Who the fuck here ACTUALLY uses lowbar squat form? I'm convinced it's mostly a meme, but I'm sure some of you are out there. Why do you use it? What's wrong with highbar? (nothing) What are you like in real life?
It looks ugly as fuck and basically looks like your back is doing all the work. Can your legs just not handle it? Don't you do deadlifts anyway?
Not to mention, if you are squatting less than 3 or 4 pl8 with it, it looks like you are being a tryhard faggot. The only time I really even see lowbar is when I see newfags running SS for the first time doing ATG 95lb squats. It's an embarrassing sight to say the least.
Lastly, it looks unnatural as fuck when you look at the grip from behind. Wrists look like they are gonna snap, and you are blatantly ignoring the NATURAL SHELF that the traps create. Jesus, this shit is a no-brainer. Anyway, what's your opinion on this obviously crucial topic.
Some people hit higher numbers with low bar than high bar, depending on bone structure. Just do what suits you.
Just don't say that you're not using your legs just because it's 1.5 inches down your back. Bitch please.
how do you feel about mid bar? i put the bar on the bottom of my traps because i lift more weight than strict highbar but low bar feels way too awkward.
regardless i still hit high volume highbar squats or front squats on my "bodybuilding" days
Rip trying to make a webm and upload it i never made one before and it keeps saying no audio streams allowed when i try and upload idc anymore here is a screenshot from the video of my depth and when i do them compared to high bar it feels really good on my lowerback and doesnt give me a that weird soreness everytime i rack the weight when i go heavier.
What the fuck is up with the flood of anti powerlifting threads and posts at the moment? Did a powerlifter fist your crush or something? Or is it just that some idiot said it as a joke and now all the skellies and twinks think it's a thing?
heres a video of Candito dubunking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1f6mk1aVuA
and if you just watch any video on butt wink if not done to a extreme extent it has no negative effects besides loss of power.
Too spooky. I don't fuck with feet when squatting or pulling. If it works for you it works for you.
Also, probably the best way for most people to avoid the squat morning is to not go so damned low. So many people have to almost get their backs to parallel to keep the bar over midfoot when we go deeper than IPF depth, and it's hard to bring the back angle back up. Least I'm very very guilty of this.
I'll investigate into the proper depth, unless you have time to guide me in that too. I appreciate the help.
>Did a powerlifter fist your crush or something?
The ego on this guy
I looked at some side views on Google and I think I may be guilty of this as well. I'll record myself during my next workout to see if it truly is the problem. Thanks again for the advice.
The fuck are you on about?
His lumbar is clearly in flexion
flexion occurs when your hamstrings are tight and not properly warmed up i literally went into my garage thats like 40 degrees and and squated for a quick video of course there will be a little butt wink but it really doesnt matter i have 65 pounds on the bar and butt wink only affects the power of your squat nothing else. If my back is tolerant to going that low and theres no pain then i can go that low stop being pussies and go atg
Flexion opens you up to serious risk of injury you have no idea what you're talking about.
Buttwink also has nothing to do with hamstring flexibility. It has to do with how deep your hip socket is as well as other factors like the femoral neck angle. Here's a full detail on it, x rays included: http://deansomerset.com/butt-wink-aout-hamstrings/
Stretch and stretch and stretch but there's no guarantee it will fix your buttwink.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't try though, because you should.
High bar all day Pham
Used to do lowbar but that shit is actually retarded
it does have to do with how warmed up you if you actually did the reasearch you claim to know all about then you would know that flexion occurs when you get to a certain depth in your squat and your hamstrings tighten and pull in your lower back giving the effect of buttwink to help prevent that your suppose to warm up properly and stretch so that your back can stay straighter and and give your more power in your squat. and would you please give me a source that says slight bend in the lower back can cause serious injury because i have several sources saying it doesnt
althought this isnt a lowbar heres a video of me doing a atg front squat while in the gym and of course warmed up and if your claim saying i cant get rid of my buttwink is true then where is my buttwink if any after being warmed up in a gym compared to a cold squat in my garage.
>all these dyel low bar haters
Can't you see it's the same shit? Who cares?
>my sources are youtube videos
Jason Blaha included even lmfao
I literally gave you a FAR more in depth analysis than any of those videos, including mechanical and anatomical aspects. You gave me broscience. Candito is a good lifter but he doesn't have a buttwink problem and is basically speaking out of his ass. Ask any doctor, physical therapist, chiropractor even, etc, lumbar flexion opens you up for slipping a disc. It's really simple and basic physics. The flexion creates an uneven angle, and the compression places stress on this point. The moment you get heavy enough it will be enough force to slip a disk. Of course you're not hurting yourself at 65 lbs, you could have the worst form in the world and you'd be hard pressed to get a 65lb squat to injure yourself. Try doing 2 plate with that form you showed me and I guarantee you'll be hurting in no time.
By the way, all your videos said SLIGHT flexion is okay, which they are definitely mistaking for a NEUTRAL position, which easily looks like a "slight buttwink". What you had in your video was not neutral, it was flexion, and a fuck ton of it. You can either fix your form, or remain ignorant then hurt yourself in the future.
yeah i believe this would be much more accurate because these people all lifted for most of there lives and have a higher much greater understanding of the effects of squatting then a study from some dyel saying buttwink is dangerous because they have shit form and dont know how to lift
>caring this much about other dyels doing shitty lifts
"ill be hurting in no time" i squat heavy 3 times a week over 2 plate and from experience i notice that there is little to know butt wink when going atg if your properly warm up im not sure why you think that a working set squat would have the same amount of flexion then a cold squat in my garage. Dw though ill let you know when i slip a disk
This is my last comment about lowbar/atg/buttwink/flexion for all the anons saying im going to fuck my shit up Im sorry that i have good genetics and my lower back tolerates a little buttwink allowing my to go full atg without pain. maybe if you go atg one day youll look a little like me and im only 145 pounds and squat double my body weight atg
I'm saying he's more likely to hurt himself with that form around 2 plate. 2 plate is where the weight is heavy enough that mechanics start becoming really "tight". Like when you pull on a deadlift and the weight is so light it actually comes off the floor before coming inward. At around 2 plates this stops happening.
Glad to see you missed the point though and know so little.
You're mixing up flexion with a neutral spine. Neutral looks like "slight buttwink".
I also mentioned physical therapists. Oh, that's right, that wouldnt fit into your cherry picking would it? Go ask a NASM or ASCM certified trainer or a sports medicine doctor as well, you'll get the same answer.
You would actually have less flexibility in the cold. I was literally exactly like you, same mentality, I'm trying to help you here but you're being a fucking retard with a stick in his ass.
Keep at it and you will though.
ill let you guys know when i fuck my shit up in the mean time stay mirin
It's a plate you fucking idiot look at the right side of the picture
Only people with delts will understand.
Godt back to your quarter rep highbar "squats" and leave us to our own fun.
But we all know you won't do that. No you're going to tell all about how you go ATG and rep 4-5 pl8.
i was frustrated to no end trying to do squats, and nearly gave up because i couldnt hit parallel without toppling over backward. as soon as i found out about low bar, i almost wet myself with glee because i could finally break parallel and my back wasnt straining against the weight any more.
people are all built differently, and low bar really helps some of us.
High bar atg checkin in
In my opinion lowbar just adds 10-20lb max(the opposite for me really, my posterior chain is weak) but barely comes close to utilizing the legs as much as high bar atg master race. Not to mention highbar looks normal and impressive unlike lowbar where you just look like a weirdo "training" legs
1. low bar allows you to use more muscles
2. low bar is better for those who don't have the (high degree of) flexibility which high bar demands
3. high bar focuses to much on quads for my taste (i think enlarged upper legs look at best ridiculous, at worst ugly and unnatural)
sorry that someone has different goals to you OP.
that being said, I rarely squat now anyway. almost all of my leg work comes from deadlifts these days.
so instead of getting a good ham workout you switched to getting shit ham workout and mediocre quad workout?
front squats + low bar master race. thats what rip tells you to do after novice phase too
just better leverage is all. I just want to squat more weight so I put the bar in a lower position. I still think mine looks pretty natural though, I try not to have a squatmorning or anything.
455x10 @ 210ish
You know you can't actually squat that, right?
Just because someone does the powerlifting versions of squats, bench and deadlifts doesn't mean they can actually squat, lift and press that amount of weight in real life.
I got these legs from squatting only 135 3x5 constantly. Must be top leg genetics
>Who the fuck here ACTUALLY uses lowbar squat form
>Why do you use it?
It's more comfortable, I'm able to squat more, my upper back doesn't round and it doesn't hurt my shoulders.
>What's wrong with highbar?
It hurts my shoulders and my upper back rounds a bit. I used to do high bar, but low bar is so much better for me that I don't want to go back.
>What are you like in real life?
Like a person. I fail to see how this is relevant in any way.
>It looks ugly as fuck
Who cares? I'm making more gains with it and don't care if people think I look silly while working my ass off.
>Can your legs just not handle it?
I can't squat as much with high bar, so why would my legs be unable to handle it?
>Don't you do deadlifts anyway?
3 times a week bb. Both conventional and sumo.
>it looks like you are being a tryhard faggot
>It's an embarrassing sight to say the least.
Once again, who cares? I'm the one making gains, not the person sitting on the bench for 5 minutes looking at me squatting.
>Lastly, it looks unnatural as fuck when you look at the grip from behind
I agree with you that that guy has a weird grip, but that's due to his thumb being over the bar and not around it.
>you are blatantly ignoring the NATURAL SHELF that the traps create.
You mean the part where the bar rests on your neck in between your traps and shoulders?
you could have just squatted down without weight on your back instead of this. If you want to show that you can go ATG atleast load up 3pl8 otherwise it's bullshit. Literally everybody can show off "perfect" form with such babyweight, the question is can you execute it when there is atleast some weight on the bar.
How is squatting more weight cheating? I'm still hitting far below parallel even with a low bar squat.
Damn right I do.
He's talking about a "natural shelf" not the traps.
I don't get you fags, isn't that entirely the point of lowbar squatting ? I mean if you do lowbar squats the main reason is to move as much weight as possible otherwise you might aswell do highbar. So if you want to train for powerlifting there is no reason to go ATG.
>Who the fuck here ACTUALLY uses lowbar squat form?
>Why do you use it?
Because the bar is more stable on my rear delts than it is on my traps, due to how I'm built.
>What's wrong with highbar?
The bar tends to roll on my traps. I often have to finish my highbar sets with a lowbar rep or place my hands in a way that strain my wrists.
>Not to mention, if you are squatting less than 3 or 4 pl8 with it, it looks like you are being a tryhard faggot
Good thing I squatted 3pl8 lowbar after 4 months of lifting and it took me a year to squat 4pl8.
>Wrists look like they are gonna snap
If you actually hold the bar while you lowbar, you're doing it wrong.
My low bar is stable enough to squat more than 3pl8 without my hands on the bar.
>have better muscle genetics than whites
I kek everytime
I had knee problems so I was too afraid to do high bar squat as I think that it puts more strain on the knees than low bar.
Low bar works more muscle - it hits your back more as well as you hamstrings.
I am now trying to incorporate front squat into my workout so that I get more quads work (it's not like low bar doesn't hit quads, it does, and hard) and core work. It also allows you to lift more weight from what I've heard so there's that.
I so far lack proper mobility to keep my elbows perpendicular to the floor and high up at all times, though.
Would anyone know of some nice stretches for that?
No it's definitely not a good idea. At first it may just feel like minor back pain and it goes away after a few hours, but suddenly you hit a weight that is too much and you over extend your lumbar spine to the point where it compresses and a disk herniates. It's a 10 on the pain scale. I'm a nurse and I work at an orthopedic ward at the hospital. Disc herniation are NOT fun.
How's your 2pl8 ayteegee coming along? Squatting isn't an assistance lift like it is in weightlifting. In pl it's a competition movement. Going deeper leaves pounds on the platform.
>implying Ilya doesn't squat high as fuck in training