I understand the physiological effects of test and am fine with them. Most can be controlled anyway. What I'm not fine with is injecting mysterious liquids into myself that may or may not be what I think they are.
>>35778830 >>35778829 >>35778838 some fucking pussies breh. yu guys mean to tell me you dont want to see what your body is capable of at it's at peak (25 - 35) aesthetics wise? i feel so sorry for you niggas
>>35778840 lift for a couple years, enter in some local bobdybuilding show, dont win and wait a while after the show. talk to some of the contests about how to "increase your chances of winning next year". they'll get the hint
>>35778787 >>35778830 Make it yourself >>35778829 I get that. Some idiots there >>35778846 I want to look like some people that roid I want to lift weights heavier than I can natty. Makes me feel good so I do it, you are free to do you >>35778875 You have different goals and that's fine, you do you mate. Balls are pretty much the same as before a little softer but the same size
>>35778898 Not hard to get a reliable high quality source >>35778908 This is a valid concern but there is prescription medicine that you can get easily for that >>35778930 That's just like your opinion man
>>35778955 Steroids don't come up in those employment drug tests. If you are in the military different tests but no military doctors never order the tests to confirm steroid use >>35778952 You will only die early if you are stupid. But I respect that your goal body is achievable natty >>35778958 Acne medicine fixed that for me a couple of years ago. Doesn't change dick size. >>35778974 I get that scary at first
I don't use, I'm just a fatass who hang out because you guys are the best board around here. But I totally endorse using any means necessary to look good young. You'll never look or feel better than 18-22, make the most of it. And for guys, that means using gear. I so wish I had.
I don't roid because I have a family history of heart issues, I'm a big guy at 6'6 250 already, so my heart doesn't need the strain.
But most of all, I just don't think getting huge is going to get me what I want in life. I don't want to be huge.
This is video game console wars all over again. Why are roiders trying to convince people to join them? People have different goals. Honestly you just look insecure about your own (potentially) harmful choices, like if you can convince others it's like you've made all the right choices.
>>35779096 I've heard it works pretty well, but it can break your dick while your on it so what's the point. I'm not roiding cause hair loss also. figure I'll lose it by my mid thirties then just roid then and pick up some milfs
>>35779087 No trolling. No b8. Be beautiful while you can. Whatever that takes, just do it. I don't know about serious lifting, but i know a lot about biology. You're all downhill after ~25, so be awesome before that.
I'm gonna assume you're not trolling since you seem sincere. Nobody respects anyone under 25 or their opinion because we're all retarded fucks when we're kids. They don't even let you vote until you're 18.
Sacrificing my later years, or how I'll look in those later years for a fleeting chance at holding onto something vain is childish. You're going to get old, and men have the unique edge of looking better as they age, in most cases. You're going to blow money and time getting huge at 25, then look like an old catcher's mitt when you're 40. What if you meet the woman of your dreams at 40 but you look like shit?
Most of your life will be after 25, senpai. I plan to enjoy those years.
it's about you making life YOUR bitch. you making all of the people around you guys and girls YOUR bitches. you can try to deny it all you want but social validation soars one's ego and confidence. you'll be pretty much moving mountains and feel like you are unstoppable.
it sucks that you boys are trying to convince yourselves out of talking the most of life. your saving grace is fucking hair. come the fuck on you pussies.
>>35778766 >Australian, so shit's tough to get, and if you can get it, it's probably expensive and shit quality >I'm broke as a motherfucker >Relative beginner, so no real point >Wanna get into the army reserves in my country, and they'll be pissed if I have sterons in my system, or I'll at least lose all my roid gainz in basic
Even health concerns aside, why should I? I'm not training for competitions or whatever, so strength is hardly relevant, as far as aesthetics go I don't want to be xbox hueg hulk, decent otter mode with low bf is more than enough
>>35778868 >>>35778840 >lift for a couple years, enter in some local bobdybuilding show, dont win and wait a while after the show. talk to some of the contests about how to "increase your chances of winning next year". they'll get the hint
>>35779152 Okay man I mean it sounds trite and fucking stupid before I even say it, but shouldn't you be happy with who you are without even RISKING side effects? Who are you impressing? We've established that you don't need muscles to get girls, so I dunno what your "social validation" is about. You'd get more of that being a comedian or just having money or something.
Roiding and lifting is masturbation. Nothing wrong with that, but stop telling us or yourself that it's "being the best you, you can be". It's just you with muscles, bro. There are no more bears to fight. Our generation's war is a social one.
There is no life after 25. I am being sincere here, I promise. I'm old so I'm telling anyone young: Life past 25 doesn't matter. You'll still get no respect from anyone, that never changes.
All that happens as you age is lose the things that matter to you. And replace them with numb complacency. You don't look in the mirror and see that cut physique; you see a pasty guy with a fat gut. You don't have a hot gf/bf that makes you happy anymore. You've got a ball-and-chain that you're too scared to leave. You don't get up and feel ready for the day. You creak and groan and struggle to slog through. It's shit, so please don't miss on the good years. I promise you don't know hurt until you see what could have been.
>>35779220 I'm already older than 25, senpai. You might be older than me, but if you're not happy, it sounds like your fault. And I don't think looking back on the past and saying, "if only I had done X, I surely would have known happiness in my life" has any point.
>>35779169 realistically speaking here, that is impossible for the majority of us here. all of us have a bunch of demons in our closet that are holding us the fuck down and can easily drag us back into that damn closet at the drop of a dime so yeah iu should strive to be happy without roids but come on. be real.
it's not about just getting girls. it's about respect, admiration. you are going to get some sort of looks when you are juicing. someone is going to get either pisssed off, in their feelings, or want to fuck. if you can bring out that emotion of people just by being there? you fucking won. fuck everyhting else. that's what i mean by social validation.
and there aint no rules in this game, baby. dont matter what kind of war it is, the top dog will always stay at the top.
>>35779240 I'll agree with you on that. Being huge probably sounds appealing to someone who hasn't had to deal with being larger than everyone else by default. I said before, I'm a Big Guy, so catching glances and double takes from stranger was an inconvenience to me, not something aspirational.
But that doesn't make you wrong, if you like getting looks like that, then fuck yeah man, you've earned it with your time in the iron, fucking love that shit. That's inspirational. Just understand that we all have different goals in life, and roids just don't seem like the way to mine.
>>35779240 When I look at somebody totally huge and ripped, I'm more likely to think, "damn, good for them, they've worked really hard!" but I think that way about someone who can paint, or play guitar really well.
What I'm saying is, I hope you're lifting because you like lifting, not as a means to an end. You can be admirable for doing something you love. Girls want to fuck and guys want to be based on talent and skill, not just on beefcakes.
The tree that never had to fight For sun and sky and air and light, But stood out in the open plain And always got its share of rain, Never became a forest king But lived and died a scrubby thing. The man who never had to toil To gain and farm his patch of soil, Who never had to win his share Of sun and sky and light and air, Never became a manly man But lived and died as he began. Good timber does not grow with ease: The stronger wind, the stronger trees; The further sky, the greater length; The more the storm, the more the strength. By sun and cold, by rain and snow, In trees and men good timbers grow. Where thickest lies the forest growth, We find the patriarchs of both. And they hold counsel with the stars Whose broken branches show the scars Of many winds and much of strife. This is the common law of life.
Injecting test doesn't automatically make you the hulk. There are steroids that help you lean out and shred too. It sounds like you're okay with a mediocre physique, which is cool, but don't confuse light steroid use with stacking multiple compounds for bulking.
>>35779262 You really can be admirable for doing something you love, but you have to show it somehow. Showing a good body is easier than showing your mad skills with a guitar or your skills with online games.
>>35778766 4 things actually maybe someone here can helps: 1. Isn't it expensive, how much would I have to spend in a good cycle of not shity stuff that will give me gyno and make my intestines bigger?
2. I believe it's actually prosecuted in germany and I don't know where to buy it.
3. I'm worried of injecting myself incorrectly and worried about having to buy a lot of needles and how suspicious it will look
4.worried about side effect like mentioned above, bigger instestines and bad cells from hgh, balding, smaller balls, gyno.
>>35778981 >Steroids don't come up in those employment drug tests. If you are in the military different tests but no military doctors never order the tests to confirm steroid use Pls explain the tests to me, especially the military angle cuz that's a big reason I haven't turned in my natty card yet
No problem with roids but why is every lad who does them these days covered in shit tattoos, man bun, and a scraggy beard? Wearing gyn shark or 'gym king' or some other gay ass shit. Basic bitches all of you. Worse than women baka desu senpai
>>35778766 I like who I am and the current size of my balls I was never a fat insecure teenager I'm not obsessed with how big I am I don't have daddy issues I just can't see the point in taking steroids. Why would I want to be bigger or stronger than what is naturally possible for my body? I'm enjoying the journey m8
Could do nothing, could end up killing you. Far more likely the former than anything, but there's heart issues with steroid use beyond specifically heart malfunction (blood pressure, cholesterol and lipid issues are all very common. red blood cell problems are less common, but very frequent on certain gear).
>>35779284 this and hair loss is what's stopping me. I'm coming up to three years lifting and i'm still making great gains but my diet/sleeping habits still need improvement. No point jumping on the bike if i can't even nail those two things down.
I am not a bodybuilding or physique competitor, professional fitness model, or professional athlete. Therefore, in order for the cost/benefit analysis to balance in favor of going for it, I would have to *heavily* weight the "recreational/ego-boosting" part of the list of benefits.
Even taking for granted that the side effects and long-term health risks are negligible (Which they're really not, even if they are largely controllable), the expense in raw dollars and cents alone represents a large enough budget that an honest assessment of alternatives will have you comparing the benefit of gear cycles to the benefit of things like backpacking trips in the wilderness, motorcycles, classes/lessons in a new skill like dancing or a musical instrument, or entire gear kits for any number of other hobbies (like a top-notch battlestation and a library of games, or a carbon fiber bicycle and a couple years of club dues for a local team). Unless you're a trust-fund kid with functionally limitless resources, these are trade-offs that you have to think about. A few cycles of drugs to add a few inches to your arms, or a cross-country motorcycle ride to hike through a riverbed that cuts through a mountain in Zion National Park? And if you have the money for both the adventure and the drugs, then you alternatively have the money for the adventure PLUS anything else from the list, and so on and so forth with every hypothetical enlargement of the budget
The bottom line is that recreational roiders are excessively vain and unimaginative. If they weren't, the benefits of being more swole and pushing more weight in the gym just wouldn't be enough to make the cost/benefit balance, and they wouldn't be recreational roiders in the first place.
Cardio, and weight concerns My job requires me to be as light as possible with lifts around 2/3/4/5. I am slightly over 2/3/4/5 natty at 220. Going for a bicycle ride would put on too much additional mass, and while I would gain strength, I already have all the strength I need. I would overkill strength and my endurance and climbing would suffer. So im staying natty until I retire around age 50, then you can bet your ass I'll blast as much as I can get my hands on.
>>35779220 >t happens as you age is lose the things that matter to you. And replace them with numb complacency. You don't look in the mirror and see that cut physique; you see a pasty guy with a fat gut. You don't have a hot gf/bf that makes you happy anymore. You've got a ball-and-chain that you're too scared to leave. You don't get up and feel ready for the day. You creak and groan and struggle to slog through. It's shit, so please don't miss on the good years. I promise you don't know hurt until you see what could have been. lol, I'm 33 and life's never been better. Honestly get way more attention from girls now than ever before. I'm not huge, but I'm strong enough do mostly compounds never roided cause fraid of hairloss.
Most girls don't give a fuck about fitness beyond A) Shoulders visibly protrude beyond the width of arms from profile view, B) Cut decently sized arms, forearms, strong hands. C) Big legs.
Women have been telling me consecutively for the last 6 years I'm built like an old greek statue and I look nothing like any of these roid pics. Frankly I never even really cut that much Always rocked a decent amount of body fat to make squats easier.
Just do Greyskull or Icecream until you're intermediate change to push pull and you'll be great roids or not.
If you're insecure and want to be Xbawkshueg then go for it bruh. I've got plenty of homies who did, and now that we're in our 30s they're way bigger than me, and balding. If you've got a decently shaped head thats fine.
There is undeniably more pussy, money, good vacations, good satisfying career moves, and power to be enjoyed beyond 25. Honestly pre-25 is great having your health and vigor of youth, but life after 25 is undeniably better.
1. The biggest, Clomind/Novla have been shown to not only have permanent negative affects on your vision, but also that they are neurotoxic and will make your permanently more stupid. Search NCBI Clomid or Novla and you will see that this is a 100% side effect that people almost never talk about.
2. There is almost a certainty that your hpta will not fully recover, even with proper PCT. This is another thing that most people dont talk about. You will either need to b/c for the rest of your life, or you will want to cycle because you realize that you're not at 100% off.
3. Hilariously enough, if there is some sort of collapse of society situation (which I think is stupidly possible in the next ~20-30 years), even a temporary collapse, I will be *fucked* without test. You will watch you and everyone you love most likely get raped and starve to death.
>>35778766 I'm balding and have acne problems even without roids. Doctors can't do shit about it. Doing roids will turn me into a one ugly bastard. Plus I already realized that no amount of muscle will grant you a gf, so what's the point getting even bigger
4. Despite what the keyboard fucks at /fit/ says, girls honestly dont like that shit. I'm not a dadbod movement guy, FUCK that faggot shit. I'm saying that that 6' 245 @ 6% shit is unattractive and intimidating to 95% of 10/10s. If you want the celeb hot girls, they basically want Henry Cavil in Superman, or they want Zyzz. There's a reason their psyiques are so often posted. They don't want '80s Arnold. If you don't think i'm right, you honestly havent fucked any 10/10s.
I might in a few years but hair loss scares me since a lot of guys in my famalam are bald. Does romaine work to help slow down/prevent hair loss? And does it work for facial hair because all I can grow is a fucking neckbeard
Honestly, self-esteem is why I don't roid. People that are obese often have self esteem issues that stem from something, but often tied directly to their weight and how they look.
People who roid (I'm talking the non-athlete, someone who doesn't lift for a competitive reason) often have the exact same low self-esteem issue tied to their body. The only difference is instead of overeating, they medicate it with roids. They have such low self-esteem that if they don't look that way they feel like they have no self worth.
In reality, roid users would likely just be fatties in another life. Or maybe crackheads. The reality is its all addiction, usually associated with poor self-esteem.
Of course, there are some that are simply narcissistic douchebags.
>2016 >Pick 1, only 1 >Low Self-Esteem or narcissistic Douchebag
I dont want to be taking illegal drugs I dont want to be dragged into the drug world with pathetic criminals I dont want my heart to enlargen I dont want a heart attack I dont want my bloodvalues to be shit I dont want problems with my dick I dont want people to look at me and say "ur using steroids" I already got high blood pressure I already got problems with joints
I dont want to be as dissatisfied as I am right now, but also be a drug user.
>>35778868 I don't care about aesthetics like you do.
I do care about my appearance. I have to look strong. However, I don't need to roid to accomplish any of my goals. I look fine even with 20% bf and have no problem with women. The only people who ever give you shit about this if you are buff are /fit/zin's because body dysmorphia. They all want to look like your pick but just end up 140 pound fuccbois who brag about 8% bf.
In the end do whatever you want though bro. Hope you have a successful life.
>>35781357 It's illegal and will cost you over 10 grand a year most likely and you probably have to get somebody else to inject it for you.
There are also side effects which are things like your natural test production can be greatly lowered meaning if you can't afford them you are fucked and you can also become infertile. Ignore anybody who tells you either of this are not true. These are possible side effects even with safe use, just like how you can die even using prescription medicine properly.
>balding, smaller balls
Smaller balls is true, but those should grow back to normal if you stop. As for balding testosterone does increase chances of balding and at an earlier age.
Ask yourself this. Why do you want to take steroids? Is it to "pick up chicks" or something like that? Do you really think slightly more muscles is going to help you do that? Skinny twinks get women so whatever you look like now is fine for that. Steroids are dangerous and should only be used if you have a true purpose for doing so and do not just use them to mask your insecurities.
It's also entirely possible in an emotionally unstable person the hormonal imbalances can lead to behavioral changes and things like suicide. Only consider steroids if you have a very good reason and are a stable person.
>people say it's cheating Who am I cheating if I'm not in a competition other than the competition that is survival of the fittest? There is no rule in "life" that says steroids is cheating. The only reason it's illegal is because old people deemed it as cheating in sports even though literally everyone playing uses them.
The smart and successful man will use the tools at hand to reach his goals
Will probably start on the juice when I hit like 40ish years old. 250mg test per week 4 lyfe. But by then we probably have access to insanely effective SARMS anyway that most people will choose to use use (albeit illegaly)
>>35782684 1. For some people their balls do not shrink at all, but if they do its not by much 2. Even if they do, if you PCT properly they will go back to normal 3. Even if you choose to blast and cruise rather than cycle, it makes your dick look bigger, who the fuck cares lol, women certainly don't when they have a guy full of the essence that is test which they look for in a mate due to evolution, that can fuck for as long as they want and hard. >>35782721 I actually just posted it because I like the graphic. I do like Omar though, while we differ slightly in our opinions on steroids, I will always have respect for him as a scientist and strong natty lifter
I went through a huge a drug phase. Listen to the ex roiders telling you not to roid. They are basically telling you there is nothing to gain from drugs. You're just telling yourself they're awesome but duh you're on them.
Eating healthy and remaining lean is easy easy mode when your stomach and taste buds adjust away from high salt high sugar foods. Noteverybody is white trash who eats low tier
>>35782846 >this big Wtf do you mean? Yeah obviously women aren't attracted to fucking Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler, but you know who else frauded? Zyzz. Tell me they're not attracted to him, if you do, keep lying to yourself to help yourself sleep at night lol
Never realized how underage and pathetic this board is. Life doesn't even start until 25 what the fuck? And you think roiding up like a freak in high school is going to push you over the edge? Because that 16 year old has high standards. Hahaha holy shit thanks for the laughs. Never realized how out if touch with reality this place really is.
>>35779037 Your dad's balding has literally no effect on you. (If you are a guy.) That stuff is on the x chromosome which men only receive from their mothers. What matters is if the men in your mom's side of your family are balding.
Getting anavar in a couple days. Never done before. Im testing the water basically because its mild in the sense of steroids, any information on how to stack properlt so i dont grow boobies and lose my nuts or something?
>>35783419 Exactly Bradley Martin is aesthetic as fuck and even I'd totally go gay for him no homo But srs him and Jeffplsgo are perfect examples of roided up guys that most girls dream of. Not everyone that roids will or even can look like some mutant freak looking morherfucker like the guys you see in bodybuilding nowadays, or ranch pietro
Lol @ when people think roids do all the work. Please nig
If you jumped on test tren deca eq dbol var and sdrol all at once you'd still look like shit and not look anything close to Arnold, Kai, Phil, Bradley Martin, Jeff seid etc. why do you think they stand out so much? If every average joe could take steroids to look like them, then they wouldn't be anything special. Like for example, look at some of the guys on fraud, some of them have been running them for a while and still look like utter shit
It still takes LOTS of hard work, in fact, the whole purpose of roiding in the first place is to train harder longer and more often, so I'd hardly call it cheating, more like taking initiative to take our training to the next level
Its never been worth it. You know: the bulging forehead, receding hairline, cognitive depletion, little balls, acne, heart failure, and other shit. But the biggest reason is PERSONAL PRIDE.
I've exercised as long as I can remember. Now that I'm in my mid 40's with a beautiful wife of 20+ years, 4 kids, and own my home & business (engineering) I've never thought I made a bad decision. PLUS, I've kept my looks and health and could easily get into trouble with much younger women if I wanted to (and beat the shit out of most any guy).
With the exception of beer (and whisky), I've lead a drug-free life.
It was one of the best decision I ever made. But to each their own. Peace.
>>35778778 >? >head into local GNC >walk around the shelves, pretending to browse until the clerk looks at me, asks if he can help with anything >stroll up to him, flaring lats to intimidate >"LOOKING TO BUY SOME ROIDS MAN, GOT ANY ROIDS FOR SALE?" >teenager comparing mass gainers looks over, afraid of my booming voice >I fake a lunge at him, he stumbles over a Quest Bar display "Fucking natties, right?" I mutter to the clerk, giving him a knowing wink >clerk tells me they don't sell steroids >I let out a loud yawn, opening and closing my fist in front of him while rolling my eyes >"GOTTA EAT CLEN, TREN HARD, ANAVAR GIVE UP, C'MON" >I'm asked to leave, and not to come back if I'm going to cause a disturbance >360 out of the store, not before stashing some BCAA's in my trench coat and knocking over a cardboard cutout of Arnold
no matter how much roiders what to deny reality, there are REAL consequences of taking roids/test as you get older. it's really embarrassing that most of them use the "live now in your 20s bro it's all the matter" logic. they are going to face an unfortunate future as they age and realize life isn't just your youth.
as above posters have said..to do it for pure aesthetics is just so mindbogglingly stupid. You can look good naturally if you put in the time and effort and it really won't make a difference in attracting girls; hot girls really don't care to see your 6% bf. They want a good face and a lean body.
My last point is that roiding in my opinion DEFEATS the purpose of why we lift. It's a shortcut to aesthetics, a cheat mode (literally). The very slow and steady progress of naturally pushing yourself is what builds you physically and as a person. Roids seem to view aesthetics as getting to the top as fast as possible. A common saying we've all heard is that you can't build Rome in a day and the same principle should be said about your body.
>>35778787 You do know that all steroids are just stolen or imported hospital surplus right, no one is whipping up a bucket of tren in their basement, it all comes in packages from the pharmaceutical company that made it in sealed glass vials that can't be tampered with
1) I'm happy with my size, I really don't need to get bigger
2) Girls don't even really care despite what the faggots on this board keep telling themselves. Obviously if you are super fat or super thin, this is a turnoff to women, but you don't need to be huge and cut to get girls, they usually seek numerous other qualities besides a huge/ripped body
3) It's not good for you. Any chemical shit you put into your body is gonna have consequences. Maybe barely any if you are responsible with usage, but why take the risk at all.
>>35787663 Yes, but the study accounted for whole Lbm gain, not just muscle, which means it also counted all of the water and glycogen retention, trust me you don't gain that much at all sedentary on test, I did it to maintain what I had when I had to stop lifting once and as far as I could tell I didn't gain anything or if I did it was negligable
I source my happiness and drive in this world from travel, family and thriving in business.
>can't travel the world on a regular basis and carry steroids, also off cycle depression would be a burden >won't roll the dice on possibly never having a son to play sport with, or grandkids to take camping, no body is worth the sacrifice of infertility >i don't need a 315lbs bench press to impress that girl in starbucks, my white, 6'1, natural frame in a suit will.
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