Thinking of taking up a form of self defense/fighting style.
What does /fit/ think is
1) most practical
2) most effective
3) best for the bod
1) A combination of styles
2) A combination of styles
3) Muay Thai
Muay Thai best striking art, Kyokushin/Shotokan Karate are good too if you can't do MT.
For grappling, pick one of BJJ or Judo and also do wrestling (eg. Muay Thai, BJJ and Wrestling)
Most practical, most effective is probably boxing.
The normal person doesn't know shit about fighting, mostly because they quickly lose control.
Also Krav Maga is the crossfit equivalent of martial arts
civilian krav sucks, the krav you learn as civilians has little resemblance to the actual israeli special forces krav.
If you spar when doing krav it can be good, if they tell you its 2deadly for sparring it probably sucks and/or the instructors aren't skilled enough to apply it without seriously harming people. You won't beat a competing mma fighter but that's not really the point of Krav Maga anyway.
>learning to fight
i'd love to fucking see any "trained professional" fighter fuck with me and get a crowbar to the back of the head, a bullet between their teeth or something else
I'm fucked up man, you do NOT want to mess with me and everyone can tell, so no one messes with me
but one day, one of you faggots will probably try to fight me, maybe its in the gym, maybe the street, maybe a bar.
just know I'll be ready and you will -not- know what hit you
I started kudo/daido-juku this week. It's pretty great. Throws, striking, elbows, headbutts, ground work, using the opponent's clothing against them (similar to judo kuzushi but the "grab" is delivered as a palm strike).
Basically OP, pick one from the following sets
Boxing/muay thai + bjj/judo/wrestling
Avoid anything chink or gook and anything that sells itself as "military" and you're pretty good. There's some other cool stuff like sambo but it's hard to find so rarely worth bringing up
Turkish oil wrestling
Turkish oil wrestling
>best for the bod
Turkish oil wrestling
Back then as a kid I used to do judo/sambo, it is pretty useful and complimentary to lifting.
>lift other people in various fashions
>learn to handle the pain of being strangled, getting your limbs broken, getting smashed down on the floor
>great training for becoming a proffessional rapist, nobody can escape your grip
>learn how to use gravity against you opponents in such a way that they can not get up afterwards, after just one throw
If you are huge there is really no reason to not pick up judo or sambo, you are going to straight out bulldoze anyone who gets in your way.
Wrestling and Boxing. Anything else can be achieved by this combination. Kicks should never be used in a real fight except for certain really rare situations as you are absolutely fucked if you injure your leg which is very easy in a fight.
Generally box until you make sure your opponent does not have a stabbing instrument and then wrestle the fuck out of him.
Source: Third world citizen
Kicks are great in fights, but only frontal to the chest or abdomen as well as side straight kicks. Only a master should be able to pull off kicking someone in the head.
As far as boxing goes, I boxed for 3 years, and I will never throw a punch in a fight unless I have to. I'll stick with elbows if I'm going to be using my arms, and not break my hands.
Knees are great if you have the momentum and skill to grapple your opponent after closing the distance.
In all reality if I'm fighting someone, I'll be going under them with a single leg takedown then after slamming them to the ground I'll pretzel em.
Former D1 wrestler and international wrestler (freestyle)
It's literally a combination of all the most deadly and practical kungfu and shuaijiao moves that were often used in the Chinese military.
If you ever look up a video on youtube of military sanda/sanshou then you can see how fast and practical the throws and grappling are.
But since it's military the CCP probably keeps it TOP SEKRET
If you're doing it right you don't need much strength. Forcing a throw only really comes up in competition when both participants are prepared for judo tactics.
I'm 76kg and a dude 110kg felt like fucking nothing when I landed a clean ogoshi.
Judo is based off of using your opponents momentum right? Or using their center of gravity in conjunction with your own to move them in a desired way.
What type of ground game is employed in Judo? I'm literally just curious, not baiting.
All of the above. Probably the single most important technique in judo is kuzushi (breaking balance). This can be done through pulling/pushing or setting up the opponent into moving in the desired direction. It's chess as fuck.
You'll see in the second throw how he gets his opponent moving backwards before going for the throw.
Literally the same as bjj but without the memes. It's also (in my limited experience) far more aggressive due to the time constraints. The two issues with judo ground work are a) due to the meta the majority of judo places don't train it nearly enough and b) even the places that do a lot of ground work rarely do any leg based locks as they're outright banned.
Did Tae Kwon Do, Krav Maga (with an actual ex IDF instructor) and Judo, so:
1) most practical
2) most effective
3) best for the bod
Tae Kwon Do to 2nd Kup - it was basically nothing but doing forms and no contact sparring. Exhausting but not useful.
>leanring to suck cock
i'd love to fucking see any "trained professional" dick sucker fuck with me and get a load to the back of the head, my cock between their teeth or something else.
Im gay man, everyone can tell, so no one tries to challenge me to a dick sucking competition.
But one day, one of you straighties will probably try to out suck me, maybe its in the gym, maybe the street, maybe a bar.
Just know that I'll be ready and you will -not- know who came on you.
Looks like dancing. My wrestling coach taught me based off of the concept that wrestling is like dancing. You have to get your opponent to dance with you, and when you do, you control the match.
I saw a lot of moves there that I've seen in wrestling. All very solid and if done in a fight will give you the advantageous position.
Sadly I have not given Judo a go yet. I've only played with boxing, jiujutsu, muay thai and of course wrestling for ten years.
If you've done wrestling and bjj you'll have no problem. There's a pretty big cross over in all grappling styles. Particularly in judo and wrestling since a few techniques kano straight stole from a wrestling manual he picked up in europe.
I will use my Infinite Knowledge and Wisdom...I have practiced the art of Katana Kung Fu and committed to intense Mental Meditation through the way of life and philosophy of Atheism and rejection of vices such as going to nightclubs and pre-marital sex...I will destroy you with this lethal combination of innate power and Strength.
college-run stuff can be good for beginners but you want to learn from people who are serious, and those people are going to real boxing gyms, not just doing boxing because its there.
A combination that suits your style
What you've learnt to do good with
>Best for the bod
boxing, muay thai
I played around with boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, silat and kali
Each martial art has certain perks and each has its retarded points, find what sort of style you like and learn it and its cousins.
Bruce was right about one thing at least, absorb what is useful and reject what is uselss
honestly you martial art fags aren't any less edgier or pathetic than he is, even though he's being sarcastic while you're not
>I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times
you fucking fags prolly masturbate at these 'motivation pics' every time you wake up while fantasizing about beating up other people cause in reality you're all pathetic fucks who are just desperate to try to prove their manliness
Motivation pics are cringe in general.
>le spartan warrior overcoming le challenge to echo in le eternity.
You're a guy who lifts heavy things 3 times a week in a clean gym, calm down.
yeah i've always thought that. then i imagine some 16 year old kid in the gym on january 1st, fists clenched, going to prove his honour and his worth to himself and his ancestors...by lifting weights for 45 minutes then going home to play video games.
I mean, I suppose I shouldn't knock people if it actually helps them to get fit. We just need to be more realistic, we want to look better and feel better. There is no need for this warrior shite.
isn't a suit of bullet proof armor more practical for self defense?
I mean a gun is more like offense
and requires more steps to get off an effective shot than just doing your thing with a suit of armor on.
None. A few claims to (krab magoo and shitkido particularly) but they can't handle one untrained opponent from the outset.
Striking is your best bet though. In 90% of cases getting gang banged is entirely self-inflicted though.
Hey /fit/ what do you think of wing chun?
I just discovered a dojo (once a week training) 5 mins from me.
Is it possible to be too "big" for wing chun?
I'm pretty fast but heavy (80 kg 176cm 5-7% fat)
Would this be a disadvantage?
Also what (fighting)sport would you advice someone with very heavy legs (35+ cm diameter calves and 50 cm diameter upper legs at widest point, considering they are muscular though)
That wasn't actually real, was a tv ad thing if my memory serves correctly
It's not so much his skills, its what he said and did, he pioneered mma and broke the rigitity of martial arts by taking what worked and throwing away what didn't (which may be tradition to some)
>do Muay Thai for a year
>add in a grappling sport for another year, doing both.
>drop both (or don't if you have a ton of time)
>pick up an Asian style, personally would recommend a Kung fu style you like or aikido or a mix of what ever.
>add eskrima classes irregularly or how ever often you want to become the weaboo anime sword fag you always wanted to be
You could become a .01% percentile fighter in 4 years with a few classes a week and it perfectly compliments the /fit/ lifestyle
>tfw massive social and confidence gains from becoming karate kid
>tfw can literally shrek all 4 of my best friends in wrestling at the same time
>tfw the better you get at fighting the more you realize your only at a fraction of your portential and fighting is the best real world rpg of all time
>tfw all my sons are gonna be warriors cause I'm gonna teach them all at an early age
Do fighting bro, it makes your life so much better on so many levels
>he pioneered mma and broke the rigitity of martial arts by taking what worked and throwing away what didn'
Except that had been done literally hundreds if not thousands of times before he was born. If you want to look at an actual martial arts pioneer then look into jigoro kano, the founder of judo.
Learn to box, simple to pick up, yet as you become more technical, faster, fitter, more explosive and powerful you can become an absolute weapon, and fit as fuck.
Learn to grapple too though at some stage.
Anything with sparring, it doesn't really matter. Any of them are effective because with fighting conditioning you should be able to outrun anyone. Learning some parkour is recommended for the ideal fighting style.
do you live in russia or something?
i heard of the new \ tournament rule that they tried out in 2008 or whatnot.
but at my dojo, during kumite, people still apologize when they accidentally hit the face. it's kinda funny cause nasty uppercuts to solar plex are no prob
why do some of you think boxing would be more practical than jiu jitsu? I mean i do neither, but imo anyone can throw a few punches around, but if someone who knows jiu jitsu grabs you and throws you to the ground, then you're in foreign land
also i'd have my face punched before having my arm broken any day
Lived in ausfailia. I went to a class run by john taylor (9th dan under mas oyama) and they had head punches with light gloves and headgear.
Now live in japan and one of my co-workers said when he did kyo they did head punches.
A few reasons:
1) defending haymakers until a bouncer rolls up is better legally and for safety
2) bjj throws are fucking abysmal fom a judo perspective. I'm sure wrestlers would agree. I went to what a friend at a state championship and I saw one clean takedown. Everything else was guard jumping or dudes throwing themself.
3) DLTDs on hard surfaces are a bad idea as either renzo or ryan gracie demonstrated when he shattered his knee cap doing one in a fight in vegas. Are you better than renzo/ryan gracie?
4) getting tangled up on the ground is a bad idea in a crowded situation. I'm not going to say 30 niggers are going to jump on your head and I'm going to assume the idea is to get off the ground as fast as possible but you can still get caught up all the same.
The most practical is a striking art with a little grappling like Muay Thai or a good MMA. I do the former. I don't enjoy it but I know if it comes to it I'll be glad of it. It's practical and it's very effective.
Boxing is top notch too but the former edges it out only because it's important to know how to defend against knees and kick and boxers sometimes don't.
If you're like to get in a fight I'd recommend these. Are they good for the body... well it's a lot of cardio and your gonna take injuries. Muay Thai especially does my legs all sorts of misery.
That said for an all round hobby and past time to both improve your body and mind I unequivocally recommend wrestling.
I love wrestling. 10 minutes of wrestling can be as much cardio as a 5k run and the things you learn and apply in wrestling not only help you in fights but also when you have to control people gently like old folk or girls and kids. Also the value of submissions can't be overestimated.
That said you can be the best wrestler in the world and doesn't matter if you get knocked out by the first punch.
>literally kyokushin with head punches
>a waste of time
>kyokushin with throwing, head punches submissions, elbows and headbutts
>a waste of time
>literally the reason kyokushin has low kicks
>a waste of time
You should probably actually try fighting instead of regurgitating shit other dudes who've never trained say
>he hasn't heard of shinken shobu
>he thinks kyokushin doesn't have elbows
>he thinks pussy muay thai kicks are better than kyokushin kicks
You're literally exactly what you called me. An unexperienced loser that doesn't know what he's talking about.
I'm thinking of picking up Judo some time this year. I have no experience with fighting sports but I figured it would be easier for me to find good training for it considering it's the 4th most popular sport in my country by registered practitioners.
I'm not doing it for le ebin bar warrior, it just seemed fun and balanced. Is there something I should know ? I tried looking in /asp/ but it looks like it's been overrun... I'm just not sure it's really reasonable to try to be serious at both swimming, judo, studies, lifting, there just aren't that many days in a week man.
Honestly? no joke?
it's cultural appropriation
It's like the people who train 2x a week for a half hour talking about how they could beat professional fighters
I don't get motivational threads at all, tbch. if a picture could make you start working out, could a picture make you stop working out? are you so weak willed?
Surprisingly, many pro wrestling moves are actually deadly, when you're being trained you learn how to safely use and take them. But if you do it right you can do some sick things.
Check out a lariat: