Just picked up a T420 for $250 on eBay with dedicated graphics and 1600x900. Huge upgrade from my T61.
Is there any worthwhile upgrades to the T420 that I should consider besides the obvious MSATA SSD?
I had a T520 which has the same screen a W520 would. It's a TN panel with shitty contrast and a wide gamut.
Yeah, re-read that a few times.
ThinkPads have some of the worst fucking screens in a laptop outside of the IPS models, which are sadly limited to old hardware and/or 1366x768.
No. The T4xx series is limited to awful 6-bit, extremely low contrast panels with awful colors and STATIC dithering.
They're business laptops, so I guess Lenovo figured businessmen don't give a shit about screen quality.
Wow, that's a hell of a deal you got right there, nice.
I'm using a Dell Latitude E5430 I bought for like $600, it was the only decent laptop available in that moment so it was fine.
drawfag here, anyone with experiences when it comes to x series tablets' compatibility and utility with photoshop/sai/etc.?
was intending to get a non-tablet x series and just get a small wacom to go with it, but realized i might as well ask you guys first. youtubers' opinion is all over the place.
I own an X220 Tablet, but I didn't really get a good experience with the digitizer yet because I had to send it in under warranty shortly after acquiring to get the display replaced because pressure sensitivity was fucked (also affected touch greatly, would jump around everywhere), see pic.
I couldn't find anyone online that had similar problems so I don't think it's something that should worry you.
quick attempt at drawing Tomoko before I sent it off and I had turned pressure sensitivity entirely off, but it annoyed the shit out of me so I just gave up (. _.)
yes, that and the x230 can only use proprietary batteries.
i can get a x220 - 8GB, 160GB SSD for $450...should i? or lurkmoar for x230 for muh hd4000 grafix?
Try to go for under $400. It's been done. Also X230s are far more expensive.
HD 3000 graphics are good enough for most uses anyway. Can play Source games pretty well if you get dual-channel RAM.
Is there more to why the x201 is better?
I want to upgrade to an x220 from my T61 for the size and battery life. In what regard would an older x series model be better than the x220?
In a sense that the SSD speed is limited at 3 gigabytes per second with the x201, that could be better, depending on the way you think.
Also for an actual better thing, the x220 lost its awesome=looking screen bezel.
>>Is there more to why the x201 is better?
not really. it's only 100-150 cheaper for inferior hardware. if you are a dedicated neckbeard than stop at x220 because muh keyboard and freer battery options.
>Is there more to why the x201 is better?
Better build quality
It's objectively better in every way but the processor, but the x201's processor is more than good enough anyway unless you play games or something
x220 is a thinkpad only by name, it has nothing in common with the brand
The X220 also has an alloy body. And coming from someone who has owned both the build quality of both is excellent. Plus the X220 has IPS and still has the 7-row keyboard.
X230 is where it started falling apart. But even that isn't so bad compared to the monstrosity that is the X240.
Just got t430 with broken esc key.
Though that I would probably get new keyboard for it regardless so t430 keyboard or t420 keyboard?
If the only problems with t420 keyboard are that some irrelevant keys won't work (I used chromebook for year and it didn't even have fucking page up/down) I can live with it but does it fit well or do I have to force it or mod/cut some of it's corners?
There are things to pick at, but some of them aren't necessarily on the mark.
The X220 uses a magnesium alloy chassis as per all X series
The X201's panel is better in aspect ratio, however as a TN panel it's mediocre whereas the X220 has an IPS panel, albeit suffering with 1366x768
The keyboard is subject to shitstorm relating to the double height escape and delete keys along with key spacing
Build quality is a thing though. With the whole palmrest cracking and RF window bezel issue.
For a perfect fit, the palmrest from the T420 last I read
Depends on the content
For the X220t/X230t, in portrait mode the aspect ratio means that it's really skinny, though still somewhat usable.
Otherwise, the X200t/X201t are a bit better in that respect.
Although if you're using them purely for reading, they are kind of chunky in that respect. But for the first 2 models listed, the touchscreen is a bonus as most have it. In the latter 2, some models have touchscreens.
Sold it for 300 Australian dollaroos to a friend and got the x220 for 350 AUD (including shipping)
I really like the x220. It feels really nice to type on and no it isn't really different other than having less LEDs, screen on this is gorgeous.
I can play several 1080p webms on the screen with minimal stutter whereas the x201 stutters a bit. I wouldn't worry much about performance difference unless you plan on gaming which is kind of dumb since it's a business laptop.
Does any of following TP models have good internal design (well designed HSF for example) and good build quality: T42, T42p, T60, T60p, T61 and T61p?
If you answer yes, then you dont know shit, because last well designed and built ThinkPad sold on consumer/"business" market was made in early 2000s.
Aside from IBM internal testing units of several models, which had much better build quality than the final product, none of T series laptops are well build or even designed. T20 was already crap compared to any 600 series model quality wise.
For shitty design example, every T series laptop has inadequate cooling and the units are literally frying pans. T60/p really takes the cake with shitty HSF design, GPU and and NB are always on fire, not to speak of VRAM, which is not cooled at all.
My buddy needs a laptop for school, and while I've succeeded in keeping him from buying a preplanned obscolecense consumer grade plastibox, he isn't ready to jump ship to the used thibkpad market yet.
Would a e420 be a good purchase? He seems to think so.
can you put one of those 1080p x230 screens in an x220? I'm finding conflicting reports.
do you mean edge e420?
there is edge e145, it has 11" and it looked really nice, especially the battery life.
Right now is coming out new amd kaveri/beema edges
edge e445 or e545 but generally e series is shit
>tfw want x220 but the resolution is so low
life is suffering.
>It's not THAT bad...
it really is, my phone has a 1080p screen.
dont know shit disclaimer:
i was using an old thinkpad t60p as an htpc.
want to buy a new one and just throw the old one away but cant find the exact model i used to have (want to use the same peripherals/spot in my house)
productid sticker says 2613hqu
Pretty happy with my T510i, bought it from someone today for 175 euro. Still gonna upgrade to a 250GB SSD and maybe 8GB of ram.
My HP Elitebook 8440p had overheating issues even after cleaning the fan and replacing the cooling paste and remounting the heatsink.It had a first gen i5 as well, but my Thinkpad stays around 35 degrees idle while my HP would have been around 50 degrees. And it's hot as fuck outside too.
e6220, 2560p, or x220?
the x220 is about $100 more expensive than the other two, and the e6220 doesn't come with a trackpoint by default I'd have to buy a replacement keyboard.
Really leaning towards the 2560p.
Replace the fan or it needs a good dusting, or heck it might not even be connected.
I was customizing a Dell M4800 and it came out to be around $2000
On eBay there were a few samples that were $1600 which had the QHD+ and quad core cpu that I really wanted
Get the 2560p
In relation to this --
All thinkpad's use VGA's right? So it actually shouldnt matter and I should just get the cheapest one.
I upgraded the RAM on the t60P as well -- which thinkpads use the same RAM?
>All thinkpad's use VGA's right?
newer ones sure have other connectors, and some older ones support DVI via a dock
using a t60p as a htpc sounds a bit...silly, tho. are those even capable of running high quality video? (10 bit 1080p, for example)
i had the thinkpad laying around collecting dust, i had no other use for it so i said what the hell. and it changed my life. i know its a bit silly but I dont want to drop $250 on buying the parts to build an actual HTPC.
figure i may try to open it up and fix the fan error myself or spend another $100 bucks or so for a replacement thinkpad.
my x200 complains that wifi has been "switched off by hardware switch". The wireless switch is on and bluetooth / usb wifi works though.
I have tried multiple different mpcie wifi cards (i installed BIOS whitelist) but none of them has worked! All return the same error. And since the x200 has 3 different mpcie slots I have tried all of them - but no help, mpcie wifi STILL doesn't work. What gives?
Not really, I was just looking for something for my sister and she said she wanted a docked setup like I do with my ThinkPad. But I didn't want to force her into using VGA and DisplayPort monitors are usually expensive... So lack of DVI was kind of the deal breaker.
But there's also no middle mouse button for the trackpoint and there's stupid little nubs on the top of the palm rest just underneath the keyboard that are supposed to be there to protect the screen, but I find them extremely annoying from experience with other EliteBooks.
>16:9 768p screen
Fair enough, but you can actually replace the screen for a better one. Not ideal, but the option is there.
>decreased build quality
>throttling and overheating
Not if you use an 90W AC adapter and clean/apply thermal paste.
Can easily be disabled in the BIOS.
What distro do you recommend for my new(ish) t60 with 1 gig ram?
Ideally I want everything to work as smoothly as possible (hotkeys and all).
Something like Xubuntu / Lubuntu? or Puppy, even?
Best of luck, my first Thinkpad, the x61T had that error. I was lucky all it took was some dusting. I haven't came across one where the fan doesnt work.
I havent heard of overheating issue but holy fuck the palmrest on a X61 says otherwise.
I thought this would of been great too, but the R61 has a different heatsink, you'll have to remove fins from a T60/61 for it to fit, it is smaller on one part. It does look durable still, the standard fan on an R60 seems like shit as well. Oh and sadly R60's didn't come with IPS panels, so I have a 15" Non-IPS SXGA+ screen heuheu
I use Linux Mint on my A31p, mostly the bottleneck is the CPU, ram doesn't go above 700mb I think, but the CPU i got is a 1.7GHz.
ElementaryOS on the T43p, works well and seems to have good battery life, almost 3 hours. Yeah I paid $80 for it and its UXGA display has yellowing on the corners but it is solid.
Too expensive. Get t410 for this cash.
But to yours question: gpu doesn't work well with anything. Flash kills your browsing experience, even when blocked html5 does.
Didn't check on 3.16 tho
Sucks that the X60 had the best IPS display, X61T suffers from the screen bubbles and it has "speckles" for the glue that they used.
I've had an X200T with multitouch and at wide angles it would get blurry a bit, somewhat disapointed. My XGA X61T was great other then the 'bad' screen res. Fuck I need a pen and battery for my unit.
I sold a T400 for $140 or $120 I think with a P8400 CPU, integrated graphics and a WXGA+ screen from a T61. I want to say it is a bit much, not knowing what country you are buying from.
I'm not sure how linux works with switchable graphics, I heard its not good.
If you're going to be doing any CAD work make sure you get something with discrete graphics. Even with RoyalBNA I can't get much horsepower out of the 4500MHD graphics. I guess they're sort of fine for office work and whatnot, but I wish I had the Mobility Radeon 3470 instead.
Get something supporting the ultrabay. Get an ultrabay with it and some GPU.
Sometimes, you would have to make sure that it has Nvidia Optimus, which automatically switches to integrated. But if there is no integrated graphics, then you would be stuck with the Nvidia.
Well, it doesn't have a latch and its screen buttons look different, oh and while I don't use the trackpad I would've still preferred a non clickpad design
(pic related isn't mine, I'm not at home right now)
Look at X-series, they are "ultraportables" and are the smallest and lightest of the recommended ThinkPads.
Probably an X201 would suite you just fine for a few years easily. Maybe consider the convertible tablets too if you need to hand-write the notes.
Notice there is no dedicated trackpad buttons like there is on the X201, because they are embedded into the bottom part of the trackpad, you push down on the trackpad, it clicks, left and right click.
Yeah it still looks good, I don't regret buying it at all.
Well, it doesn't have separated buttons like yours, you push the trackpad to left/right click. (I'd say half to 3/4 of the trackpad is clickable)
But it doesn't seem to be nowhere near as bad as the newest generation's clickpad, this one is still quite good.
normal laptops have way smaller than that dude. 1360x768 is the moist common laptop res. its kinda sad phones now have higher res screen than laptops because most of the consumer base doesn't give a fuck.
Reseller is someone that buys secondhand ThinkPads from either private sellers or businesses, wipes the lid clean, blows the dust out, and reinstalls the OS and then sells it for +$100 profit.
Better to skip the middle man in the first place and get it for cheaper.
Also, craigslist if you live in a fairly populated area.
W500 does gud enough for LoL
An anon had a T420 with the best graphics card available for it and reported better results for newer games
I game on a W700ds, haven't played Skyrim but it looks like it may do OK with either medium or in high.
Regarding build quality and serviceability, I think S series is the sencond lowest tier right next to the Edge/E series.
An L series is better I think, not sure about LCD replacing on those, so don't ask.
>had an SL400c
>absoulutely the worst Thinkpad I had opened up
>twas like an consumer HP or acer laptop inside with its ribbon cables and had to take out alot more bezels for the damn LCD hinges
>be a reseller
I normally resell via auction, sold a W500 for $240 when they go for that without a garantee on a battery or OS.
Craigslist is just as expensive, given those people are selling their own laptop they paid good money for.
>laptop is broken, bad screen, dead battery, gum chew on it
>some POS Pentium 4 lappy
>selling it for parts someone knows how to fix this
I have the E540, which is an E545 but with an Intel processor instead of an AMD one. Aside from the questionable design of the trackpad (which. if I recall correctly, the E545 has a classic style trackpad) the edge series is fine.
I would recommend a T61 with Intel video. Look for one with the 1920x1200 panel. To have serial and parallel ports you will need this accessory:
OP I bought a T420 on ebay. I would recommend maxing it out with 8gb ram, getting an ssd, and getting an ultrabay hard drive caddy. I did these things, this computer is unstoppable. I only have integrated graphics, but with dedicated it should be even better!
Mine is pretty awful, I'm going to get a 1080p one soon.
>Unless you play games
I can actually run Killing Floor on lowest settings at about 40 FPS so it isn't that bad.
When buying on ebay is there really a difference between used and refurbished or will it all be the same quality? I just bought on used and not sure if I should have looked for a refurbished one
really depends on how lucky you are. I once bought a refurbished T410 that was nearly new as well as the battery. On the other hand, I also bought a "refurbished" X200 tablet that was probably saddest piece of tech I've ever seen. Covered in dust and many broken components which wasn't mentioned in the listing
that the T430s mark the beginning of the end of the thinkpad brand
Six months ago I would've said to get that over a mechanical. My best typing speed of 146wpm was on a chiclet keyboard, but about a month ago at a LAN party I finally passed it on my mechanical and got 147wpm. 1wpm might sound stupid, but when the speeds are that high it's a pretty big deal. It restore my faith in mechanicals.
On the other hand, a mechanical is just another keyboard that will feel better. That keyboard has mouse function, something not common in keyboards. It might be more worthwhile to get that. I don't know if I'd specifically recommend the Bluetooth or wired version, but I've been meaning to get one of those myself.
That layout kinda bugs me. I don't like the function key on the left, it just fucks up. I would put Fn where Print Screen is. I basically want one of these keyboards with the CM Quickfire Rapid layout.
x230 didn't come with a fhd option. If you mean the x240, it won't work unless you steal the eDP line from the docking port and mod the BIOS, which has only really been performed by leokim and is much too involved for most anons.
No, but the good Latitudes (read: E series) all have shit screens.
Dell did some brand melding and killed off the Vostro line of laptops and integrated them in the Latitude line. But while they have higher res screens they're still shit build quality wise and a lot of them have ULV, so they should be avoided.
I'm guessing you would be better off with 3 wireless antennas rather than 2, so you should look for something with an Intel Ultimate-N 6300 card, which would be 1st and 2nd gen Core-i.
not everyone does nothing on their computers
I've deducted that it is an X200 because of the Core 2 Duo sticker.
Well Lenovo has wifi cards whitelisted, so it's difficult to swap them out, don't assume you can gimp out on it and just upgrade it later, because it's complicated. Also I'm unsure if they provided a third antenna for the 2 antenna models.
I don't know if WLAN/WWAN cards would be useful to you at all, but those are also whitelisted, I think. But even if the slot is empty, it does come with the antennas.
apart from that much, see >>43094996
I was a long time looking for thinkpads on my country (Chile, South America), and I finally found some. Tomorrow monday I will get my first Thinkpad (x200) for 130 USD approximately (I couldn't buy it from outside my country, shipping costs from ebay are too high)
Was it a good deal? Is there any good upgrade I can make to it? Pic unrelated
are you trying to tell me that this is legible to you?
Waaaaait. Not him, but I'm positive that they will accept larger ones. It's great you did your research, by the way. But the Wiki means that that's the largest Lenovo shipped them with. You can fit in a larger one.
I've got a X201
HDD: 1TB Samsung EVO SSD (Someone thought it would be a good birthday gift)
Battery: 6 Cell
Screen: Default one
How can I upgrade this or should I just sell it and get something better. I just need something that will last long for College.
On my t60, I replaced the mobo, and while it boots, and works with an external monitor...
The internal monitor seems fucked.
I plugged it in to test it, and everything was completely garbled.
Pressing on the cable heavily changes the image, so is it safe to say the problem is the cable, and to replace that?
Replaced the fan in my thinkpad x61t and it is running great now.
I am trying to restore it to blank windows 7 but also want to put a linux distro on here what is the best one that I will have easy setup support for the touch pen?
They're like 5 bucks and will accept any harddrive the thinkpad will accept. Considering the connector, I think you *can* just kind of slide it in there, but there won't be anything holding it in.
No, You can put it in there but it'll be loose so if you move the laptop around, the ssd can disconnect. But you can make a makeshift one by sticking a card to make it stay in place whilst you wait for your hdd caddy
bigger screens are overrated. 12 to 13 inches is the best combination of size and portability imo. plug your computer into a large screen on your desk at home and or use it as a dual monitor setup.
Should I keep using the ThinkPad Windows 7 version or get a clean version? Just got my ThinkPad and I see a lot of people do not take off the modified version of 7. Is there a reason for this. By modified I mean SimpleTap and the other programs that come preinstalled.
Damn, only $250? Is that a great price, or is that normal? I have an x220 and the IPS panel is getting these horrible white spots all over it, and the ethernet port is broken... shit is completely whack. I'd also like a larger screen. Is the T420 a good choice in that case? I'm surprised it's so damn cheap.
I need a laptop for school.
Which ThinkPad will let me process word documents in background while I play games?
Also I might be programming.
Lenovo sometimes includes battery-saving tweaks you won't be able to get in the stock install. Installed clean Windows 7 on my X220 and battery life plunged from 10-11 hours to 6-7.
I've been here before, when I was having issues with my T60p's GPU overheating.
I used the copper penny trick with AS5.
Anyways, it was running pretty hot recently, so I cleaned it with alcohol and applied new thermal gel, still AS5.
I've also done something I can't remember that allows me to set the fan at full speed withecho level disengaged | sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan.
Still,cat /proc/acpi/ibm/thermalgives:temperatures: 74 44 42 88 50 -128 33 -128 51 63 63 -128 -128 -128 -128 -128
Apparently, the 4th is the GPU, which shuts itself off at 100. It's better than the 95 I had earlier today, but what's wrong?
Did I possibly wear my already probably tired fan out? Should I invest in a new one? How much should I expect to pay for one if I should? Could someone recommend a seller if I should?
My R50's good at not overheating, but it's slow as molasses.
>Imagine the x201 screen but 16:9, that's the x220 screen
except it's objectively better because it's higher resolution.
1280x800 is crap and only good for watching 720p video letterboxed with zero scaling in fullscreen. I would rather use the old 1024x768 screen, they don't feel as miniscule as 1280x800.
Hey latios, think replacing the monitor cable will fix a screen that is completely garbled, and what it displays changed heavily when I move it.
I think the lcd setup was working prior to replacing the mobo, and the mobo vga works.
It was diffidently working prior to my gpu breaking.
It's cheap, so I'll give it a shot.
I just hope somthing like the panel or the inverter didn't fry.
I think I can sorta make some stuff out if I position it just right, but it's still really messed up, and when it shifts, it oftens slides like a film reel through the screen.
Can't really think of a better way to describe it.
With scaling, everything looks just as big as a lower res screen, and text looks beautiful.
Only thing that doesn't scale properly for me, (using ubuntu unity) so far has been steam, and the firefox menu bar, which I rarely touch.
Everything else scales perfectly.
Right. Even when it feels like it clicked in OK, sometimes it's not seated properly, or maybe some dirt is in a contact. The screen rolling like you described is definitely just a connection problem though.
Even if it's completely garbled?
Either way, it'll be great if it works.
Would spraying some canned air be a good idea?
Thanks for all the help, I was about to order a new cable and try replacing it, and I know that's a bitch.
I have a 1400 x 1050 T60 I love this 4:3 screen.
A shame most common laptops use 1366 x 768 16:9.
It still has some juice though. I think one more year of use and then I will buy another laptop.
I'm gonna put this out here.
They go used for fairly cheap.
(I got mine for 600), and it's pretty much the only modern square (5:4) laptop out there.
Main problem is giving up the clit, and moving to a worse keyboard.
You can install full ubuntu or whatever distro on it as well.
I just recently upgraded from my t60 to it.
Main concern is the battery life is still just 6-7 hours if that, but whatever, it wasn't a big deal with the t60, still isn't a major problem.
The other main concern is the clit.
A touchpad just isn't the same.
Other than that, it's one of the few laptops that puts the t60s screen to shame.
It's just a beautiful, full, screen.
Oh sweet, my mother used to have one as her work laptop. If i remember right it was the X60, i loved that thing a lot.
Then my college got one (X201i), but it took 1 week for them to fuck it up completely. Of course the manufacturer was blamed
Ah, I suppose that is something worth mentioning.
It's actually 32 or 64 gigs.
I got a 64 gig model.
Combine that with an sd card slot, which can add a nice 128 gigs of media storage, and I hadn't even considered that a problem.
But yeah, if you need lots and lots of space, it could absolutely be a problem.
I got is used, (It's a launch model also), and the battery is still at some 97% original charge.
I doubt it'll be a problem for quite a while, and it is possible to replace the battery, and there are some on ebay.
Wouldn’t be nearly as easy as a t60.
Another pro, it has a sim card slot, so I can pop my phones sim card in and not have to tether for data.
This only works with shitty verizon sadly.
Well, no. I've already done that. It's just that my GPU's been running a hot after just replacing the thermal paste.
I was wondering how common high temperatures are, even after replacing the thermal pad with the copper penny and other settings.
hard to say, like, if you have the correct heatsink and the HSF isn't bent in any way, yeah there is something we are missing, probabaly OS dependant bt even then its hard to know.
what model do you havwe and what CPU and GPU model you got>?
In the future Anon, when they should be faster.
If they are not then, your ThinkPad will not be obsolete.
For now, go grab a T61 Intel motherboard and mod it to accept a quadcore CPU. Install 8GB and you are set for a while.
found a x230 for 500 - 160 ssd, 9cell. 4gb,
did i do good? though i think panel is tn though because contract bleed at angels.
hey man I done fucked up. The top of the IC broke off and I can't get the guts off the board. If I heat it any more I'll damage the board, it's looks pretty crispy already. Can I leave it there?
How far are you willing to go?
Short version, you can use a fan assembly from an nVidia T61 with a T500 fan. Start reading here and follow the links:
Crazy German and Chinese people managed to mod the planar, extract the BIOS section and reflash the RAM SPD so that installing a 1066MHz FSB CPU is possible.
ACHTUNG, read the whole thing thrice before even thinking of trying it.
lel, it's an old canon point and shoot A630 and yeah, macros tend to come out pretty fine. I bet if I knew anything about photography I'd be able to do even better. There are even some custom firmwares for this thing.
The auto settings suck tho, so custom shutter, aperture, focus, ISO etc.
Also, this thing is unusable in shit lighting.
Interesting! But it looks like it quickly hits the same limitations I did when overclocking the X61s and X61T-- the machine runs out of both VRM and especially thermal headroom pretty much the instant you exceed the original spec.
So you can do it, but there's no point because it starts throttling hard as soon as you do.
It's a bronze (95% copper, 5% zinc) with about 1/5th the thermal conductivity of pure copper. That's still pretty good, but it leaves three questions...
Did Anon use such a penny, did he lap it, and did he remember to use thermal compound on both sides?