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What did he mean by this?
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>>35976104
He mad that some people are strong.
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it's just a fancy way of saying "I'm a faggot"
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>>35976114
>>35976117

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>>35976104
Implying that guy wouldn't rule the wasteland.

Implying a little skinny Jew academic would.
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that focusing on a random thing on a high level only makes you good at that random thing. which is the point of sports anyway. i dont see how that idea directly accomodates the "debasement of humans"
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>implying strength isnt needed clubbing someone in the skull, eating his corpse, then fucking his bitch
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He's saying powerlifters may be strong, but they look like shit and suck at everything else in life.
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>>35976104
Intellectual way of saying "I'm jelly, a pussy and never get laid"
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>>35976104

He is insecure about his own biological integrities, so he projects them onto someone who would be the most likely to survive biologically.

pretty much REEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU CHAD but in a more pretentious autistic way.
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>>35976104
But he's wrong.
That guy would just take the food from the faster smaller people, and likely be the one breeding the women.
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>>35976104
>In a natural environment he would have starved from an inability to catch a prey
What? Building a simple trap or fishing doesn't require much work, of course the man would loose most of his muscle mass, but starve? No way. He has enough fat and muscle to least at least a month without eating anything at all.
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Basically: that extreme specialization in narrow athletic and academic pursuits alike, without a holistic approach, has massively displaced us from the way our bodies were meant to function and how true intelligence works.
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>>35976104

I thought Hossein Rezazadeh was the strongest ever? Anyway, that guy is dumb. He's saying that by not being optimized to live in the wilderness, he's not successful. Ignoring that the whole reason for having modern society is that we DON'T have to worry about catching prey or running from predators.
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>>35976135
He thinks it's bad for some reason. A man like in the pic, in a state of nature (lol muh caveman paleo meme), would be leaner due to the circumstances while still being strong af so he's full of shit anyways.
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>>35976196

>true intelligence

>implying strength isn't necessary for natural function of the human body

spotted the Nu-Male.

And what exactly were we before we started lifting weights? The strongest survived through out history, not the berry picking cucks like you.
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>>35976208
The records have been reset many times.
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>>35976104
The single metric he is talking about is strength. Vassily had to put on enormous size (that gut) to be able to lift the heaviest weight at olympic competitions. Olympic events require a specific set of skills that fit the competition, skills that are generally not very useful in real life. Thus in a natural environment (meaning hunter gatherer) Vassily would have failed as a hunter because he is simply too fat.

From a biological/evolutionist viewpoint Nassim is correct. Humans are supposed to be physically capable to perform multiple tasks which ensure their survival. Counter arguments include we no longer live in a natural environment which allows us to perfect specific skills. Or that if an athlete in weightlifting chooses a realistic bodyweight that suits their genetics then they will be able to perform better across a multitude of skills i.e Lu Xiojun type of physique.

Modern society has given us a lot of benefits to pursue humanities potential, whether this is good or not comes down to your personal philosophy.
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>>35976132
Taleb is orthodox Christian
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>>35976104
Nassim Taleb is a clown with little to nothing of merit to offer the human race.
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Quit liking what I don't like
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>>35976104

He means not all lifting is aesthetic, or useful.
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>>35976104
Buzzwords.jpg
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>>35976104
Taleb is a meme.
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>>35976264
so is you're mom
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>>35976104
>implying he would be too slow or "unfit" to catch prey
A good parallel is the olympic shot putter. Similar builds, and olympic shotputters are fast as fuck so I'd imagine that guy in an all out sprint would be beast.
Brian Oldfield had a 10.5 second 100m and a 4.3 40.
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>>35976104
Basically, he is stating that it is not optimal to focus on a single way of measuring things, in this case, human potential. Strength is fantastic, but too much of it will cause you to suffer in other areas. Taken from an academic standpoint, you can drill a student to do math problems very quickly, but all you will accomplish is creating a student that is good at solving math problems very quickly.

There is a limited application for this.
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>>35976104
He's trying to tell you he's elliot rodgers.

Also he thinks he debased himself by focusing on something irrelevant like picking stuff up and putting it back down.
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>>35976104
>In the natural environment...
This is the natural environment, just like an ant hill is the natural environment of an ant. If you take away their ant hill they won't try to survive without it, they'll build another one. The absence of society is not natural.
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>Implying early man "hunted" at all

The Oldowan cultures did just fine without it thank you very much
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>>35976104
Think he means extreme specialization means you won't have a diverse skill set
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>>35976117
Aaahahahahahhaaahahaha
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>>35976104

>inability to catch prey

implying a giant monster like this man wouldnt defend the tribe from other humans like a male lion and be a breeder due to 10/10 strength genetics if he were alive during caveman times
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>>35976955

>all you will accomplish is creating a student that is good at solving math problems very quickly
>There is a limited application for this.

aerodynamics, rocket propulsion, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, thermodynamics, math, physics, orbital dynamics, aerospace engineering.

fill a room full of guys who specialize in one of those each and you put man on the moon
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>>35976104
He thinks life is some sort of RPG where you spend points. If x dude is really good at y then he must be really shit at everything else.

It's fallacious thinking. In reality you can be good at a lot different things at the same time. See all the people who lift, have a STEM degree and have a well rounded life. Like the dude who played Drago in rocky, a shredded engineer + famous actor.

It's just a way for mediocre people to feel better about themselves and justify why they're not excelling at anything in life. They like to think of themselves as jack of all trades when in fact they are just shit at everything.

I'm sure you've met people that think that just because you have an attractive physique you MUST be either dumb or narcissistic.
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>>35976791
You know humans never sprinted to catch prey? Even the fastest humans can't outrun most animals in a natural enviorment, humans hunted using their superior distance running.
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>>35976104

How can he use the caveman, who literally didn't even have enough academic prowess to construct a functioning language, as an explanation on why concentrated academics is a failure?

Thats as stupid as saying "water is good at putting out fires but not at performing CPR. Therefore humans who drink water cannot perform CPR"
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>>35976791

humans endurance pursuit predators breh
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>>35979935
>>35980007
When will this meme die? Humans hunted with bows, and before that they ate carcasses.
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He's saying that highly specialized roles bordering on esotericism rather than a rational division of practical labour creates folks who are very good at useless tasks.
And as someone who works in the field of finance he knows a lot about doing overspecialized pointless tasks am I right or am I right
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>>35980031

>persistence hunting is a meme

what is a book and how do i read one
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>>35980088
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis#Criticisms
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>>35980031
Probably never, because "forgotten tribes" still hunt through endurance today.
As did native americans, inuits and the australian aboriginal who did it recently enough for it to be documented.

You fuck.
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>>35980123

so you just like, skipped the entire 3 pages of information that supported the idea and went straight to the brief criticism section containing 1 single reference from two guys used 6 times?

im guessing you didnt do well at uni
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>>35980185
>>35980123

not to mention the one single reference AGAINST scavenging references a guy who wrote a fucking BOOK which SUPPORTS pursuit/scavenging predation
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>catching prey

jesus fucking christ these skeletons and their fantasies of humans being long distance running persistence hunters
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Taleb recomends deadlifting in his book antifragile. He also describes a bar/dumbell strategy. Summary: If you expierience stress and gro stronger from it you are antifragile (if the stress breaks you you are fragile / if the stress doesn´t chnage you nor positive or negative adaption you are resilent ? (sorry I am not native english speaker)
The second point is that the stress shouldn´t be so high that you go from antifragile to fragile.
Third point: chronic stress is bad ( high volume with little stress ) , aim for high stress with very low volume. In his books he mentions a guy who deadlifts up to his maximal weight for one rep and doesn´t train every day of the week.
Bar/dumbellstrategy because you add stress/weight over time to become more antifragile
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>>35976237

The amount of training professional athletes go through is far and beyond of what would actually be needed to survive in a natural environment. That is the point. Sure, lifting 250kg over your head makes you stronger than if you would only be able to do 200kg, but 200 is already hella strong.
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>>35976104
Except the reality here for that guy is the life of a weightlifter, natural environment being a training hall.

I'd like to see how the writer survives in that world. Probably would starve because he can't get that +200kg over his head to earn his meal.
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>>35980261
Kek that's my program already.
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>>35976135
Indeed. The real debasement of humans is coming from increased population. Becoming really good at ONE thing is the only way to make yourself worth something when being average puts you against more than 7 billion people.
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>>35979889

That worked until about 40-50 years ago. These days the specialization has often gone so far that if educating a specialist would only include training in their own specific field they couldn't communicate with each other in that room. One solution is to promote interdisciplinarity and widen the scope of basic training, or train other individuals with the specific task of communicating between fields.
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>>35976104
a functional cuck using flowery language
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>in a natural environment he would have starved
why do people bring this up? Who gives a shit? We don't fucking live in the wilderness anymore. There's literally no point in ever saying shit like this. "In a natural environment" you wouldn't be on facebook shit talking someone you've never met.
fucking pointless
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He'd probably have more chance of survival than a skinnyfat homosexual who's spent his entire life optimising a literally useless academic metric (muh social commentary).

I'd rather be the best at lifting metal things above my head than one out of millions of mediocre academics who only stay relevant because teenagers think that their posturings are meaningful in some way.
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>>35980291
except interdisciplinarity doesn't work as well because there is so much fucking knowledge hyperspecialisation is the name of the game if you want to advance anywhere deeper
at this point you need a metaspecialisation in interdisciplinarity so you can use the hyperspecialists as a project manager
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>>35980401
Ecologist here.
We do still live in a natural environment. Nothing we do or invent will ever change that cause we're part of nature. In our natural environment, people don't starve anymore, and natural selection strongly favors low intelligence (chavs, nigs and turks have more kids).
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>>35976104
>>35980401
this. the fuck is natural? we moved past that shit generations ago. what's impressive about some cave shit merely surviving for a living?
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>>35976104
It means that optimization of any single metric is meaningless.
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seems to me he just wants an excuse to ramble off and talk shit about some guy lifting heavy ass weight because

> im smart and don't lift weights because in nature if I was fat like him I would die ahha

I guess he never took an ecology course huh
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>>35980920
He lifts.
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>implying that in a natural environment he would be a weight lifter
>implying he wouldn’t be a strong and dedicated alpha male much better than a skelly intellectual

That's such a bullshit, he's trying to say "I WOULD BE BETTER THAN HIM IF THINGS WERE DIFFERENT, BUT ANYWAY I'M THE SMARTEST TODAY" what a faggot.
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>>35981065
ITT: niggas missing the point
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>mfw 90% of /fit/ doesn't know about Nassim Taleb and how much of a cuck he is

This is now a Taleb lulz thread
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>debasement of humans by commoditized academia and competitive sports

Lmao, and the staff of mcdonalds aren't debased either?

Basically anyone with a job or anyone doing something they don't like is "debased"
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ITT:

Dumbshits literally think a published professor is mad at athletes or something

God damn, you niggas dumb as fuck, jesus christ
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>>35981246
>God damn, you niggas dumb as fuck, jesus christ
..........he says, while offering no alternative justification.
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>>35981053
but as much as the guy in the pic he posted?
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>>35976104
>DAT APPEAL TO NATURE
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>>35981246

This. He's slating over specialisation and treating human beings like an insect colony not athletes. It could easily apply in a work environment to someone who has been trained and knows only one very specialist role which then gets outsourced say. Fucking morons.
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>>35976149
that's an olympic lifter, you mong
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>>35976104
He just took the weightlifter and sports in general as exemple to critisize other fields. Maybe he knows nothing about oly lifting, but I can see his point and I agree.
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>>35976104
Fucking lazy autist.

Division of labor and hyperspecialization is what makes humans efficient the most.
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he's basically saying being a true human at peak human potential means being able to survive as a human would have before the creation of society and technology

basically a meme opinion
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>>35981565
what is this
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>>35976104
He's basically one of the retards that's like PEOPLE WHO TRAIN REALLY HARD TO DO GOOD IN A SPORT ARE STUPID BECAUSE IF WE LIVED IN CAVEMAN DAYS THEY WOULD DIE BC THEY CANT CUT DOWN TREES AND HUNTS DUUUUURRRRRRRRR

basically a scrawny faggot who thinks he's cool. its usually hamplanet guys or hicks that post this shit. making fun of modern men's fashion because they can't cut down a tree, shoot guns, or fuck their cousins or something
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>>35984461
Read the second half of what he wrote. He uses the single lift as an analogy for overspecialization. Also, he probably stronger than you.
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In natural world he'd make weak bishes and drunk slavscum to gather for him.
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He's not wrong, but his rationale comes off as more insecure than meaningful.

Also next to no one on the is planet lives in a """"""""natural""""""" evironment anymore. Situational awareness is pertinent for all creatures modern or otherwise.
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I'm sure the Olympic weight lifter has a higher chance of surviving as a caveman than the faggot 70 year old hipster who wrote this bullshit
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>>35981108
I hope you get a black swan in your life
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>>35976104
ITT: autists confirming the stereotype that lifters are dumb
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In the book he mentoined and mathpro who emigrated from the soviet union. He could solve all the Integrals and other mathematical stuff. But he couldn´t create the Integrals. So both were working on wall street and taleb created the Integrals (which by himslef he could not solve) and the soviet math dude solved them for him. But the soviet dude could not but the world into these Integrals. Taleb made a lot of money and the soviet dude stayed math autist, he couldn´t make his skill work in the real world.
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I've listened to interviews with Nassim and he's borderline crazy. He even claims that he will only walk on uneven pavement in order to create a chaotic environment at a subatomic level that way he doesn't stay stagnant in his life; a true loon. He is, however, highly intelligent in terms of academic achievements, but his papers on chaos have been refuted and laughed at by physicists and mathematicians.

Also, comparing a man in today's day and age to the hunter-gatherer society is absurd. The mechanisms that allowed the power lifter to become one of the strongest men on the planet didn't even exist back then. If that man were born into a hunter-gatherer society, he would have no conception of what olympic weight lifting even was. However, if his interest in strength were still intact, he may use a rudimentary means of becoming a strong hunter for his tribe.

What I'm trying to say is that I can easily pick a race car driver that has honed his abilities to the highest degree and say "this man is not optimized for running and capturing his food. Place this man in hunter-gather times and he would starve from his lackluster endurance."

Using these kinds of comparisons in modern times is silly, to say the least.
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>>35976149
Vassily kept fit after his weight lifting career by chopping wood and other chores. Heres a little article about that motherfucker http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/08/baddest-motherfuckers-ever-17-vasily.html?m=1&zx=af4ea4d4f38dba03
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>>35985189
I should also add that Nassim points out the effects of becoming an expert at one particular skill as opposed to creating a wide skill set. This is kind of silly as well considering that experts are needed in our society in order to function at an optimum level. An aerospace engineer has practiced his craft in a very specific way--and although he may not be able to install the seats inside a jet, or design the interior in an attractive way, his specific skill is more valuable than someone who has a mediocre understanding in a multitude of areas. Although both of these types of people are needed, the specialist is more valuable in terms of productivity and advancement.

Nassim, in my humble opinion, suffers from delusions because he himself, although more intelligent than the average Joe, is nothing noteworthy in terms of academia.

Listen to his interview with James Altucher and you will see my point illustrated perfectly. He's an intelligent psuedo intellectual.
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>>35976104
Taleb is one of the best risk theorists in the world.

Here he's explaining why single parameter optimization is bad when one is trying to model complex systems.

In academia best example of this is REF in UK, where research is rated in an incredibly weird way that allows Oxbridge to fall under Essex in some fields, ranks LSE under UCL for economics, does not allow economic historians to submit anything nor do any interdisciplinary work to be praised. A second example would be the tenure path in USA where your publication ability gets you your tenure meaning that you're fucked if you have one super-good field changing article in Nature as that chump with 4 "good" articles in Nature would pass you due to you having a single article.

In sports you have people that have lost any kind of athleticism in order to gain maximum strength. He's using Vassily Alexeiev in order to demonstrate what would happen if you try to apply optimisation logic let's say in economics: You end up having "growth" only to see that your subjective well-being is in the trash can and your country in tatters.
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>>35985283
Isn't that a really obvious thing though? If you're competing at the highest level you need to completely focus on your thing and not care about others because some other dude out there is going to and you can't waste your time doing stuff that wont improve yourself. I don't see how that's bad either, without people focusing entirely one thing we wouldn't have breakthroughs, or they would be much slower because everyone just kinda good at lots of things, rather than extremely good at only one thing.
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>>35985321
For strength athletes that are living in the modern world? Yes

He's saying that despite him being an absolute best in his field it does not make him "fittest" or "a survivor".

A "real world example":
For a country that has already developed growth is to be focused.

But only focusing on pure numeric growth would create problems. Such as corruption, drop in life standards or income inequality.

So he's saying that do not focus on a single parameter unless you are living in a protective bubble.

In academia you are currently being punished if you focus on a single paper and being forced to pump up papers instead of focusing on a one big single topic. Which results in a steep drop in academic work quality in proportion.
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>>35976158
>steal
>have sex with all our women

he doesn't look like a nigger to me, anon
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>>35984401
sex with a woman

it took me a while to recognize it also
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>>35976196
>Basically: that extreme specialization in narrow athletic and academic pursuits alike, without a holistic approach, has massively displaced us from the way our bodies were meant to function and how true intelligence works.


I think for the regular joe this is very important to consider once taking into account the idealization of specific sports. We should be more athletic overall, not so muscle focused. Let professional athletes do their thing.
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>>35985321
>If you're competing at the highest level you need to completely focus on your thing and not care about others because some other dude out there is going to and you can't waste your time doing stuff that wont improve yourself.
Think long term. More skills means that you're resistant to high-impact, low probability random events and could possibly benefit greatly from chaos.

I have lived a chaotic lifestyle for 7-8 years now without having a job. I have friends who are specialists in their field and make great money. I also have friends who are highly specialized but can't work in their field because there are currently no jobs. Anyway, I have skills in electronics, computers, networks and various other random things. I'm currently running a tourism business offering tours in my home town. Business is good. I also do computer work on the side - fix phones and laptops, build public wifi networks, resell refurbished hardware. I build websites and have friends who do design. I never know what I'm doing the next day. Lets say tourism and economy collapse because of a civil war or Russian invasion - I can still make money with my skills in electronics, electric engineering and repairing shit while my friends currently working in offices would be royally fucked. My income fluctuates a lot, but on average I make more money than most of my specialized friends and live a comfortable life and even have savings. I literally don't even know how much I make a month since I do lots of cash business and spend it on the go. It's irrelevant because I can never count on it in the long run. I'm fine knowing my current funds and estimated income for the next week or two.
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>>35985846
Oh, and I work like 2-10h every week. Plenty of time for lifting and cooking delicious meals.
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>>35976196
I agree with this, but it is important to recognize that although humans don't need to be the best at one specific thing, it is important to learn about multiple subjects. I believe lifting helps, how can you take care of the mind if the body is in bad shape? Certainly it is possible, but wouldn't it be easier with proper nutrition and habits?

The point is not to train all day to be the best lifter or academic, it is to understand more about human culture through learning of past knowledge so you are able to make an informed opinion when it comes to governing your own body in the world today.
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>>35979919
>He thinks life is some sort of RPG where you spend points. If x dude is really good at y then he must be really shit at everything else.
This so much. People I know think I'm some kind of meathead and a lumbering slow retard. I'm not even fucking ottermode. They also don't understand what lifting for strength is.
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>>35976237
>>implying strength isn't necessary for natural function of the human body
It really isn't. You can just ask others for help. 10 people are stronger than 1 guy that has ten times the strength of each single one. That's why intelligence is more important, it only scales with the square root. So you'd only need someone that is thrice as intelligent as 10 people to replace them and he'd still be stronger.
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