>>35959249 >Don't get too big now and look like one of them freaks >nah ma, I'm cutting anyway >Oh, do you want me to cook anything for you? Every time As long as I stay natty mom will cook for me during prep.
>>35959384 because women of society are forcing their feminine traits onto their sons and the rest of society, it is wrong to be masculine but here we are talking about big muscles and posting borderline gay pictures on a siberian trucker meme sharing image board.
My mom encourages my gym habit, but when I told her I focus on powerlifting, she got a little meeker about it. I think part of it is because my abusive, rapist dad was into powerlifting to, and seeing some of those pieces of him in me may scare her
>>35961395 He got in a car accident in November 2014, was put into a coma for several months and last I saw was confined to a wheelchair. The rest of his family is all dead, so he had to move maybe 1000 miles before he could find someone willing to help his recovery.
He may have served jail time for a different crime, but he's getting his punishment now
>>35963585 You're retarded right? You think "organic" is a catch all term for "better for me" Wouldn't want to ingest all those anabolics would we? And don't blame the growth hormone used in chicken barns for your gyno. Eat your cheep ass hormonaly enhanced chicken meat. It's the same shit except bigger.
>>35959456 Depends on where it comes from, your mom is always going to try to flatter you but if it's a stranger or someone who doesn't have a strong personal relationship with you i.e. immediate family and very close friends, I'd take the compliment, it's genuine
Just spent like 2 fucking hours trying to get my brother to understand that people who have the goal of 'fitness', as opposed to 'strength and size', are not going to to make it. He refused to learn. I now realize that people actually fucking believe this.
>>35965722 Would you mind elaborating? I'm finally hitting my third month of consistent gains because I'm focusing on fitness and health as my goal instead of aesthetics, but I guess there's something I'm still missing. I want to learn what that is.
Eating organic won't magically make you less fat and shitty, but if you can't taste and feel the difference between organic/responsibly farmed food and mass produced "vegetables" you're probably trailer trash.
My parents wholeheartedly support my enthusiasm for weightlifting just because I was really inactive as a kid, though they don't seem to understand calories in/calories out very well (they're not fat or anything, they just can't seem to wrap their minds around eating fewer calories to lose weight as opposed to "just eating healthier"). They're also a bit leery of me eating whey protein; they won't outright say it's bad but they constantly tell me I should "just eat lean ground beef or chicken instead," but fail to understand that I can't really afford to eat meat in my city on my budget.
All in all they're great, it's my extended family that's absolute shit. They're absolutely loaded and live incredibly well educated and luxurious lifestyles, but don't understand the first thing about nutrition.
>>35963528 That's not an excuse when you're 15+ because at that age in todays society is old enough to educate yourself and get a job to buy your own groceries if necessary (I know because thats what I did)
>>35959249 >tfw I've actually become more assertive and aggressive in the arguments I have with my sister >mfw I tell her to clean her dishes up, she says she's tired from work, and I fucking snap when she says I should have thanked her gaylord friend for giving me a lift home from work and that me being tired didn't count for not saying thank you
Kind of a dick move not to say thank you, to be sure, but I was really fucking exhausted and thanked him when she told me I hadn't said it.
Lifting's made me more assertive and confident. I can feel the test levels rising.
>>35967049 Yep. Basketball doesn't cost much (just a hoop) and it's a way to get into college. But racists make up excuses because it's easier than admitting that slavery fucked up black communities in America which is why they're disproportionately poor. It's easier to believe slavery somehow made them "stronger" so we don't feel as bad.
>>35969167 I never said it set them back genetically. It didn't advance OR set them back genetically because slave holders couldn't actually control who slaves boned. Sometimes they tried but people are people and they weren't super successful. Slaves had enough autonomy that they could have kids with anyone within walking distance if both parties were amenable.
>>35969328 Complicated answer but the short version is that slavery basically left most American blacks with nothing after 1865 and there was still entrenched racism up until like the 1970s. (Still kinda is, but nearly as much.) So for centuries you had an entire race for the most part living as second class citizens, which doesn't give them a great foundation for growth economically. Just because something changes doesn't mean the long term effects aren't felt for a long time afterwards.
>>35969294 200 years is more than enough time to recover economically. Jews recovered remarkably quickly. Similarly, Asian migrants went from near poverty to wealthy in only a generation. Admit that black Americans have an attitude problem and a dependence on hand outs. If they put a stronger focus on education and hard work like Asian migrants do, they would close the gap incredibly quickly especially with the amount of affirmative action programs and quotas they have at their disposal.
>>35959418 Why do some mothers say this? I'm the exact opposite. She freaks out whenever I mention I'm going to stop bulking in a couple of months. Ruined my last cut because she kept buying me free takeout. Shit, man. I can't turn down free food. I wasn't raised that way.
>>35969365 200 years? You know that in the 1970s blacks were still barred from most high paying jobs, right? Blacks have always been treated worse than the other groups you mentioned in America. None of them were literally enslaved. I'm not saying there ISN'T an attitude problem or handouts issue in the black community. What I'm saying is that if you ignore the very real economic underpinnings, you're kind of a retard with no grasp of American history.
>>35969428 That's because Germany had a great big fucking wall through the middle of Berlin until 1989. As soon as that wall came down and East and West Germany were reunited, they got their shit together incredibly quickly and within less than 10 years were the Economic powerhouse of Europe.
Can't imagine black doing anything nearly as impressive. Just look at Africa for fuck sake.
>>35969499 West Germany had actually been growing for years. It was more of a continuance of that, which is why regions like BW or Bavaria still outpace the northeastern regions. It's why Munich is nicer than Berlin. You been to Germany, anon? Doesn't sound like you have.
And I never said it was "all whitey's fault." I said the problem is nuanced and slavery played a role in creating it. How many strawmen will you set up for me to knock down today?
>>35969631 Fair. But I more meant formulating your own viewpoints outside of party politics is more alpha than simply adhering to an established spectrum. Thinking for yourself is certainly an alpha trait.
>>35969841 Berlin is ok, but it's objectively dirtier and objectively less well off financially than Munich. And honestly, your average German is more hardworking than your average American, white or black, so what does this prove?
>>35959333 This happend to me as well, she said: Well how big do you want to get and I said 80 kg minimum because that's still DYEL at 6', then she said you should watch it so you don't become a fatty(paraphrasing here cuz I'm german) and I said yeah, as if that happens, I have to eat a huge caloric surplus right now to gain my hard earned pounds and muscles
>>35959418 Are mothers retarded, I want to get into the army and she is concerned about me getting too muscular...Wtf? I'm barely out of DYEL mode and scrape 80 kg when I'm fucking filled with water/milk/food
>>35969100 So >>>/t/umblr ? What kind of attitude do you think you're twisting here? Being so one sided in an argument and pinning everything down to what your self hating liberal prof cunt told you isn't very intelligent
>>35969483 Historically, Africa has rarely been "on par" with Europe. And their leaders cucked themselves by being greedy idiots. A couple of Portuguese ships went into Africa and started up the slave trade, with the help of leaders all too willing to sell rival tribes into slavery.
>>35971758 No one is saying Africans weren't involved in the slave trade. But yes, Africa was historically on par with Europe up until around the late Middle Ages. The Muslims you poltards hate so much were actually more advanced up until then as well. Sorry but it's well documented. You should pick up a book sometime.
>>35969391 > In the 1970s blacks were still barred from most high paying jobs
So what? The problem with African Americans in the country is not that there aren't enough Black CEO's. The problem is that there are far too many broken families, incarcerated men, and far too much drug abuse, gang activity, and crime. A glass ceiling on the highest-paying jobs doesn't excuse these other social problems. African American culture has serious fundamental flaws. Which is not to say that ANY culture is perfect, but until there is cultural change, there will be no progress for African Americans as a group.
>>35971840 A lack of capital in a capitalist society doesn't seem like a problem to you?
inb4 socialist; I'm probably more free market than you are
And again, you are strawmanning. Of course those problems exist in the black community. Why can't the cultural issue and the economic issues be related? Poor people of any race have these issues. Why do you think so many mafia groups are immegrant based? The problem is that you're looking on this with one possible cause in mind: race. That's so simplistic that it's comical.
>>35971809 > Africa on par with Europe African Africans or north Africans? You have to remember sub Saharan and north African people can not be looped under the term "African", basically totally different people. North Africans on par with Europe ever, yes. Sub Saharan Africans on par with Europe, nah
>>35971861 But I agree with that. I never said otherwise. My only point here is that the race issue is very complex and people want to make it as simple as "lol blacks a shit." And that's just bad logic.
East Africa? Always been shit, before and after the Muslims started up a Caliphate there. West/Central Africa? Lots of desert, low natural resources, literally 1 kingdom of note. South Africa was basically just tribes before Europeans took it over.
North Africa has had some pretty based civilizations. Egyptians, then Phoenician- influenced civilization (e.g Carthage), then Muslim-influenced civilization. But that's not the whole continent. At all.
>>35971953 Generally similar in terms of technological advancement, economic strength etc. And some west and east African societies were pretty powerful just because coastal resources. But that's my exact point right? Resources and culture have a lot to do with how well a society functions. It's not just "lol they're black."
>>35971990 OK but that doesn't disprove my point. The problem isn't skin color. It's a question of many factors. I'm not even arguing from a particularly liberal or even political standpoint. It's just logic that history and economics aren't 100 percent based on race.
>>35971883 I barely even mentioned race. You're the only one doing that homie. Racism is bad, yes. The ending of slavery didn't suddenly mean that Blacks were on an even playing field. Yup. The low socio-economic status of Blacks is absolutely reinforced by the culture that I just described. That's not to say that Irish, or Italian, or *insert immigrant group here* didn't have struggles/crime when they came. But what did happen was an eventual cultural change to fit in with other Americans. Because of slavery, and then the segregation that followed, Blacks never integrated into American society as a whole. The question is, how do we help that transition?
We've got two examples of immigrant groups that are mostly insular, but with wildly different outcomes. Asians came here, established roots, and oftentimes changed very little in terms of their cultural values. They ended up very successful here, perhaps because some of their values (e.g hard work, no complaining, strong focus on children, etc) meshed well with American values. On the other hand, we're of course seeing lots of immigration from Mexico. Central America as well, but Mexican communities are especially insular. Compared to other Spanish-speaking immigrants, Mexicans are multiple times less likely to learn English, for example. As a result, even though Mexicans may work hard, being insular makes it harder to move up the economic ladder.
>>35971990 >lives in actual garden of Eden, cradle of life etc >reach out and take foods off plants >abundant and varied animals to feast on >oh shit Mdunga, we gotta sort our food situation out quick smart! it tends to not snow in Africa, so domesticated/intensive food production isn't so very very necessary...
>>35972094 Which leads to not having to prepare for winter and not having to plan ahead for the future. Sub Saharan people did not pass on genes of people that learned how to figure shit out, but people that could out run and kill animals. Whilst the only way to pass on genes in Europe was to have progeny that could prepare for winter and plan ahead and all that
>>35972178 Then how does evolution work then? It's all just random that people with different sun exposures develop lighter or darker skin? Having populations culled in different ways doesn't have any effect in later generation genes?
There's no gene for "being good at hunting." Christ. Hunting is a specific skill that requires broader things like situation awareness or observational thinking. Know how I know you 1.) don't hunt and 2.) have never set foot in a biology class?
>Mum lost 90lbs by dieting and using a stepping machine like pic related >very good achievement of course and she will live much longer, very happy for her >however this means she has viewed me working out with suspicion >seems to think that a stepping machine will let me gain muscle and become big >doesn't understand that cardio doesn't build muscle >keeps trying to make me use her stepping machine >won't stop it >followed me to the gym recently >snuck in somehow with the stepping machine >walked to the weights area and put it down, then started walking on it while loudly shouting 'WOW GUYS, I CAN FEEL THE BURN, GETTING BIG!' to all the gym patrons >ignored her, she got mad >for my birthday she bought me my own stepping machine >glued on pictures of my childhood bullies she found on facebook >'now you can get big while walking all over those bullies anon' >won't stop this >losing gains because I use a stepper just to please her
>>35972279 Where did it say "being good at hunting"? I'm just saying some people are more built for running distances or faster, stocky legged people are not particularly good runners and most runners have longer legs. Longer legs would help better to catch up to animals using weapons with shorter range while using a longer range weapon wouldn't require catching up if more at a distance, no? Also please prove me wrong instead of going straight to insults
>>35972279 Situational awareness and critical thinking are definitely behaviors that are passed on through genes. It's ironic that try to insult me by saying I've never stepped foot in a biology class when this is basic biology. If you went to school 5-10 years ago, then you wouldn't have learned that behaviors are passed on through genes as up until recently it was thought that behaviors were absolutely not genetic, but they are. http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro02/web3/rdeering.html
Genes code the proteins that arrange the structure of your brain and this absolutely has an outcome on your behavior.
>>35972436 >>35972418 >let's just pretend all these factors don't make a difference. Now you're really either trolling or are just this retarded. So you're saying if Usain bolt had little midget legs he would still be #1? Absolutely not.
>>35972464 That was his point though. By admitting these genes exist you're admitting that a good hunting gene is exists. What would a good hunting gene be other than the makeup of the genes that make you good hunter? For someone talking about broad things you have a very narrow mind.
>>35972505 >missing the point so hard Factors anon. Long legs would have an effect on hunting, so would short legs. I'm not saying it's the be all end all, I'm saying it's a FACTOR. ESPECIALLY, when we had to run down our prey. You need to learn some relativity in your life.
>>35972534 Ancients ran down their prey... right over a cliff so they could trap it and then kill it with spears. Sounds like, oh I don't know, planning? Primitive hunting like modern hunting, is about planning, ambush, and thinking.
>>35972418 Nobody has yet to tell me how it is I'm wrong. All I put, basically, was Europeans had been culled to keep genes of people that could prepare for winter, by making the most of a season with nearby crops and docile penned animals. While sub Saharan Africans did not have to prepare for winter, but did have to be more physically athletic in order to be better hunters
> hurr durr figuring things out means naturally farmers >hurr durr being physically athletic means naturally hunters These are learned things, but some genes help people lean either or. Read up on twin studies then decide whether or not genes also play a role in behavior
>>35972539 Except it has, go do some research. Go look at the sat scores, iq scores, etc. Of each race based on wealth distribution. Even the wealthiest black man is dumber on average than the average dirt poor white boy. It's undeniably a combination of genetic and cultural traits. How you act in this life, will affect your kid.
>>35972113 Except the idea of "we need to start becoming a big conentrated population so we can modernize!" Is entirely a modern notion you dumb faggot
>>35972165 You had it right until you started rambling about genes. Modern homo is all practically identical, culture is not passed on genetically in any way shape or form. 0/10 made me respond.
>>35972210 >>35972255 Good god. That's almost like saying people are born knowing how to speak languages. Like, yes, awareness and the ability to run long distances are evolutionary benefits for hunting, but take an African baby, a white baby, and an Asian baby and raise them in a European style agricultural community and they'll all be exactly (on average) the same at it.
>>35972249 Not for cultural things like making tools, using advanced tools, advanced planning, etc.
>>35972259 That's a very odd statement anon, comparing learned culture to natural impulse. Breathing =/= advanced tool based hunting =/= agriculture. Simple "hunting" persistence/opportunistic hunting comes naturally to all humans that are raised in an environment where that would be profitable. But blacks in Africa don't "tend" towards advanced tool based hunting through genetics, they do it because that's what they learn.
>>35972728 It's shitty in Canada because we boo Americans for their treatment of blacks, but we did the same (or worse) to the native Americans. But we carried out genocide before we spent 100+ years actively trying to erase their culture.
>>35972866 It read as though you were Implying tendency towards behaviour was genetic rather than culture, though I ay have misinterpreted what you meant by behaviour, or if you were actually Implying anything.
I meant agriculture in the cultural sense, as opposed to a hunter/gatherer/forager culture. In which case it is dictated by surrounding and a variety of factors, but not by genetics.
>>35972971 That's also true. People like to cry about anonymity bringing out the worst; pseudo anonymity with rewards given for mindlessly appealing to an anonymous community is just as bad, if a bit different.
>blacks are viewed as second class citizens until 1970 >expect them to change position on a large scale in 1 generarion
Blacks still have second rank everything. They live in poor neighbourhoods, have poor schools and have shit habits. It's social heritance. And that is tough to break. You need to understand, that creating something out of nothing is hard. And that's why so many blacks seem unintelligent and are poor.
But many people deny this, including the ones in this thread.
>>35974579 Yeah, but I can understand the frustration. Seeing someone not do very well, live off "your tax money" makes people envious. And this will start the hate. But the only way to eliminate the problem, is to make sure that there are no ghettoes. I'm not a socialist, but the best communities are those where there is least inequality. But I think the whole welfare tactic is pointless. Yes they will blow the money on stupid shit. Because they don't know any better. Like people who won the lottery and 2 years after they're broke, because they didn't invest shit.
Personally I think a lot of America's problems could be solved, if they focused on making equal opportunities for everyone. Cheaper college, health care and better public schools. And the 1% can afford to pay 5% more in tax to fund it. But that is too commie logic for them. Kinda excited to see if bernie wins. I don't think America is ready for it.
>>35974942 Yeah, and I am torn myself because I believe this, but when it comes to values I'm way more conservative. Economically I am inclined to socialism though, just because equal opportunity is getting rarer these days.
Would you believe I guessed that right off the bat? I will never understand why the rest of the world feels the need to talk down to us about how our politics aren't left enough for them. They're not supposed to be.
>>35975222 Just saying that I think your system is flawed. USA was build on the idea of hard wprk paying off. A man was master of his own fortune. But now there is none of that left. Everything costs so much money, that you cut off a lot of people. And I think it's sad, because I like so much about your culture. Also I just watched "the big short" today. That movie sure as fuck makes you think.
I actually live here. I have 60K in student debt and a middling pay job. And you know what? I'm doing fine. I like it. Fuck off and deal with your own country's problems. And don't tell me you don't have any because everyone does.
>immigrants >big company tax fraud >distrust in politicians >we are bit of a fatty nation as well, this is slowly turning though >all people move to the big cities, leaving the outer areas under populated >muslim ghettoes. They are not propermy integrated, and sadly they are our version of niggers. Poor neighbourhoods. >but mass shootings aint one
Guns arent one. Nobody has any, except for police. My dad has, but he goes hunting. And the test to get a license is pretty damn hard, with regular check ups. Why are guns so important to you?
We're a country of 320 million people, 8.000 a year of whom are murdered by a gun and less than 300 of whom die by rifles. Yeah. We're DROWNING in shootings over here. Feel free to check the stats yourself.
>Why are guns so important to you?
That would take me an essay to explain. But mostly because I believe armed self defense is a human right. It was just one example. In America, rights exist and are curtailed only if you do something to lose them. We didn't have kings so we don't really see our rights as being given by anyone.
>>35959324 I'm fucked, arn't I? I've been having one shake to keep me full every day (Usualy for breakfast or lunch, paired with some fruit). I've been trying to get /fit/ because i've got a fatty liver, and am too fatty in general.
>>35975460 >Guns arent one. Nobody has any, except for police.
Yeah except for every fucking terrorist that manages to sneak in with your millions of refugees. Probably numbering the hundreds of thousands by now. You Eurotards are fucking delusional. Thats why I laugh every time you fags get bombed, shot or one of your little feminist whores gets raped and beaten. You deserve it, each and every time.
>>35975517 Act of terrorism Sadly an issue all over Europe
>>35975500 Now figure out how many people die each day due to firearms. It's a lot, compared to all other top 20 nations in the world. And your rights were given to you by founding fathers? Business men and other elite status people. And why do you bring god into everything? Does your politicians honestly believe that God is with them?
>>35975604 Ok I will concede that one point. When I was in Germany I LOVED drinking outside.
That being said, I've also fired a fully automatic weapon at a gun range once and it was pure sex. I'll take the tradeoff. Gladly. And our beer is better than anyone in the world's anyway, so when we do get to drink it, it is fantastic.
>>35975661 I've been in the Euro school system. It's just... impersonal and one size fits all. The lectures aren't great. Idk, man. I truly just dgaf about the debt. Helps my credit rating anyway and my taxes are low so it's not a burden. I'd rather that money go to my school than the state that keeps trying to cuck everyone.
>>35975628 You can shoot here as well. I don't know if you can shoot automatics though.Just have to join a club and stuff to do it. And you can't take the rifle home, but yeah.. And danish beer isn't the best.. But I always get beer from Belgium if I can, that's some top fucking quality man.
>>35975638 It was the first one I could think of. There is that red headed guy also, and more, but I can't remember the names of those. Virginia tech massacre is another one? But usually there is no political association with these. It is insane people, doing insane things. Terrorists are usually part of an organization, and their attacks are more targeted and planned.
It's 02 at night, and I have to sleep now. Gotta drive to Italy tomorrow, so can't fall asleep. Good luck Americans!
>>35975584 Lots of people get hurt from firearms, because people are idiots. Let's say that 99 percent of people can use firearms responsibly, and the other 1 percent are idiots. That's 3.3 million idiots with access to guns in the US, which is over half of the population of Denmark (5.64 million). People are going to get hurt.
Also consider the differences in terms of culture and diversity. With the US, you're dealing with a country almost 60 times larger than Denmark. A country infinitely more culturally and racially diverse, and a country with a culture of gun ownership that's been a part of this country since the first colonists. Throw in a relatively weak central government for most of our history, and you can see why guns aren't given up very easily. European countries have been insular, mono-culture monarchies for hundreds, even thousands of years. By comparison, the US is still the wild wild west.
>>35975740 I've done that comparison. Long story short: we have more gun crime but average murder rate. If you're stabbed, is that really better? And why would I not include south american countries? They have far stricter laws and much much higher murder rates. I'm guessing that's why you tried to bait me into not using them as examples.
>>35975742 Yeah but I think it's saying something that even if even though that one percent is made of idiots, only 33K people die from guns (mostly suicides and that data was 2013; it's lower this year). Given the amount of access and the sheer number of guns, that's not really very high at all.
>>35975777 So is heart disease and obesity. We have bigger problems (literally). Guns should have mandatory background checks and such, but other than that there's not too much you can do to prevent people from getting guns.
>>35975879 I would rather even fewer deaths. I think the background checks and making people register their guns is really all you can or need to do. Yes, people can get them illegally, but if you're going to have a legal way to buy guns, don't let felons and mentally unstable people get them legally just because people don't want to fill out a little paperwork for a background check.
>>35975966 Did you read the form I referenced in >>35975949 ? I don't think you're even aware of what the laws already are. Felons and the mentally unstable can NOT get a gun legally under the current law. There is a background check every time you buy a gun over the counter. Look it up.
They sure do. And you have to fill out 4473 at those too.
>I've never bought a gun
>if people on the No-Fly list can get guns legally, then there's something wrong here.
The no fly list has no oversight and is impossible to get off of even if you're on there by mistake. Look it up. It shouldn't exist let alone be used for backdoor gun control.
>If there's no way to legally buy a gun without a State/Federal background check, then you've got me, but I'm pretty sure there are obvious loopholes.
The ONLY time you can is if you buy from a private seller and the ATF has rules about who is a private seller. No mass shootings were committed with guns sold in this way. You're free to look that up too.
I'm not saying you're a retard, anon. I'm just disappointing people still believe the horseshit the antigun lobby peddles.
>>35976090 See what I posted above regarding private sales.
>>35976067 >but if people on the No-Fly list can get guns legally, then there's something wrong here.
You know how the No Fly List works? they take the first and last name of somebody they want band from flying, and ban everybody with that name. Middle names aren't on it, so if John Smith is on the list, all john smith's are banned
>>35976178 >look , we've been through this before. >crowder selected FFL dealers at the gun show to ask to buy to try and forgo a background check. >being FFLs they are required to background check. >Had he went to a private seller at a gun show, he would have gotten the gun no background check. >but, you will see people herpin-and-a-derpin in this thread saying the loophole is some liberal wet dream. >the actuality is, it is the private seller loophole but dems and libs call it by the buzzword: gunshow loophole. why you may ask? because private sales happen at gun shows all the fucking time. >This message will fall on deaf ears because the "gun nuts" know i am right, and crowder just made a biased video to try and prove his point. But he left out why he only went to FFL dealers and not private sellers.
>>35974558 Actually only thirty percent of the african american population is below the poverty line.
>>35975096 >just because equal opportunity is getting rarer these days. Equal opportunity is racist though, blacks need a bonus 200 points on their SAT's. >70 years ago saying everyone deserved to be equal made you a radical >30 years ago you were progressive >today it makes you a racist
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