>>43000109 > "All Apps" > "Apps" > Click it, suddenly metro all over the place
They're not fixing the underlying problems, they're just kind of inching themselves backwards, "sort of" fixing the things people complained about so that they can shut them up while still being able to play Apple with the whole "We knew what people wanted before they did".
People hated metro and wanted the start menu back. Microsoft told them to fuck off. People started installing 3rd party start menu replacements. Microsoft introduced the NEW AND REVOLUTIONARY start button that was nothing but an on-screen superkey.
Now they're introducing the NEW AND IMPROVED TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE start menu that's essentially a stripped-down Win7 start menu with a "Shut down" button, metro tiles, an extra taskbar for gluing commonly used applications, and of course a shortcut button to the metro screen.
It's simple; Microsoft wants to be right. But they're not right. So instead of admitting that they're not right, they cover their ears and chant "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" until all of the bad people who doesn't understand how great they are, go away.
Windows 8 was more of a business decision for MS than anything else. They saw the market share that Apple and Android have with their smartphones and tablets, combined with their perception that the PC is a dying breed. MS is trying to play catch-up with Apple and Android, and Win8 was the result.
>>43001572 They're not trying to kill their PC market share, they're trying to expand their smartphone and tablet market share. The problem is they're doing at the expense of the PC, because they know projection of PC sales looks bleak. In other words, they have incentive to improve an OS for a touchscreen device, not PCs. That's why there won't be much improvement new versions of windows; it isn't cost effective.
tl;dr They don't want you to buy a PC. They want you to buy a Windows smartphone or tablet.
>>43001059 >Flash bundled in whether you like it or not >"Search" function became Bing: the snooping without disabling 3 or 4 options in different locations >Boot loader doesn't play friendly with other OSs >"Apps" and "App Market Place" are an absolute fucking joke for desktops >Windows Update has never wanted to restart your computer so much or annoy the shit out of you >Random shit blue-screens for computers with AMD GPUs (seriously, it got worse) The list goes on.
>>43002931 you've got to ask what does windows actually DO
nothing .. people are stuck on this flawed platform just because it's there (universal) -- they got that basic PC monopoly .. a few viable products which were held back, controlled and hey 25 years later, people think that's the world
>>43000368 I suppose I'll have to keep saying this until people understand.
Microsoft had no choice but to do what they did here. Apple was thriving with OS X and Macs, even thought sales were much smaller than the Windows market. But it was growing at 25-30% a year, increasing marketshare.
But then Apple rocks the boat with the iPhone and iOS, based off OS X Unix. The phone becomes very popular, and Google copies the concept with Android, which also becomes very popular. This kills of Microsoft's phone OS, Windows Mobile.
Then, and far worse, Apple comes out with the iPad, which despite being misunderstood by the press at first, and derided by top Microsoft executives, Ballmer and Gates, becomes very popular, resulting in slowing PC sales.
Microsoft becomes frantic (that's something we can certainly assume, behind the scenes). They have nothing to compete with here.
As iPhone and iPad sales soar, and Android phone sales soar even more, Microsoft tries to counter that, but they have nothing, and no foothold in either market. Apple can afford to do what they're doing as they were the pioneers here. But Microsoft is stuck.
The problem for them is that there was no time. None at all. Apple's products were pushing Microsoft's out of business. The iPhone replaced Win Mobile and the Blackberry. The iPad is replacing notebooks and even some desktops, mostly Windows machines.
>>43003431 So Microsoft needed to move fast. Can you imagine what would have happened if they decided to come up with something entirely new, and waited for touch screen computer screens to drop in price? That would have pushed it out at least another year, and if that happened, Microsoft would be dead, as their smartphones and tablets would have no chance at all.
So they went to the only mobile UI they had. The one for the failed Zune HD, and brought that up to speed, and entered it as a smartphone UI. It basically failed there too.
So they did what they always do and called it Windows, and developed the same mobile UI for Win 8, figuring that people HAD to upgrade to that when they bought a new computer, and that would give them their in for smartphones and tablets.
So while you are correct in that its too early in some sense, in the more important sense of timing, it's almost too late! They simply couldn't wait another year. If they did, there would be no room for it. All the business software for tablets is being written for iOS, and almost all for smartphones is being written for iOS.
Apple can afford to slowly bring iOS and OS X together as far as UI and features are concerned as their mobile sales are doing very well, and their computer sales are flat, rather than dropping 14% a quarter.
But Microsoft had to do this in one fell swoop. But it's not a good way to have done it.
If Microsoft didn't get there early enough, there would be no room for their OS. It's almost too late now.
>>43004008 micorosoft was trying to enforce its flawed model as the model .. microsofts version of the HTML curmudgeon has never been fixed
but they liked to maintain it as the "standard", because they're bastards and they'll never deal with anyone else (how a monopoly operates).
all that is over. people are walking away from their crummy symbolic platform en masse. the days of being hired for their fucking "skills" are OVER. welcome to the new generation, mobile. they aint anwyhere in it. marketing shills say no
>>43001391 Close, but not quite. My understanding is that Gates and Ballmer always saw the tablet as a PC, and when they saw Apple be successful with a tablet that was a less capable device than a PC was, they thought it was stupid and thought that the only reason it did so well was because of things like the UI, thickness, and price. So they tried to shove a touchscreen UI onto their PC operating system thinking it would allow actual Tablet PCs to start gaining the kind of money the iPad did, and they were wrong. Now we have Satya Nadella who wants to make mobile devices their priority over everything else, however he wants to do it all under this whole, "One Microsoft," deal. I believe that the idea behind Threshold is that it will be extremely similar, (if not the same,) operating system for desktops, laptops, tablets, phones, and Xbox Ones, and this whole Universal Windows Apps initiatives will make porting software between the five a lot easier than it was before. But, I dunno.
>>43003431 >Microsoft had no choice but to do what they did here. Bull fucking shit. Apple didn't, aren't and never will try to push a tablet UI on desktops because that's a fucking retarded idea.
Microsoft could've easily allowed dual-mode applications that can run on desktops and tablets. Instead, they decided to just make everything operate like tablets. That's not a good idea, and fuck you for saying that it is.
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