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Who the fuck here ACTUALLY uses lowbar squat form? I'm convinced it's mostly a meme, but I'm sure some of you are out there. Why do you use it? What's wrong with highbar? (nothing) What are you like in real life?

It looks ugly as fuck and basically looks like your back is doing all the work. Can your legs just not handle it? Don't you do deadlifts anyway?

Not to mention, if you are squatting less than 3 or 4 pl8 with it, it looks like you are being a tryhard faggot. The only time I really even see lowbar is when I see newfags running SS for the first time doing ATG 95lb squats. It's an embarrassing sight to say the least.

Lastly, it looks unnatural as fuck when you look at the grip from behind. Wrists look like they are gonna snap, and you are blatantly ignoring the NATURAL SHELF that the traps create. Jesus, this shit is a no-brainer. Anyway, what's your opinion on this obviously crucial topic.
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>>35812039
Some people hit higher numbers with low bar than high bar, depending on bone structure. Just do what suits you.

Just don't say that you're not using your legs just because it's 1.5 inches down your back. Bitch please.
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>>35812039
>tfw when first time I hear about it, was watching some fuck teaching a chick.

Literally never heard or seen anything like it before. Shit's dangerous.
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>>35812039
how do you feel about mid bar? i put the bar on the bottom of my traps because i lift more weight than strict highbar but low bar feels way too awkward.

regardless i still hit high volume highbar squats or front squats on my "bodybuilding" days
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>>35812133
Just put it on the traps where it'll rest. That's it.
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>>35812133
Mid bar hybrid master race, Candytoe approved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu6-KiPL89c
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>>35812039
It's only purpose is to put up maximum numbers in a squat. That's literally it. It's just designed for dumb fat powerlifters
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The bar feels more stable and comfortable on my rear delts than on my traps
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>>35812142
like i said, on strength days i use my "hybrid" squat form and on high rep days i use strict highbar.

shit's cash yo, stop being such a stickler
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>>35812173
this senpai
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>>35812039
For the last fucking time, you alternate both throughout the year. Goddammit. Your ass is probably weak as fuck.
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>>35812296
this right here or use both, one style as your main form and the other as an auxiliary
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I just but the bar wear it feels comfy
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>>35812039
nice b8 m8
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>>35812183

>hybrid
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i dont powerlift but i use the low bar squat it feels more natural for me and allows me to go full atg without hurting my lower back at all.
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>>35813492

How the hell do you go ATG with low bar? I would like to see that
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>>35813152
>>35812153

what the fuck are you talking about
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>>35813541
give me like 10 minutes ill take a video and share the google drive link i have a bar in my garage
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>>35813541

Very few people can. Its a proportions and mobility thing - you need a lot of hip and ankle mobility and/or fairly advantageous torso/femur ratios to do it without issue.
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>>35812296
You'd be better off doing front squats rather than switching between two backsquat styles but if youre an advanced lifter i could see it.
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I dig low bar cuz you can lift more , personally, and its easier to activate glutes to reduce lower back pain
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>>35813541
im trying to post the video link but everytime i attatch the link i get a "this post is spam" message how do i get around this i tried adding brackets inside the link
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>>35813806
Convert it to a webm and upload it.
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>>35813806
Make a webm.
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>>35812039

I plan on competing in powerlifting, I have a 410 1rm highbar squat. Lowbar is more advantageous so I'm switching to that. Still going to front squat every so often.
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>>35813632
Can I see a webm of you doing a low bar squat, senpai?
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Low bar is for fat unathletic powerlifters who ego lift.
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>>35812039
>OP squats 135 for 5
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>>35812039
Arnold Schwarzenegger. Louie Ferrigno. Any classic body builder ever.
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>>35813868

Highbar is for twinks who lift for girls.
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>>35813806
>>35813824
>>35813827
>>35813541
Rip trying to make a webm and upload it i never made one before and it keeps saying no audio streams allowed when i try and upload idc anymore here is a screenshot from the video of my depth and when i do them compared to high bar it feels really good on my lowerback and doesnt give me a that weird soreness everytime i rack the weight when i go heavier.
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Anybody has that low vs high bar video where low bar are all rednecks and high bar Olympics competers or something like that?
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What's the difference?
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>>35813936

About two inches on the bar placement.
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>>35813919
http://youtu.be/nLVJTBZtiuw
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>>35813911
You can clearly see flexion in the lumbar

Unsafe and incorrect

>>35812039
DYEL detected. Squat with the form that lets you move the most weight safely
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>>35813894
>Klokov is a twink

Kek
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>>35813952

Probably just did the Pooptine special and went way too fuckin low.
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>>35813960

Ok, fine

>Twinks and powerbottoms
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What the fuck is up with the flood of anti powerlifting threads and posts at the moment? Did a powerlifter fist your crush or something? Or is it just that some idiot said it as a joke and now all the skellies and twinks think it's a thing?
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>>35813940
>Has natty elite athletes
>Dan Green
kekerooni
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>>35813952
lumbar flexion is a myth its not unsafe thats just an excuse for people who have bad back genetics and are intolerant to flexion in the lumbar.
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>>35813988
The whole picture is an obvious joke you autist.
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Any tips or cues to stop a low bar squat from becoming a good morning?
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>>35814079

Squat shoes

Core bracing

"Dump the bar" is a good cue. As you're going up imagine you're going to ditch the bar off your back. But don't actually.
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>>35813997
Care to back that up buddy?
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>>35814098
Core bracing would be breathing "into your stomach" and holding it in? Valsalva?
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Highbar all the way, I tried lowbar squat after seeing it on YouTube, and was puzzled as to why anyone would squat that way,
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>>35814100

He used to back it up every night at the club but he's laid up with a back injury right now.
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>>35813983
>Or is it just that some idiot said it as a joke and now all the skellies and twinks think it's a thing?
Pretty much.
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>>35813997
(You)
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>>35814100
heres a video of Candito dubunking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1f6mk1aVuA
and if you just watch any video on butt wink if not done to a extreme extent it has no negative effects besides loss of power.
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>>35814116

Yup. Chris Duffin puts it best: "imagine someone is gonna come up and punch you in the stomach. What would you do?"
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>>35814237

I'm going to try the dump the bar cue. What is your opinion on just raising your big toe?
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>>35813952
you can't clearly see shit because that's a trash photo from a trash angle, you tryhard
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>>35814256

Too spooky. I don't fuck with feet when squatting or pulling. If it works for you it works for you.

Also, probably the best way for most people to avoid the squat morning is to not go so damned low. So many people have to almost get their backs to parallel to keep the bar over midfoot when we go deeper than IPF depth, and it's hard to bring the back angle back up. Least I'm very very guilty of this.
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>>35814292
I'll investigate into the proper depth, unless you have time to guide me in that too. I appreciate the help.
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>>35813983
>Did a powerlifter fist your crush or something?
The ego on this guy
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>>35814312

Basically, if you're doing lowbar, just hit slightly below parallel. Trying to force ATG because /fit/ said so is not a good idea.
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>>35814342
I looked at some side views on Google and I think I may be guilty of this as well. I'll record myself during my next workout to see if it truly is the problem. Thanks again for the advice.
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>>35814286
The fuck are you on about?
His lumbar is clearly in flexion
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>>35814367

Sometimes it's just the hips, small Aaron.
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>>35814367
>>35814342
>>35814292
>>35814286
>>35814129
>>35814124
>>35814100

flexion occurs when your hamstrings are tight and not properly warmed up i literally went into my garage thats like 40 degrees and and squated for a quick video of course there will be a little butt wink but it really doesnt matter i have 65 pounds on the bar and butt wink only affects the power of your squat nothing else. If my back is tolerant to going that low and theres no pain then i can go that low stop being pussies and go atg
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>>35814326
>the ego on this guy
the beta from this personality.
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>>35814416
Flexion opens you up to serious risk of injury you have no idea what you're talking about.
Buttwink also has nothing to do with hamstring flexibility. It has to do with how deep your hip socket is as well as other factors like the femoral neck angle. Here's a full detail on it, x rays included: http://deansomerset.com/butt-wink-aout-hamstrings/
Stretch and stretch and stretch but there's no guarantee it will fix your buttwink.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't try though, because you should.
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High bar all day Pham

Used to do lowbar but that shit is actually retarded
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>>35814527
it does have to do with how warmed up you if you actually did the reasearch you claim to know all about then you would know that flexion occurs when you get to a certain depth in your squat and your hamstrings tighten and pull in your lower back giving the effect of buttwink to help prevent that your suppose to warm up properly and stretch so that your back can stay straighter and and give your more power in your squat. and would you please give me a source that says slight bend in the lower back can cause serious injury because i have several sources saying it doesnt
Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1f6mk1aVuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU-CANvqepQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQSjIWEhvV0
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>>35814527
althought this isnt a lowbar heres a video of me doing a atg front squat while in the gym and of course warmed up and if your claim saying i cant get rid of my buttwink is true then where is my buttwink if any after being warmed up in a gym compared to a cold squat in my garage.
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>all these dyel low bar haters
Can't you see it's the same shit? Who cares?
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>>35814714

Solid squat, m8
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>>35814625
>three youtube bloggers
>sources
>??
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>>35814714
>spotter
>squatting

just queer or stupid?
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>>35814625
>my sources are youtube videos
Jason Blaha included even lmfao
I literally gave you a FAR more in depth analysis than any of those videos, including mechanical and anatomical aspects. You gave me broscience. Candito is a good lifter but he doesn't have a buttwink problem and is basically speaking out of his ass. Ask any doctor, physical therapist, chiropractor even, etc, lumbar flexion opens you up for slipping a disc. It's really simple and basic physics. The flexion creates an uneven angle, and the compression places stress on this point. The moment you get heavy enough it will be enough force to slip a disk. Of course you're not hurting yourself at 65 lbs, you could have the worst form in the world and you'd be hard pressed to get a 65lb squat to injure yourself. Try doing 2 plate with that form you showed me and I guarantee you'll be hurting in no time.
By the way, all your videos said SLIGHT flexion is okay, which they are definitely mistaking for a NEUTRAL position, which easily looks like a "slight buttwink". What you had in your video was not neutral, it was flexion, and a fuck ton of it. You can either fix your form, or remain ignorant then hurt yourself in the future.
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>>35814753
yeah i believe this would be much more accurate because these people all lifted for most of there lives and have a higher much greater understanding of the effects of squatting then a study from some dyel saying buttwink is dangerous because they have shit form and dont know how to lift
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>>35812039
>caring this much about other dyels doing shitty lifts
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>>35814625
Just stop now before you embarrass yourself anymore & delete all your posts so we forget what an idiot you are.
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>>35814804
One of them is a disgusting fat fuck
Ones a lunatic negro with prior injuries
the other is some italian who probably has no education in it.
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>>35814787
"ill be hurting in no time" i squat heavy 3 times a week over 2 plate and from experience i notice that there is little to know butt wink when going atg if your properly warm up im not sure why you think that a working set squat would have the same amount of flexion then a cold squat in my garage. Dw though ill let you know when i slip a disk
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>>35812039

>that fucking hairstyle
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>>35814787
>doctors
>chiropractors
>knowing shit about squatting/the spine
As long as it's under control, and not too excessive, shouldn't be a problem.
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>>35814855
>squat heavy
>Over two plate

Lad... I hope you don't think that anything over 2 plate is "heavy".
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>>35814759
Not sure why he jumped in there but whatever

>>35814733
Thx bby
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>>35814873
>:
i said over 2 pl in response to anon because he said any over 2pl will cause injury actually read before you respond
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>>35814885

So. What do you consider "heavy"?
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This is my last comment about lowbar/atg/buttwink/flexion for all the anons saying im going to fuck my shit up Im sorry that i have good genetics and my lower back tolerates a little buttwink allowing my to go full atg without pain. maybe if you go atg one day youll look a little like me and im only 145 pounds and squat double my body weight atg
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>>35814873
I'm saying he's more likely to hurt himself with that form around 2 plate. 2 plate is where the weight is heavy enough that mechanics start becoming really "tight". Like when you pull on a deadlift and the weight is so light it actually comes off the floor before coming inward. At around 2 plates this stops happening.
Glad to see you missed the point though and know so little.
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>>35814921
>im only 145 pounds and squat double my body weight atg

Oh Christ
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>>35814921
Now that's what I call b8!
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>>35814921
You're mixing up flexion with a neutral spine. Neutral looks like "slight buttwink".
>>35814862
I also mentioned physical therapists. Oh, that's right, that wouldnt fit into your cherry picking would it? Go ask a NASM or ASCM certified trainer or a sports medicine doctor as well, you'll get the same answer.
>>35814855
You would actually have less flexibility in the cold. I was literally exactly like you, same mentality, I'm trying to help you here but you're being a fucking retard with a stick in his ass.
Keep at it and you will though.
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chinese oly lifters only do lowbar so it must be good
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ill let you guys know when i fuck my shit up in the mean time stay mirin
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>>35814921
Bitch I'm 150 lbs and I BENCH double my bw.
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>>35815011
Thank you hungry skelly
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>>35815022
i bet you dont look like you do
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This is now a skele thread
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>>35814858
It's a plate you fucking idiot look at the right side of the picture
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>>35815022
No you don't
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How does my low bar squat look familia?
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>>35812039
I do feel like my arms will fucking snap, I'll give you that.
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>>35815163
Pretty fucking good dude. A little fast on the descent though
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>>35815163
barely parallel, lower faggot

also the anon is right, you're a bit fast.
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>>35812039
Only people with delts will understand.

Godt back to your quarter rep highbar "squats" and leave us to our own fun.


But we all know you won't do that. No you're going to tell all about how you go ATG and rep 4-5 pl8.
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>>35815349
>>35812039
i was frustrated to no end trying to do squats, and nearly gave up because i couldnt hit parallel without toppling over backward. as soon as i found out about low bar, i almost wet myself with glee because i could finally break parallel and my back wasnt straining against the weight any more.

people are all built differently, and low bar really helps some of us.
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>>35812039
High bar atg checkin in
In my opinion lowbar just adds 10-20lb max(the opposite for me really, my posterior chain is weak) but barely comes close to utilizing the legs as much as high bar atg master race. Not to mention highbar looks normal and impressive unlike lowbar where you just look like a weirdo "training" legs
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>>35815049
I look way better than you
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1. low bar allows you to use more muscles
2. low bar is better for those who don't have the (high degree of) flexibility which high bar demands
3. high bar focuses to much on quads for my taste (i think enlarged upper legs look at best ridiculous, at worst ugly and unnatural)

sorry that someone has different goals to you OP.

that being said, I rarely squat now anyway. almost all of my leg work comes from deadlifts these days.
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>OP just started squatting
/thread
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>>35812173
Indeed
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>>35814622
holy shit this guy is literally the "bruh my 225 atg highbar squat" meme
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>>35814622
cool bait
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>>35812039
So many things wrong regarding low bar form in this post. Bait.
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>>35814702
>>35814622
>using a hood at the gym
You know you look pathetic right?
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>>35815163
What did you record this on? Is it a phone or webcam, or camcorder?
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>highbar and lowbar are both beginner memes >the bar rests where the bar rests
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>>35814416
Pretty sure hamstring only takes up tiny part in this. You should check out your ankle mobility which is the determined factor on how low you can squat with a neutral back.
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>>35815208
>>35815315

Thanks lads

>>35816232

Just put my phone on a bench.
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Fuck lowbar cucks
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>>35813541

I've been doing it for like six months or something.

Then again, my knees are starting to hurt...
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I switched to high bar because my hamstrings got too big in proportion to my quads
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>>35817663
so instead of getting a good ham workout you switched to getting shit ham workout and mediocre quad workout?

front squats + low bar master race. thats what rip tells you to do after novice phase too
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Who exclusively front squats here? Recently reached a PR of 260x1. Is this good m8s?
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>>35817699

Yeah because deadlifts aren't a thing at all.
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>>35817700

I'm alternating high bar back squats and front squats on a weekly basis.
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>>35817708
you cant deadlift heavy 3 times a week

and its not like that would compensate for front squats giving a better quad workout than high bar
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>>35812039
lowbar belted wide stance master race checking in
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just better leverage is all. I just want to squat more weight so I put the bar in a lower position. I still think mine looks pretty natural though, I try not to have a squatmorning or anything.

455x10 @ 210ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIqWGDn9m68
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>>35817727

You know you can't actually squat that, right?

Just because someone does the powerlifting versions of squats, bench and deadlifts doesn't mean they can actually squat, lift and press that amount of weight in real life.
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>>35817737
what the actual fuck?
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>>35814714
>thinking you're strong
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>>35817737
i literally did squat that
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>>35817737
>gym lifts are as valid as pl competitions
jesus fucking christ kill yourself
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I got these legs from squatting only 135 3x5 constantly. Must be top leg genetics
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>>35815163
Bit fast but I'd be more concerned about your faggot meme beard.
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>>35817737
>why do my muscles sore
>because you've never used them
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Low bar is cheating.
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>>35817812
>doorknob, ceiling

Are you in Australia or something?
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I don't even know wtf I'm doing or what the difference is
I just read the SS book and did it like Rippetoe-sama told me to.
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>>35812039
>Who the fuck here ACTUALLY uses lowbar squat form
I do.

>Why do you use it?
It's more comfortable, I'm able to squat more, my upper back doesn't round and it doesn't hurt my shoulders.

>What's wrong with highbar?
It hurts my shoulders and my upper back rounds a bit. I used to do high bar, but low bar is so much better for me that I don't want to go back.

>What are you like in real life?
Like a person. I fail to see how this is relevant in any way.

>It looks ugly as fuck
Who cares? I'm making more gains with it and don't care if people think I look silly while working my ass off.

>Can your legs just not handle it?
I can't squat as much with high bar, so why would my legs be unable to handle it?

>Don't you do deadlifts anyway?
3 times a week bb. Both conventional and sumo.

>it looks like you are being a tryhard faggot
>It's an embarrassing sight to say the least.
Once again, who cares? I'm the one making gains, not the person sitting on the bench for 5 minutes looking at me squatting.

>Lastly, it looks unnatural as fuck when you look at the grip from behind
I agree with you that that guy has a weird grip, but that's due to his thumb being over the bar and not around it.

>you are blatantly ignoring the NATURAL SHELF that the traps create.
You mean the part where the bar rests on your neck in between your traps and shoulders?
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>>35817812
Lucky nigger genetics. There's a black on my team who's 6'1" 210 10% bf from only bench press and leg press.
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>>35817865
do you even lift
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>>35817881
More than you.
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>>35817865
>I'm able to squat more

No you're not. You're cheating the weight up by using a powerlifting style of squatting that isn't applicable to actual lifting.
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>>35817865

>You mean the part where the bar rests on your neck in between your traps and shoulders?

No you moron. You're supposed to put the bar ON the traps.
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>>35817875
Im a pajeet btw
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>>35817888
sure you do
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>>35817894
>muh cheating
>assorted sour grapes
>fedora excuses
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>>35817910

DESIGNATED
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>>35813911
you could have just squatted down without weight on your back instead of this. If you want to show that you can go ATG atleast load up 3pl8 otherwise it's bullshit. Literally everybody can show off "perfect" form with such babyweight, the question is can you execute it when there is atleast some weight on the bar.
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>>35817894
How is squatting more weight cheating? I'm still hitting far below parallel even with a low bar squat.

>>35817916
Damn right I do.

>>35817903
He's talking about a "natural shelf" not the traps.
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>>35817910
poo in the loo
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>>35817910
Then I don't know what the fuck happened because the only pajeet on my team is fat but goes hard in the gym.
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>>35815315
>barely parallel

I don't get you fags, isn't that entirely the point of lowbar squatting ? I mean if you do lowbar squats the main reason is to move as much weight as possible otherwise you might aswell do highbar. So if you want to train for powerlifting there is no reason to go ATG.
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>>35812039
>Who the fuck here ACTUALLY uses lowbar squat form?

>Why do you use it?
Because the bar is more stable on my rear delts than it is on my traps, due to how I'm built.

>What's wrong with highbar?
The bar tends to roll on my traps. I often have to finish my highbar sets with a lowbar rep or place my hands in a way that strain my wrists.

>Not to mention, if you are squatting less than 3 or 4 pl8 with it, it looks like you are being a tryhard faggot

Good thing I squatted 3pl8 lowbar after 4 months of lifting and it took me a year to squat 4pl8.

>Wrists look like they are gonna snap
If you actually hold the bar while you lowbar, you're doing it wrong.
My low bar is stable enough to squat more than 3pl8 without my hands on the bar.
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>be pajeet
>have better muscle genetics than whites

I kek everytime
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>>35818092

>Be white
>Have better intestines that over one billion pajeets

I kek everytime
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>>35817737
Blaha please leave.
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Why does anyone care? I do highbar since thats what i've always done and it just feels more natural. And i do frontsquats aswell.
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>>35814527
I feel like Im on the extension side, how bad is extension? Way worse than flexion?
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>>35818629

Extension is what leads to disc herniation
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>>35818103
>he thinks he has better intestines than people who squat and shit properly

You do realize sitting on a toilet is bad for clearing your shitty colons, right?
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>>35814714
>thinking that's a real squat
>claiming it's the "same shit"
>using your hips and back to lift the weight

whatever makes you happy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLVJTBZtiuw
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>>35818640
welp, guess I'm gonna low the weight by quite a bit and focus on form.
Right now I got my butt pressing me up, against the extension, probably not the best idea
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>>35812039
I had knee problems so I was too afraid to do high bar squat as I think that it puts more strain on the knees than low bar.

Low bar works more muscle - it hits your back more as well as you hamstrings.
I am now trying to incorporate front squat into my workout so that I get more quads work (it's not like low bar doesn't hit quads, it does, and hard) and core work. It also allows you to lift more weight from what I've heard so there's that.

I so far lack proper mobility to keep my elbows perpendicular to the floor and high up at all times, though.

Would anyone know of some nice stretches for that?
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>>35818778

No it's definitely not a good idea. At first it may just feel like minor back pain and it goes away after a few hours, but suddenly you hit a weight that is too much and you over extend your lumbar spine to the point where it compresses and a disk herniates. It's a 10 on the pain scale. I'm a nurse and I work at an orthopedic ward at the hospital. Disc herniation are NOT fun.
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>>35818714
How's your 2pl8 ayteegee coming along? Squatting isn't an assistance lift like it is in weightlifting. In pl it's a competition movement. Going deeper leaves pounds on the platform.
Also
>implying Ilya doesn't squat high as fuck in training
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High bar is difficult for people with long legs and deep hip sockets.

Low bar is better anatomically for some.
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>>35817727
Mirin gym + strength
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