I drink 3-4 cups of coffee a day shortly after waking up in the morning only.
This is a perfectly, "normal" amount and fashion to drink coffee.
If I don't drink coffee every day, I'm fucking rekt. Can't focus, horrible headaches, feel tired the whole time, body feels sorer than usual, the works!
Why isn't coffee then seen as a powerfully addictive and destructive drug? Weed, coke, meth, shrooms, etc don't got shit on the addiction level of coffee, man what the fuck?
Is coffee some giant conspiracy? I mean you think about how much money those coffee shops make, surely they must be funding a large degree of propaganda to make it seem better than it really is? How can a stimulant be as addictive as coffee with no real side effects? Everywhere you go people are quick to tell you how great it is and nothing is wrong. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
Everything I've read indicates up to four cups has a health benefit, hence the topic.
>I love it, but I can also go without it if I need to
Are you sure about that, when's the last time you actually did?
I'm also at 3-4 cup range. Additionally I run EC stack during cuts.
After the EC cycles, I do get awful withdrawals too. So I break the caffeine habit by taking mild opiates, such as codeine or tramadol, until the caffeine withdrawals are gone (a week or so).
Nothing that can go wrong with that scenario, right?
i was wondering about the exact same thing.
the most negative effect, that i am aware of, is, that it raises cortisol levels.
the last time i went off caffeine (managed to get off it for about 4 weeks), i noticed some of these effects caused by raised cortisol levels disappearing, like the stomach fat.
How do you make it?
I mean the Coffee...
I use about a dry oz that's about 23-25 grams in a single serve French Press steeped four minutes .
I think I get about 400mg of Caffeine in a cup..
I had one 90 minutes ago with 20 mg Yohimbine HCL.. and have been "doing cardio"
Gonna make anudda
People used to buy cocaine off the shelves before its addictive nature was understood.
How long until caffeine is viewed the same?
Food is addictive, sun is addictive, sex is addictive. If you quit eating you're going to feel like shit, and then eventually die.
Obviously these things are all more essential to being human than coffee, but the point is that something being addictive doesn't ipso facto make it bad. Everything that you do in your life, and especially the things you consume, are going to have impacts on your brain chemistry, some positive, some negative.
Different people also have different responses to withdrawal. I drink more than you do a day, and I can go without it with no noticeable effects.
And at the end of the day, coffee consumption is associated with positive health outcomes. That doesn't prove that it's 'good' for you, but we simply don't have evidence that it's bad for you moderate amounts.
Congratulations, you have come to understood there are socially accepted drugs like caffeine, alcohol or nicotine. Doesn't mean getting addicted to them isn't bad. DON'T PUT SHIT IN YOUR BODY IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES.
>Everything that you do in your life, and especially the things you consume, are going to have impacts on your brain chemistry, some positive, some negative
Almost nothing I do in my life makes me suffer withdrawals tho. Your entire post is meaningless.
You have less of a physical addiction and more of a mental addiction. Caffeine isn't physically addictive like drugs are, it doesn't change the structure of your brain. You just have no willpower, you need to ween yourself off it like a baby weens of the teet.
Smoking and drinking alcohol shouldn't even be compared to a couple cups of coffee a day. My grandfather and my grandmother both started drinking coffee at very young ages and are well into there 80's. The health effects of coffee are tiny and only really present if you OD which will just give you the shakes and a bad stomach ache.
You got genetically shafted in the addiction department. I metabolize caffeine, THC, dextromethorphan and oxycodone very efficiently and barely experience the side effects of these compounds. I don't even feel the effects of NyQuil or oxycodone, and I know this because I have taken them by prescription a few times and they never gave me that fuzzy high feeling. Same with marijuana which I tried once- it had almost no effect.
Caffeine has the strongest effect on me out of all of these drugs by far. It has the potential to be a substitute for ecstacy and other party drugs.
Phenibut, kava, kratom and other 'legal highs' , which I have not tried, probably have the same strength and abuse potential of any illegal party drug out there as well.
Drug laws and social norms are very strange indeed.
If you get withdrawal from discontinuing coffee, either don't drink coffee at all or discontinue it.
This is the whole point. You can separate the dependence caused by a drug from the effects of it. And the evidence we have suggests that coffee has positive mental and health effects.
If you don't like withdrawal don't get into situations that give withdrawal, however you'd prefer. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
If I drink coffee before I do something physical I always do worse. I can lift a lot more and run a lot longer. It doesn't help me as much mentally but it does help a little with my focus.
3-4 cups of coffee is actually recommended, obviously spread throughout the day but it's not bad for you. I chug 3 cups of coffee before I leave the house in the morning and don't drink any after.
>marijuana which I tried once
>almost no effect
A healthy adult can consume up to 200mg~ of caffeine per day and receive some health benefits from it, being highly active supposedly increases the amount your body can process, but I wouldn't push that. That aside;
Coffee is a shitty acid bath that yellows your teeth, and makes your breath smell like hot poop. Stop drinking it. Get your caffeine elsewhere.
>marijuana which I tried once- it had almost no effect.
Ofcourse it didn't you fucking retard you probably whirled it around in your fucking mouth. First timers never feel anything
Christ, you kids are irresponsible. 4 cups in a day?
I did that shit in middle and high school when I was a dumb fuck.
I recently had a delicious chicken and waffles cheat meal with around 20 ounces of coffee and I felt like shit two hours after the meal.
Drugs are drugs.
I was dehydrated to all hell and had a massive energy crash.
If it's not harmful then what's the problem?
Should you not do anything you like because you're 'addicted' to it?
Between quitting going to the gym and quitting coffee, I guarantee I'd rather quit coffee. Does that mean I'm 'addicted' to the gym? Should I not go, because exercising alters my brain's chemistry in a way that makes me feel good? Because if I quit exercising, I'll feel bad?
Should you not eat food that you like the taste of, even if it's healthy and fits your diet? If you take pleasure in the taste, then it's 'addictive' at some level.
There's a line where healthy habits become asceticism, and at that point you have to ask yourself 'what's the point'? Are you doing something because it's good for you, or because you have a purity fetish? Do you just want to eliminate everything from your life that you might take pleasure in?
Firstly coffee is socially accepted. Caffeine pills are not from my experience. This is just the hypocrisy of society.
Secondly it literally only takes days of going cold turkey to completely rewire your brains caffeine receptors and thus to overcome your physical addiction.
Maybe caffeine responds differently to people but the most caffeine I've ever had in one sitting was roughly 600mg and I felt jittery as Dick. I drink a couple cups ever day and I don't have any withdrawal symptoms when I stop. Not even grumpiness.
What the fuck is wrong with you that you think its acceptable to only brush your teeth in the morning?
Good to see that drinking coffee makes people stupid on top of giving them a shit mouth.
Caffeine in coffee blocks the adenosine in the brain, which is an inhibitory transmitter. That is why coffee drinkers have higher energy levels. Their brains function at significantly higher levels. Coffee improves reaction time, memory, and general cognitive function. So it only has positive effects in terms of "smartness". Also your dumb as fuck because you took what he said out of context.
>he doesn't brush his teeth in the morning
That doesn't mean you shouldn't brush it later as well fuck tard.
coffee isn't actually addictive though, the 'withdrawal' headaches comes from your veins shrinking while your body tries to pump caffeine-high levels of blood through them, and the rest is just the contrast between on caffeine/not on caffeine which you adjust to within a week
coffee does not cause chemical dependence at all
epic .. I finally after a few days gradually increasing I took the suggested dose for my body weight.. 20 MG one hour after waking up so I was a good 12 hours fasted. I added Black Pepper and a habenero pepper into a blender , blended it mercilessly then strained out the remaining chunks dripped in some Camomile alcohol extract, Magnesium Glycinate, Carnosine and Taurine to ease the tweak and drank that shit washing down some Green Tea extract, Ribogen (French Oak Wood extract) and Pterostilbene after about ten minutes for absorption I swalloed the eight 2.5 MG of Yohimbine HCL brand of pic related.
I threw on some Hallucinogen live
and danced my ass off for a couple of hours.. after 90 mins I made another cup of strong black coffee and coasted into the afternoon.. I feel great..
also found this excellent information about the Pharmacology of Yohimbine
I 'll be 53 in six months
>Why isn't coffee then seen as a powerfully addictive and destructive drug?
>Comparing coffee addicts to meth addicts
It is seen as addictive but not as destructive. Coffee won't turn you into a violent degenerate.
I am using it for the fat release... fasted cardio to burn the free fatty acids this drug allows to be released the Coffee boosts that action as well as helps with stimulation to get cranking..
>keeps proving how fucking stupid he is
Outstanding. You're really outdoing yourself. Making a hilarious Freudian slip and admitting you only brush your filthy mouth once per day wasn't enough embarrassment for you.
I didn't say I abstain from caffeine, I said coffee was shit. Its like you can't hide how incredibly retarded you are even if you try.
Are you on a cycle right now? Its probably affecting your brain.
i dunno man people get pretty crazy when they're hopped up on caffeine or being deprived of their fix
maybe we just don't yet understand the true nature of the problems it causes? withdrawals is a precursor to a major problem
First time I ever got high, me and my friends made a water bong out of a fucking office water jug (pic related) and a wheelbarrow. We filled the wheelbarrow with water, turned the jug cap into the pot holder and packed it with kush, and lit it. I took one hit, and felt the smoke travel down my throat and into my very soul. I turned completely retarded. Everything was in slow motion, my lips felt like they were coming off and everything I ate/drank tasted fucking amazing.
>walk into friends house while high as shit
>try to go to the fridge, somehow get lost, entire place feels like a maze
>eventually open up the door to the bathroom
>one of my other friends is taking a shit
>stare at him for a good 10 seconds
>he says "smells like shit in here"
>I say "probably cause you're taking a shit"
>he starts dying of laughter on the toilet
>I laugh so hard I fall over into the shower, ripping the shower curtains off
>shit my pants
>don't remember any of this until just now when I was writing the original paragraph
No one refers to their teeth as the set unless they're speaking of dentures. You keep saying one stupid thing after another, and you're not going to spin it to make yourself look less dumb.
Quit before you dig yourself any deeper.
I know that but oxycodone didn't even do anything to me- I only react well to stimulants.
Ephedrine, caffeine, yohimbine get me rolling.
Dxm, weed and opiates- little to no effect. My whole family reacts poorly to opiates, in fact. We just get nausea.
Funny caffeine puts me to sleep, aye.
I'm actually having to wean off it because I've started drinking heaps and heaps and feel the headaches and shit coming on.
>tfw going to have to buy weed to help me through it
you dont feel shit without coffee, you feel better with it.
At first they may seem like the same thing, but you know how many people say "i cant function until my first coffe, i can concentrate so much better". Its because our body simply performs better with coffeine with absolutely no disadvantage whatsoever.
What people think is their "unconcentrated level" is just their "normal, natural, """"HEALTHY"""" level of concentration.
Its almost like, our body wasnt build perfectly in every way and if you fuck with ANY of the "natural" chemistry, or brain chemistry, its not strictly worse. In some cases, like coffee, its strictly better.
the fucking health obsession of this board is ridicolous. tell me one advantage of being "healthy" you fucking cant. im serious. think about it.
you can say youre healthy, you can say you feel good, but you dont know if you feel good because youre "healthy".
>m-m-muh longer l-lifespan
yea fuck off m8
A small amount of coffee will make you sharper and live longer.
Maybe 100-200 mg per day tops.
Hammering back three energy drinks and several cups of coffee or caffeine pills isn't healthy and will likely shorten your lifespan, lessen your gains and dull your cognitive abilities.
Diminishing returns, baby
The dose makes the poison.
Give me a flu shot, my body adapts. Give me too many virus particles to adapt to? My body has to fight for its life and I am set back.
Train in the gym for one hour, 5 sets of 5 reps for bench, squat and deadlift, I make gains.
Train for 3 hours willy nilly until exhaustion- my body is broken down and I waste gains by overtraining.
Same principle across the board.
I quit caffeine and slept better. I had quit just to reset my sensitivity. I had 5g / 450ml of white tea yesterday at 2:30pm and it kept me awake until 5am. I think I'm probably hypersensitive to caffeine, at least when it comes to insomnia. Gonna buy decaf from now on or keep caffeine to the early morning, and only a small amount at that. Caffeine's half-life is not low, and after I reset my tolerance it's just potent enough to keep me awake too long.
Cortisol comes with adrenaline. You get adrenaline rushes all the time and subsequently bursts of cortisol. Same thing happens when you are stressed.
If youre worried about cortisol levels youre better off working on de-stressing your life than how many cups of coffee you drink.
I have never liked coffee, so I never drink it.
Other people always seem very dependent on it and always make statements saying so, which I think is pretty sad.
Everyone else is the same though so I don't usually say anything.
>If I don't drink coffee every day, I'm fucking rekt. Can't focus, horrible headaches, feel tired the whole time, body feels sorer than usual, the works!
>Why isn't coffee then seen as a powerfully addictive and destructive drug?
It literally is by anyone with two braincells to rub together. Caffeine is second only to cocaine in its addictive qualities
>Caffeine is second only to cocaine in its addictive qualities
>drink 1.5L of coffee a day for years
>also on an EC stack
>wanting to stop EC stack
>went off the EC stack AND coffee Saturday because I'm a badass
>feel like I'm gonna die, whatever I'll just sleep it off
>wake up I pissed the bed
>wash sheet, don't drink coffee all day
>slept off feeling of imminent death the whole day
>have "just" two cups of coffee in the morning
>felt like a mutant
>now do coffee "cycles" every week where reduced coffee during weekends
> If I don't drink coffee every day, I'm fucking rekt. Can't focus, horrible headaches, feel tired the whole time, body feels sorer than usual, the works!
> Why isn't coffee then seen as a powerfully addictive and destructive drug? Weed, coke, meth, shrooms, etc don't got shit on the addiction level of coffee, man what the fuck?
These two statements are inherently false, and since they're the foundation of your point = your point is false.
I got the jitters after drinking a brick of espresso the weekend I discovered moka pots. I drink decaf now except for 1 cup of reg Fri nights when I have to stay up for an overnight shift. Deloading caffeine is a neat trick.
>Usually only drink two cups of coffee, sometimes 3 on a bad day
>Remove coffee, cold turkey last Saturday
>Feel like a husk drifting through my day, accompanied by a dull headache
>Sleep is a lot better though
Idk how I feel about this. I'll keep it up for scientific purposes.
You're greatly exaggerating, and also trying to use the extreme outliers in regards to symptoms and play them off as:
> this is the normal sides guys!
No, they aren't.
Then you compare caffeine to meth, which really drives home how idiotic your point is, and conclude that caffeine is actually worse in regards to withdrawals.
You're dismissed at this stage, don't feel you need to reply my friend.
Especially since your next level of argument is no doubt going to be
> the withdrawals are actually worse than heroin and meth at the same time ok wow trust me I read an article one time I can't find it now though.
>also trying to use the extreme outliers in regards to symptoms
>the withdrawals are actually worse than heroin
this is called a stawman
i think it could very well be because as i stated, the withdrawal symptoms are extremely understated. even if not, doesn't change anything else i said so just ignore that one point and move on
these are the things that I wanted back that made me quit smoking:
>ability to breath cleanly without coughing all the time
>no more lung cookies
>energy levels to return to what I had prior to smoking
>when I added up all the time I took to smoke a cigarette, I wanted all that free time back
>the ability to not smell like a cigarette all the time
>not having to deal with all the waste byproduct of smoking, butts, packs, cartons
>not having a nagging addiction pulling you away from what you're doing at odd times
>all the money saved from both the cigs themselves and not driving to go get more
>the obvious health benefits to your entire system
>being able to taste food normally again, seriously your tastebuds delete themselves while smoking
>when I get a cold, not having the symptoms made 100x worse from smoking
>not accidentally burning holes in my garments
>no more damn smoke in my eyes while smoking
>being able to enjoy any activity without being dependent upon smoking in every situation
>never again being in a situation where I feel stuck and need to get out to smoke
I used to smoke almost a pack a day for...6 years, maybe? It was a lot less when I first started. These may seem like generic reasons but I assure you, each and every one of them ate me alive every day I smoked until I quit.
no my routine consists of drinking four cups of coffee when i wake up in the morning, over the course of about an hour. i had planned on quitting coffee, including all caffeine sources. but within an hour of doing my morning routine, i couldn't take it anymore.
i just constantly visualized all the benefits i would be gaining by quitting. made the irritation part almost too easy to deal with. i saved so much time, money, feel so much healthier now and have no more of those nagging issues from smoking. i feel better in literally every conceivable way.
>I wanted all that free time back
Maybe it's because you said you were a pack a day smoker. But I rarely smoke, I'm talking about when I get stressed the fuck out so maybe once a month. And for me, that 10 minute break spent outside alone on a cool night is the best part of smoking a cigarette.
It's all part of that relaxation that is unique to cigarettes
>But I rarely smoke, I'm talking about when I get stressed the fuck out so maybe once a month. And for me, that 10 minute break spent outside alone on a cool night is the best part of smoking a cigarette.
that was exactly how I was for the first year or two before I actually started smoking. you're not unique here. a million smokers could recount the exact same experience as you.
>It's all part of that relaxation that is unique to cigarettes
you trade temporary relaxation for long term problems that create more stress that fuel the need to keep smoking.
of course, you also said you're trying to quit smoking yet you're portraying yourself like somebody who has no problems with it so i have no idea what you think you're doing but it's not working.
I think you're confusing me with a different anon. I never said I'm trying to quit smoking, and I definitely don't have a problem. I've been smoking one cig, maybe once a month, since I was 18. While a student at Uni, during the summer when I was back home with my parents, I wouldn't touch a cigarette for the full summer because of the smell.
I've been doing once a month at the most, for the past 7 years, it's not going to get any worse than this.
>I think you're confusing me with a different anon.
No, I'm not. You said:
>Maybe it's because you said you were a pack a day smoker. But I rarely smoke
This was a direct response to my original comment here >>35685978 which was a response to your comment here >>35685907
if that's not your comment then i have no idea how your responses perfectly follow otherwise. the other anon i responded to entirely different, there was only one other person and they haven't responded since.
If you get tired from drinking coffee, it likely means that you are dehydrated. I figured this one out a while ago, occasionally I would have coffee or even a monster and feel tired. Turned out if I drank water, while tired like that, it would perk me up and wake me almost instantly.
Caffeine is a diuretic meaning, it makes you have to pee and it'll shrink your blood vessels. If you are dehydrated already when drinking the coffee, your blood vessels are already shrunk down, and the coffee will further dehydrate you, making you sleepier.
That said, on its own, coffee will not dehydrate you. It has a net hydration factor to it. Since it is something like 99%+ water. But, if you are already dehydrated, that is when problems arise. Or when you pee a lot or sweat a lot from drinking the coffee and dont replenish yourself with water.
It has nothing at all to do with ADD or ADHD, they have never found a link with caffeine, but only with other stimulants, like aderol, etc
>Is coffee some giant conspiracy?
No, not really. It's a 'traditional' beverage and seen as harmless, regardless of the FACT that you can easily get as much caffeine or more in coffee as you can in, say, a can of Rockstar or Monster, but energy drinks are demonized because fools (usually dumb teenagers) abuse the fuck out of them and get hurt or dead. You never hear about anyone calling out coffee manufacturers for their product being dangerous because someone chugged so much coffee that they ended up in the E.R., do you? It's because EVERYONE DRINKS IT, young and (especially) old, it's 'accepted' and considered 'harmless'. Notice that they also want to ban straight caffeine, like in powder form or pill form (like NoDoz)? It's stupid. If they want to ban other caffeinated products then they have to ban coffee, too -- but they never will. It's a double standard is what it is.
I guess it's all about perspective. My perspective was that I want to build my health up to the best I could make it be. And smoking would destroy all the work I began putting in. Eating healthier, lifting more, saving more money for better things in life. It all goes out the window if I start smoking again. You're on a fitness board so I'd think you could relate here, even if you are or aren't currently in good shape, you can always improve and smoking is a vulgar attack on your ability to improve your health.
How bad would it be to drink 5hr energies daily?
I don't drink them that often but when I do it's so much better than coffee, almost like a mild dose of adderall when it comes to the euphoric feeling and sociability.
If im completely clean I always feel like I could take a nap and am generally not that motivated. I don't drink coffee, or take stimulants regularly but when I do it makes a world of difference.
It's vitamin b12 if I drank these shits everyday would my heart explode?
I smoked a small joint the first time i had it and it was the best experience i have had smoking weed since then. I wasn't drunk and i was alone, so i believe i felt the effects more profoundly. I still believe mary jane is overrated, though. Fuck anxiety and paranoia. That shit cucked me hard