securely delete anything
The Department of Defense approved method for traditional hard drive secure erase is a 7x overpass of random data.


Come back when you can do that in a reasonable time on a hard disk. Probably takes the same amount of time grinding a SSD to powder would.

>Shits the bed when required to do anything other than loading static files
lol, ok, so when are there "dynamic" files and how often are they large. (honestly idk what the fuck you even mean by this)

>>43092596
>letting Google hand over my shit to the NSA: not even once

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>>43089940
MASS STORAGE

>>43092758
>>Shits the bed when required to do anything other than loading static files
kek, i figured out what you ment. holy shit you're dumb

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte
.
>The last time we checked in, the SSDs had just passed the 600TB mark. They were all functional, but the 840 Series was burning through its TLC cells at a steady pace,

Its like you dont know just HOW MUCH 600tb is

>>43089940
>learn to mirror

SSDs are expensive

>>43092824
>7x overpass of random data
Please don't ever fucking do this on an SSD, there's secure erase for a reason you retards

>>43092832
why is your system using commas instead of decimal points?

>>43089912
it's faster but it also breaks faster

>>43092925
That's the DOD's method of securely wiping HDD's

There is no secure wipe for ssd's. The NSA just grinds them up into powder

>>43092824
>what is TRIM

>>43092927
because hes from europe

>>43092928
a standard HDD is good for around ten years. A standard SSD is determined to be good for around 7. Not a huge issue.

>>43092927
Because if you look at C:\ it's 57 and a half Gigabyte left, which means it's a comma.
If it was period it'd be 57.4xx, and I don't have 57k GB left.
1.250 is 1250
1,250 is 1,¼

>>43092758
>>Can't securely delete anything
Still having cp in 2014 with turecrypt and tor this broken.

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>>43089912

>unpacking 29GB archive on SSD
>5 minutes
>unpacking 29GB archive on RAM
>30 seconds

SSD fag status
? Super Butthurt
? Super Told


Also, OP why you using a transparent still? This isn't 2005.

This seems really inaccurate to me. Why not represent it as 57.4? What am I not getting about this?

>>43093069
>Also, OP why you using a transparent still? This isn't 2005.

Transparent GIF still

>>43093084
1.234,56
1,23456

>>43092905
stop being poor.

>>43092365
>Is it true that once you get to high enough download speeds your HDD can't keep up with the incoming data so it becomes the bottle neck in the download experience?

It is true. HDDs have ~100mbyte/s average speed, but this varies between the inner and outer rims of the disk. Let's take a 3tb WD Red as an example, which goes from 150mbyte/sec to 60mbyte/sec depending where on the disk you write.

Assuming you have gigabit internet, you can download at ~110mbyte/sec. If the disk only has enough space on the outer rims, your download speed will exceed the speed at which the HDD can write the data to disk, so your download speeds will drop.

This is using completely optimal non-real world conditions mind you. In real world you have to take other things in account too, such as if the data comes sequentially (http, ftp, etc) or randomly (torrent), how your download client (http/ftp/usenet/torrent) buffers the incoming data, whether the buffered data is written sequentially to pre-reserved sectors or just appended to the file (in which case fragmentation can occur), and also whether there is enough continuous space to save the file you are downloading, or if it has to be written to the drive in a fragmented manner.

That and you need to find an ISP that can reliably provide you internet speeds that exceed your HDD speeds, all the necessary equipment to handle that (gigabit capable network card and switch/router, CAT6 vs CAT5 cabling, etc), AND a download source that can provide you such speeds reliably. For the latter, torrents would be the most likely choice due to their p2p nature, at which point you are at the mercy of how your torrent client writes the incoming data to HDD.

Or you can just save to SSD and then copy to an archival HDD later, bypassing nearly all such problems.

>>43093115
still not getting it

>>43093145
sorry m8 i don't have money to not be poor

>>43093069
>unpower the computer
>SSD retains data
>RAM deletes all data

what now, bitch.

>>43093169
Then get better at understanding.

>>43093169
period marks thousand points. comma marks fractions.

1.234,56 = one thousand two hundred thirty four and 56 hundredths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark

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>>43093165
>caring about HDD bottlenecks when most people outside of Sweden and Google Fiber status get <15Mbs

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>>43093204

>unpowering a computer

>>43093262
>there are only two countries in the world
here i can get VDSL up to 100mbps (~15 euro) and fiber up to 1Gbit (25 euro)

>>43089912
I can't shake the notion of that my expensive SSD will degrade on performance on time.

>>43093262
I care because my ISP just introduced gigabit lines on their FTTB platform (and doubled the speed of every non-gigabit packs they had).

They still need to upgrade a lot of switches inside the buildings, so its not available everywhere yet, but I'm already rocking 100mbit for ~17€ which will be freely upgraded to 200mbit later on. With an option for 500mbit or 1gbit for 4-8€ more.

>>43093305
>>43093346
>Europe
>fedora singularity achieved

>>43092595
>muh chinese cartoons
>muh porn
>muh teevee
>muh totaly legit acquisition methods

>>43092978
>a standard HDD is good for around ten years.
Unless it litterally never gets used, this is incorrect.

>>43093328
Maybe in 10 years, but do you really plan on even using the same hard drive for the next 10 years?

>>43093328
>I can't shake the notion of that my expensive SSD will degrade on performance on time.

I don't have the exact math but I once checked how much time it would take to reach the factory exhaust count of the flash cells in my Intel 330 SSD, and it came out to something like 70 years based on the average rate of data written in the past year (and I do use the drive for a lot of caching and a scratchpad for mass file conversions).

Chances are that other parts of the SSD will fail much faster than that (caps, etc).

As for performance, their speed depends on how much a cell is used. Consolidate all the free space and then the drive controller can write incoming data to completely free blocks, which is faster than writing to semi-used blocks. And that is how you can improve your SSD speeds by 1-200mbyte/sec by defragmenting it.

>>43093414
>chinese cartoons
I keep seeing people posting that they use it or others it but I have never seen any images posted from a chinese studio.

>>43093368
I'm sorry that you are butthurt over your place having third world country infrastructure.

>>43093440
>>>>>/a/

>>43093480
But that place is for anime, not chinese cartoons.
Where's the chinese cartoons?

Shouldn't they have their own sub-forum if it's so popular here, yet never posted?

>>43093503
Sure is summer in here...

>>43092580
[strawman intensifies]

>>43092665
>RAM
>not physical
Pick one

>>43092868
Just enough to make it unusable for servers and any type of often-accessed media such as music. SSDs are only good as boot drives and to install demanding software on them. For archival purposes, HDDs are the way to go.

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>>43093537
Sure is. It's July and the sun us up.
Still didn't answer the question.
Where are the Chinese cartoons?

>not having an SSD and a HDD for storage
i don't even know what you're trying to accomplish. the fucking archive would end up on the HDD anyway, are you suggesting i should unarchive shit on a SSD and then copy it to an HDD? fuck you, i ain't autistic

>>43092868
>intel stopping you from accessing your data after the writes exhaust
oy vey, the jewing never stops!

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>sitting in lecture hall ready to LEARN
>guy next to me gets his laptop out
>turns it on
>suddenly hear the awful sound of an HDD whirring up
>2 minutes later it's finally booted up, lecture already started
>I'm pretty sure the table is shaking now thanks to his HDD
>can't focus because of the stupid noise of it spinning and the write head wiggling around
>mfw

HDD faggots need to die

>>43093440
How fucking new are you?

>>43093754
I've been here since 2004 so no, I'm not new.
Answer the question.
Where's all the Chinese cartoons that people talk about.

>>43093775
Fucking newfag, I've been here since 2001.

>>43093817
Cool, then you where here before the site was made.
Retard.
Answer the question.

>>43093775
just incase you arnt baiting. its just taking the piss out of anime. like hey fag youre chinese cartoons are gay as

>>43093829
Anyone who has been here for more than a few months knows about Chinese cartoons.

>>43093866
My, that's quite immature of them since it's not even related to China.
That's like saying all American pride stuff is made in Brazil or similar.
>>43093871
But as it turns out there never was any Chinese cartoons, just retards trying to troll.

Cool then whenever I see a person referring Japanese animation as Chinese cartoon it's automatically being reported.
Adding "chinese cartoon" to the auto report script.

>>43093909
we're sorry you didnt get the joke

>>43089912
>left: remarkable piece of engineering
>right: boring collection of stock chips that a chinese monkey could put together

>>43093942
No, no. continue using it as a joke as long as you don't get angry if someone pisses on America's one and only redeeming part "pride"... well they do have a lot of pride festivals for those that still stand for American pride.

>>43090050
I still haven't owned an SSD to this day. Is this true? I can't see any reason to assume they would be worse at that than an HDD is. Any citation?

>>43093973
but im english

>>43089972
I mean *what else* would you be using?

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>>43093984
Then chap, let's have a pint for that.

>>43094021
bit expensive in london, but if its your round then sure

>>43093981
it's wrong. Sequential reads they are 5x faster than a HDD.
Random reads are where they're ridiculous, 90-900x faster, and that's just for SATA SSDs.

>>43093415
I've certainly been using the same HDDs for ~10 years without problems, for root filesystems and swap.

>>43094041
Why would you even use the same hardware for 10 years?

>>43094064
Why switch it? I have all my data storage on NFS anyway, so I just keep reusing the same old 40 GB disks for root filesystems in various computers.

>>43092927
le not murica

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How long would my hard drives last if

>Western Digital Red (made for servers / NAS)
>3tb
>Only get used to store files
>Mostly only reads

I know 3tb drives are not made for reliability but they were on sale and considering they are Reds then I supposed that's something.

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>>43093661

>>43094077
>le maymay-fags trickling over from /b/
Git gud

WD green VS seagayt barracuda for storage

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>>43094124
That's real pretty, anon.

>>43094314
Green is western digital's cheap consumer version of their hard drive and uses lower quality components (not by much but still) than their other drives while barracuda is seagate's overall drive.

To be honest, I've owned both and neither are very good, just so so.

Choose whichever to be honest.

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>>43094332
I've got another one, they make good wallpapers

>>43094364
Lazerhawk King of Streets intensifies.

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>>43093661
>You now notice that there is many boards for shitty japanese cartoons but not one for awesome chinese cartoons

>>43094124
>3 year warranty
About 3 years.

>>43094345
Not very good in terms of speed or what?
Thanks

>>43092406
this

>>43089912
>buying an SSD for ultimate speed and ultra low latency
>not SATA/SAS connection

OP, you are a fag.

>>43092365
Lel you would have to consistently get over 800mpbs for that on a modern hdd, anon

>>43094314
>seagayt
Wow, smells like summer in here.

>>43092437
Or just use JBOD like someone who's not a pleb.

>>43093817
Watch out, we've got an oldfag over here. -_-

>not unpacking to ramdisk un 5 seconds

>>43093557
.....what are you even talking about, you delusional fuckwit?

>>43094314

Dont you mean Western Dickital? HUEH..