>>35999664 I'm not a dietitian but I was reading tons of paper on the stuff. The takeaway is still the age old everything increases and decreases your chance of cancer if you are wondering about that.
if you followed the WHO link, processed meat is a "proven" carcinogen, it increased risks like 18% (of the initial 1-2%), so my take it is pretty negligible and might just be statistical error. OTOH no one says anything about cured fish (actually you are encouraged to increase fish consumption), seeing the nitrosamines that are actually contributing to cancer are coming from the curing process.
And according to wikipedia: Endogenous nitrosamine formation can be inhibited by ascorbic acid.
>>35999856 cholesterol is needed for testosterone, and there is very little evidence that dietary cholesterol increases your serum levels. Also HDL/LDL ratio is far more important than your total cholesterol.
>>35999961 bacon is grouped together with other meat products. If you agree their methods were accurate (which were not) and believe their findings are not just propaganda, it is still entirely possible that only sausages or hot dogs or hams or whatever cause cancer. Grouping every processed meat together is very broad for those claims.
"Cholesterol is needed for testosterone" mistakes dietary cholesterol with the cholesterol in your blood, which isn't going to get low enough by any means to be insufficient for testosterone production, "there's little evidence that dietary cholesterol increases serum levels" is also bullshit but not the only thing wrong with dietary cholesterol anyway, and HDL numbers aren't considered a reliable predictor of heart disease, while LDL is usually considered the most important marker to monitor
> The formation of HCAs and PAHs varies by meat type, cooking method, and “doneness” level (rare, medium, or well done). Whatever the type of meat, however, meats cooked at high temperatures, especially above 300ºF (as in grilling or pan frying), or that are cooked for a long time tend to form more HCAs. For example, well done, grilled, or barbecued chicken and steak all have high concentrations of HCAs. Cooking methods that expose meat to smoke or charring contribute to PAH formation
Which is fine, but the research shows an association between processed meats and increased risk of cancer, not an association between all meat intake and increased risk of cancer. They're basically formulating an argument for why HCAs and PAH formation do not contribute to cancer
They even admit down the page that the HCA/PAH model only works on rodents and that population studies don't show the association
Well, they say population studies haven't established a definitive link, not that they don't show an association. They say it's difficult to establish such a link with that type of research.
>One difficulty with conducting such studies is that it can be difficult to determine the exact level of HCA and/or PAH exposure a person gets from cooked meats. Although dietary questionnaires can provide good estimates, they may not capture all the detail about cooking techniques that is necessary to determine HCA and PAH exposure levels. In addition, individual variation in the activity of enzymes that metabolize HCAs and PAHs may result in exposure differences, even among people who ingest (take in) the same amount of these compounds. Also, people may have been exposed to PAHs from other environmental sources, such as pollution and tobacco smoke.
>Nevertheless, numerous epidemiologic studies have used detailed questionnaires to examine participants’ meat consumption and meat cooking methods to estimate HCA and PAH exposures. Researchers found that high consumption of well-done, fried, or barbecued meats was associated with increased risks of colorectal (14), pancreatic (15, 16), and prostate (17, 18) cancer.
>>36000543 Yes hello, I am on the all blueberry cancer free diet. I eat thousands of blueberries a day. My skin is blue, my shit is blue, but at least I didn't get cancer from it. I got cancer from the sun instead.
>>35999664 This just in: The sun causes cancer. Everybody stay inside and lift at night.
For fucks sake, disregard 90% of "this can cause cancer" studies, they're either horse shit or they have small sample sizes and as such are useless for the majority of people. Can't scale 20 people up to the entire world.
Just focus on it's nutritional values, which are fine, and here's the kicker, in moderation.
You can't eat bacon every day, but once every second day as a start to the day with some egg whites and rye toast, or at night on a burger made of lean ground beef or chicken breast, you will be fine.
The biggest thing to worry about is cholesterol, fat from the oils both used to cook it and that are produced from it, and sodium intake.
Almost any kind of food is fine to eat, provided you eat it in moderation. Wanna drink the carbonated jew? Go for it, but don't drink more than 1-2 cans a day, and keep up constant exercise as they're empty calories . Wanna eat cake? Go for it, have a slice once a week/every few days after dinner. but don't scoff the whole thing in a sitting unless you're on a dirty fucking bulk.
/fit/ is so fucking anal about only eating the healthiest shit that they forget to enjoy the finer (or shittier) things in life and forget how to eat in moderation.
That being said, I stick to a rigid food regimen myself, but that's because I'm a recovering fatass and I know I don't want to lose my willpower and eat shit again.
>>35999894 Goddamnit why doesn't anybody understand statistics? It has been proven to have a significant effect, i.e. it is real not a statistical error. The amount might still be practically negligible in the larger scheme of things however, but that is an entirely different issue.
>>35999664 Pros: >Has protein >Don't need much if you're eating for the flavor >Can offend vegans, PETA and certain religions with your sandwich Cons: >Not a lot of protein >High Sodium >Can be expensive compared to other proteins (which also contain more protein anyways) IIFYM: >Very High in Fats (Can even cook other food in bacon fat for extra fat if you're on some super-bulk or something) >0 Carbs Depending on what you want out of it and how you use it, it isn't the worst thing you can eat, but it's not a great source of brotein and you probably won't suffer from a salt deficiency if you skip the bacon. Lots of flavour, but can get lost if you mix it up with other shit. Use it as a "finishing touch" rather than a main ingredient or a seasoning.
>>36003398 For whole broccoli not that I'm aware of. I doubt you could get any animal to eat enough broccoli to do this in a reasonable span of time either so there's the ethics review board to deal with force feeding as well. Unless there's some kind of specialist herbivore for crucifers, though that would've probably evolved defenses against high dietary loads of these compounds anyway. But that it can damage dna at high doses is reason to doubt its safety.
>High broccoli consumption has been associated with increased cancer risk? I don't think there is a sufficient number of people eating a half a kilo of raw broccoli a day or more for prolonged periods of time to do statistics on
>>36003746 I never said everything is unhealthy. I advocated for moderation in what you eat, rather than strict enforcement of a diet regimen. If you're a normal person with no mental deficiencies and average willpower, eat that cake every now and then, just don't eat all of it.
I'm also advocating against this stupid "x gives you cancer" bullshit that's spread across the internet like wildfire. News flash, taking a phone call gives you cancer. Breathing in second hand smoke walking past a smoking area gives you cancer. Driving a car gives you cancer.
Cancer is in every single thing and nothing you can do can change that. Simply eat foods in moderation, sticking to obviously healthy food as staples and adding in foods that might not be so healthy as a special occasion kind of thing.
treat them like that time your dad took you to get pizza or a burger, rather than as some unholy abomination that will steal your gains, your girlfriend and your job.
>>36003769 What is the every other day thing based on? I don't eat a lot of it, but I eat it every day. My normal breakfast is 1 slice of bacon, 2 eggs, 100g oats and 40g bran flakes. If it's only 1 slice, does it really matter if I eat it daily?
>>36003904 Based on nothing but my own perceptioon of what moderation is. It has a lot of cholesterol and sodium, so much (76% of daily intake on sodium at 100grams) that I would only eat it every second day as it would severely limit my macros and my daily intake of sodium.
Of course if you only eat one slice at less than 100 grams a day, go for it. But when most people eat bacon, even people on /fit/ it's at least 100 grams if not more of the stuff. Bacon is just so hard to not eat more of.
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