Natty or not? I know you can tell it just by the look.

I will say natty, but it sucks he is balding.

>>35805867

not natty

>>35805867

100% sure not natty.

If his bf% was a little higher I'd say it'd be possible with years of training, tan, and good genetics.

How tall is he?

>>35805867this is what athletic fitness competators look like!! no prob attaining this shape without drug use.

>>35805867
yes, without the pump or good lighting he will look like a regular fit normie

>>35806040
>If his bf% was a little higher

?

>>35806874
Having that much mass while having that low of a body fat percentage is a good indicator of roids.

>>35806909
Please explain why exactly.

>>35806909
I don't see how fat percentage is an indication of steroid usage

>>35806909
>implying that guy is unnaturally huge and lean

that's a lean natty with a pump.

>>35806936
>>35806934
Are you guys serious? Jesus christ you have a lot to learn. Your body can only hold onto so much lbm and having a higher amount of fat increases the amount of lbm your body can hold onto, which is why powerlifters are so fat. Roids don't change this fact but they do increase the amount of lbm you can have at any given time, thus the muscle monsters that are still lean who are obviously on gear.
Lurk more.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GMTMAPw3ajs

>>35807003
Also this being said, that body is achievable natty. Can't tell you if the guy actually roided for it though.

>>35807003
There's nothing in the fat mass that protects the muscle mass, son.

>which is why powerlifters are so fat.

It's not. Powerlifters aren't massive because they so muscular.

>>35807003
This this this

>>35807010
Can you tell how that is related?

>>35807030
Sup permabulker

/fit/ logic:
>person looks better than me = roids
>person looks worse than me = natty

So in this case: roids

>bulging, vascular delts + stretch marks
hurr, yes totes natty

>>35807003
Start explaining already:

How does the fat mass support your muscle mass exactly? What's the biology behind this?

>>35805867
Is he natty? can never tell

Is that body achievable natty? Yes

I have a similar body with better conditioning and it looks like this when I have a pump, never roided, have been lifting for about 20 years on and off, I'm in my thirties

>>35807359
brah post pic? for inspiration

>>35807359
I am also grand duke of manlets at 5'7

>>35807371
At work, if thread is still alive will post when I get back

>>35807221
He's talking out of his ass

>>35807583
Not the first time hearing that and can't be the same memer

>>35807221

to get lean you need to be on a deficit, to maintain mass you need a lot of calories, im sure you can do the math

more lean = less calories for muscles

>>35809503
>to get lean you need to be on a deficit,
Yes.
>to maintain mass you need a lot of calories,
No, just protein should be pretty high
>im sure you can do the math
Done and confirmed for broscience.

>>35807221
>>35807583
I'm not that other guy, but research FFMI, the Fat-Free Mass Index. I'm not a biologist but my basic understanding is that as you get leaner your hormone profile changes allowing you to retain less LBM vs. someone at a higher bodyfat %. Jason Blaha has said a ton of bullshit during his career, but his video on spotting a fake natty is very good. 99% chance OP's pic is juiced. If you think that is what a natural adult man looks like, you have very warped perceptions.

>>35807027
Do u even

>>35807117
>stretch marks
yeah right, so must have been roiding all this time without noticing

>>35809696
*so I must

>>35809614
>as you get leaner your hormone profile changes

Yes, lower body fat means more free testosterone. That supports muscle mass.

Blaha's memes are incredible, aren't they?

COME ON FAKE NATTY EXPERTS

>>35809614
What can you about this: >>35809762

Something?

>>35805867
Natty. He's got a pump, a tan, good lighting and he's flexing. Also notice how he put his arms so his delts would look bigger. It's like you guys don't even know how to take a swolfie

>>35810193
Then why is /fit/ full of people who say everyone is on gear?

>>35810264
Most of /fit/ is full of fatties and lanklets who have been lifting for a year and made shit progress so this is what they do to feel better

I cant tell if he's natty or not (easily could be natty)
but HOLY FUCK this thread
>and where do you base that claim that you cant have high muscle mass and low bf%

Just fucking compare natural bodybuilding competitor (nearly not all of em even natty) When they are off season and on a stage with a pump and a tan and lighting,
Notice how they look kinda flat and small. What could that be? It's almost like human body isnt meant to be that lean. hmmmmmmm

>>35810306
Pretty sure that there are permabulkers and natural born dyels lurking here as well... Getting a great physique is not easy.

>>35810367
You are one retarded if you think natural bodybuilders are not extremely lean (=sub 6bf%) AND extremely dehydrated at the same time on stage.

Do you homework, and don't be an idiot.

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>>35805867

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>>35810632
>natural bodybuilders are not extremely lean (=sub 6bf%)
>natural bodybuilders
>(=sub 6bf%)

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>>35810632
>natural
>sub 6bf% ever
maybe if they have some medical condition that causes loss of bodyfat

>>35807041
Are you retarded?

>yes

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said he did this in 2.5 years. Natty?

>>35810868
yes you fucking retard

>>35810868
No, sumo is not natural.

>>35810868
Kek
That's totally achievable natty

>>35810868
Not natty. Please pay more attention..

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>>35811016

>bait
>DYELfag

Pic one. Or don't. No one cares.

>>35807003
What is a cut?

>>35805867
If natty: god-tier genetics so irrelevant anyway.
If geared: ain't shit.
Lose/lose.

>>35805867
Even though OP and probably some others will just be baiting, it is astonishing how there are people who would actually say natty.

>>35807359
bullshit unless post

>>35810868
bait? why do dyel's on fit think everyone who looks decent is roiding?

>>35805867
natty

+5 years lifting

>>35813961
>that guy
>look decent

>>35810868
he eats butt, of course hes natty

>>35805867
Probably not

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>>35806040
>shoulder-pad delts
>possible with years of training natty
yeah, and scoobs & coleman are totes natty too

>>35807221
>How does the fat mass support your muscle mass exactly? What's the biology behind this?
It doesn't.

However, calories are anabolic, so a natty is going to be capable of supporting the most LBM while they are consuming a calorie excess.

Ergo, for a natty Big & Lean are naturally diametric, as to be the biggest they can be they must consume an excess of calories, while to be lean they must consume a deficit.

You guys obviously never seen any inmates.
This is natural. And a normal build for people in prison.
U think they get roids?
BTW, this is small for prison

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>>35810193
>>35810264
You stupid cuck faggot ARE aware that Dat Dare Celltech is the second most common illicit drug after pot, right?

/fit/ thinks everyone is juicing because EVERYONE IS JUICING

pic related: what a lifetime of natty lifting actually achieves

>>35814393
>U think they get roids?
Yes.

Orals are omnipresent in prisons

>>35805867
I've only been here for a few weeks now and still it's obvious as fuck that this guy is on some sort of drug

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>>35807221
>>35806936
>>35806934
>>35807027
>>35811307
Kek, you newfags are going to be so disappointed when you finally realize everyone you mire on tv and the internet is not natty. Hate to spoil the surprise for you but you can't be both big and ripped as a natty, it ain't happening. If you're, say, 6'0 the best you can hope for is being either 200 lbs 12-14% bf, OR 175 lbs, 6-8%. You're never gonna be 200 lbs and 6% as a natty.

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>>35814393
>U think they get roids?

Is this a real question, you mongoloid?

>>35806115
no it's not look at olympic swimmers and shit, none are as ripped as this guy

>>35815498
>swimmers

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I've been lifting twice a week for two months, I even counted calories for a whole week once. And I don't look like that!

Conclusion: not natty.

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>>35814183
>that guy
>look decent

>>35815487
Ok, post your lifting years and your best condition please.

>>35814380
All about muscle catabolism without useless calorie theories, bro.

It's funny how people judge natty status based on their own results and shit genetics. This is definitely possible without drugs. He's pretty lean, but not overly so and he's not that big. Great leg genetics. The vascularity is most likely post-workout. I'm not saying he is natty. Even a fat dyel could be taking something. I'm just saying he could be. I'd even wager his FFMI is in the low 24s.

>>35805867

does everyone here realize that the dude in OP's pic has perfect lighting, great genetics, a super tan and a pump going on?

Sure he might be on gear, but its in no way super obvious like the majority of you guys seem to think, stop being so close minded.

>>35817604
No, it's the gear, always.

>>35817756

of course it is, how silly of me.

>>35817544
>It's funny how people judge natty status based on their own results and shit genetics.

Yes.

"I've been lifting for like 8 years and still look like shit, how could that guy be natty lol"

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>>35807221
>How does the fat mass support your muscle mass exactly? What's the biology behind this?

It's not that fat mass necessarily "supports" muscle mass, but that the amount of fat-free mass (muscle mass) that can be held decreases as body fat levels decrease, due to a shift in hormonal profile at lower levels of body fat. For a natty, this becomes more prevalent at under 10%, around 7 - 8%. That's another huge benefit of anabolics, guys can at least retain -- if not add, to boot -- muscle mass at low body fat levels pre-contest.

>>35809614
>I'm not a biologist but my basic understanding is that as you get leaner your hormone profile changes allowing you to retain less LBM vs. someone at a higher bodyfat %.

Bingo.

Long story short:

>big
>lean
>natty

Pick two.

>>35819265
>big
>lean
>natty
>Pick two.

AND again:
Why is that? You can get lean with the maintaining the muscle mass you've naturally built.

>>35819265
Fatter = Less free test

Please educate yourself, newfriends.

>>35805867
natty who went on a good cut
his size isn't crazy
yes he's lean but hes not lean enough or big enough to say hes juicing

also he looks pretty damn short and probably has a pump + good lighting blah blah blah

too many fucking DYELs on this board though holy shit

>>35819378
AND are you fucking retarded? Pick TWO Simple Simon... there is only so much muscle mass you can maintain if you're natty once you get to certai bodyfat percentages. No one is saying you can't have muscles while lean and natty.

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>>35814393
Most inmates have good genetics.

>>35819440
He is just too big and not just because he's lean at the same time.

Do you have some logical problems with thinking?

>>35819378
>Why is that? You can get lean with the maintaining the muscle mass you've naturally built.

Re-read my post:

>the amount of fat-free mass (muscle mass) that can be held decreases as body fat levels decrease, due to a shift in hormonal profile at lower levels of body fat.

Also, the amount of muscle mass that a natty can build is far less than the amount that a guy on gear can build. A natty who is gifted with a large frame, robust bone structure, high hormone levels, etc., may be able to carry 30 - 40 lbs of more muscle on his frame, whereas pro-bodybuilders can carry over 250 lb. of lean-body mass at 5'9" - 5'10".

>>35819424
>Fatter = Less free test

>Please educate yourself, newfriends.

How about you expand upon that process, using your background in biochemistry and cell biology. I still don't understand.

>>35814438
A life time of natty lifting and lots of cocain..

>>35810753
Keyword doping
You know, not steroids?

>>35820895
>the amount of muscle mass that a natty can build is far less than the amount that a guy on gear can build

Yes, but again:
Has nothing to do with bf%.