OKay. So the introduction to this page shows a tutorial in how to install Gentoo on your machine. However it seems like the majority of the Linux users here uses Arch Linux.
Is Gentoo just so comlicated that it needs its own tutorial or is Arch just the preferred Linux distro.
Both are equally technical, gentoo might be a tad more dificult since you need (or can) compile the kernel and set the right useflags for your software.
Also gentoo compiles, which means the installation process takes more time.
i've used both, moving from gentoo to arch
for me it mainly boils down to compiling and use flags
in most cases on a modern machine, compiling things with optimizations yeilds no practical advantage, which means things take longer to install and update, plus managing use flags yeilds at best a bit of saved disk space in things you don't need being avoided (and disk space is not exactly rare anymore)
also for use flags, i hated having to reinstall (and therefore recompile) things i forgot to add a use flag for (for example, say i installed mplayer and forgot to enable aac support, then tried to play an aac file, i'd have to edit the use flags and compile mplayer again)
arch doesn't have these issues, being binary based, and its defaults line up quite closely to my preferences, making it, for me, pretty much everything i liked about gentoo and none of the downsides
You used Gentoo for all the strong reasons and then realized you didn't know how to into portage so you jumped ship to something retard proof.
You're in the wrong thread, you're looking for the desktop thread.
Thanks this heled me a lot. I am going to install Linux on my Lenovo S9e. And it doesn't have that much power. So I was thinking either Gentoo or Arch, since I want to avoid all the useless packages that comes with the other distros. And I think I am going with Arch.
Exactly right. If you're using old hardware, you need Gentoo. My old T21 is still going strong and that thing's ten years old since I can optimize everything for the processor.
Arch is better for modern hardware.
Arch adds a lot of useless bloat, and the kiddies working on them had to go full Damage Controll on that.
Case in point: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way
Earlier on this page used to have the "No useless bloat" rule.It has been taken down since Arch isn't that anymore.
>There's no reason TO compile everything
>>42348454 perfectly describes you.
>install Debian thinking it won't be as much of a timesink as Arch
>fonts look like ass, go to download infinality
>realize sudo isn't installed by default, install it
>realize user isn't in sudo/wheel group by default, add it
>have to pull in a million libs for infinality
>get infinality installed, lets get some ubuntu mono up in this bitch
>ubuntu fonts aren't even in the repos (not even non-free) because muh freedom or some shit
I feel like a newbie who just got tricked into installing Gentoo
You didnt install debian ever. Sudo is root user acess through lxterm and its there by default. I have debian on a flash drive and the only thing that required any configuring was a wlan driver for my gfs laptop. The one in my laptop came stock with debian its just broadcom requires the non free and contrib repos. Debian also comes wiyh other fonts out of the box but if you are autistic enough to care about that, yet stupid enough to not figure it out maybe you should just become a mac babby.
There are only two usable distros in the world: Ubuntu and Arch. Why?
Software availability. Arch has the AUR, and Ubuntu has PPAs. Every other distro is shit for this purpose and you have to manually compile many packages.
>Debian also comes wiyh other fonts out of the box but if you are autistic enough to care about that, yet stupid enough to not figure it out maybe you should just become a mac babby.
Oh boy I care about how good my fonts look like, I *must* be autistic. Also I did get them to work after downloading them manually from Ubuntu's website, how fun.
>Sudo is root user acess through lxterm and its there by default.
What are you even talking about? sudo is not installed by default, su is, but not sudo.
>not just re-tinker with the OS for the millionth time because it broke again.
Anyone who has used Debian can tell you never have. Fonts are there right out of the box and its fairly easy to find. You dont have to do anything special to get sudo to work. Just be listed on sudoers list, no downloading necessary. You never tried Debian and are just bashing it because, being the autist fanboy that you are, you dislike anything that isnt your babby proof OSX.
I just installed it on my laptop, and have many times before but I've never stayed because of this bullshit. Fonts look godawful out of the box and you know it, Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives are the only ones in which they look good by default.
Arch is easier and way way way way quicker to install than Gentoo since you don't have to compile everything.
Especially if you use the AUI script, you'll be done in no time and it doesn't take a lot more effort than installing Ubuntu.
Shitposting aside, I'm curious about Sabayon and why it doesn't get discussed here? Is it just because it's specifically is a fork of Gentoo meant to just werk? I haven't seen it discussed much, negatively or otherwise. Why is that?
I dont have any problem with any font that I can read because im not a faggot. I have however stumbled across how to change fonts in Debian without needing to download anything. Its so easy Im genuinely concerned for your saftey in navigating everyday life if you cant figure it out. If what you said is true, you have installed Debian and needed to download sudo and fonts, you are everything that is wrong with the PC world and you should probably kill yourself. Failing that, which I know you will from your track record of failing at life in general, please get out of /g/ and never touch a computer again.
are you just simply troll or retard?
>gentoo is here for a much longer time than arch
>the real linux distribution
>a little harder to install and use, but gives you rock stable, highly customizable and low maintance distro
>arch came late
>from some russian underaged hackers
>not bad system with not bad package manager
>terrible ports system
>used by many linbabies that wont bigger e-peen but couldnt install gentoo
Like, specifically? I remember wanting to use ncmpcpp, but the version on the repos was outdated and didn't have the feature I wanted to use, so I had to compile the latest stable myself. which is not cool at all. And I think I got lucky because a library it depended on could have been out of date, making the whole process even more complicated.
Either you deal with it, or you switch to Sid.
>March 11, 2002
>31 March 2002
(wikipedia in charge of consistant date formats)
your face when arch is older than gentoo
Wanna compile and thus have control about compile time options everything? Use gentoo.
Wanna have binaries for most things and custom compile only a few packages? Use Arch.
Otherwise there isn't much of a difference. Both systems require more maintenance than a run of the mill debian.
Gentoo and Arch are very similar.
If you want a metadistro that is source based, go with Gentoo.
If you want a metadistro that is binary based, go with Arch
The only thing that you would need to install Arch is beginners guide, fdisk usage page(can be done through YouTube videos for ease of use), general recommedations page and man pages of WM of your choice, it's not that hard, you only need to have will.
guy has some points, but choosing between them isn't just "one is better, one is worse", it depends on an individual case
things like how much flexibility is needed, how strict are the cpu and disk space requirements, how often one will do installs and updates.. all adds up to the difference between the two
gentoo is obviously more flexible, but what good is that if someone doesn't need the additional flexibility it provides?
>Anyone who has used Debian can tell you never have. Fonts are there right out of the box and its fairly easy to find. You dont have to do anything special to get sudo to work. Just be listed on sudoers list, no downloading necessary. You never tried Debian and are just bashing it because, being the autist fanboy that you are, you dislike anything that isnt your babby proof OSX.
It's pretty funny how much you protest he has never used Debian because of this sudo thing.
Just an FYI: Debian has never had sudo installed by default and it's way of setting up sudo %wheel is different to I believe any other distro.
>I heard the new York stock exchange runs on Gentoo
Nowhere that makes money or needs any form of basic security uses Gentoo and they never will. They all use SUSE or RHEL because they need paid support and someone to be held responsible for security patching of software. It's why RH make so many millions of $ each year, they provide the right service.
>Funnily enough, hardened Gentoo has higher level of security than RHEL.
Not really funny at all, hardened Gentoo is nothing other then a bunch of extra very basic cflags which are all used in every other distro apart from 'normal' Gentoo which doesn't even come with basic stack protection as well as patches which are done by a very small team (mostly by one guy, sven something) and are completely un-audited and have no backing for usage in a commercial mission critical use case.
I use Gentoo mostly for the USE flags, they let me tear out shit I don't want.
Install time isn't that bad unless you're a complete idiot or use an ancient machine.MAKEOPTS="-j#"
Where # is the number of cores in your system.shm /var/tmp tmpfs noatime 0 0
In your fstab. SSD's ain't got shit on RAM-disks.
>guy has some points, but choosing between them isn't just "one is better, one is worse", it depends on an individual case
This whole discussion is like two retarded kids arguing over an ant covered bologna sandwich on the playground...
It'll install fine on that, but you're probably going to run out of space if you use it at all. I'd recommend either resizing that up to at least 20GB before installing or just using a VM.