>>35928298 ive actually considered it, i made a craigslist post saying bicurious looking to suck first dick. i had 2 nice dicks lined up but i couldnt go through with it. i would have to live with myself being a faggot forever but i cant even get any pussy so wtf is a pleb suppose to do get 0 action or be a faggot
I've been lifting for five years now but honestly in the last two years I've really fallen out of it. I used to go to the gym three days a week every week. But I never got my diet in check. Never counted calories correctly. So my lifts were always crap and I got discouraged and just stopped going so often. Now I'm lucky if I go once every two weeks.
I don't know though. I'm considering starting a regular routine again in the hopes that maybe this time I can get the diet right. Or at least eat healthy and maybe hope for the best. This is the first time I've been on /fit/ in months.
>>35928265 >start bulking, kinda looking fat, time to cut >all my gains are gone, feeling like shit, still no abs >go back to bulking, get fat, time to cut And every once in a while I come here and get reminded how shit I am at this
>>35928816 You can at People will probably call you a closet fagtrard thou but if they do you can accuse them of having some sort of phobia(trans,genderqueer or somthing) and publicly shame them It just ocurred to me that that seems like a fun thing to do man i wich liking guys was a choice
After 4 years lifting I have a decent physique, bigger than the average person and I guess somewhat impressive to them. I'd like to get a lot bigger though but I just seem to have hit a wall and can't add any mass. I want to do maybe 1 or 2 cycles just to add another 15lbs of solid mass. I'm 20, should I wait to start a bike ride when I'm a bit older or would it be fine at my age?
This thread speaks to me as well. Been at it for years, but my lifts are about the same as for 3 years ago. I am slimmer though. I continue to lift, but mostly because I love the feeling I get after work, lifting and chores are done. And because I know the importance it has on physical and mental health. To be obsessed with diet isnt me, I eat what I want and party like I want, just keep the proteins and general calorie intake in check.
The most important thing atm for me is not to break PMs, but to try and enjoy my workouts. Its too easy to fall completely out if you dont do this, imo
>>35929809 this. I haven't broken a PR in a long time, but I'm content that I reached a 2 plate bench, 3 plate squat and 4 plate deadlift. I still try to progressively overload but it just doesn't seem to work anymore
>>35929792 Expanding on this, it's still 100% worth lifting If you really need a goal to work towards after a few years lifting, you should try powerlifting instead of muscle gains But after a few years lifting you're still really impressive to any normie and even most gym goers. Girls fucking love it too. The big plus for me is the whole host of health benefits that come with resistance training, and the fact you can eat like a fat person and still be lean and muscular Really lifting is great. Just don't expect to look like steroid users if you train for long enough, because you won't. That's the worst argument I always see on fit >Dude he's been lifting for like 10 years of course he's gonna look like that! Not how it works as a drug free lifter, I'm afraid
>>35929820 I think just one cycle, assuming I can keep the mass post cycle, will give me the edge to go from looking 'decent' to fitness model. I feel like it would be worth it, I have heard one cycle doesn't pose much risk. I don't want to be a mass monster.
>>35929820 >I personally don't think it's worth sticking needles in your ass cheeks for the rest of your life for 10 pounds extra muscle.
It's not just extra muscle. The drugs have an effect on your body that you just can't get naturally. The look of your muscle, your skin, veins, hardness,grainyness........even if you don't gain an ounce of muscle with the drugs or have equally as much LBM as a natural lifting you still will look insanely better because of the "aesthetic" effects of the drugs on the human body.
Just use a lot of fake-naturals for example. Their weight/bodyfat can be achievable natural, but they have a completely different look to their body, Photoshopped look....specific compounds do that, even if you get to their same exact stats naturally, you still will never have that "LOOK" without the drugs.
>>35929846 >I think just one cycle, assuming I can keep the mass post cycle, will give me the edge to go from looking 'decent' to fitness model. I feel like it would be worth it, I have heard one cycle doesn't pose much risk. I don't want to be a mass monster. LITERALLY nobody does one cycle dude You don't look half as good off cycle as you do on, you won't be anywhere near as hardcore in the gym, you won't feel as good as you do on cycle in general. Once you go on you cannot go back off. It's like going from riding a supercar everywhere to riding an old rusty bike every day. But if you think you can do it, good luck to you. Oh and also this brings back something I remember looking into and I'm positive steroids only have long term (5y+) effects if you've been using them for a long time as well
>not switching every few months between strength bodybuilding and athletic training outside the gym depending on stalling/weather/christmas/how you feel [and some oly, trying not to snap your shit up too much]
It's not like you're ever going to become world-class at anything having started from scratch as an adult. Be happy that just by lifting with proper form you're better than 99% of the people around you and enjoy yourself.
>>35929917 did the same after realizing what a time and money sink lifting is. And when you stop your body will adjust anyway. And I'm now an adult with adult responsibilities so there is that, going down from my prime. 100 hspu every other day while throwing in 30-40 pullups + dips at the local fitness park, that is sustainable. I miss squats though. A healthy diet can make sure you will still look better than 90+% of people.
>>35930184 This is certainly saddening. So if i ever get on gear, i'll have to keep doing it forever to maintain it? ALso, be subject to it's numerous side-effects, or are there ''worse ''/''better'' gear for people who want to reach the 70's/80's?
>>35930201 >So if i ever get on gear, i'll have to keep doing it forever to maintain it?
Yes.....if you only had to do 1 time, everyone would be doing it. The whole idea of once you start you can't stop is why most people decide not to start to begin with. Most guys who do take steroids live a "YOLO" short-sighted lifestyle anyway. Most guys who think further into the future don't do steroids.
>>35930219 Now now, no need to shit on others' goals buddy Why so elitist? Objectively, your goal is no better or worse than any other. It's just a goal. Don't forget better and worse don't exist, they're just things we come up with in our heads.
>>35930201 Dude that's bullshit. You can totally look like that natty.
I never understand the people in this thread, i'm at the 3 year mark and feel like I make gains as fast as I did when I first started lifting. Maybe not in strength desu, but it's still happening. How many of you actually track your macros? IMO the only way to make gains as a natty after a couple years lifting is to bulk aggressively and cut aggressively and to count your macros, or else yeah you will just spin your wheels. I'm afraid if I ever got an gear i'd get too big, although I might try in in a year or two, but it be a really dry stack.
>>35929846 >I think just one cycle That's what they all said in the beginning. When the body dysmorphia hits, you'll be staying up nights scrolling fitness models ig and keep comparing yourself to them and nitpicking on parts of your body that are .5% inadequate
>>35930219 The thing is, if you didn't have genes inclined towards strength, and had the innate ability to build a very impressive, lean physique instead you would be on the other side of the fence. Can you not learn to think before you speak? My genes for playing musical instruments are probably better than yours. Now I don't talk shit about strength training being a waste of time and mastering the guitar as being a real hobby, do I? >And he wonders why people give 'powerlifters' shit on the rest of the board
He's >>35930219 right though. I'm>>35930242 That's the other thing I forgot to mention, strength is a way better goal. I'm not saying only train for strength, but goals have to be short term and achievable and appearance is too hard to monitor on a daily basis so worrying about it is gonna just make you feel like nothing is happening. Focus on strength goals, but also train like a bodybuilder, youll get nice short term achievable goals that keep you motivated and youll look better before you know it.
>>35930255 This was after 2 years of lifting, I was 179 depleted here. I'm currently 192 and still have abs. After my cut I'll probably be at 185ish, so a good 6 or 7 pounds of lean muscle from the end of last summer. So yeah I think I look good
>>35930264 >If you dont understand why athletic endevours are more inspiring than "muh sixpack" and "muh delts" then this conversation is pointless. No. It's ENTIRELY subjective as to which people find more inspiring. Fitness models (no matter how dumb and full of shit they may be) have WAY bigger followings on social media etc than athletes who compete in sports. That tells us more people find 'muh sixpack' and 'muh delts' more >inspiring than athletic endeavors, does it not? Why are you guys so black and white? That is just not how things work.
>>35930285 I didn't say he couldn't get big and muscular, but he obviously tended towards focusing on powerlifting over 'aesthetics', or whatever you want to call it, for a reason. In general people do what they're best at. Do you see what I'm getting at?
>>35930295 it was empty lol. But my point stands, I feel like I've put on more in the last 2 months than I did in the 6th months before that, since I started training with a more hypertrophic focus(after hitting some long standing strength goals and then deloading).
>>35930265 >it has been said By who? Are you implying that average bodybuilder or powerlifter can kill an average fighter EASY in a fight since they are much stronger? Man you are stupid. And have a shitty taste.
>>35930312 Oh well yeah, not yet. But like I said, I'll have a good 7 more pounds of lean muscle on me when I'm that cut next. I'd wager we look very similar then. And like I said, that picture was taken after only 2.5 years lifting.
>>35930242 >tracking your macros Let me redpill you on how it's done kiddo: 1.- Track your macros for a while 2.- Find out how much protein you get from your normal diet 3.- Divide the difference in scoops 4.- Stop tracking your macros and just add those scoops+1 to your diet repeat in the future if necessary, same for micros
>>35930219 Here's what you don't understand. 99% of people aren't talented enough to be actually good at powerlifting, so why sacrifice so much effort, sacrifice looking great to just be an average powerlifter? In your case it's worth focusing with extreme specificity on powerlifting because you're actually good. Top 3 in Sweden, no? For most people it just doesn't make sense when they could be 90% as strong as they would be if they just focused on powerlifting (90% of average is still pretty average), AND look great and spend way less effort on the gym in general so they can focus on other goals? Don't be a total shitter.
>>35930313 >By who? rip >Are you implying that average bodybuilder or powerlifter can kill an average fighter EASY in a fight since they are much stronger? No, i have full confidence that an experienced fighter can take on much bigger, unexperienced opponents. However with two fighers of equal experience, the stronger bigger figher is at an obvious advantage. I think rip also meant that if something unforeseen would happen to two people, one strong and one weak, such as a car accident or whatever, the stronger would be much better off.
Do you honestly think kpop is good taste? I mean I can see why people would like it but that's like saying liking mcdonalds is good taste.
>>35930329 You don't agree that if he had incredible insertions and tendency to drop bodyfat really fast, and had the same ability to build strength as your average gym-bro, he would be focusing on how his body looks instead of strength?
>>35930331 Lol, you're joking right? but I'm reverse dieting out of a minicut? Me: get carbs up to 500 for week 1, work up to 750 after 3 weeks, keep fats low(50 grams), make up the difference from the unnecessary protein(1.5gram bodyweight) you were using during the cut. Wait till you hit homeostasis and then normalize. You: idk scoops nigga?
>>35930366 >Me: get carbs up to 500 for week 1, work up to 750 after 3 weeks, keep fats low(50 grams), make up the difference from the unnecessary protein(1.5gram bodyweight) you were using during the cut. Wait till you hit homeostasis and then normalize.
>>35930338 >rip Ok I got. Your opinion isn't valid. I didn't told you don't have to lift you idioy. I just said it shouldn't be your prime goal. Actually you have to do it to be good in practically any sport just don't be obsessed with building some extra mass and looking like those steroided models.
>Do you honestly think kpop is good taste? Kpop? No. Beautiful asian girls - yes. Well this is actually is NOT a kpop star.
>mfw bodybuilders think their mental illness constitutes a hobby lma0 you people train half as hard as any weightlifter or powerlifter, and spend the majority of your day doing meal prep and counting macros.
>man those seated dumbbell overhead presses sure look difficult. is that a bowl of rice in your gym bag???
>>35930378 Yeah I mean youre right, why would you want to overfeed with carbs over fats after reverse dieting a minicut with a significant deficit. I mean overfeeding when your body has all its fat storage genes upregulated and leptin and ghrelin levels all kinds of fucked up, along with your insulin transport system. https://www.instagram.com/p/BAU8Mp-PjkV/?taken-by=theguerillachemist
It's almost like they've done science. Note how it normalizes after a couple weeks? It's almost like nutrition is a science, jesus no wonder everyone in this thread thinks you have to use drugs to look good. You don't do shit with your nutrition.
>>35930395 All broscience/sciencefiction until proven that it applies IRL. For whatever reason (current) theory doesn't translate into reality just like that. You won't triple your test by eating onions, and most supps out there are bullshit even if in theory they should work.
>>35930294 The benchmark on /fit/ for deadlifts has been 4pl8 for as long as I can remember. That's 180kg. People can absolutely tell the difference between 3pl8 and some change and almost 7pl8. You're kidding yourself.
>>35930381 >Ok I got. Your opinion isn't valid. *tips fedora* >I didn't told you don't have to lift you idioy. I just said it shouldn't be your prime goal. Actually you have to do it to be good in practically any sport just don't be obsessed with building some extra mass and looking like those steroided models. you literally said: >wasting 3+ years of your life on lifting You're never gonna make it. how can that be interpreted as anything else that you should lift for more than 3 years unless it's for sports?
>>35930429 Further evidence: No serious athlete with serious coaching ever did this. I've worked near olympic teams and they all just stuff their faces with carbs and shakes, many even smoke and get wasted on weekends.
>>35930465 Are you in ironically suggesting that a 300kg deadlift is just as impressive as a 150kg deadlift
You could make an argument that normies don't see the difference between a 4pl8 half squat and a 4pl8 squat. I would be with you there. Or that they think a 100kg bench with no arch is just as impressive, if not more than a 120kg bench with an arch, because they don't know what they are talking about. But a deadlift is a deadlift, and people can absolutely tell the difference between 150kg and literally twice that weight.
And no, I also talk to people at my gym, and I'm telling you that nobody is going to be impressed by your 3pl8 1RM squat. Coming from somebody who squats >5pl8, people didn't start being actually impressed irl (at least to the point where they start coming up to me and saying so) until I got into the 500s.
>>35930513 Tyrone here. I don't know if it's a meme, but you browse /plg/ you must have heard that high bf% is only crucial for tall guys at one time or another. I don't know if it is a meme or not, but it checks out with what you see in the competitive scene.
>>35930514 I wish you were right dude If so I'd be one hell of a singer. I practice a ton and I suck dick I'm good at other things because of my genes though. So it's ok. Keep living in fantasy land pal
>>35930555 >According to the article, too much protein brings a lot of nitrogen into the body, which, with a healthy set of kidneys is eliminated in the form of uric acid through the urine. But as Thomas Sherman, a nutrition professor at Georgetown University quoted in the article points out, "When you start getting older or when you have some other kind of issues associated with your kidneys, you can run into a real risk of damaging your kidneys or renal failure." Other potential problems apparently include injury from over training and loss of skin elasticity due to changes in size, i.e. welcome to man-boob city. As Tom Hardy told Vulture.com last year about his bulking up for The Dark Knight Rises, "Shifting your weight fucks up your liver! You’ve got to be careful. It’s the end of that for me." So maybe it’s time to take a page from Tom Hardy’s playbook Hugh Jackman. We’re fans of you here at GQ, and we certainly don’t want to one day see Wolverine with man-breasts and a dialysis machine. Welcome to man-boob city
>>35930338 I think that depends. A huge mass bodybuilder would probably come off second person to an average person in the fight assuming the bodybuilder doesn't grab him. People with a lot of mass gas out really quickly in a fight.
>>35930577 You need to push yourself past your limits, you need to max out everytime you train but you don't want to overtrain so go to the gym only once every 2 weeks to allow for proper recovery >>35930579 I can confirm he posted it, it had collars on too, I mean who would load a barbell with collars just to post a picture, cmon
>>35930634 I still reckon a mass monster would gas out before a fatty desu. I should have clarified, a person that could beat someone with a lot of mass (assuming both don't have training in some combat sport) would be a person of average stats, i.e 5'10-6' with a medium build, not some lanky manmore or manlet
>bench 112,5 proud as fuck >genuinely believe I've left everyone around me behind >this giant dude in his 30's I had never seen bench more than 110 comes and does 150 paused Don't let those sets to 10 fool you, curlbros are hide their powerlevel
>>35929815 I know these feels anon my bench has been plateaud around 240-250 for the past 2 years and I weigh like 177, I started out a 140 lb dyel skelly who couldn't bench 1 plate tho so I look bigger than most people and like I actually lift. Fuck having lanky arms, and man is it frustrating being a natty that makes no strength gains after awhile I've tried everything.
>>35930039 indeed, it baffles me when someone posts pictures here with seemingly no progress in a few months, they are either too stupid to eat right or too stupid to lift right, either way, those are all the limiting factors if you werent born a complete genetic failure(which I know there are some guys)
This is what my first cycle was. I thought If I just got one good solid cycle to boost my gains. I thought that the increased mass with my less bodyfat would encourage me to train harder. I thought that it would be the kickstart that I needed to really have the strength/look/base I needed to take it to the next level.
Boy was I wrong.
The ONE 4 week cycle turned into an 8 week cycle. Which turned into a 12 week cycle.
Then when PCT time came around, it turned into blast n cruise for the rest of my life.
My excuse is that PCT after 2 years will wreck havoc on my gains. I don't want a 4 month PCT to be my first ever PCT.
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