>>43052780 Part of the effort to pander to macfag reviewers >look at me everyone I'm using a ThinkPad
>>43052773 There have been efforts to put a third party 1920x1080 panel into the X220. Not sure how that's progressing. But officially, there's no non chiclet X series machines with resolution higher than 1400x1050 or 1440x900
There is a ThinkPad being sold on craigslist for $200 but it doesn't have the model number or specs. I emailed the guy last night and am awaiting a response. It looks like a T440 if it is should I go for it?
>>43052461 >>43052743 >have Thinkpad >using Windows on it Not that it's any of my business, but any particular reason? I know they're shipped with it and all but it doesn't work terribly well with them. You have to install many Lenovo software packages just to have basic stuff like touchpad scrolling. And two-finger scrolling doesn't seem to be possible at all (that was actually the dealbreaker for me).
Intel's Windows GPU drivers are pretty bad too... I guess maybe you have a model with dedicated/switchable GPU and you want to play some games that are too fiddly in WINE? Or something. Just kinda scratching my head here, it seems like an uphill battle for little gain.
>>43054618 ? I'm not trolling, I seriously don't get it. I know some categories of professional software tend to be Windows+OSX only, but are you editing feature films/designing nuclear centrifuges/etc on your laptop?
>>43054748 >There is no touchpad, it's only got a trackpoint. Mkay. When you hold the middle mouse button and move the pointer, does that scroll in Windows? It didn't when I tried. >Linux battery life is terible. It seems about the same as Windows (when I still had a win7 partition). I did install TLP, maybe that's the trick? >It has an on-board GPU, no dedicated card or anything, it's not for fucking gaming That's what I was saying- Intel integrated drivers are pretty bad on Windows compared to mesa. >The laptop was designed with windows in mind, not linux. I know but ah... while I love the hardware, Lenovo's software suite is pretty bad.
>>43054751 Package manager is the big one for me. I always feel reluctant to install things on Windows because I know that if I don't like it, removing it will still leave traces everywhere.
Also I just find the system is generally snappier, more reliable, less likely to make terrible paging decisions and leave me drumming my fingers when I switch to an old Chrome tab, less likely to have annoying issues like the touchpad one I mentioned.
>>43054712 There is no touchpad, it's only got a trackpoint.
Linux battery life is terible.
It has an on-board GPU, no dedicated card or anything, it's not for fucking gaming, it's an ultraportable business laptop.
The laptop was designed with windows in mind, not linux. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
It's not the year of the linux desktop, go back to jacking off to anime.>>43054909 >>Mkay. When you hold the middle mouse button and move the pointer, does that scroll in Windows? It didn't when I tried. Yes, it does, when you install track point drivers.
>It seems about the same as Windows (when I still had a win7 partition). I did install TLP, maybe that's the trick?
So you need to install some program to make battery life better? It's already better than linux stock.
>That's what I was saying- Intel integrated drivers are pretty bad on Windows compared to mesa.
>intel drivers are bad >drivers made by intel, for computers that run windows, on a laptop designed to run windows, are bad
>I know but ah... while I love the hardware, Lenovo's software suite is pretty bad. Then don't install it? You don't need to install it.
When you have to install drivers on windows, it's a pain, but apparently installing a bunch of drivers and power management software to get it to run decent isn't?
Installing updates and drivers in windows is as easy as clicking a file and clicking next, apparently that's the issue though isn't it, it's too easy.
I can find only a few old vague forum posts about this, so, Hackintosh question time: * Can I install OSX (Yosemite would be awesome but probably asking too much) on a T400 with Intel graphics and Intel wifi? * Alongside existing OS(es) without needing to wipe? * If no to the first, can I install it in VirtualBox on this hardware and get hardware acceleration?
>>43054977 >Yes, it does, when you install track point drivers. Well I did install a bunch of stuff from Lenevo's website, I guess still not enough.
>So you need to install some program to make battery life better? >It's already better than linux stock. I don't know actually, I haven't tested it both ways. Might be fine without TLP, might not.
>drivers made by intel, for computers that run windows, on a laptop designed to run windows, are bad OpenGL is bad at least, yes. DXVA works well, I'll give them that.
>Then don't install it? >You don't need to install it. I do, if I want the hardware to work.
>apparently installing a bunch of drivers and power management software to get it to run decent isn't? I didn't need to install any drivers at all on Mint. I installed TLP by pasting a few lines from a website, and I don't actually know whether it was necessary anyway.
>Installing updates and drivers in windows is as easy as clicking a file and clicking next, apparently that's the issue though isn't it, it's too easy.
Are you in opposite land? It took literally hours of downloading and installing stuff for Win7 to stop showing exclamation marks. Meanwhile Mint was justwerks. Seriously, with the possible exception of TLP, I didn't need to install or configure anything.
Windows needed several long reset cycles to apply updates, some of which failed and had to be retried. Linux just did all of them live and everything took effect either immediately or at next boot (which takes no longer than any other boot).
>T61p >15.4" screen (unknown resolution) >C2D @ 2.4 >4GB ram >320GB hdd >$170 Should I buy this thinkpad, /g/? I already have a laptop, a 1366x768 i3 thing, but it's falling apart and I want something rugged.
>>43055115 >Well I did install a bunch of stuff from Lenevo's website, I guess still not enough. >i installed the wrong drivers and it didn't work right, therefor it's shit That's rich coming from a person who is touting linux, you should be used to searching around for hours on end to find drivers to make your hardware work correctly.
>I don't know actually, I haven't tested it both ways. Might be fine without TLP, might not.
It's not, I've tested it.
>I do, if I want the hardware to work.
The hardware works fine, it's just missing software features like the middle click scroll, which you had a hard time finding for some reason.
>I didn't need to install any drivers at all on Mint. So your middle click scroll works out of the box? Your battery life is good out of the box?
>Windows needed several long reset cycles to apply updates, some of which failed and had to be retried. Linux just did all of them live and everything took effect either immediately or at next boot (which takes no longer than any other boot).
I'd rather have window handle updates for me than having to search around and individually install updates with a pain in the ass command line, it's a small price to pay for all the time and work saved.
Admit it, linux is not practical for a laptop, or even most desktop installations. What do you do on linux that you can't do on windows? >inb4 some LEET HACKER SHIT and rice the desktop
>>43055257 >That's rich coming from a person who is touting linux, you should be used to searching around for hours on end to find drivers to make your hardware work correctly. I literally have never had to do that >It's not, I've tested it. Ah well, I installed it by pasting 5 lines. >The hardware works fine, it's just missing software features like the middle click scroll, which you had a hard time finding for some reason. I consider that an important feature. Another one is two-finger scroll. Linux: Google it, copy-paste the command and press enter, done. Windows: You can't, deal with it. >So your middle click scroll works out of the box? Yep >Your battery life is good out of the box? Like I said, I installed TLP because someone suggested it. I'd have to test. Anyway, it took 30 seconds. >I'd rather have window handle updates for me than having to search around and individually install updates with a pain in the ass command line, it's a small price to pay for all the time and work saved. Okay, now I know for a fact you haven't used Linux except maybe a quick liveCD test. The opposite is true. Everything is updated together. When you get told that x updates are available and press install, it updates not just the system but ALL your software, at the same time. You never have to hunt down updates manually, ever. You never need to reboot. Sometimes a couple of updates don't take effect until you do, but it doesn't nag you and the reboot is just a normal one. This is the #1 reason I use Linux. >Admit it, linux is not practical for a laptop, or even most desktop installations. Given that I've refuted your points above, I have to disagree. >What do you do on linux that you can't do on windows? Mostly, I enjoy a stable fast system that does everything I would do on Windows but works out of the box and doesn't drive me up the fucking wall with constant updates and shit.
>>43055480 To repeat myself: I don't understand why someone (especially someone who frequents /g/) would buy a Thinkpad and then run Windows on it as their main OS. It just seems like a strange thing to do.
>>43055529 It's been a while since the old crowd would post their X series tablets and scribble up some things. It's funny how time flies.
>>43055546 For workstations, especially CAD use, it just werks. For the tablets, it's more fun to dick around with (although for pen use, somethingsomethingrandomdistro + krita is an emerging solution). For everything else, it's just that few shits are given and one is too normalfag.
>>43055799 Well, it's what the W series (and the old p suffix, p for powerful) is marketed for, along with Dell and HP's equivalents. Quadro, decent panel, quad core and all.
>>43055809 It's not unreasonable to expect things to get worse. Everyone doubted the chiclet plague of the E line infecting the T/X/W line but that happened. Everyone doubted the 1 button trackpad and integrated trackpoint buttons of the Helix infecting the main line...or the default to media keys of the E series fucking every other line.
>>43055678 I've been using Linux for about 3 years now, and I'm competent enough at it to get things to work. I'm just sick of jumping through hoops and installing obscure software to deal with shit. For example: - Compatibility with other devices and formats is shoddy at best, and I find myself having to put way more effort in than I should have to when it comes to proper file transfer - Lack of proprietary software like Photoshop and MS Office is a massive annoyance. GIMP is a decent alternative but they really need to get their heads out of their asses and not have export/save as separate. It's a relatively minor nitpick but it's a pain in the ass, especially considering how easy it is with photoshop. Also, having to make sure things convert properly between Writer to Word and Impress to Powerpoint etc. is a pain. - Battery life is rubbish with Linux - Having to rely on WINE for basic shit is all kinds of crap Now, I know all of these are common complaints. You've probably heard them a good bit before me, and to be completely honest, every OS has its bullshit about it (once I learned how to make it less bullshitty, Snow Leopard was probably the closest OS I found to perfection back when I had a macbook, but OS X got worse after every single fucking update and I fucked up and screwed up the computer) but I think I might want to give making Windows manageable a shot. I've pulled it off with Mac OS and Linux to a certain extent, I'm sure Windows can't be too hard.
>>43056349 Cable FRU: 44C9909 CCFL Inverter FRU: 42W8010 Screen is a HV121WX4-110, there are different models, some matte, some glossy, some with digitizers and some without.
The screen I specified is a matte with digitizer, but when you remove the digitizer it's a glossy panel underneath.
Another note on that, you can buy the models that have digitizers and remove them with a razor blade, just be careful not to scratch the screen when doing so, the one I used has the digitizer, just carefully remove it or buy one without one.
I picked with one because it was a smoking deal on it and removing the thing is a piece of cake, here's a pic of the bare panel after cutting the glass touch panel off.
>>43056187 Just ask for a picture of the bottom. If there's a sticker of 08/08 or later. I forgot the format but production didn't go into 2009 so there's that. Though some are mm/yyyy but that should be obvious.
The standard X201 just had standard voltage processors The X201t had either standard voltage, low voltage or ultra low voltage processors. Performance of course runs accordingly. The question is of how importantly you regard it. Otherwise, the X201 does have a larger available battery at 9 cells/84Wh vs 8 cells/66Wh for the X201t So toss a coin
>>43052278 whats in the 'big' box, I'm not even sure if an X-series can even fit in those ones.
>>43056748 Well the W-series was the sucessor to the 'p' series with the exception of the W700 >tfw there will never be a shitty made T-series of the W700 and it had integrated graphics and a single core CPU.
Also I've seen a few Dell M4800's with the K2100M GPU and QHD+ display for $1700, is that gud? not sure if I want to get the W540
I got a x201 and I'm thinking about dual-booting windows and linux. I have a 160gb HDD. I just want to use linux for mainly learning how to use UNIX and programming. How many GB should I give the linux partition?
Cheapest W540 I can find is $1100. I definitely want a W series since portability isn't a factor for me, really. Is there something else from the W series that's more affordable? Only other things I can find are a T430s. R32, and a R51.
I'm sure this gets asked every few weeks but it there a proper screen upgrade for the T420 yet? Something with at least some decent colors would be neat. I know about the panels from that one Alienware laptop but something better would be golden.
Also, anyone here who uses a 45W CPU in his T420? I'm quite interested to give it a try but wonder if it can even cool it properly.
>>43058214 Yeah, the cheapest X61 with a charger and HDD that I found on eBay (buy it now) was $140. I'm not having much luck at the moment. I may get it anyway since I would much rather have an X61 over an X60.
t410s faggot here, i just cleaned out the fan again, and yesterday i reapplied the thermal paste; however the motherboard, gpu and cpu all hit 90c or higher when idling, and the laptop keeps turning off from hitting too high of temps. what do?
>>43059243 too late :^) is there any way at all i can make this run any cooler though? I got it really cheap so it would be nice if i can use it; mostly because i cant afford anything better right now.
So I was looking to upgrade my old X201 and decided to go to my local computer shop to try out the updated Thinkpads. Aside from a couple issues with the new keyboard -- i.e. F-key placement not grouped -- the keys themselves felt fantastic. Not better than my past Thinkpads but pretty much felt the same. The bodies on the models I tried seemed sturdy and well built, barring the X1 Carbon that had a flimsy feel. Real talk, do you find the new models that shitty? They seemed okay to me, and I've been contemplating buying an X240 or a T540p.
>>43057695 Anything that doesn't have a one click trackpad should be fine. Seriously. I bought an E series Thinkpad, and the keyboard and everything else is fine, but the fucking trackpad is just awful. It's the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen in my entire life. To be fair, I did expect it to be shit, but my point still stands. If you need a small laptop, get an x series. They're breddy gud. I like thr x200t the best, personally.
When does the alleged "good" era of ThinkPads end (when the chiclet keyboards and lower-quality builds are used)? Was it the first or second-gen Core i ThinkPads? I was thinking of getting an X200s for college but I still want it to have the signature build quality I keep hearing about.
Is this a good deal? Just going to use it for surfing the web in bed and youtube. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/edmonton/lenovo-thinkpad-laptop-15-lcd-with-hdmi/1004530671?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
I'm looking for a small Thinkpad to buy, I have a T400 and a base 2011 MBA. The Thinkpad was great to use, but it was really bulky and not great to carry around in my bag at uni. I pretty much switch to using the MBA almost exclusively since it was thin, light, fast, and had miniDP so I could watch chinese cartoons on my TV.
However, since it's the base Air, it only has a 64GB SSD which is nothing. At least with a Thinkpad I could swap out the HDD and RAM as I see fit.
Would an X220 be similar to the Air in lightness and portability? That's my strongest candidate right now for a new laptop that has expandable storage and memory. Oh, and I can get an IPS panel with it too, since the Air's display is absolutely terrible.
I have a T42 and a G40. I thought the T42 was broken but it's not, so I stopped using the G40. The G40 had a P4 @ 2.40 GHz and the T42 has a Pentium M @ 1.70 GHz. Some CPU benchmark website said the M was faster and I believed them.
I hardly care anyway, the G40 is in bad condition - no down arrow key (you can still press the contact and it works) and no Trackpoint nub. And the thing is humongous and heavy. The T42 is basically pristine.
I run casual babby mode Linux on them.
I would've tried CentOS but 6.x and 7.x don't support PAE forcing and CentOS 5.x doesn't have a kernel with the wifi drivers I need. Not worth the time to *maybe* come up with a fix. Lubuntu works immediately upon install.
>>43066945 Dude, newer thinkpads are windows machines with all sorts of wifi, power management, and graphics bugs.
/g/ says "great for linux" but it's a lie unless you limit yourself to the T61 and prior. The only actually linux certified laptops made today come from HP and dell, not lenovo, because they also sell computers to the US government (single largest linux using organization in the world).
>>43068188 Thinkpad T-series is RedHat's standard issue internal machine for all employees, not just the programmers. We always had a big push before eash new T series release to make sure RHEL and Fedora were ready for them.
>>43059418 the only thing I can think of is the heatsink might no be making contact with the CPU or the heat-pipe is damaged in some way. check it, us the dot method for thermal paste and make sure it spreads all over the CPU to test contact.
>>43069762 Portability isn't really an issue here seeing as due to an unfortunate set of circumstances I have got an AMD E1 piece of Toshiba crap as my main machine and I can't sell it for much and those two are the only I can find for decent prices.
Although the higher res screen on the T500 seems appealing
>>43071831 The res is unchanged, battery life is slightly reduced since I had a later x200 which was LED. Battery life is slightly reduced in exchange for better colors, better contrast, better viewing angles and the sharpness of a glossy screen.
The laptop feels much more modern, much more premium now.
>>43055698 yup.... My last year of highschool was 2005. *NO ONE* had a laptop, tablet, or any wifi device back then. Now, it seems like once you hit 8th grade you pretty much need one(not required by the school, but you'll be seen as 'the poor kid' if you dont have one)
I seriously doubt this is improving the quality of education too. I'm a huge geeky faggit and even i know that laptops would be more a distraction than useful tool for most people trying to learn... esp. if they are immature kids.
>>43074861 Guess what, the supply is getting thin. First because they are oldish, second because /g/thinkpad is snatching them all. Some people here buy them for refurbishing. Key to get low prices is to lurk eBay for improperly listed units and to frontrun the /g/entoomen. Unless you have a specific reason (build a frankenpad with the 15" 4:3 panel, or the offcentered display drives you mad) I'd suggest a T61 with Intel video instead. SATA2 is available if you install the Middleton BIOS, and you can install 8GB of RAM instead of the 3GB on a T60. You shouldn't buy a T61 with nVidia graphics because the units made before aug2008 are defective, and will fail. Manufacturing date of the laptop is not enough to tell; some units were made with older chips. You must remove the heatsink and check the chip directly to be sure. TL;DR go for Intel video. If you get a T61 with loose hinges, look the FRUs for the Kato ones in the Hardware Maintenance Manual, they don't have this problem. You might want to get them preemptively.
I have posted this before but I'll try again: approx. 5 days ago I bought an -almost- new ThinkPad x200. The BIOS had a supervisor password on it.
I opened the thing up, shortened out the SDA & SCL pins on the EEPROM chip. It skipped me straight to BIOS, without using a password, but options were still greyed out (couldn't edit them). I tried another method (from AllService.ro forum). Basically it involves building a small electrical circuit and hooking the EEPROM to a serial port.
I was able to dump my BIOS binary file but the password was not visible on the designated address. (because my bios is TCPA encrypted).
Now this forum called AllService is offering a service to unlock TCPA encrypted BIOSes. They modify your binary file with the password, and you'll have to cook it back. Because I don't want to spend 40 euros on that shit I want to try to do it myself. It seems quite logical.
I have found the hex address where the password resides. I am thinking about wiping it out and replacing it with 0's, then cooking it back to the BIOS. One of my concerns is the checksum of the binary file, and how the beast is gonna handle it.
Has anyone been through the same situation as me? I'd like some more information about the process because I'll probably end up bricking.
>>43077523 You can remove the Lenovo branding from a T61. Stickers for the LCD panel cover and the palmrest, with IBM logos, are available on eBay. That thing below the panel, with the lights, is a plastic strip with glue. You can find them on eBay too, with or without "lenovo" written on them. The ones without lenovo are harder to find, always ask the seller if they really are without it, *or*, mod one to remove the lenovo logo. To remove it, take the strip out of the paper where it comes. The printing is on the back of the strip. Remove the glue only from the part where the logo is. After that, carefully, use a small file to remove it. The filed off part will become transparent; use China ink to paint it again. Then replace the strip in your laptop, and you are done. In this photo, the strip below was modified this way.
>>43077523 I just wanted the cheapest general-purpose laptop I could get. My $45 T-60 does more than my $500 iPad. It has made me very happy. In retrospect, I SHOULD have waited / paid more to get a T-61 so I could have a 64bit processor and put in more than just 3 goddamn gigs of ram. Oh well. I do intend to get another Thinkpad though. Maybe one of the tablet ones, or, is there one that is like, netbook-size?
>>43077669 You may have noticed the gray function keys. Those were taken off from a T4x keyboard. This can be done easily on NMB keyboards. They are a direct swap, *if* you transplant the whole key assembly (the scissors and the "C" piece. You don't need to swap the rubber cups). This can also be done with Chicony keyboards, but is is much harder, you need to bend the key holding clips so that the larger T4x scissors can fit (Chicony keyboards don't use the C pieces). If you also want to replace Caps Lock on a Chicony, it will need light filing to fit. If you want to do this, be sure that you have a NMB keyboard. The easiest way to do this is to buy both, T4x and T6x keyboards, remembering to get the NMB variant. All keys can be swapped, in case you fancy the Caps Lock and the bolder lettering of the T4x (again, remember to swap the scissors *and* the C piece. Just transplanting the keycaps will damage them).
>>43077712 You can install a 64bit CPU on a T60. You will be limited to 3GB, but you will have support for 64bit software and VT-x. The best CPU compatible with a T60 is the T7600 SL9SD (2.33GHz, cpumark 1286, 64bit, VTx). Many T60 units come with a T2400 (1.83GHz, cpumark 785, 32bit, VTx). If you have one of those, you might want to upgrade, the T7600 is 50% faster. Many people prefer the T60 over the T61 because of the open source ATI drivers available for *nix. Intel drivers are actually better, but if you *need* 3D, you should go for ATI. The closed binary nVidia drivers (available for Linux and FreeBSD) are excellent and give you some GL extensions that never will be on the free drivers because they are patented, but many people don't want those drivers, because freedoms.
>>43077712 There are no netbook sized models that /g/ would approve (mayhaps that thing given away to Australian students). I would recommend the X201, non tablet version. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X201 It is small, has a 16:10 screen, support for 8GB of RAM and (up to?) a 1280x800 panel. The tablets might have a slower CPU, I don't know. Ask here. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X201 You can install a X200 palmrest without UltraNav on it if you want to do so, it will fit. And they are compatible with this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_X200_UltraBase It fits perfectly below the laptop, making it thicker and giving extra ports, as well as a Serial Ultrabay Slim. >>43078057 Regarding price, yes, a T61 is cheaper than this and a no-hassle option, and that will give you the delicious 8GB option, as well as faster CPUs. You might want to upgrade the T60 if any of the reasons in >>43077932 apply to you.
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