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Who /longarms/? Where do you find yourself starting your second pull on the clean? Does this produce problems for you? If so, what corrective measures have you taken?
I can't get higher than dead mid-thigh with neutral arms, making it difficult for me to keep the bar as close a I'd like. I lose forward often.
>making it difficult for me to keep the bar as close a I'd like
contact point shouldn't send the bar flying out no matter where that contact is made, you're doing something wrong with the pull if you lose them forward
his is just above the kneecap
I think it looks pretty good, I might be a little on my toes when I'm at the bottom of the squat though
It looks like you're going down into a front squat after catching a power clean rather than squatting to get under the bar for the catch desu
but what would I know I merely lurk /owg/ and don't even weightlift
You are power cleaning into a FS; but it's not terrible. As you get more comfortable with more weight, you'll be forced to get under it quicker and lower.
One thing to watch out for when you get that heavy is that you need to get your elbow around faster. A good exercise is to do tall-cleans, ie start with the bar at your hip, no dip, just extend, pull, and then drop.
that's true, this weight is kinda light for me, but I'm getting into a beginner routine, so I'm getting my form down with light weight before I move on to heavier weights that I'll have to actually dive under. From what I understand, if I'm doing the physical cues right, then diving under the bar when it's heavier will happen almost on its own, without a deliberate deviation from what I'm doing now.
And it might look like what you are doing, but it takes a little bit to train your eyes to catch the subtle but important parts.
I'm trying to post a slow mo webm with a particle tracker but I keep running over the 3MB limit, give me a few minutes
I'm squatting all the way down on purpose to try to get a feel for bouncing out of the bottom.
Also, when I catch the weight, I only have my fingertips under the bar, which is normal I believe, but when I pop up at the top, I slip my thumbs underneath the bar as well, because I feel it lets me push harder on the jerk. Is there a reason not to tuck my thumbs under when I pop up? I don't know if that's normal or not, or wastes energy, or sets me up for injury, or something
Eh, your shit is all kinds of fucked.
You cucked yourself. You are so fucking strong that learning on lower weights is really hard for you, because you rip it off the ground like it's full of air. Yet you are so fucking strong that if you used weight that was challenging for you, your risk of injury would be higher because it would be heavy and your form would be shitty.
Jeb/10, keep cleaning, You Can Fix It!
Got it, don't worry about your hands, do whatever is most comfortable from the hook grip (hook grip everything always) and don't worry about the jerk; what you need to be doing now are two completely separate things: practicing cleaning (more important now) and then front squating. If you want to practice bouncing out of the bottom, then do front squats.
If you want to get better at cleaning before you fuck yourself with developing bad habits and going too heavy with them, then try this:
Don't do any work from the floor. All hangs, low hangs, high hangs, tall hangs. That is the Full Clean movement. The first pull is just 10% power that you don't need to be working with now and will only give you opportunity to get your back in a bad position for the real lift.
Don't rely on waiting for the weight to get heavy to force yourself down; you'll have learned shitty form by then and you'll get stuck with it. You can get really really got at doing something light like 135, or even 95 lbs, before you start fucking with more (fuck, do 20 tall cleans with just the bar before you move on).
That said, my best advice is don't listen to me, just another anon in the Library of Alexandria of Broscience that us /fit/ and work with someone who knows (a weekend in the Crossfit Lvl I cert is not "knowing") what the fuck you should be doing
Alright, that sounds pretty good. I was wondering how to practice getting under the bar without going real heavy and without doing a weak pull. I'll definitely do tall cleans
and yep yep yep, always gotta take everything from here with a grain of salt
Deleted that last post because I accidentally cropped off some of the text
I'm only a beginner myself, so other anons are gonna have points of contention with this information and I won't have a good argument for my side, but hopefully it helps
It's a reasonable pic but I wouldn't use yourself as an example of how to lift when you're a beginner yourself
The advice to scrape bar against skin since floor isnt great. Neither is having the bar touch shin in start. (These things are entirely dependent on your build, foot position etc)
Agree. Dude's not winning any fake Internet points here. I just said not to waste your time in /fit/ and talk to a real person, but I guess sperging out on your own video for a board that doesn't really give a shit beyond the cursory first look is another route
Yeah, I guess probably not the best idea. It evolved into this ms paint thing because I couldn't get my slow mo webm to a reasonable filesize so that that guy could see the finer points and see why my technique wasn't the same as his technique.
And huh, I had thought that the more in contact the bar is with your skin, the further back you could get it before you started the 2nd pull, and the better off you'd be. Do you think I have the bar far enough back, or I could have it a little further back?
Just trying to improve the quality of the general. It's one thing to call out fallacious ethos-based self-promoting BS when you see it, but it's another thing to just hang around so you can tell people they're bad
Your technique is fine mate, you don't need to prove that yours and norsies technique aren't the same, he only says that because he doesn't see the little nuances because he's new to this (and that's fine)
Well last time I went to a small club the instructor was shit and I kinda felt like I was better and stronger than him. He knew it and told me to stop coming after a bit. This is the only other one in the area so I don't wanna fuck it up.
So you're an experienced lifter?
Don't confuse being stronger with knowing more.
If they are clueless just tell them you'd like to keep doing your own programming and not what their team does or something
he likes to lift clearly
what do you mean though?
Keep your arms relaxed, but pull your shoulders back and down. Stay over the bar for longer by pushing your knees back and out off the floor. And keep the bar close; I think about having the bar shave off the hair on my shins.
So I finally snatched over bw
However, now my Max c&j is only 7.5kg above my snatch. My technique in the clean is probably nicer too, just need to work on my jerks, I think I have alot more in me, I've never really maxed c&j in the way I have snatch.
These gym maxes put my total around 172-175ish. Do you think itll be easy to hit a 200 total by November?
/owg/, I'm asking here because it seems most of /plg/ eats like horses and I don't want that.
I've gathered some info on Oly, and want to take it up. Problem is I have very little lifting experience, and on top of that I'm only weighing 120lbs.
I'd just like to know what's your diet like in a typical day, how many calories and what's your breakfast, if that's not too much to ask. I'm trying to figure out shit without completely going fat fuck with poor health.
No lifting expirience shouldnt really be a problem might actually be better cause you dont know wrong technique. But unless youre like 1.5m or something you should definitly eat more, but wait with it until you start the sport actually
3.5k as a 66kg, breakfast is usually oats mixed with protein powder/peanut butter, some pomegranate juice and some eggs
also if you are only 120lbs, and start to get on a good Wling sched w/ a coach, you will find it very hard to become a fat fuck, the key is to not be scared about bulking. you will not become a fatass over night
Whenever someone looks for advice or asks a question we have people bully eachother and not giving any advice. I dont care so much about the bullying but without any advice its just pointless to post here.
Can anyone help me with a squat form problem?
>Can keep palms on floor
>Very nice third world squat with almost straight back (Weight on heels/midfoot) I feel very strong with no shoes.
However, as soon as I add weight and hold a bar, my lower back rounds slightly and also I shift forwards/hips come up.
It almost feels like I go down nicely and as soon as I come back up, my hips rise to try and keep bar over midfoot and back slightly rounds. I feel like I have a hard time firing glutes too. I noticed my feet roll inwards too. This happens with almost any weight on the bar.
I've asked another oly lifter and he suggested that maybe I have a flexibiltiy imbalance, e.g my hamstrings are so flexible relatively that they are weaker.
He said to try this:
Strengthen posterior chain (more RDLs)
Lower the bar position from upper traps to slightly lower
What do you think/suggest?
Sorry for the wall of text.
Fuck I'm 75kg and ate like 2700 yesterday, I try (and do) get at least 3K a day usually though. I usually eat less lifting days since I'm out and I just have less time to eat. Am I fucked?
Also, what do you men by you wont get fat if you lift on a schedule with a coach?
how long u been lifting for, in my first year i did 129>181 total w/ bw goin from like 60>65(fml)
i mean as a skinny person doing intense training like WLing, you will be using a lot of energy, and as a skinny person he will not be able to put back enough cals to become fat as fatass mode
>mixed oly and PL plates
power lifting confirmed for real sport
So started having a go at oly last week, found a proper WL gym nearby so hopefully checking it out soon.
Recorded these today, a 50kg C+J and just an overhead squat with the bar, couldn't even get a quarter of the way into the bottom position last week.
Just wanted some feedback on how shit I am
Well I'm 78-80ish rn, so if I fill out at 85 I should be OK right?
I just jerked 100 tonight too so hopefully my total now should be 182.5_ would like 210 by end of year... Atleast 200 doable?
it's very rare to find any shop that sells wl shoes in person
get them online, go half a size down, you want the shoes fit snug or your feet will move around in them when you split for the jerk, in cleans and snatches it's not a problem but it's very important for the split
I think I understand why this pisses me off so much.
The first time I did a yoke walk, i spent literally about 30 minutes watching some the WSM and watching the different nuances, went into the gym and within an hour I had my shit figured out, and my yoke technique hasn't changed much since because I figured it out.
The first time I lifted stones, it just made sense. I spent about an hour playing with the 100 lb stone getting the timing right, and then went straight to a 250, and 300 lb stone on a 48" platform, and my stone technique hasn't had to change much since because I've pretty much got it figured out.
Yes, there are tiny little things that could change and make me a little bit better, but the fundamentals are there, and didn't take long to develop at all.
GF was watching me "power snatch" (if you can call it that yet) today. During one set she scream "THERE! YOU DID ONE RIGHT!
it felt just as shitty as the rest, so we watched the video. it looked fucking IDENTICAL to the ones i did before (too me), but she was adamant that they weren't even the same.
any other movement, I can break it into pieces, disect them and figure it out.
WL i just. fucking. can't.
wew, what a frustrating revelation
It's preference. If they were loose then new maybe go down a half size. I've heard the adipowers are narrow.
Chinese shoes like do-win or strengthshop shoes I found fit a whole size larger. So if you're an 8, a 7 will fit. They're seemingly sized like dress shoes rather than sneakers.
Nike's I've been told by a gymbro will fit in your regular Nike size.
It's not an exact science and is a bit of a gamble I know but hopefully this helps.
Yeah. I still have to read everettes book this weekend but I'm not certain it will be what I need.
I might break down and go to a crosshit gym. Thye have drop in rates for the oly class, but I don't know what they are yet and i'm fuckin scared its going to be like 100 bucks a session or some stupid shit.
Well, strongman events haven't had very much money, international attention, and professional effort put into them, compared to weightlifting. During the cold war, weightlifting happened to become an appreciated contest between countries, and the Soviets really went all out on it. First rate university students got funneled into coaching and sports research, and kids with exceptional talent got scouted at and began general training at 12 years old. That's how damned early they started their training. Then they had careers out until their late 20's and 30's. All the time that they were training, the coaches and sports scientists were studying them, collecting data, trying to interpret data, et cetera. That's how well studied weightlifting is, and how strictly defined 'good form' is for weightlifting.
you don't have to read all 250 pages or whatever, just read the sections on teaching the snatch to start off with, that's like 30 pages,and you can read it right now and practice the progressions tonight or tomorrow, jesus fucking christ, you keep complaining about how you can't git gud, just start reading
Patella tendon hurts when atg what do guys? pls
when i'm shitposting on here im usually doing homework or projects at the same time.
maybe. but that doesn't change the fact that I was able to get to an operational level with them so easily. thats the key.
Anyone have orthotics? I have flat feet and I'm thinking of getting some to stop my feet rolling. (I push from insides of feet).
Anyone recommend any off the shelf ones? How can I make sure the angle of my ankle is changed?
So I've been reading a little and figured, I have strong quads and weak glutes. Thats why my frontsquat feels much better than backsquat.
Weak glutes are causing my lack of power and a lot of forward lean.
Best exercises for glutes for a lot of squat carryover and rep range/frequency?
Okay thanks I'll try them, any resistance or green/black?
I don't really know if it's weak glutes or not activating or both.
I never get a bounce from squats and I lean forward, I feel like this could be part of the problem. I did months of front squats without any posterior work too.
Does anyone have that pic comparing powerlifters and weightlifters?
>guy i know who's been oly lifting for a while moves away a few years ago
>tonight he randomly showed up in my gym
>turns out he moved back and just switched to my gym
>gym is getting oly bar + plates soon
>he offered to help me
there is a god and he is just
It'll be much easier for you with someone to correct as you lift m8
In other news, finally jerked 100kg tonight. I feel the two first real landmarks (bw snatch & 100kg c&j) have been done finally (well, have clean and jerk 100 seperatly now but not long til together I think)
>mfw he told me "nah dude. you're strong af. if you can spend a year getting your movements down you'll snatch 300+ and c&j 400 +"
i don't think he understands just how remarkably untalented I am. if i can snatch 200 and c&j 300 i'll fucking cry tears of joy lol
Am I ever going to make it?
>start list posted for next comp
>7am weigh in, 9am liftan
i love being a lightweight :^)
if anyone in the toronto area wants to come watch me fuck my shit up come through to kanama
out of shear curiosity:
how much do you think the world records for clean & jerk would go up if they allowed a lockout?
also, what are feelings on the clean and press? obv its not part of the sport, but do some of you do it for fun?
not much or not at all, press out means you messed up somewhere either in the dip or you didnt drive the bar hard enough or didnt go low enough or just too slow
it's easier to jerk to a full lockout than to save a press out, since a press out are borderline, i find my press outs are when the clean was really ugly and don't have much energy left but i still have the balls to kind of get under it but not enough leg drive
Really, truly pressing out a 250kg+ jerk is probably close to impossible. If the structure is not rigid it will simply collapse, no matter how strong it is under optimal conditions.
i've lost weight from cutting lol
>pic is in freedom units sry
for real i really do enjoy getting feedback from here despite the frustrations of learning.
i kinda miss the hookgrip and atg spamming though desu
in the oly lifts? depends on how good your coach is/ when you want to go to the olympics/ if you're ready to dedicate your life to the sport
if you answered world class/2024+/yes you're 10% there otherwise >>35790931
actually, i'm not.
in fact, i'm probably the single most pro-metric merican you'll ever meet. the only reason the weights I lift are in lbs is because literally no one here in the uS will buy kg plates.
the only reason this is in lbs is because the auto-formatting template had some calculations running off of lbs, and entering kg fucked it up, so i have a separate cell where i put my bw in kg and it converts it to lbs.
I can give accurate temperatures in celsius, i measure all my food in grams, I have a good sense of what __ kgs feels like, I can ballpark cm, m, i record my height and weight in meters....
living in freedom land is painful. I seriously wish everything was metric.
>trying to appeal to eurofaggots with your selfhating cuckoldry
you realize this same beta mentality is why white german and swedish women are being raped daily by mudslimes, correct?
>dw norse you dont shit up the threads
that didnt last long
oohhhh gooood lord, i dont think thats a good idea
would be a waste of time for them, i have so much silly fundamental shit i need to learn before i waste some high level persons time jej
>Anyone else from Sydney?
I really want to switch from BB to Oly lifting, but I don't know of any gyms in the Northern Beaches/Eastern Suburbs area that offer WL training and coaching. I've looked online but everything is like over an hour south or west.
Mate i live in Camperdown and theres a guy in my parking lot who drives a hummer.
On his hummer is adversing for his business where he is an Olympic lifting coach. I'll go downstairs now and check if hes there
>tfw you need at least an 8x6 to pleasure her
I'm in Frenchs Forest. I found a place in Brookvale called 'Joes Basecamp' that looks like it offers WL training, but they specialize in the sort of stuff /out/ would be interested in.
What's Broadway Gym like? It's not exactly local for me but its a hell of a lot cheaper than my current gym.
haha sorry mate as shit as my diddy and squat are, I really need that WL coaching. hope you find a gym buddy :)
Also pls post if you find the number of that PT you mentioned. I lurk these threads religously, so I'm bound to see it
Anyone else get a lump from squats?
After squats, the second vertebrae down from the base of my neck kind of looks like it sticks out more and lumps. It feels like it is a day later but not as much.
This always happens when I squat, I'm pretty sure it's on traps as I never have pain squatting.
fug I cant wait to compet man. I lifted 2 days ago with my new coaching, new facility. Lifting again today after I write some exams.
Last time they had me do hang power snatch, power snatch from the knee, then they were impressed enough with my technique that they let me pull from the floor (they were just gonna have me do hangs at first), so they had me do snatch grip DL to the knee and then fill snatches, then the same deal for power cleans. Then they had me do power snatches from the rack.. I had the cleans and snatches down.. But fuck I couldnt get power jerks right, it may have been fatigue. I wasn't driving hard enough and holding lockout hard enough either. I'll get it today. Then I just did back squats and went home.
Today I think they're going to have me do drop snatch and then full snatches, and I guess full cleans too? Excited to actually start training the full competition lifts, under supervision and with bumper plates. I hope I'll see you in competition in Ontario sometime, Oly boy.
never give up fatty.
i have trouble leaning back in the clean second pull.
cant i just pull the bar straight? i'm short but my torso/arms ratio is pretty shitty so i always bump the bar away with my legs
DON'T WORRY FAMPAI
i might take time where I'm more dedicated to PL or maybe strongman for a little while but I'm quite determined to get to a point where I can at least train myself, improvemyself and have fun with these movements, so that I have then as a fall back to in the future.
How realistic do you think it would be to do 2 a days or even a staggered PL / WL training casually? I mean, obviously if you're getting srs then nope not even a little, but if you're someone like me and not going to be training seriously for either, is there any reason i couldn't do something lik e
low bar squat and bench
front squats & BB shit
or something similar?
2 a days are easy for wl, most training sessions for newer guys aren't really training sessions more like primers for the night session
I hate going days without at least doing some type of wl movement, it's very easy to lose timing and i feel like a retard every time I have too much days off and I've been doing this for almost 2 years
Try to do technique work with snatch, cleans or jerk 15 mins to warmup for your pl or something everyday at least
Anyanons order from these cats before? They are selling Chinese do wins for 150 ish shiped to your door.
actually, thats kind of what ni've been doing already and i like it. just some barbell stuff, hit some muscle snatches and some overhead squats before i go to bench or squat.
oh snap. that sounds perfect. i didn't know such things existed desu.
goign to have to check those out, maybe this afternoon after i get out of meetings =\
Those are penalty style do wins senpai
They are styled like Romaleos but they are not the same pitch as my Romaleos
I have both pendalys are ok if I were you I'd save up the few extra dollars and get the top shoes that'll last you longer, I've got 3 pairs now pp2 do wins then Romaleos
I shouldn't have gotten the do wins and saved up for Romaleos right off the bat instead
I have a meet on Saturday at 7pm, weigh in is at 6pm.
It's a team competition, so it's not divided into weight classes. And while I don't have to make weight for a specific weight class, in the end it's still best to be as light as possible, i guess.
I've been drinking lots of water the last week and I'm currently cutting that down to lose excess water weight. Also I stopped eating carbs today to empty my glycogen stores and therefore lose even more water.
That's what I did in my last competition (which was my first) and I did manage to lose a significant amount of weight before the competition.
However, I wasn't feeling very strong and fit after that week of water and carb depletion, and my competition went ok but not great.
I believe that I could do way better if I didn't arrive there completely depleted of water and carbs.
My question now is how I should continue my "mini cut" and be able to perform well on Saturday.
I thought about maybe continuing drinking less water, but eating a high carb meal on Friday evening. So I would carb up, but my body couldn't store that much water.
Or is that bullshit? also, how do I eat and drink on Saturday? My previous meet was at 8am, now its at 9 pm!
How can I go an entire day (until 6pm when the weigh in is) without eating or drinking?
thanks in advance
At this stage you'd probably be OK continuing pl training as normal (as long as its not something v specific or taxing like rsr or smolov) and just getting in lots of rep work with the classics which shouldnt massively impact recovery.
But, take a look at those routines. 70s big will probably be ideal, just use whatever rep ranges you need in the big 3 as you're clearly experienced in them
https://www.t-nation.com/workouts/10000-swing-kettlebell-workout Learning how to do a proper KB swing helped me a lot with learning how to activate my glutes. Hope it helps you, anon.
I dont get why people keep saying this.
Having shoes tight on your toes isnt the same as having a good fit.
Your shoes should have just enough room to move your toes, and fit snug across midfoot. That's where sliding occurs, not at the toes. Wearing footwear tight on your toes is a terrible idea and can lead to serious problems.
Ya it sucks having to wear shoes that are tight in the toes. My little piggy don't even touch the floor anymore cause of years of crowded toe box shoes
OH DEAR LAWD
gym's new oly plates showed up early!
they're nothing fancy, but now i have actual bumpers and a barbell that spins and isn't bent to practice on!
kek, thats one of my gym owners, not me. my quads are bretty big (4u)
i'd do both snatch and clean and jerk on oly day.
YOU GOTTA STRETCH REALLY HARD NORSIE
try canditoe squat mobility drills after heavy workout + this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwLM5n-rYmA
also a quick 10 minutes static stretch before bed every day will change the world and takes a really tiny effort.
dunno how your shoulder flexibility is doing, but mine got decent just by dead hanging from a bar for 4/5 cumulative minutes a day for a month
>stretching before bed
i think this would make the biggest difference actually
that youtube video, i've actually been doing that for almost 2 years now. ankle and ront rack mobility isn't actually that bad.
Shoulder mobility is limiting but its actually getting better, i've been doing deadhands as well as using the monkey bar rack to really focus on the internal rotation while being straight above me, its def getting better. not where it needs to be, but getting there
i know you didnt asked but i feel like people dont stress the importance of good mobility enough.
the biggest difference for me was trying ido portal squat challenge, but i know that 30 minutes of resting squats everyday may be pretty demanding for many people, especially for unconditioned people this shit begins to burn after 2/3 minutes
no, i totally understand. I appreciate the insight. Right now mobility is on the upswing for me which is good. I did some lowbar squats the other day and i remmeber it being WAAAY harder to get my arms tucked in that it was. which is a very good sign i think. additionally i can feel the top position slooooowlly (very slowly) coming within my grasp
is this the same thing as people talking about
>wait wait wait for hip extension until the last second and then BOOM
I'm not an expert but I literally just read this.
he's saying stay on your heels till you're in the power position and continue pushing with the legs throughout the pull
stop focusing on the hip extension it happens naturally if you extend the legs
this is a good example
the first thing he also mentioned in the book is
"most athletes do not respond well to being told what not to do. instead, tell them what they should do"
so if i'm focusing too much on hip extension, you're saying i should be focusing on leg extension and getting that right?
>done weightlifting training
>waiting to be picked up
>have to wait a while
>go into the gym in my uniform to kill some time
>go in and grab an ez bar
>do decline tricep extensions behind the head
>look like an autistic retard
Not that anon but yes.
Just think about driving with the legs. It'll take a while to get, I'm 7months in and I sometimes default to 'whipping' the bar up with my hips, but when you get it right you'll feel it
If you had to modify a simple beginner strength routine to prepare for weightlifting, how would you do it?
I'm learning the lifts right now so can't do any variations right now. What is the best routine I can do for preparation that doesn't involve the classics?
Hey lads I've been having a reaccuring knee/IT band injury in my right quadricep for the past month.
I stop liftan for 3 weeks and came back then it was fine but this week it is back and I can't even go below parallel with any weight at all.
I got to use an actual WL bar for the first time today (higher end pendlay). I am fucking speechless. literally speechless. it was an ENTIRELY different experience. like, holy fucking shit. the first pull i did i completely fucked up because it was so different (doesn't help the bar I was using was bent too.....)
unfortunately that was my buddies personal bar... the bar my gym bought is..... pretty fucking terrible
>WAY fucking thicker than 28 or 29 mm
>knurling is super cheap
>doesn't even come close to spinning as well as the ohio power bar we have that i've done a gazzilion deadlifts on
rip. the bumpers are actually pretty nice though, so thats a huge step in the right direction.
on a side note, holy FUCK my rear delts are sore. i have never experienced rear delt soreness like this. jesus christ
actually waist is like 38 ish. It just looks weird because of the way my shirt sits on me, but yeah, i have wide af hips and my legs are pretty jacked comparatively.
But yeah this picture makes it look alittle weird.
dude, i thought it was a joke too. GF bought it for me so i was like "well, fuck it i'll try it"
never looked back. having a huge HD screen and HD camera right there in the gym with me for immediate feedback from watching video is fucking fantastic.
additionally have a big screen for using a bar path tracker, as well as having access to all your spreadsheets right there on the spot... its fuckin' awesome.
10/10 would buy another tablet if this one broke
1) no mods
2) so we can join our buddies PLG and BWG
3) cuz asp needs even more shitposting
4) no mods either
5) dont have to worry about our thread dying because no one posts on asp
We have a problem with our shit getting vote casted off the board and its only a matter of time til the mods start banning us.
Asp gets little to no traffic thus little to no need to keep making the general. With the recent departure of many olympic lifters on fit; we should move to a slower board so we don't have to worry about necro bumping our dead general.
Plus asp needs to be raped even more with pointless shit. Wrestling isnt enough.
its not that they banned it; its just this general is way too slow to be on this board so asp is better. plus we never have to worry about being banned on asp since olympic weightlifting is a alternative sport.
alright, well we'll surely have a reduced influx of members on /asp/ since those guys just watch sports, while /fit/ spends a little more time in the gym and isn't afraid to touch a barbell
Comp tomorrow. Will post lifts after if I don't go full chinese
>thisn isn't that bad
holy fuck what
is this happening? am I learning?
A couple of questions
>i was told I should try to stay on my heels longer / extend w/ feet not as soon
yes or no? why?
>getting under the bar
is there really no way I can / should work on this? is it literally just something i have to do a million and a half reps on and eventually it will just make sense to drop under the bar?
>if thats the case (getting under the bar)
should I be working on my jerk separately, trying to get that up to par for when I get to the point I can clean some weight that isn't laughable?
i don't know WHAT the fuck I did but my rear delt hurts like fuck all. its like feeling of soreness, almost bruising, and it only really shows up when i put my arms out to then sides then push them back behind me and up. which happens to be the direction it needs to go for snatches lol
Do you think I could run catalysts 5 week front squat cycle with a 90kg 1rm? Someone gained 30kg on 1rm on it, not sure what would be realistic.
Also, how to stop upper back rounding on the way up? (Happens with less than 50% too)
I'm not sure what to substitute classics for though as I'm still learning them so can't do them properly.
What should I expect?
also, i've never shown you guys a jerk before but this is what mine look like now. I'm still in the process of reading everetts book but this is what I have to work with.
I used to, but it was so inconsistent. I managed a 600 lb / 272.5 kg squat in comp high bar, but I've since switched to lowbar since its easier to be consistent for me.
I know i forgot D:
i watched the video and i literally didn't realize/ remember until after the session....
pretty stupid thing to forget, I know....
i'm dead serious. I literally just forgot :(
I was too focused on all the other shit! there's too much shit to think about all the time, plus my buddy was watching and giving some pointers - i had a lot going on my mind and it just sorta fell to the back and got forgotten
this might be why this general says to not listen to this general.
theres a handful of people that tell me this, and the other 80-90% tell me thats the stupidest thing possible. I've also started to find literature on this as well, getting under the bar is learned gradually with increased loads, not by learning how to do and then being able to jump your clean by 50 kg because you just figured out how to get under it.
i'm a scrub but i straight disagree with you based solely on literature & what other people have been telling me.
Absolutely no coach will tell you to increase weight or have weight on the bar if your form looks as bad as yours.
With form like yours they wouldn't even give you a real bar.
at some point i have to just cut trying to listen to what every one says and go after it
i'm cutting it here lol, sorry fampai
you're an idiot mate. It's HOW FAST YOU CAN DROP
That translates to getting under the bar. If his mind isn't telling him to drop when he clean it he shouldn't even be working with weight.
Honest. He's fucking up his muscle memory with every set.
ok, here's the thing man.
I have asked this EXACT QUESTION twice now.
EVERY ONE has told me to do the OPPOSITE of what you're saying, and they've given me concrete reasons as to why.
All you have said is
"deload to broomstick you're an idiot"
you haven't told me why, you have told me what technical benefit there will be, you haven't told me anything. you've just told me to do something.
I'm not trying to sound like a smart ass, I'm trying to learn fundamentals, not just technical but understanding. If i'm going to do something in training, i'm not going to listen to anything that doesn't have an concrete reasoning.
IF you can give me some good reasoning as to how dropping to a broomstick or PVC will help me learn to get under the bar then I would love to hear it, I'm totally on board for anything that will help me learn faster, but the consensus right now is going strong against this.
Just adding my 2cents but you're both kinda right, you need to understand the movement before you add weight. It's all relative. You should probably just be hitting reps with 60kg or some shit.
It's hard to make a clean be 'right' at first with a weight that feels light. Don't underestimate working with these light weights early on.
Also, general advice. Don't tell yourself loads of cues as you lift. Try to understand the lift, then just relax and do it. Watch it back, fix the most glaring error. Rinse and repeat. If you fill your head so full of stuff you forget to squat the weight after catching high, you're thinking way too much.
That said, that latest hang clean looked a much better pull, no hip bang and the legs drove the weight. Big step forward from a few days ago imo.
I'd actual question why Norse is learning c&j first, snatch is far more technical and frustrating but the pull carries over much better and fixing all those horrible mobility issues will translate across everything...
actually after yesterday i came to the same conclusion, 60 kg would be about perfect.
there's a big problemw for me with no weight, i just throw shit around and can't feel anything.
but with 60 kg i can at least get a feeling of failing. it will also be about right for my to start practicing hook grip, as when i get to 300+ lbs my double overhand might not be enough to hold the second pull.
the big thing is i need a weight heavy enough to feel error, and a weight light enough that i can get in the volume i need without getting exchausted, and that 205 lbs was making me fucking exhausted.
>don't use so many cues
right, this is a very good idea. just do it, then fix the biggest issue, rinse repeat. i like that idea.
>last hang clean looked much better
finally, a step in the right direction!
same, actually. everette mentioned same thing. learn the harder of the two first.
I think I will be doing that also. I didn't do them yesterday because I've developed a soreness / tightness / dull pain in my left rear delt and it hurt especially on snatch.
Additionally the snatch requires more mobility that I don't have yet, but I think i'm going to stay saying fuck it and just go after it while simultaneously working on mobility.
I did a pressured wall squat for the first time yesterday and i thought my pelvis was going to snap in half. "tighter than a nuns buns" was the way my buddy described it.
Now take it with a pinch of salt, and I'm being honest, I've only been oly lifting properly 6-7months, just telling how I learned/what's helping me not overload with cues and thoughts
Also, yes DEFFO hookgrip. It's not even a matter of grip strength... Here's something a former national team coach showed me...
Make a normal fist... See how your forearm tightens up? Now hookgrip fist... Doesn't activate nearly as much. As a beginner, even without meaning to, using plain double overhand will bring your arms into the lift far too early just because of how a double overhand grip is closed by the forearm, not just by the hand.
There's a Chinese weightlifting convention going on today with Lu, Tian and Liao hui so we might get some new footage of them.
I think video footage is prohibited so it may only be pictures.
I took anon's advice and did some tall cleans. It looks like I dipped a little before the extension and cheated a little. This was also kind of heavy weight for me, and it was at the end of the workout, so I think weaknesses should show through
>but you're both kinda right, you need to understand the movement before you add weight
>I've only been oly lifting properly 6-7months
yet somehow you're qualified to give advice and you know what's right and what's not?
Injuries happen. You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
My question for you guys is, have you noticed consecutive injuries heal faster?
Or do you think it's old injuries that just got brought back up?
I hurt my back the other day and 3 days later im 100% again.
Other injuries would take months to weeks to days to heal, and now sometimes its just overnight.
I dont get injured as often as you may thinking. Im considering the maybe ~8 injuries I had in 5 yrs lifting.
On a scale 1 to retarded, should I fix my form?
I see that the bar path isn't vertical, I rolled the bar before lifting, and my shins should be much, much straighter up.
Is this detrimental to joints/gains? Or is it fine so long as I keep my back straight, shoulders tight and hips a bit high?
This was from a 6 months ago (in a free entry uni gym) before I went broke and can't pay for a gym (doing internship).
I have now found a cheap ghetto gym with decent equipment and can now afford to lift again.
Help me out, thanks.
>yet somehow you're qualified to give advice and you know what's right and what's not?
Kinda right about the hook grip and relaxed arms, though. Try no hook snatches/cleans sometime to compare the arm involvement.
How do weigh ins work for oly competitions? Do you weigh in the morning and then get your water weight back or do you weigh in right before you lift.
I am going for Ilya mode and Im 5'9 230 but I only look like off-cycle ilya on the beach.
Is he weighing in around 230 but then gains 15-20 pounds back water weight right after?
Did you just selectively read? Missed the bit where I say take it with a pinch of salt? Or the bit where I said I'm just sharing what I was taught?
Listen you fucking faggot, I know you're here this time everyday when the happy bus brings you home from rainbow school but in the year you've been shit posting you've never been helpful or shown lifts or anything. Pretty sure my coaches know better than you, junior, and I'm fairly certain that even I outlift you too.
Weigh in should start early but local comps can be allover the place with it. Just as soon as weigh in open go try weigh in even if you're clase isnt till later they'll most likely allow it
you may want to train the full lift instead of only a small portion of it.
you can do that if you have trouble with a particular part. but as you seem to be completely new to wl it would be better to train the full lift
>i know better than every coach
If you have trouble with a specific portion of the lift, you should hammer that. There's too much going in in the full lift to keep it all straight for a beginner, and especially one who can just muscle it up
That was an under-powered hip clean, but a tall clean. There should be no flexion in your knees or hips--you start the movement in full (triple) extension, hence the name 'tall clean'. You must use your shoulders and arms to guide the bar to your shoulders. If it's too heavy, drop the weight. This is tech work; sloppy work is worse than none.
Yeah, I'm the anon who told you to do the tall cleans a few days ago. Agree with above, there shouldn't be any movement in your hips; you should have no help from the rest of your body to move the weight up, so that it only goes so high and you need to drop fast.
Right now you're still catching it super high.
Look at the video, mark in the screen where the bar is when you're at parallel. The bar should only travel a few inches higher than that at its apogee
I'm reading it right now, got it a while ago but i've been sooper busy.
Ah, I see. I incorrectly assumed I knew what a tall clean was. And fuck, it felt like I was fast getting under the bar and I caught it real low. Now I see that I was slow and caught it high.
>Look at the video, mark in the screen where the bar is when you're at parallel. The bar should only travel a few inches higher than that at its apogee
getting that deep under weight that heavy is intimidating as fuck, god damn
>don't let the weight crush you
Is that just practice to get a smoother catch on the clean? I don't know what kind of cues I would focus on to achieve a smoother catch. What's the point of a smoother catch, injury prevention?
oh, I thought you meant that during an ideal heavy clean, the bar would be at its highest only a few inches above where I would hold it at parallel.
And yeah, I'll read on tall cleans before my next trip to the gym
this week I have hit these PRs
Snatch from 75 to 82.5
Jerk from 90 to 100
Clean from 100 to 107.5
Gonna have a few weeks of trying to get some solid work in at 80% now, hopefully clean up my technique somewhat
While I haven't c&j 100 yet it's close. Do you think a 200+ total is doable by November?
how do you cut weight? is it very important in oly lifting or?? is it worth dehydrating yourself? an enema couldnt hurt.. and staying lean obviously.. but is it worth it to have less sodium and dehydrate and then salt up after weight in or nah?
btw oly boi ive been training in the weightlifting hall still with coach. I was doing hang power snatch from the knee and he said "thats good. very good actually" so Im doing good. He I'll be doing squat snatches/cleans and split jerks next week and I'll be good. it's cool, itll be cool to compete and to actually start dropping weights from OH, it's satisfying, isnt it? I'm having fun, eh