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WHY DIDN'T YOU GO VEGAN JANUARY 1ST?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEjgLqXQ04E

GO VEGAN

Seriously. ALL of the science points to vegan diets being the healthiest. Only the goodest goys (99% of /fit/) will spout literal bro science like "muh protein" "muh cholesterol" and yesterday I actually saw a thread where people were talking about how saturated fats were healthy. Look /fit/, just because a men's health article made some hypothesis, doesn't mean they are right.
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Go ahead - convince me to go from vegetarian to vegan.

Why shouldn't I eat egg whites and honey? Those are literally the only animal products I consume.

I've seen most of VG's videos and haven't ever seen him or any other vegan mention negative health effects of egg whites (as opposed to whole eggs) or honey.

I remain open minded. Go ahead.
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Citation needed
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>>35729387
>healthiest diet
If you take a shitload of pills for all the important stuff you miss out on like vitamin B12 yeah maybe
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If vegan diets were really beneficial you'd see more than a few athletes doin it. Where are the studies looking at long term health outcomes? Not just "this fatass lost weight over three months"
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>>35729415
Welll why did you go vegetarian in the first place?
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i don't want to live too long. thanks anyway.
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Reminder to report veganshit threads.
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>>35729387
Why does his biceps look so fucking weird, almost looks like an implant
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>>35729415
Because chicken's need their babies, when you eat eggs you stealing chicken's babies and you are fuelling the battery farm industry, who keep chickens in cramped conditions and pump them full of steroids and Dbol and test and make them drink 10 scoops and do 8 hour arm workouts. It's inhumane.
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>>35729442
more like eggplant
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>>35729431
I'm entirely convinced meat is unhealthy.

That and I hate the taste and smell of meat.

Now again, as someone who's actually open minded about this stuff, I'm giving you a fair chance.

Why are egg whites and honey unhealthy? Those are literally the only animal products I eat. Once I eliminate those, I'm effectively on a vegan diet. Why are they bad from a health standpoint?
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>>35729448
>chicken is need their babies

according to who or what?
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>mfw I'm about to hit up a all you can east restaurant with friends and probably eat a couple of kilograms of meat
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>>35729468
>falling for obvious b8
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>>35729448
1. I asked for negative health effects, not ethical reasons.

2. The egg white brand I use incidentally has good farm practices. Not that it's relevant to me.

Once again, giving you a fair chance. Why are egg whites unhealthy?
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>>35729387
>Yesterday I actually saw a thread where people were talking about how saturated fats were healthy.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
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>>35729429
>"this fatass lost weight over three months"

Only reason that works is because vegan diets have low caloric intakes.
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>>35729387
I am not vegan, but I get most of the points.
But why shouldn't you eat honey?
The bees are not harmed in any way
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>>35729476
Whatever, keep consuming the unborn children of the Rich Piana 10 scoop chickens
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>>35729448
You were saying science proves you right. Stop arguing from muh feels and prove the vegetarian wrong with science.
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>>35729387
The thing with veganism is that it's obviously morally and ecologically superior to meat based diets.
So why do you feel the need to keep going on about it being "the healthiest", when there's next to no scientific evidence?
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>>35729387
'Breh, humans have been eating and hunting meat fior millions of years, huge portions of the worlds population subsist either primarily or entirely on meat and dairy, from fish in south east asia to meat in mongolia, arabia and north america.

heck, some populations still drink blood and have done so for thousands of years.

Or even look at chimpanzees our closest relatives which hunt and eat meat too.

By all means dont eat meat if you have ethical problems with it, but dont pretend it is something inmical to our natures.
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>>35729484
Using /b/s as slaves to make honey for greedy unethical humans is morally bankrupt and akin to gassing Jews in concentration camps
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>>35729489
Only if you keep crying for me, bae ;^°
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>>35729387
It's not about the meat or health to me, but I just really don't want to turn into a huge faggot that goes around wearing "vegan badass" shirts, walking around trying to make everyone uncomfortable

Maybe one day I'll come to the conclusion of being vegan on my own, but I don't want to do it because of some bandwagon/YouTube faggots
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>>35729498
>The thing with veganism is that it's obviously morally superior to meat based diets.

Nice meme.
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>>35729495
Science proves me right? I've never said that and I'm not a vegan lol I fuckin hate Vegans, I'm a vegetarian either, eat some beef you whiny bitch
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>>35729489
Okay.

For any serious/actual vegans who are serious about wanting to convert people, once again I invite you to:

1. Tell me why egg whites are unhealthy.
2. Tell me why honey is unhealthy.

I'll wait. Again, I'm fair.
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>>35729422
>shitload of pills
>1
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>>35729511
its not a meme
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>>35729516
>take one pill
>vitamins are replenished for the rest of your life
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>>35729514
Veganism has always been about ethical values, it's never always been about diet, diet is only a small part of what being vegan is, vegans don't wear leather or use animal tested products, they protest against live animal circuses etc. Diet is only a very small part of being vegan.
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>>35729533
Well then you're just retarded.

>everyone thinks the way i do
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>>35729501
thank you perfectly-logical-and-reasonably-vegan-man
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>>35729548
This thread is about diet.

My post was about diet.

Appeal to a pitfall in diet when explaining to me why I should abstain from egg whites and honey and I'll happily do so.

Are you just admitting there are none?
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>>35729512
>responds with butthurt
>calls someone else a whiny bitch

Already had a pork chop. I'm good.
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>>35729464
Why fish unhealthy?
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Just report and sage. Only you can stop the green gains goblin.
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>>35729415
I personally am a casual vegetarian. Still have my eggs, honey and occasional cream/yogurt. On a rare occasional I'll treat myself to some meat if I'm in a nice restaurant or such. I only miss lean meat and I don't care for pig-meat (ie pork) at all.
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>>35729563
Of course there aren't any, only an ethical point, one I disagree with

>I'm not vegan
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>>35729597
You thought I was being serious with the chickens doing 8 hour arm workout and taking 10 scoops, and you call me a retard haha
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>>35729563
None that I can think off.Adopting a fully vegan diet stems a lot from the ethical portion because obviously there are going to be animal products that have little to no harmful effects.That's not to say all vegan diets are inherently unhealthy but that the possibility for a non vegan diet to be healthy is there,unlike many vegans would suggest.
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>>35729563
You shouldn't, you should eat whole fucking eggs, bacon, steak, and ham. Since you're eating eggs anyway, go for the whole chicken too. Have some honey, it's good for you, but EAT MEAT you little bitch. There, there's that additional (You) you've been clamoring for.
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>>35729448
dude, eggs are the chickens period
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>>35729387
kill yourself
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>>35729689
Still no excuse to make them take steroids and drink 10 scoops though is it
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He has been vegan for 2-3 and lifting for around 7.

If his diet was superior he could bench more than 185lbs. Even with shitty programing he should of broke through beginner strength gains on his lifts. I could put money on it that if he ate animal protein his lifts would go up.

Put aside how you feel about animals for a moment. There is no one diet for anyone and clearly he doesn't thrive on being a vegan. Being a vegan gets him money, it doesn't get him a stronger, healthier body.
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>>35729766

>Doesn't get him a healthier body.

You're wrong though. He would probably get bigger on an omnivore diet but bigger doesn't mean healthier. Veganism and predominantly plant-based diets are the healthiest. You should check out the documentary Forks over Knives.
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>>35729825
that's why he made what little gains he has eating meat and dairy. He looks the exact same from being vegan and not vegan. He has been maintaining now for years because lack of protein
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>>35729476
>Why are egg whites unhealthy?

Google IGF-1. It's the reason why no vegan worth their salt recommends eating a lot of tofu too.
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>>35729478
>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract

kek

>"Supported by the National Dairy Council (PWS-T and RMK)"
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If you need a proof that meat makes you stupid, you need only look at Argentina.
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>>35729703
but how else are you gonna get mutant chickens though?
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>>35730191
>Google IGF-1

>IGF-1 is a hormone similar in molecular structure to insulin. It plays an important role in childhood growth and continues to have anabolic effects in adults. A synthetic analog of IGF-1, mecasermin, is used for the treatment of growth failure.

???
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>>35730356
fuck you
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>>35729448
jej
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>>35729825
>basing life choices on a documentary
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Plants are produced just as unnaturally as meat is.

Hundreds of years of selective breeding.
Huge monocultures destroy country-side.
Grown under plastic foil.
Gene manipulation.
Pesticides and Fungicides.
Destroying the ground with manure and copper.

But most of all it is not natural. No vegan in the world could survive without globalization. If we weren't able to supplement our diet with beans, corn, couscous, etc. veganism would literally be impossible.
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>healthiest

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23836264 top kek, eat fish paco
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>>35730215
>>35730215
>implying skim milk and low fat yogurts and cheeses aren't the dairy industry's biggest sellers
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>>35730391

Your google skills are shit: http://europepmc.org/articles/pmc3988204
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>>35729387
>go vegan

no thanks brah.
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>>35729387
These trolls are getting better and better
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>>35729387
Humans evolved to eat meat and to thrive eating meat.
Unless you are trying to make a moral argument because of the conditions animals are raised in your point is entirely invalid.
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>>35730954
Bruh. Delete that please.
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>>35731023
>mirin the power of vegetables
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>>35730936
I'm not the guy you replied to just now, but I was the one who initially asked why egg whites are unhealthy.

I've read the summary and highlights and skimmed through the rest. It's criticism of an overall high protein intake, not egg whites.

>Because protein restriction reduces GHR-IGF-1 activity
Well, for you to say egg whites are unhealthy doesn't align with that journal. Excessive egg white intake is unhealthy according to it, which was never my point.

Why are egg whites unhealthy?
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If I adopted a vegan diet,
and I'm pretty sure I know enough about nutrition and cooking right now to be able to do it without being reliant on supplements, and without going anywhere near tofu,
I would still never call myself vegan.

Veganism is a lifestyle, not a diet, and it is one which is populated by people like greenman stains, that australian fruitfucker, and the sort of people who march into a restaurant to cry while talking about chicken "rape" then chant like cultists.
And I don't think I'm quite ready for that particular brand of crazy.


Plus, I don't actually give a fuck about the moral arguments behind veganism, and would be happy to slaughter and butcher my own meat.
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>REMEMBER TO SAGE AND REPOT ALL SELF PROMO THREADS WlTH VEGlKUCK BULLSHlT

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>>35729563
Honey really isn't neccessary for any diet, it is practically just sugar, which you should be getting through fruits ideally.

Egg whites are okay I guess, even though animal protein itself has been linked to some forms of cancer.
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>>35731047
>this can be you anon
>get all your aminos via beans and peas
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VG still shills here?
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>>35729703
>tfw no one gives you free steroids and protein in exchange for your waste
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>>35729387
>WHY DIDN'T YOU GO VEGAN JANUARY 1ST?
Because I like to wear leather.
>stupid faggots that don't know the difference between vegan and vegetarian
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>>35729501
>/b/s
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>>35729451
Ayyy
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>>35729548
Not even old leather? Seems wasteful.
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The vegan diet is perfectly fine... IF you're a normie that doesn't work out.

I've been lifting for 6 years and went vegan for 3 months last year.

My thoughts:
>there is no vegan food that is "all proteins" (ie: egg whites).
This is a major problem. If it's late at night and you need more proteins to fill your macros, you have no choice but to also consume carbs or fat. Inb4 tofu, fuck that.

>my recuperation between sessions was shit.
I had to switch from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days. I would go to the gym thinking I'm gonna have a killer back/biceps workout, only to realize my arms were still sore from chest/tricep the day before. I'm pretty sure this is because vegan proteins are less complete and therefore less efficient for recovery/building muscle

>you end up hating anyone that's not vegan

After vegan, I switchef to keto which is equally bad because you have no energy to perform in the gym. I'm not mad at vegan for 3 months of losing gains, I learned a ton of new recipes.

I'm currently on a custom paleo/wholefood diet with no whey no dairies, and it's working fine. I eat a ton of vegetables and get most of my proteins from egg whites and fish. Red meat twice a week
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>>35731179
Sugar doesn't have antioxidants, polyphenols, vitamins and minerals. There aren't millions of pages touting the nutritional benefits of sugar for a reason. There are a bunch of pages touting the benefits of honey for a reason. It isn't unhealthy.

I'm still waiting for anyone to show me why either of them are unhealthy and I will quit eating them. It's easy for me to change a habit overnight. Just link me to something peer reviewed and respectable.
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>>35731279
>no one cares
>the post
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okd3vFUwqj4
This is your brain on veganism
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I have a friend who went vegan on new years. He has claimed that he has lost 15 pounds (without exercising) all while eating more calories than before. I told him that is a scientific anomaly. Then he told basically told me I was an idiot meathead and that it was because bodies digest vegan foods better.

Is there any truth to this or is he being fed lies?
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>>35731204
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>>35729387

I bet these vegan threads are all started by one guy who isn't even a vegan
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>>35731318

thx for you constructive post
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>>35731341
These are all started by VG, who is literally insane.
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>>35731279
>vegan proteins
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>>35730954
whats wrong with his chest? He looks like an old man
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>>35729429

Few athletes care more about health than they do about performance .
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>>35731329
maybe he lost a ton of waterweight. after i decreased my meat intake and cut out dairy completely last year, i lost a significant amount too, despite having lots of calories through fruit/veggies. maybe it's due to the fiber.
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>>35731455
Caught u mirin XD
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>>35731484
sick photoshop skills brah
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>>35729501
>Gassing Jews in concentration camps
>Morally bakrupt
bankrupt like the kikes make our countries?
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>>35730215
Explain how saturated fats are unhealthy if consumed at normal levels.

That's like me saying fruit is unhealthy because sugar is bad for you consumed en masse.
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>>35731497
Thanks Richard
Over 9000 hours on ms paint
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>>35730991
this is literally the truth.
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>>35729415

carnivores dont eat muscular tissue they only eat the vitamin rich organ meat and fat of an animal
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If you stop eating meat because of "moral" reasons then you are a beta pussy who gets cucked by their imaginary gf.
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>>35731524
Actually humans only began to thrive in the world when they learned how to be subsistence farmers sooooo....
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>>35729501

Bees and humans have been in a symbiotic relationship for millennia. The bees get protection from other predators and we get honey. It is a win-win as far as I'm concerned.

Further more, if vegan cared about sustainability they would move out to the country and help build sustainable farm. Most vegans I've met are corporate shills living in cities who consume a bunch of bullshit. They don't even follow the ethical guidelines of veganism proudly eating from places that serve and prep meat in the same area.

Your body needs animal proteins but not nearly as much as Americans generally consume.
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Jesus Christ, vegans on /fit/ are just as annoying as vegans in real life.
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Because I don't want to be weak as fuck like VG
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>>35731657
what does that have to do with the human body evolving towards absorbing nutrients via meat, rather than plant sources?
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>>35731742
But that's wrong

Example: Italy and their life expectancy
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>>35731691
they are all the same man...
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>>35731853
wrong?
alright might be that humans have always had more difficulty absorbing nutrients from plant sources than from animal sources. huge chunks of the population are genetically designed that way.
also, life expectancy is a whole different issue.
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>>35729478

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/2/458.full.pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/91/3/497.full

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Tx9dCbv-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wi9dzkTiU4
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>>35729448

>ethics
>morality
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>>35731506

What does normal levels mean? Anyway

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490&page=422

>A UL is not set for saturated fatty acids because any incremental increase in saturated fatty acid intake increases CHD risk.

>>That's like me saying fruit is unhealthy because sugar is bad for you consumed en masse.

It's not like that at all actually, because fruit sugar in virtually any amount is deemed safe as it doesn't come with the health problems associated with refined sugars
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>>35731112
I'm with you. I do feel bad for the animals I eat, but then again I also feel bad for the plants. It seems wrong to me that any life should have to be taken for another to live, but that's the world we live in, right? I avoid eating animal products unless I'm like, at a steak house with colleagues, or someone makes a nice meal for me. All living beings are precious, but my dietary preferences shouldn't take priority over the feelings of people I care about (although I still struggle with accepting sweets or even having a slice of birthday cake here and there.)

The lines get blurred when one considers all of the animal products we use for medicine, cosmetics, and other industries besides food and agriculture. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of vegans still take medication when necessary, and if they don't then they are probably dead vegans now. Everyone draws their own line, and I'm glad that people share information and discuss their boundaries like we are doing here. It fuels scientific discovery and provides an opportunity for novel experiences to anyone with an open mind.

I'm so over biology, though. Post-biological society when?
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>>35732074
>babbies first immoralist philosophy
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>>35732153

Great post my property.

Fred was nothing without Max.
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>i care about animals that literally have no intelligence whatsoever
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>>35731310
>antioxidants, polyphenols, vitamins and minerals
>le honey is healthy meme

Honey is certainly "healthier" than sugar, but let's not pretend that anyone is replacing all instances of sugar in their diet with honey. At the end of the day, when you eat honey you're still eating 80% sugar by weight mixed with water. The mineral content is virtually nonexistent: 0.17%! The trace amounts of polyphenolic compounds are a byproduct of the plants which bees use to make the actual honey. Eat the plants instead if you want to see health benefits.
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>>35732361
Fuck, just realized this sounds like a vegan shill post. I don't care what anyone else chooses to eat, I just don't want anyone to pretend like honey isn't basically expensive wet sugar.
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>>35732202
Your mom still cares about you despite your complete lack of intelligence
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>>35729550
avoiding an industry because of it kills animals for profit makes that person morally superior in that regard. Sorry that makes you feel bad.
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>>35731368
Lmao
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>>35729766
>everybody trains to be a powerlifter
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>>35730991
then where are the physiological and psychological adaptation to eating meat?
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>>35729451
Underrated
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>>35729387
I actually enjoy posts like these. Get everyone to go vegan & look like shit, whilst i'll be over here making gains.
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>>35731650
> im alfa cus i have no morals xD
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>>35731701
then dont train mostly endurance like VG
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>>35732202
> my compassion is based on my estimate of intelligence
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>>35732497
i bet you look like shit
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>2016
>people still taking vegans seriously
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>>35732579
What makes you so sure?
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>>35732623
Not the guy you replied to, but I also bet you do.

If you show you don't, I'll sincerely apologize. But then again, we're on a board full of permanently bulking fatfucks who scoff at aesthetics who are on SS and IIFYM with shit nutrition value. The chances you look good aren't high.
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>>35729514
Vegan here.
There are no negative health inpacts from eggs whites or honey which i am aware of.
I avoid all egg products due to how disgusting the eggs industry is. Even free-frange is a crock of shit that is 1) owned by companies that also sell caged eggs 2)sends chickens to slaughter as soon as their egg production decreases 3)blend 1000s of male chicks alive for being 'useless'. In saying that i dont see anything wrong with buying eggs off aunty Betty up the road or owning your own chickens that you allow to live to old age

As for honey i dont believe there is any reason to avoid it. Insects are hardly the same as other animals and literally live on instinct. Bee hives are not even killed for harvest. plus the bee industry needs our help and does not contribute to the rape of our environment.
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>>35732656
uugh can't you just apologise so I don't have to upload a pic and show you vegan fags up
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>>35732696
I'm not vegan.

Once again, I'll apologize if you show me I'm wrong. Once again, we're on a board full of permanently bulking fatfucks who scoff at aesthetics who are on SS and IIFYM with shit nutrition value. The chances you look good aren't high.
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>>35732611
>2016
> still doing what society says and making fun of those who dont want to fuck with animals
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>>35732692
>There are no negative health inpacts from eggs whites or honey which i am aware of.
As I thought. Thanks for being honest.
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>>35732696
with timestamp
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>>35730954
He is not a bodybuilder, his main hobby is cycling...
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>>35732744
id research and not just take anons advice...
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>>35732762
I already have. That's why I don't eat meat. That's why I'm inviting anyone to show me why egg whites and honey are unhealthy. Nothing I've found on my own suggests to me that I should stop consuming them. If someone wants to exhaust a resource I haven't come by that proves otherwise, I welcome it.
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>>35732750
bruh I'm in bed, recovering from a hangover, I'm bloated. I have no energy to get a pump, get some good lighting and take a pic. I will upload a month old pic, if i can find it.
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>>35732788
yeah didnt think you would deliver, just stop posting.
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>>35730954
If being vegan makes me that small I'm pretty sure I'm not interested.
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>>35732788
Nice cop-out.

>hangover
Proof you eat/drink like shit

>I have no energy to get a pump
Proof you eat/drink like shit

>get some good lighting
You wouldn't need good lighting if you looked good. Proof you eat/drink like shit.

>I will upload a month old pic
No you won't, because you never looked good, because you eat/drink like shit.
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>>35732806
There you go my darling. Eat your meat & veggies!
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>>35732824
he looks better than most people on the streets by far. You just have body image issues.
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>>35732832
not the guy you replied to but a timestamp was asked of you
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>>35732832
timestamp.
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>inferior animals kill each other for food and territory all the time
>we, part of the greatest animal race on Earth that can do pretty much everything we want and should reign over the planet can't kill animals though for whatever reason, even though they don't and can't give a shit about us
If you think you're getting healthier then OK, but if you're a vegan for ethical reasons you're just a faggot.
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>>35730526
There are local choices that can be made, but honestly, you're completely right. And this is a vegan talking. Agriculture is a sick puppy on both sides of the coin. As soon as I have enough money, I'm going to be as self sufficient as possible. It takes hard work and not just buying decisions to be truly sustainable.
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>>35732856
alright alright lemme get a pen
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>>35732881
so why the fuck should we act like "inferior" animals, retard.
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>>35732744
No worries. I cant stand my fellow vegan extremists that claim any animal product will give you cancer when eaten in normal portions. Animal products should be avoided because of the cruelty around it, the rape of our environment and simply in this country, day and age is completely unnecessary and not required for survival.
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>>35732914
I appreciate the level-headed approach.

Again, just the health is relevant to me, but now that we're past that, have a look here:

http://www.burnbraefarms.com/ourfarmers/animal_care.htm

That's the source of my egg whites. Do you folks ultimately think no farms treat them reasonably well? If not, what's the criteria?
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>>35732901
A predator is superior to his prey and eats it. We are the greatest animal race on Earth, we should be able to do anything we want to the other animals, and I and many others want meat.
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>>35732975
There are no guarantees when dealing with mass farming. Everyone and their nan promotes their farming methods as ethical.
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>>35732856
Is this sufficient m'lord?
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>>35733018
i could be pedantic and ask for a proper pic, but its clear you are in shape
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>>35729422
You are probably the type of guy that takes a daily multi, ZMA, fishoil, D3 and fatburner. Where as i take 4 vitamin b12 tablets a week. But if i wanted to be super duper natural i could just stop washing my vegtables since vitamin b12 is produced by bacteria that is present in the dirt around the roots of vegtables and does not occure 'naturally' in animals at all.
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>>35733018
>Covers up his tummy
Great job. How about zooming out, buddy?
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>>35733033
But then I'd have to refuse as i've gone up 5% in bf since the first photo kek
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>>35733042
>tummy
kek. What are you 12?
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>>35733045
It's obvious you're fat. You go through the trouble of taking a pic with a timestamp and you cover half of it with clothing and crop out the rest.

A timestamp of someone who's trying to hide his fat. Brilliant.
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>>35733056
It's a gentle way of calling you a fattie, sweetheart. Nice cropping skills.
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>>35733018
How about you turn around and let me see what you have back there
no homo
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>>35733067
Look at that chest son, does that look like fat to you?
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>>35733038
>this guy doesn't need D3 supplementation
>EVEN THOUGH he doesn't eat fish, the "natural" way humans got D-vit before agriculture

And don't even try to say you're out a lot. You look sickly, I doubt you even leave your house
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>>35729547
>being this stupid
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>>35733087
vit-d is through sunlight.
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>>35733082

even i can tell he has half a paunch
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>>35733075
Ayyy c'mon mate, surely 15% bodyfat doesn't count as fat? I thought i was husband mode
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>>35733108
I've got the top two abs, and some fat around the bottom
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>>35733114
>husband mode
that's the /fit/ version of HAES

thanks for the admission. pretty obvious why you cropped half the pic out and covered the remaining half in clothes.
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>>35733104
top kek m8
enjoy losing your test
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>>35732975
Seems like a comfortable nice place for these chickens. I am wishfull all the employees are kind people that will not abuse the chickens out of frustration when they are in the way or "not going where they are supposed to" .i hope they are not all sent to slaughter after 12 months when their egg production drops and i just cant agree with the kiling of male chicks for the simple sin of being born a male.
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>>35733134
My phone camera is shit, it takes photos in square mode. & bruh i'm wearing a robe and nothing else. No homo
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>>35733160
>making excuses for leaving for 12 minutes for a picture and returning with a half-clothed and half-cropped upper body and admitting you're fat after several exchanges
You can go now
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>>35733191
y-you too..
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>>35733191
Awwww don't be like that bby gal. I genuinely couldn't find the usb cable. & If you really think I'm fat, maybe I should cut. Shit. From those two pics shown, do I really look that fat?
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>>35733256
no you fucking dont, please leave this place its fucking with your image issues.
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>>35733270
Too late mate I'm triggered.
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>>35733292
dont listen to those malnurished vegan dyels.
>you are fine just the way you are sugar
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>>35729500
>By all means dont eat meat if you have ethical problems with it, but dont pretend it is something inmical to our natures.
Increased animal agriculture is destroying earth.
Also it effects your health. There is literally no reason to eat meat other than to shorten your life span and to ruin the earth.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-destructive_behavior
Either people are just willingly buying into the crap that meat and dairy is necessary or self destructive behavior became(or was from the beginning) the norm.
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>>35733827
It's obviously the norm.

>go out kill gains with booze and drugs
>take shortcuts and roid when making gains
>IIFYM diet high in red meat and sat fat like good goy
>cry down anyone who doesn't conform to self destructive behaviour
>male crab bucket behaviour

No?
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>>35729429
Arian Foster went vegan AFTER the best year of his career year. He's been dog shit since, can't run, no strength, always injured.... vegan is for flakes and fruits.
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>>35731310
shut the fuck up already, you obviously want to try veganism, so just fucking do it
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>>35729548
when you eat the crops that need forests and natural grasslands cleared to grow, does it bother you that you're reducing the biodiversity of the planet, that the ethical vegan foods you eat are transported over long distances and packaged using industrial practices that are destroying ecosystems globally, including animals that may or may not go extinct? The pollution created to get you your food is destroying animals now, and its persistent nature means that it will destroy animals in the future? Do you know that electricity is generated using largely environmentally damaging methods, computer-user? Do you eat the shit that grows within walking or biking distance? If not, then you aren't going to make it. Your ethics seem to be based on arbitrary levels of animal death. Pretty weak.
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>>35731310
There.
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>>35732497
>Frank Medrano
>Jon Venus
>Patrick Baboumian
>Jim Morris
They are definitely weak and look like shit bruh
A personal opinion though, weight lifting is fucking pointless unless you care that much how you look naked. I would prefer being more flexible and being able to do crazy shit with just my bodyweight, like Frank Medrano.
tldr no one gives a shit bout your bench press and bitches are more impressed by one hand chinups instead
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>>35735420
jo
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The image in the OP answers the question the OP asks
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>>35735420
I agree with your personal opinion, anon.
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>>35735467
that roid acne
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>>35735175
Most of the land used for crops is based to feed the animals in the ever growing meat industry, not for human consume, boo
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>>35730470
Better than basing them on a 4chan board
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>>35735678
That's not what I'm talking about. Veganism for ethical reasons is about preventing needless animal death. But veganism in our society most likely involves unnecessary animal death. SO if the ethics involved are about preventing needless animal death, then vegans are pretty shitty at holding to them 100%, so their arguments seem pretty dumb to me. Animal agriculture is shitty for environment too, but burying your head in the sand and saying that harvesting plants doesn't hurt animals is 100% delusional.
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>>35729387
Friendly reminder that only meat has carnosine in it, which helps keep our skin wrinkle-free and our brains from deteriorating. Friendly reminder to eat your meat every 5.5 hours.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15941308
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosine
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>>35731341
Because there can't possibly be more than one person interested in vegetarianism or veganism on a fitness board
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>>35732982
You sound dumb
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>>35735715
It's about trying to do the less damage to animals and the planet, I don't know why you're so triggered about people's efforts and defensive about your unsustainable food choices
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Daily reminder that vegans are science illiterate and depend on cherry picking flawed, motivated, observational studies to reinforce their incorrect worldview.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/
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>>35735722

The reason it's in meat is because animals make it. Humans are animals and make it as well.

>>35735849

What about your article is supposed to demonstrate that?
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>>35735330

>Quoting a "doctor" who died at 69, and was a complete loony-bin supporter of taking no medicine, herbal or man-made.
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>>35729387
>the consensus among most anthropology experts

Speculation by the vegetarian Wrangham isn't 'most anthropology experts'. This pseud child doesn't have any education, he is just mindlessly parroting things from crass popsci articles he found on vegan subreddits while jerking off over how enlightened he feels. Absolutely disgusting.
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>>35729484
I keep bees and I see it as trade. I give them shelter, protection, medicine and food when y need it.
I get part of their honey every few m8nths.

win/win
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>>35735888
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15941308
>No plasma carnosine was detected in subjects before the consumption of the beef.
>Carnosine was detected in plasma 15 min after beef consumption
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>>35736872

That's plasma carnosine, carnosine circulating in the blood. Tissue that requires carnosine synthesizes it at the site, not needing to be transported by blood. Obviously if you eat it, it's going to go through your circulatory sytem until it's filtered out but this doesn't imply that no carnosine is present in the body when it's not detected in plasma.
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>>35735702
This is actually not true. The documentary is loaded with bias and comes with no alternative opinions or evidence. 4chan at least has a shitload of people disagreeing with every bit of info. Some of that disagreement is logical and founded upon evidence and thus we learn something new. FYI: Forks Over Knives is a crock of shit.
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