I've been approaching lately and I've been getting rejected.
Approaching hardly works. The most I got out of it was overcoming my approach anxiety and their phone numbers. It never got passed that. If you want to meet women, then it's best to do it through social circles.
>>35686063 >Mystery jesus christ. That shit was good for picking up drunk club sluts in the 90s.
having said that, there are ways to be more social and be better with women through reading and practice just like any other skill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY3rT2N1Ecs Simple Pickup, Real Social Dynamics, Rational Male, and Puerarchy/Theredpill are all decent sites. torrent it and let it play while you are working on something else.
>>35689022 >implications is this place r9k? PUAs are bullshit, they pretend to get all the girls so you buy their scammy book that just says "just be yourself" nigga those bald motherfuckers could have all the game in the world and still would not score on anything
/trp/ is just a bunch of neoreactionary neckbeards who suck at life despite being given every advantage who spend their days jacking off to each other's rape fantasies and complaining about ethics in video game journalism.
>>35689498 that's what you like to think, because changing your face is out of your control (other than following a proper diet, good hygene, roiding up, and surgery). in reality, it's all checks and balances, a godlike face would make it easier (duh), but you're simplifying too much, and losing relevant nuance here. God-face wins on tinder, but a fitizen shouldn't have any trouble there either. In real life, not so much, social cues matter a lot more. The first social cue you're missing out on: a good face can be enough for some sluts. Find a girl focused on physical appearance and maybe a bit on the trashy side, and a good face, being tall, abs, will be enough.
>>35689564 afraid? no kek The majority of the world right now is SJW+feminists. I'd say approx 70% of earths population is on that team. And they're destroying society. Give it 15-20 years, you'll see. There's no stopping it, there are too many beta males following the feminist tune, and it's only growing because of the influence it already has in laws etc.
I'm just lifting and keeping my eyes open. Makes me harder to kill.
>>35689630 you must be Austrailian >AGREE WITH OUR POSTMODERN BULLSHIT OR WELL GET YOU FIRED SHITLORD WE ARENT AUTHORITARIAN. IF YOU DONT WANT YOUR DAUGHTERS RAPED BY MUSLIMS, WE'LL HAVE YOU ARRESTED FOR BEING A NAZI how can you believe this bullshit?
feminism has always been fat ugly cunts with penis envy. They fail as women so they try to act like men. They always fail. That's why after decades of bowing to them they still think society is out to get women.
>>35689620 if this isnt bait, i hate feminists because they repeat lies over and over and over until people believe their retarded ideology and it works >wage gap >rape culture >campus sexual assault crisis none of these are supported by empirical evidence but because they keep putting it all over the media, most people believe them to be real issues
Yes, because I actually go outside and interact with people in real life rather than experiencing the world through reddit. I know a bunch of feminist women, mostly through an anti sexual assault campaign a girl that I was banging was a big part of on campus. The majority of them were very fun to hang out with and very intelligent.
I don't get it. Why do you guys read this shit? Seriously? It messes up your natural ability. I've never had problems with women, and I've never read that shit either. When you read that garbage that someone is spewing, that could be all lies, you're basically doing as they do instead of doing as you do...
Seriously, be yourself and the women will come. Don't go buying that shit or reading any of that rationalmale shit. I honestly think it ruins bros. You're so insecure and down on yourself you look to anyone who can give you the answers (pua,rationalmale,simplepickup,etc) and all of that is BULLSHIT. Picking up women should be natural because it's literally in your genes to do so. Your grandfather, and his father, and his and his and his got laid without reading a bunch of shit spewed aimed at neckbeards and nerds. So stop being a neckbeard and nerd and get up, go out, and get a fucking woman.
>>35689698 You're implying that /fit/ isn't 90% bitter losers who took up lifting when they started college because the stacy's in high school weren't attracted to them because they were ugly, unkempt and socially inept
>>35689695 do you not read the news? Have you not seen what has been happening on Universities across the US and UK? feminists dont give a shit about women or they would be speaking out against Cologne and Rotherham and various other sex gangs/mass rapes currently happening instead of bitching about Whey ads with bikinis on them and bouncing asses in video games. They are an anti-western cult. that's why they hate white men so much. they are just losers. that's the only way to put it.
>>35689703 I dont disagree feminists are women who want to act like men MRAs are men who want to act like women
>>35689584 >The majority of the world right now is SJW+feminists. I'd say approx 70% of earths population is on that team m8 most of the world doesn't have the fucking internet and are more concerned about having food and shelter.
>>35689698 Not everyone is good at talking to women like you are. You see it from that perspective, but look at it from the perspective of people who suck with women. Naturally, they'd want to get better at it, right? Advice like "be yourself" doesn't work because there's no steps involves. You have a destination without a map. PUA is a step towards that destination. It encourages you to take control of your life, and make changes. It helps you to overcome anxiety in social situations. Eventually you score big, then fuck it up because you were acting like a sick cunt, but never actually became one. Then you move on to the next steps.
>>35689729 not her, but women respond to tingles you give them. There are shortcuts to tingles: >being tall >having a 10/10 face >being rich >having a good body For everyone else, you can give her tingles by being bold and funny and confident and all that shit.
the face can be a shortcut, but you can still compete.
In my case that's like telling someone to solve differential equations who has never seen a derivative or an integral before. If you don't have any knowledge or experience and have been conditioned all your life to do the opposite it's not "in your genes", you just don't know what to do. The concept of asking a girl out on a date where you have to spend money and resources and pretend you are interested in her was foreign to me (and still kind of is desu - why would I want to hang out with some stupid bitch I just want to put my dick in?).
>Your grandfather, and his father, and his and his and his got laid without reading a bunch of shit spewed aimed at neckbeards and nerds.
>>35689751 >>being rich >>having a good body are you new here? becuase we've gone over this tired and worn out meme time and time again. girls dont get a fucking 'tingle' because of a nice car or big house. they think "oh i am going to milk the shit out of this ugly faggot" and bam, leech for sex mode initiated.
the good body meme is also redundant, if it wasn't, this thread wouldn't exist and majority of /fit/ wouldn't be as sad and lonley as we are. so, please, normie, do us a favor and leave (save yourself). or better yet, just kill yourself
>>35689725 I don't disagree with you. Internet feminists on tumblr are fucking losers. But you know who else is a fucking loser? Retards that believe that this shit is 'taking over the world' just like every retarded conspiratard that buys into whatever bullshit Alex Jones is peddling just because it fits into their bigoted/fearful narrative
Go outside. This shit does not matter. It makes the news because idiots on both sides will eat it the fuck up. "The news" is a very good way to make your life shit because they only give a shit about scaremongering and pandering.
>>35689729 I agree that your face matters, but have to disagree on the degree. On Tinder, it matters a lot, you're judging people by a pic or two, but a shirtless abs pic would have a comparable success. In real life, it still matters, but reading and leaving the right signals, at least in my experience, is more important, because it doesn't just help you hit on girls scattershot and get better results, but helps you understand the dynamics at hand, and getting shit wrong, or giving the wrong message, IMX is what fucks guys up.
>>35689771 Do SS, learn how to count calories and macros, then do a longish cut. It's actually easy, if you are just a bit organized.
>>35689832 >only much less successful financially eh, your dad lived during the bull market. an invest-and-forget fund indexed to the market would have made bank in those days, it's not really a fair comparison.
>>35689834 >On Tinder, it matters a lot, you're judging people by a pic or two, but a shirtless abs pic would have a comparable success. bull. a guy with a god face can get upward 300 matches ina week. a faggot with abs can get possibly 30 within that week, from some fucking fatties too btw.
>but reading and leaving the right signals, at least in my experience, is more important, because it doesn't just help you hit on girls scattershot and get better results, but helps you understand the dynamics at hand, and getting shit wrong, or giving the wrong message, IMX is what fucks guys up.
im nt exactly sure wht the fuck u are talking about but it sounds like u know u have a good face but u lack confidence so ur trying to convince me that your face didnt really help u in the end. and to that, i say shut the fuck because if u have a good face, u can say probbly anything as long as it isnt far out there, and get laid. ur prbbly ugly too, u faggot. kill yourself.
Sorry man, but that's a big fucking pussyfied copout instead of taking personal responsibility. Times change but people are still the same people that were before them. Everyone is exactly the same, we just have different venues of communication. Really, this lifetimes is the EASIEST to find and get a woman because of all the internet and shit. You can literally post a pic of yourself shirtless on tinder and have 10 matches, and be fucking by the end of the week. You can meet chicks on facebook through fucking mutual friends. OKC,POF...the list goes fucking forever. The internet and our connection to it makes it so easy to connect with women it's unreal.
I have a buddy who is all into that whole pua and "trying to run game" thing. I keep telling him to stop reading and getting into it because it'll just ruin him but he won't listen. He tries to hard to "run game" on chicks instead of just getting them and hasn't gotten laid in the longest time because of it. I do my best to help, but he won't listen. He has the crutch of sosuave and pua because he thinks if he does what they are saying right, it'll land him a chick. I keep telling him leave that bullshit alone and just be himself, but he won't listen. I don't know what to do man.
>>35689051 People make fun of "peacocking" but look at the bald guy (Style)'s options.
He's short as shit, he's balding like crazy, he's a nerd.
So he shaves his head, gets a tan, grows a goatee and yes, he's PURPOSEFULLY wearing gaudy flashy clothing.
Now these serves two purposes: gives girls who might want to talk to him a brain dead icebreaker, so every girl in the club interested in him that he might never know about, he has those checked.
Also you have to realize he's *gasp* a legitimately cool and interesting guy, it's just that nobody in a club looks past your outward appearence, so he makes it something funny, gets their guard down, and talks to them. From there it's just the cool nerd inside talking to the (probably insecure) pretty girl. Make fun of them if you want, they have had more success with women than you or I ever will.
The numbers don't lie. Feel free to play sour grapes all you want.
>>35689917 There you go again with useless advice lol. I'm way past that point, don't worry about me. I've learned how to talk to women. It started with PUA, eventually I stopped caring as much and now I'm just good at making friends with anyone. But it takes skills just like everything else.
>>35689736 Honestly this post pisses me off. I didn't spend the first 26 years of my life as a virgin, unsuccessful with women, to have you guys turn on me as a "normie" because I'm happy now and successful.
YOU CAN DO IT TOO.
Your father, his father, and his father, and every male in your bloodline without a single exception has raised children. Chances are you will, too.
There are people in this world that would have KILLED for your chance at life. People with gross handicaps, legitimate disfigurements. Tell the guy with half a face that "I'm ugly, girls don't like me because of my face."
You just make excuses.
Make it or don't, it's up to you. But it can be done.
>>35689878 I am handsome and won't deny it, but I'm taking in account the experiences of my friends too (that's quite a varied group, from academics to actors). Even those that consider themselves ugly motherfuckers, usually just aren't working their good sides and minimizing their bad ones, or are trying to impress the wrong girl in the wrong way (btw, bitch please, it's realpolitiks here, fat girls don't count). Having a good face makes it a lot easier, because it counts AND you don't have to work for it. Everything else, from working out to finding the right way to get the spotlight on you, to the way you dress and the girls you've picked, takes effort, and you're trying to minimize the effect that effort has, to rationalize not bothering about it. Tough luck, man. A good face isn't manna from heaven, social recognition goes further.
>>35689917 >There's nothing to be good at bro! Seriously, just go talk to them You strike me as one of those guys who tells people with depression to just get over it. Because if I had just done what came naturally I'd still be sitting at home in front of my pc every weekend.
I read a bit of that PUA stuff and at least for the stuff that wasn't garbage, it seems to mostly aim at exactly what you're talking about. If you think about it yourself and don't just follow blindly what some random dude tells you it might open up new possibilities or ways of thinking for you.
> I'm taking in account the experiences of my friends too (that's quite a varied group, from academics to actors).
This is the height of delusion.
You are a high social capital person in a high social capital circle of people
You don't want to admit you just won the genetic lottery as it might mean you're warm fuzzies will leave you, so you conjure up some silliness about everyone being able to do the same shit you do.
People vary in height, this is genetic. Weight, this is genetic (sorry /fit/ but it's true.) Intelligence, this is genetic.
But you won't accept that social skills are innate? That attractiveness is innate?
Look, social skills are something we all practice every single day, every one of us. It's integral to social status, which is essentially what 99.9 percent of us aim for in life. From this practise, a clear divison between people occurs. What's so hard to understand, if we had people do sprints or maths tests we wouldn't' be surprised if there were some winners and some losers?
>>35690127 I think you're missing my point, which is much simpler. It all started with the face, not with genetics taken as a single entity (then, I'd have to say that intelligence and mental health, which are strongly genetic, trump everything, as they touch your social skills, finances, behaviour, physical aspect, all your person really), that I don't consider as important as a number of other factors, and since it's a lot harder to work on, almost impossibly so compared to just hard as fuck, than most of those factors too it's often used as a battlecry for quitters.
>>35690234 I think I mentioned SS somewhere. Between squats, deads, press, and power cleans, not to mention the optional direct abs work that does very little anyway, you'll have abs. If you want more, add in front squats.
Bro do you actually believe that bullshit? Do you honestly believe the cock carousel society we live in now is the same as the one our grandparents lived in where decent, demure women were dying to get married before they hit 25 or they'd be too old for it and they didn't just see you as a free meal while they browse Tinder? Past success through past generations means nothing in the present.
>>35690203 It could be better. I didn't win it all (that would have been awesome tho), didn't have much support from my family, and wasn't used to working hard at anything (now we know we should praise kids for hard work, it would have made quite a difference, I was reprimanded for hard work since talent was supposed to be enough). The main difference is that while logistics, specifically finances and transportation, were still life-changing, I could still get girls when I was crashing on some friend's couch (but they'll leave for better prospects, fast), and eventually found a way to support myself.
The friends that didn't leave are now a big part of my social network, and I'm still with the one girl that didn't leave, even tho she's not as hot as some of the others. I guess once you can choose, and aren't just waiting for a girl to choose you (it's a strange mindset, but pretty common), hotness isn't everything.
>>35686063 Mystery is a retarded faggot though and people should not aspire to be him
Good PUAs are >Julien Blanc >RSDTyler >Neil Strauss
Those are the only good ones I know about. However, remember that PUA is fucking dangerous. It might sound ridiculous, but you have to be mentally strong to be able to learn about PUA, otherwise it will fuck your head up
for people who are terrible with women and have been throughout their entire lives, what you're telling them is to continue being the same. it should not be difficult why "just be yourself" is taken as an insult.
>>35689919 >you can get the girl by being the guy in the club that everyone makes fun of! Yeah, because everyone wants to hook up with their weird uncle who is trapped in the 70s. He could get a pity fuck at best, and not from anyone attractive
>>35686063 I've never had a problem with women because I'm reasonably handsome and interesting. PUA seems a little weird and tryhard but I guess if you're using that shit then you need to try hard, but success is success. I'm just glad I don't need that shit.
>>35689669 You're an idiot, or blinded by the pussy. I too have banged a feminist who does social justice shit. She's hot, and a good lay, but she is so dumb when it comes to issues. When she talks about it she brick walls whenever I ask a hard question. I'm not even being a big dick when it comes out, I just ask her questions and point out inconsistencies in her politics, and it always stumps her, because the ideology is literally evil.
I don't like the old school PUA where they teach you lines and routines and shit, they never really sticked to me, but I like the RSD or Simple Pickup stuff where they just say whatever they feel like it, I don't know if it works better but it's definitely much more fun. I've had a natural friend who was not really good looking but fucking girls right and left and he didn't know anything about any pua stuff, he just went up to girls and be fun and social, that's the best game imo.
dumbass being yourself means being what you currently are without any shit added. betas walking around with confidence isnt them being themselves.
expecting neckbeards who cant read social cues to just have fun and be confident because you told them to isnt going to fucking happen because they literally dont know how and have zero positive experiences to take reference from. good pickup focuses on teaching people how to calibrate in situations and not sperg out with practice. "be yourself" is terrible awful fucking advice and is only repeated by people who never had issues being social and just assume it comes easy and naturally for everyone else.
>>35691516 Yeah but that's not really anything new. Basically all PUA does is it pretends to be this system, the system it's self is bullshit but it just gives guys who have no confidence to have some confidence and actually talk to women.
The success rate of PUA style shit is exceedingly low, but if you approach enough women and say pretty much anything, eventually youll get lucky.
>>35693456 Try finding a girl with an interest in linux then.
If you were a weeb who loved anime and cosplaying I'd tell you to find a girl who likes anime and cosplaying too.
But your gf doesn't have to have the same hobbies as you. Sometimes it's better that you don't. If they're gonna bash your hobbies they aren't worth dating.
"Being yourself" means not pretending to be something you aren't. Don't pretend that you like rock climbing because you think girls will be interested in it. Like or dislike rock climbing because you enjoy it or don't enjoy it.
"Fake it 'till you make it" is not a good strategy in dating.
>>35693456 Actually yes. But it helps to have other hobbies as well. Of course you cannot get every girl. People in general come in milion and one flavors so you won´t get along with every single one. thats completely OK. This is the reason why people usually create relationships within social circles - they interests overlap. PUAs and other kind want to sell their shitbooks so they have to monetize idea of being uberalpha who can have all the chicks. Just like Fat acceptance or HAES try to cash out on selling sweet lies. Its not about girls being all over you. That is meme from the movies and tv. Girls are shy and need to be approached.
>recently found out I'm actually handsome >6'5'' tall but not muscular, just average skinny body >when out drinking girls almost always approach me >have literally no game at all >scare away those who approach me lol >whyaretheywalkingaway.jpeg
So I read "The Game", thinking back to all different situations I've been in. It all makes sense now. Of course I won't walk around peacocked and ugly, but the "social value" system he's talking about is really gold. Like if a girl sees you with another girl it makes her want you more. Yes, girls are fucked up.
See the video if you don't want to read the entire book, and try to apply it to how you behave and your personality.
Threadly reminder that PUA is juvenile babby shit, and its practitioners only think it's good because they're completely ignorant philistines who seriously believe that they have a monopoly on social dynamics.
Learning how to get what you want out of people by reading PUA material is like clipping your workout routines out of the most recent Men's Health magazine. It technically gets you better results than just doing nothing like a chump, but any person who actually takes learning the broader subject of persuasion seriously will always be operating on an entirely different level. While you're circle-jerking about "sarge reports" they'll beat you out for the job you want, get the broad circle of friends you wish you had, and then in the end take the bitch you want practically as an afterthought.
Reminder that Simple Pickup (and most PUAs) are commercial snake-oil salesman. They literally have stuff like "The ultimate secret to confidence" with a link to a 37$ subscription in their descriptions. They make a living out of making you feel insecure. Don't fall for it.
>>35693985 Quote me on that sweetheart, would you be so kind? Specifically highlight where I recomend not improving? :)))
Look I tried to help you. But I think you will be happier in eeerm... better place. >>>/r9k/ This board is specificaly designed for YOU and likeminded people! It caters to YOUR very special needs! Yay friends! You sure are very special and deserve very special safespace :^) I hope you get lucky in your future endavours in that wonderful place free of ambition. Please don´t come back!
>>35694074 This is basic psychology. They get money for making you feel insecure. They don't make you feel better. They don't want to improve you. The videos are structured in a way that makes the viewer feel like they have a problem, to which they have the solution. This is marketing 101. It's like a doctor shooting you in the leg so he can fix you. And the worst: you are grateful for them shooting you in the leg.
>>35689698 Just be yourself isn't redeemable advice when you're where some of these lads are. What really is the best is a good male mentor that is comfortable approaching and closing, but PUA/TRP is probably a workable alternative for those really struggling for decent advice on what works.
>>35686063 PUA is bullshit. They openly admit they're in it for the money they get from insecure men.
That said, I did see one of them on a podcast, and he brought up a really fucking good point.
What we think of as physical beauty is not actually rare. It's quite common. It can be bought and sold. Exercise, nutrition, clothes, makeup, cosmetic surgery, with enough time and money, almost anyone can become physically attractive.
With that in mind, it really IS what's on the inside that counts, given how malleable the outside has become in this day and age.
>poor confidence >stutter a lot >have difficulty hearing people speak >shy >kv >say FUCK IT and mass approach for a week >6-10 approaches a day >campus has stray piles of spaghetti lying around and trails of sauce throughout hallways >one of my favorite jackets is ruined
I got flat out rejected over 10 times, 1 number (she never responded to texts after she remembered who i was), and ended up even buying lunch for some of these sluts for nothing. I ended up crying for the first time in over 8 years by the end of the week and I had to change the path I walk to class out of shame and embarrassment. GUYS HELP PLEASE HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DO THIS
>>35694821 rule of thumb is if conversation is unpleasant for one party then its for both parties involved. Try to approach when it doesnt seem rigid/ unnatural. I would be creeped out too if someone came out of the blue to me
>>35695075 noted ill try harder to focus on their facial movements and emotions >>35695080 oh god this was the hardest thing ive ever done and im going to have to experience the crushing failure again and again. Is the reward really worth it? >>35695117 okay, ill try going to one. Should i lower my standards and just find an ugly cunt, just for the experience of taking a girl home?
>>35695355 looks like you need to read up on some basics in conversation. Trust me I sucked ass in conversation before. I interupted people, chose wierd topics, did´nt care what they were tellling me. I once creeped out a girl so much she had to go to another traincar and then my friend told it to my ex and they made fun of me for it. yay fun times. But back to the point read How to win friends and Influence people by Dale Carnegie for them social gains. For relationship gains read Mark mansons´ Models. Approaching is not inherently bad, it definitely isnt something you should stress about. It shows when you feel incomfortable in that situation. Mark Manson explains the theory behind keeping things natural but you have to get feel for it yourself. Good Luck man, you have the fire in you. Keep on keeping on
>>35695739 >tfw you're not here in Norway to be the perfect wingman n-no homo
Maybe one day our paths will cross, and I would look across the tables and I'd see you there, with a wife and maybe a couple of kids. You wouldn't say anything to me, nor me to you. But we'd both know that you'd made it, that you were happy. I never wanted you to come back to /fit/. I always knew there was nothing here for you, except pain and tragedy. And I wanted something more for you than that. I still do.
Consider yourself to be a key, created from a sum of parts. Your social skills, your interests, your looks, personality, work ethic, morals, everything. All the things you can change and all the things you can't. All these different things make up what is you. And for this purpose that you is out for some romantic reason. Now, you want to talk to or fuck or date some girl, so you need to apply yourself to open a social or romantic "lock" of sorts. Now, being rejected in any form degrades your key, makes it's use painful. So, you ask, "How do I make my key better? What can I do to make my key work for any lock I want?" PUA's rejection exersises see to make using one's key painless through numbness, which I think is only half right. To me, that stems from some acceptance of rejection, which while correct to some healthy degree, still isn't enough. Because it's believing your key, for better or worse, will eventually work based on numb numbers. This doesn't teach one to love one's key, or to "just be yourself".
When people say just being yourself is sufficient, that stems from implicitly knowing that one's "key" is perfectly sufficient to open any number of locks, regardless of what specific form the key is. The ones who mean it know rejection's part of the game, put they also know that's not the fault of their key, just that some locks aren't going to be opened by some specific keys. It can seem counter-intuitive when we are based in self-improvement through constant change, but there is an extreme importance in the simple concept of loving and accepting yourself. If you love and accept yourself, or key, as you are, what fear is there in knowing some random girl who's brain you have no control over, just isn't interested in you? It's not an excuse not to improve things you can could or should change, but to -know- that you, as you are, are perfectly fine. Loveable, in fact.
NOT MANY GIRLS LIKE LINUX NOT EVERYONE HAS A GOOD PERSONALITY
I'm an actual autist, and when I take mdma, I feel like some african kid who's walked into McDonalds for the first time. People have an obviously variable ability to be read and be interested in other people, which is what makes up the majority of social skills
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