Allowed: DOS/Windows 3.x/9x/2000
Sort of allowed: Pre-OS X Macs
Not allowed: Windows XP, OS X Macs
"In a lengthy editorial in the December 1980 issue of Kilobaud Magazine, chief editor Wayne Green decried the poor state of business software available for the TRS-80 and the state of the microcomputer industry in general. He described in colorful terms how Kilobaud had purchased an $8000 Algorithmics Disk System from Seal Computers in 1977 complete with word processor for their office, and that the machine barely functioned most of the time, being plagued by continuous memory, printer, and disk snafus. Not only was the included word processor nearly impossible to use due to the UI and almost unreadable documentation, but Green complained that there was no guarantee that files saved to the disks would be recoverable. A monitor purchased with the computer was never delivered despite payment in full, and most of the past four years had been spent trying to get the computer to work, during which time Seal Computers had gone out of business."
"Green remarked bitterly that 'It's likely to be a long time before any business would be sane enough to trust their vital data to a personal computer and until then, I'm sticking with my trusty IBM typewriter.'"
Is there like a general quick guide to the history of (consumer?) computing?
Primarilly interested in Apple-][ to Win 2000 in terms of "timeline", but ideally as much coverage as possible.
Basically, I have a lot of misc knowledge of old systems and some of their history, and I want to quickly catch up on the notable parts of the rest of it, so a book, a web-article, or anything cool like that would be nice to learn. Even if it doesn't meet my initial question (quick general guide to a broad subject) and just covers a small segment (say web-browser wars of the 90s) I'd be interested to see.
In short, can someone link me some cool pages/info on old tech stuff?
Won't be here to reply for a little bit since I'm heading out to my parents to get my old laptop back.
I was wondering if you guys could help me.
I have an old laptop with MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.1 installed.
The laptop has all the drivers it needs (I had a field day trying to find the graphics driver for the graphics chip)
Everything works in windows (well almost)
If I launch a game like Quake or Duke Nukem 3D from Windows, the game fails to load and either crashes the computer or sends me back to Windows. Quake always freezes the computer.
The only way to control the volume on the computer is with a key combo.
This works perfectly fine under DOS in games and such, but as soon as I start Windows the volume drops to around 10% and the key combo does nothing.
Windows has the proper drivers for both the sound chip and graphics chip.
Any idea what could be causing these issues?
Well Windows 95 COULD run on it had my sisters not destroyed the floppy drive ~4 years ago by cramming a ketchup packet in it.
(They thought they'd be funny and play a prank)
System will only boot from HDD or Floppy.
The only way I got the OS installed was with VMware and mounting the HDD as a physical drive in VMware.
I tried to install Windows 95 using two methods:
>fully install Windows 95 under VMware
>produces a bluescreen on the laptop
>install DOS on HDD, copy Windows 95 installer and files over to HDD
>install goes without a hitch
>on second reboot where you're supposed to see the desktop for the first time, right after the BIOS screens I get a black screen and blinking cursor
DOS and Windows 3.1 was the only thing that would work.
And the replacement floppy drive is around $20 on eBay and I'm seriously thinking of going for it.
I had a Grid laptop once that one of the floppy heads broke off its mounting and was left hanging down at an angle, making it impossible to read any disks.
That and the A key stopped working so it could only be used with an external keyboard.
As for the specs:
40MB EDO RAM
OPTi 82C930 sound chip
Chips & Technologies F65548 graphics chip
Broken Floppy Drive (Mitsumi D353F2)
I could deal with the floppy drive being broken, I don't use it for anything. However, the install program for the sound drivers will only install from the floppy drive because the programmers were fucking morons.
The only reason it works now is because I managed to extract the vital drivers and installed them using windows.
Sadly, the mixer program won't run because it wasn't installed properly.
He could get around that though. Just make a disk image of the installation floppy and write it to the hard drive using disk imaging software. Once it's booted into the CD installer, he can overwrite the floppy stuff on the drive.
Hard drive, floppy disk... It's all the same to the BIOS anyway.
"Green also remarked that a year passed between the Altair 8800's introduction in the spring of 1975 and the existence of any usable programming language for it. In the meantime, other machines using its bus (the soon-to-be-named S-100) had emerged, again suffering the same deficiency of software, tech support, hardware reliability, and availability of parts."
"While the S-100 bus had been a very good idea, he opined, the industry, Green felt, had been set back years by the introduction of computers such as the TRS-80 and Commodore PET which had neither S-100 buses, disk drives, or a real operating system. The PET in particular suffered immense delays in getting disks available."
Yeah, Linux dd should work for all of that. Good luck~
>Just make a disk image of the installation floppy and write it to the hard drive using disk imaging software
What are you, nuts? You can't write a floppy image to a hard disk.
It would look for installation files on whatever drive it was booted from. Also, we're talking about fucking up the hard disk partitions anyway. He's intending to make a backup.
You sound like you don't have much experience with systems programming~
No I mean, if the disk image isn't the same size as the partition it's on, the hard disk won't boot up at all. It might in theory work if you reformatted the hard disk and created a 1.44MB-sized partition.
If he's using dd, it's a simple matter of dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/sda1 (or whichever partition he wants to overwrite) and then setting the boot flag. The floppy image contains a filesystem that can be recognized by an MBR bios.
In those days, most companies used IBM minicomputers if they needed to do business stuff and DECs if they were into engineering/scientific activities. Microcomputers were just seen as hobbyist toys.
>Different shade of blue
It's not the same. I probably should have clarified I meant "out of the box" though. While I know one can customize their system to look like that, I miss when it was the standard, not the exception.
"The manual for the word processor came in a large ring binder and was so cryptic and poorly written that it was almost impossible to figure out anything. I had to keep a bunch of index cards next to my desk with commands written down on them. There was a command to search for a specific word in a document which I couldn't find any occasion to use, and apparently one for highlighting and moving blocks of text around, although I never did figure out how that was supposed to work. A particularly annoying aspect of computer word processors is that you can only see a small part of your document at once unlike having a stack of papers next to you."
When specifically did Intel/IBM/Microsoft "win"?
Because it seems like all through the 80s the consumer market was dominated by inexpensive "family computers" like the Commodore and TRS-80, but then all of a sudden there's just this explosion where the DOS/Windows/x86 environment devours everything and rules for decades.
I know the basics of it (IBM clones, etc.) but I'm not especially clear on how or why it happened so quickly.
I've a feeling it was a slow process through the late 80s to early 90s, as asian-made IBM clones fell within affordability, more people wanted to take their work home, and the 8-bit computer lines were retired and (often less-successfully) replaced (ie c64 > Amiga 500)
Posted this a while ago, still running mac se/30 with os6. Has office '89 which unsurprisingly doesnt play nice with 2010
Its an S-100 bus blackplane, and there were different boards for different forms of output.
Most common was an interface board for the Teletype 33 teleprinter (and the ASR model Teletype had both a paper type puncher and reader)
But there were also RS-232 serial boards for connection to a terminal.
>Did they output results to paper, via their lights, or to a screen, or what?
All of the above :D
You could use a teletype, a terminal, or a dedicated video board for screen output. Those things were truly DIY computers.
There were lots of serial terminals back then; the DEC VT-10x line were among the most popular. My dad used to use one at work on a PDP-11 in the late 70s.
The keyboard and monitor are self-contained and they use the serial port on the computer to receive keystrokes. DOS used to have a command CTTY which would redirect output to various devices (LPT1, COM1, etc), the main intended use being for connecting terminals to the PC.
Looks like they were absolutely running the show by 1987.
>dat Commodore flash in the pan
Does /retro/ watch computer chronicles?
It ran for a fair while, so you can run right from 1983 to the late 1990s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpXnqBfgvPM first ep
>Does /retro/ watch computer chronicles?
I've watched too many episodes of computer chronicles, that sometimes when I talking to peopl- Welcome to the computer chronicles I'm Stewart Cheifet
Put some feelers out on craigslist for a 386/486 era portable to use for native DOS gaming, ended up getting ahold of four old Satellites from a guy.
Two of them were 486 DX2s at 75MHz, two were P100s.
This one is the flagship, a 75MHz 486 with 20MB of RAM and a 500MB hard drive. It has a 2X CD-ROM drive and a beautiful 12" screen that's blurrier than shit. It was also the only one of the four with speakers, although the other 486 did have headphone/mic ports.
Installed NT 4.0 while I was waiting for a friend to come by with some blank CDs, ended up with 3.1 although I thought about installing Windows 95. Decided against it because a 75MHz 486 is too slow for DirectX gaming.
I have a PC card ethernet adapter. I'm tempted to hook it up to my network just to see what browsing the web is like on an unsecured Windows box with 20MB of RAM running IE5.
>I have a PC card ethernet adapter. I'm tempted to hook it up to my network just to see what browsing the web is like on an unsecured Windows box with 20MB of RAM running IE5.
Most sites won't even be displayable, plus Windows 3.x browsers are limited to 16MB max memory which is insufficient for modern webpages.
Not if you want to run actual 32-bit software it's not. The OS itself uses 4MB, so on a 16MB system you really only have 12 free. Since Windows 95 applications almost all occupy 16MB or more, you need in practice at least 24MB.
I don't really need to though. The only reason I'd need a GUI is because no matter how hardcore I think I am, moving files in Program Manager is a shitload easier than doing it by hand using a command prompt.
Windows 3.1 also has a side benefit of taking up fuckall in terms of hard disc space, whereas 95 is happy to take up 50-100MB on a fresh install.
On a 75Mhz computer, the actual speed difference between Standard and 386 Enhanced mode is negligeable. Moreover, Standard Mode limits you to 16MB maximum memory and doesn't allow any hard disk swap files. I think that most multimedia software requires Enhanced Mode to run anyway.
Basically, Standard Mode served a purpose when people were using 286s and 20Mhz 286s, but by the time 486s were common, it was an anachronism which is why WfW 3.11 removed it entirely.
>Moreover, Standard Mode limits you to 16MB maximum memory
I should clarify a bit: Each individual Windows 3.x process has a 16MB limit, but in Enhanced Mode it can use paging to allow multiple processes. In theory, the entire 386 4GB address space could be accessed, each application occupying no more than 16MB.
Standard Mode is 100% 16-bit code thus there's no provisions for virtual memory, paging, or v86 mode.
have you even installed windows from floppy before?
once the boot disk has booted the machine, you take it out and put in setup disk #1
and of course a floppy image would work on a hdd, i can't imagine why you think it wouldn't
Not him, but I once had to reinstall XP after a fluke accident:
>want to get files off a hard disk from an dead PC
>this drive happened to also have XP on it
>stick it in the computer
>well, at it turned out, two hard disks with bootable XP partitions on them do not mix
>the main drive got completely corrupted
I suspect because the boot drive was a generic copy of XP Pro while the other was a Compaq OEM edition of XP Home. If they'd both been XP Pro, perhaps it wouldn't have corrupted anything.
Late DOS games don't really like Windows 3.1, many say in their readme file to launch it on MS-DOS directly.
Yes some do. Paint programs can display 24bit pictures just fine, and browsers too.
Nope it's a DOS game.
Noice, I love this kind of computers anon.
Because hey were considered as toy computers by businesses, so Dad didn't wanted to buy just a toy computer but the exact same one he had at work, and it happened that this one also had games. Also Taiwanese clone flooding the market.
What is fun with CTTY is that I don't see anything useful in it. I mean, mainframes and mini-computers had time-sharing systems and stuff that allowed multiple users and terminals to be hooked and used at the same time, but MS-DOS don't have anything like that.
Yup, he just wanted to have an IBM XT that looked like what it could have been in the mid-80s which is understandable. Forcing someone to hot-rod his computer isn't cool.
Anyway, how cool on a scale from 0 to 255 would it be to make a BBS on a custom, over-powered S100 computer running a heavily modified version of BSD, that could be available on Dial-up, Telnet and HAM Radio, and that could support everything from Teletypes to multi-session terminals, without forgetting Vector-graphics capable terminals (VT-240/340)?
>Late DOS games don't really like Windows 3.1, many say in their readme file to launch it on MS-DOS directly.
Even most earlier DOS games from the CGA/EGA era don't play nice.
>What is fun with CTTY is that I don't see anything useful in it. I mean, mainframes and mini-computers had time-sharing systems and stuff that allowed multiple users and terminals to be hooked and used at the same time, but MS-DOS don't have anything like that.
IBM apparently thought it was useful since they had assorted cards for connecting their terminals to PCs.
>Yup, he just wanted to have an IBM XT that looked like what it could have been in the mid-80s which is understandable. Forcing someone to hot-rod his computer isn't cool.
Yeh but the way he said it was incredibly autistic.
CTTY could be used for teletypes as well; if you redirect it to LPT1, all keystrokes get printed instead of displayed on the screen. Of course you can't get out of it except by rebooting the computer.
Remember that there were non-IBM PC x86 machines around in the early 80s which ran customized OEM versions of DOS, and some of these did use terminals for output. There was a useful purpose for CTTY.
Who's the best computer in town? I bet it's the FM TOWNS!
I can't stop watching Demos on my Amiga. I love this kind of programs, they're alway entertaining.
I particularly dig the aesthetic of pre-90s demos. It's all about shiny stuff everywhere, and that's pretty cool:
Time to fuck around with Windows 95 in a VM.
Wish me luck.
Microsoft Toolkit 2.5.2
I think it's an Ego-O-meter.
Anyway, here's some stuff.
This machine is the sexiest computer ever made. I mean, look at how well designed it is (And normally I'm not design freak)!
Hah, was just reading about the PET yesterday
Laughed at Commodore finding out that people were buying the 16k model then adding more RAM since it was cheaper than a 32k. Instead of lowering the price of the 32K, they removed the extra memory spaces to stop people doing it.
Man I love this beauty.
Too bad Commodore started to make bad decisions around that time. I think the PET could have been what would save Commodore from losing the Business market. I mean, the later PET/CBM models were powerful beasts compared to many computer of the time, just look at pic related: A 8088 allowing to use CP/M86 and MS-DOS, 256KB of RAM was more than almost ANY computer could have back then, and with the SID included, before the C64 was even out there.
Also, really nice External disk drives, recording almost 1MB per floppy (don't forget, we're in 1980).
Anybody here ever work with Novell Netware (pre-6x) or just IPX/SPX protocol networking in general?
Anything to share?
I've been playing with the copy of Personal Netware that came with Novell DOS 7.
>os vendors that bundle games that are actually good to show off their OSes capabilities
Win9x had Hover, Win2k/XP had Space Cadet Pinball, and Novell Netware has fucking NetWars.
Not him, but I think its this:
There seems to be something special about the choice of 95. It just wouldn't be the same on 3.1 or Mac-Classic.
I wonder if it's the familiarity/popularity factor that makes Win-95 memorable, but still distant enough for the creepiness to work.
Lotus 123 alone was enough to obliterate competing architectures in the business market. In no small part because it was an IBM exclusive and they didn't port it to other platforms.
They did later port Lotus 123 to 680x0 machines, but that was not until 1990 or so and the classic 80s versions of Lotus were IBM-only. They were also written in straight assembly language, and C was used starting in Release 3.x when Lotus wanted to port it to other platforms.
That was my desktop from 10 years ago, but yes SimCity 4 worked just fine on a Pentium II 450 with a nVidia TNT2. I kept that machine all the way until Firefox stopped working on Windows 98.
I remember it came out right before I bought my Athlon XP 2500+. Might resurrect my first home built for that game. Use it for XP era games.
I think I will try it on my 933 MHz coppermine too.
I remember playing Kiddonet on my grandpa's Packard Bell PC. I was about 4 years old so it was around 1998-1999. It still works, but the web pages are shut down of course. The coloring pages might be fun for a little kid though.
My grandpa gave the computer to my brother and he threw it away without telling me.
He asked me if I could use a 266 Mhz PC anyway and I said I needed at least a 486 to play Duke Nukem 3D. We thought that meant 486+ MHz, so he trashed it anyway.
Funny, I'm actually in the middle of building another Pentium III rig right now.
Its a Coppermine, so still 90s.
Fortunately, this board is cool enough to still have an ISA slot, so I stuck in a Yamaha YMF-719. Basically a SB Pro 2 with a godly SNR and a legit OPL3 chip.
I was surprised too. Too bad the boards aren't rendered at all if you don't deactivate the CSS.
>so I stuck in a Yamaha YMF-719
Noice anon! Adlib Tracker II stuff are yours! Good luck trying to reproduce Raiden's 1st stage music with it:
How about that video where a guy shows how to browse the Web on a Mac Plus from 1986? He installed System 7 and some old browser and after turning off everything but bare HTML got it to work (crawl is more accurate)
And in goes the Diamond Viper V770.
Its an nVidia TNT2 Ultra, 32MB.
Was going to stick in a Geforce 2, but I wanted good VESA VBE compatibility, and the TNT2 is the most powerful card I have that is on UniVBE 6.7b's compatibility list.
Was also thinking of putting in a Matrox card for that sharp-ass display output, but its the G100 Productiva, so the 3D is shoddy.
Then again, I don't know if any 3D accelerated games I would play on here need that much power.
Also have a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP, but the poorly dithered "24-bit" color makes me want to puke. And unfortunately, so does my phone cameras image quality.
3Dfx is overrated after Voodoo2.
With a setup like this one, you can play Quake 2, UT99 and Quake 3 Arena at a decent framerate.
The source code for WinWord 1.0 was recently released by Microsoft; one of the original programmers posted on a blog about the development of it. He said that Windows Write formed the nucleus of what would become WinWord and that "Trying to fit the Word BASIC macro language into 640k was an almost superhuman programming challenge." The Mac version of Word from 1985 helped provide some useful practice on how to develop a GUI-based word processor, at that time something new and as-yet untried.
And if I stuck in the Geforce 2 Pro, it would be even better.
The Coppermine P3 is 800MHz.
Hardware T&L helps out there.
I have a couple PII-S Tualatins at over 1GHz lying around, but they don't work in this board, even with the BIOS update.
Yup. My Pentium [email protected] PC run them perfectly (the fact that I'm using an ATi Radeon 9250 PCI helps a lot too), even with all the stencil vector shadows and stuff.
I kinda wish I had a Voodoo5, though. There was a build of Q3A with special support for its "T-Buffer" extensions, which are kind of like todays pixel shaders. Motion blur and stuff.
I think 256MB PC-133 SDRAM should be good enough.
Want to run Win9x and don't want any stability problems.
Yes I know there is an .ini file workaround and unofficial patches, but I don't want to fuck with em.
Besides, I honestly can't see using more than that on a system like this, anyhow.
POST is bitching about the CD Drive though. I'll look into it. I'm gonna need it to install Windows.
Which I still need to burn a copy of.
And then get all the drivers.
Maybe tomorrow, 1:06AM and I am tired.
I'll score a CRT and an actual desk tomorrow. This is the top of an entertainment center I found on the street earlier this week.
I didn't knew about the Voodoo 5. I wonder How this card could compete against the competition, because as you said earlier, 3Dfx cards post-voodoo 2 were pretty bad compared to the others.
As for the RAM, 256MB is enough, yes (even though my Win2k machine when fully upgraded was running slowly with only 256MB).
Nice Boombox anyway anon, this photo just reminded me of this:
Just swapped the IDE cable to the other CD drive below it. Works now.
Turns out the Harddisk I used had a riced out Debian installation. Fortunately I used the same credentials for everything when I made it, so got in. Has DOOM, so I'll be okay for a bit.
But now I really should go to sleep and install Win98SE tomorrow.
>Nice Boombox anyway anon, this photo just reminded me of this:
Thanks, and that is a nice setup.
Ever play Geograph Seal on the X68000? That game is the shit. And its soundtrack is awesome with an external MIDI module like the SC-88Pro.
Have another boombox, a Fisher PH-W405. Both tape decks are broken. Both drive belts need to be replaced and the motor might be burned out on one of them.
I don't use it much.
There was a point in time where I had lodsofemone and bought every stereo Goodwill had. Bad idea.
I'm not even that much of an audiophile, I'm just completely apeshit.
Anyway, now I need sleep. Seriously. After I see 'Post Successful,' I'm closing the browser.
See you in the morning guys. If this thread 404s when I wake up, I know there will be another one, so whatever.
I never tried it (The emulator I use is pretty bad, so I don't really play games on it, I only play musics most of the time), but I love the soundtrack, yeah. There's Sion II that has a great soundtrack too when using the MT-32, Atomic Robo kid, Gradius II (too bad the synchronization between the internal FM and my MT-32 is really bad on this emulator, because the musics are godlike).
Anyway, good night anon, see ya later.
Got one for free from the company where my mother worked back in 2002
To think of it I have my old AMD k6-2 PC.
I love the k6-2. I was able to play Diablo 2 with my friends, even CS 1.6 and hl1. Back then Tibia and Ultima Online were popular so we spent good few days straight hunting.
I think I'm going to revive him. Just for the memories of 13 something.
98 or 2000? I wonder if I could mount a little 8 gig ssd somehow..
has anyone else here tried hooking up a plain crt tv up to their computer via RGB?
after discovering any tv can be modified to take RGB and achieve arcade-perfect imagery, i had to try it
so i picked up a 20-something inch tv for $5, which i originally planned to modify to get access to the RGB pins, but it turns out the thing has a SCART port, and supports RGB natively through it (what luck)
just got a radeon gpu today to go with it (my nvidia cart refuses ~15khz modes), and are still working on a custom vga>scart cable
currently have a picture, and the colors show up fine, but i'm having syncronization issues
there isn't really that many critical pins needed
R, G, B, csync, and mode(16) are the bare minimum
select(8) is also commonly used for mods since supplying 12v to it tells the tv to switch to AV automatically, but i'll probably just use my remote to switch to av
right now i'm a bit stuck, i've got the tv to accept RGB mode, and the colors are correct, but sync just isn't working right
the picture rolls quickly horizontally, and slowly vertically, but both at a constant pace
to me this suggests that i'm just using a mode the tv can't do, but i've tried lots of modes, including a few supposedly standard PAL/NTSC modes (there's so many variations out there)
of course, i also have a 3.5mm phone jack wired into the scart connector for sound, and that works fine
excuse the black level, i have the tv's constrast turned down so i can more easily tell which mode it's in
i'm pretty sure my issue is that i've just done nothing about converting the regular, ttl h/v sync of vga to what rgbs expects
there's several conversion circuit diagrams around, but i'm not that good at small circuit building
i think i'll just get this
OK, first of all you need to make sure that the sync polarity is set correctly for hsync and vsync if you are setting up custom refresh modes. (for TVs you want negative polarity for both.) Secondly the vsync pulse probably isn't long enough which is what that circuit is supposed to fix.
Like I said: botnets. You'd be surprised how difficult it is to find a plain-jane ISO, and not a trillion floppy images last modified in 2000.
Just curious if there's anything vaguely reputable (lel) out there
I found these on /g/ last year:
The first link includes betas of some OSes, the other link includes old OSes from the pre-XP era.
Maybe you can find something useful there. Credits to whoever posted those links first.
I found these on /g/ last year:
The first link includes betas of some OSes, the other link includes old OSes from the pre-XP era.
Maybe you can find something useful there. Credits to whoever posted those links first.
i'm using negative polarity for both
i've already ordered it anyway, i don't really want to spend hours hacking together a "it works" circuit when i can just get something quite proper for ~$50
i can solder a bit, but much more than just connectors and wires doesn't really interest me
i'll internally justify this on the fact i got a scart tv for $5, i didn't really expect to find a decent sdtv for less than $30 or so, letalone one with scart
i only somewhat recently moved to au from nz, so i've never actually seen or used a scart tv before (au apparently (used to) use it a bit, but it's nowhere in nz, despite also using the same standards). i grew up using sdtvs with nothing better than composite
>Diamond Viper V770
I should've searched for that before ordering my TNT2. I searched for TNT2 Ultra and was given were pretty expensive when compared to a plain TNT2. Lots of cheap options for V770.
>Ethernet cable breaks
>Go to computer store to buy a new one
>Teenage worker asks what I want
>"One Cat-5 ethernet cable please"
>"What's a Catfive?"
>They haven't stocked Cat-5 cables for years. I walk home with a Cat-7.
>Oh the times they are a-changing....
I hear it is sometimes better to simply search for 3dfx when looking for voodoo cards. People sometimes don't know what they have, so they just write what they see on the card itself.
I first looked for a Voodoo3 3000, but those were kinda expensive as well (20-30 pounds isn't really that expensive).
I'm sure a plain TNT2 is good enough for most of the games I want to play (not sure about severance, maybe a Geforce 2 is better for that). It is a nice bonus if it turns out to be a Pro. It says Asus AGP-V3800 on the PCB.
Theres a couple variants of that.
If its just "AGP-V3800", its a plain TNT2.
If its AGP-V3800-TVR, it has an additional S-Video Out and support for a pair of shitty 3D glasses Asus made.
If its AGP-V3800 Ultra, its the TNT2 Ultra.
None of them are based on the Pro.
Screenshot from my nexus 7
The local infrastructure for my area is ancient. I was helping people install their first broadband internet connection in 2009. The absolute maximum downspeed money could buy was 7Mbps up until very recently when it became 20Mbps. Upspeed is still 1Mbps.
Furthermore, I have never owned a computer that could reach gigabit speeds.
So TL;DR, yes I was oblivious to gigabit ethernet.
Thats a 386 laptop by the way. If I remember correctly it still boots.
Picture from the same laptop with the lid closed.
>search deviantart for "windows 95 icons" for icons
>attached is dock
>clock/battery/internet icon in bottom right are apps by nullium on Google play
Some of these are Apple II, MSX or IBM HUEland clones. They had to be manufactured here because military dictatorship had a ban imports.
Nice collection anon, now I'm officially jealous, really. That's some great machines you have here.
Thanks but they aren't mine. They belong to a client and I've took some hasty pictures last time I've visited him.
Now the fabled Amiga. Its the A600 model if I'm not mistaken.
Same as >>42957359. I think its the cartridge slot.
There is something quite "delorean"-ey about 80s designs don't you think?
This is a floppy drive my friends. Besides the huge UPS-like machinery there is also a clunky connector that was inserted on the cartridge slot.
Lastly, guts from >>42957499
From a time you could buy schematics at the electronic store and build your own computer.
You don't say!
RIP W2NSD/1 (SK) you crazy bastard.
Anyone have that story about a guy that somehow managed to get OS X to run on a 128k Mac through some sort of bizarre emulation rigup, and it literally took a MONTH just for it to boot up?
its 11 years old, and fuck running that bloatware on it
ive got fedora LXDE spin on it, but its a toy laptop so ive no qualms about switching to a non Unix-like OS on it
>its 11 years old, and fuck running that bloatware on it
fuck off. 11 years old isn't relevant in a thread about machines and operating systems from the 80's and 90's.
OP is a faggot and jumps in the "le apple is le gay xD" bandwagon, so that's why.
Hopefully the next thread won't be the same. Or even better, we should get our own board. /vr/ branched out of /vg/ I think.
>be browsing abandonware sites
>on the hunt for Deluxe Paint 1.x (older version that fits on one floppy)
>find 20 downloads of DP II, but not that one
>finally come across DP 1.x
>the site requires you to register (meaning: agree to install spyware) before you can download anything
All of these threads are like that. Nobody seems to cry when someone does post classic mac or apple II stuff, so I don't think the OP is that bad.
It isn't as dismissive as ">mac" people can be in other threads.
Hey guys, am I allowed here?
Sorry for shit pic, my hands are shaky today.
Well /vr/ did take away all the civilized part of retro discussion, but Jesus that's terrible.
I have to say, I enjoy these retro-computer threads. They're relaxing and generally civilized, with a fair amount of variety.
That's an Apple Monitor IIc. It uses standard Composite video.
I couldn't figure that out either how he gets Windows 8 to display on a composite monitor.
Anyway, monochrome composite monitors were quite common in those days especially with the Apple II. IBM PCs sometimes also used them with CGA cards because it allowed you to have graphics with a sharper display than you'd get with a color monitor.
I don't mind /v/. It is where I go most of the time. Can find a lot of decent threads there, but there is a lot of shitposting, so you don't always get a nice conversation going in all threads or at all hours of the day.
Used to think /g/ was pretty bad too since whenever I came here, all I could see was tripfag drama and and autofellatio.
I think slower boards have fewer shitposters.
/vr/ barely has any activity anymore. They basically discussed everything that was allowed under the board rules and don't do anything but argue whether the Dreamcast is allowed and circlejerk over Doom.
I've been considering lurking that, actually. I'm more focused on learning about systems themselves than vidya at the moment, though.
Does /vr/ still have retro-internet threads? Those were comfy.
Wasn't Dreamcast confirmed allowed?
I should add: I wanted DP 1.x to run on an IBM XT I have although I can't use it right now because I don't have a mouse (required by DP).
So I need not only a serial mouse, but an adapter to connect it to the 25 pin serial port.
Yup, that's too bad. There's still the /crt/ general, but yeah, it isn't what it was in the first months anymore.
You can still learn about the systems themselves in these threads (some anons were telling us to fuck off to /g/ because "hurr durr das not mah PS1 console!" while we were talking about games AND technical stuff).
tfw you'll never have a chance to own one of these again
guys do you want me to reverse engineer win2000 and make it 64bit, so we will have NT open source OS and not as shitty as reactos which look moke like one of those loonix gnew puke?
Is it normal for Me to use this much RAM while running nothing more than Aida32?
Any good third party task managers that let me see how much memory each application is using?
It ran out of physical memory while I was installing SC4. I doubt maxing out this board with 512 MB will solve it.
I was only 4 years old in 1993 so this is interesting to watch. I had some idea of what the computer landscape looked like at that point in time, but holy shit generic PCs were really potatoes compared to even low-end macs at that point in time, weren’t they? Was the only saving grace of the generic IBM compatible price?
Sidenote, I have that performa featured sitting in the garage back at my parents’ house. Paired with an old laserwriter and a $8 ethernet card from eBay, it’s still useful for a number of things.
I see what you’re saying and it makes sense, but it seems like the typical mac from that period would have an easier time taking up uses outside its primary design than the average generic PC would. They seem considerably more flexible in that regard.
>Amiga for video editing/MIDI
I agree for the video editing (and cheap 3D models, let's not forget), but for MIDI, they were using the Atari ST which had better sequencers like cubase.
Just realised this thing has been on my desk for 6 months now. Think I should get a couple of drives. One external for my mac, one internal for my WinMe box.
I'm currently just using a thumb drive to transfer files, but I'd like to use something more mechanical, and my usb ports aren't very accessible.
I've never used anything more than a floppy. An LS120 drive would be cool too.
I get where you are coming from, nostalgia and all, but as someone who actually used them day to day, they were pretty shitty. The media was expensive and unreliable. see "click of death"
The click of death seems fixable, and I don't really mind if using zip drives does suck. I can always go back to using flash drives or SD cards.
I'm mostly just interested in it since I never had one back when they were new. I just used tens of floppies and split zip files whenever I needed to transfer big files. That's something that did suck. One of the floppes always had a corrupt file, so I had to copy that part of the zip archive to a different floppy.
>I just used tens of floppies and split zip files whenever I needed to transfer big files. That's something that did suck. One of the floppes always had a corrupt file, so I had to copy that part of the zip archive to a different floppy.
I know this feel
I only ever encountered one 'click-of-death' zip disk that was not my own, but an office's backup for years (8+).
That said, don't bother. flash is much, much, much faster, reliable, and cheaper than those shit-disks.
that said, I have a zip250 drive in my 98se box that's currently running a stripped down Win 7 sp0.