>>35666201 If you have to ask, you're not gonna make it. Those guys who are really successful in SOF are just naturally in absurd shape. We're talking ruck 10 miles in 2 hours with 65 pounds on up a mountain on almost nothing but willpower. Most of them just grab their fucking nuts and do it.
Howdy. POG here. I've seen a couple Regiment guys at the BN gym for God knows what reason, and mostly they spent the time doing pull ups, squats, sitting rows, incline press, regular press, and deadlifts. All of these VERY fucking heavy. And of course, you guessed it, bicep curls!
>>35666359 This. I know two SEAL officers. They're both autisticly obsessed with self-improvement and always have been. No gfs, never big partiers,diehard athletes. Hard to say what's genetic and what's not when such an insane amount of work goes into it.
>>35666201 Do you want to know one of the secrets I've found out about all of it from working at a SOF command?
Sure being physically fit and mentally prepared plays a huge part of it.
But one of the seldom talked about factors is your personality.
Aside from all the bullshit they make you do at BUDs those instructors are actually screening your personality.
They want to see if you're really one of them personality wise. Believe it or not it could be seen as a popularity contest of sorts. Do they want to be around you? How do you handle yourself socially? Do you whine a lot? Can the guys drink beer, swear, dip, around you? etc.
They don't want unit cohesiveness destroyed because you're a social shut in and mildly autistic even if you can carry a log all day.
>>35666419 Assuming you are aspiring to join the Army or USMC in order to got to SF or MARSOC, you should do one day of lifting and one day of Hooah good stuff. Hooah stuff includes, HIIT, muscle failure (push ups, abs, power jumps, half jacks, etc) and core strength stuff. You can also ruck one day of the week.
>>35666493 What anon is saying is that you need the traits of a wolf to be part of the pack. Lone wolves do not exist in the armed forces. We never "operate" alone. If you find yourself alone, you go into SERE mode, not Rambo/Liquid Snake or whatever physical state he is.
>>35666557 >>35666547 >>35666493 >>35666484 I'm guessing this has something to do with why Dan Bilzerian was dropped right towards the end of BUD/S. His roid-monkey body was probably taking it fine, but there's no way he's the type of guy you want watching your back.
>>35666612 Oh, I used the term we as in Soldiers. Not SF operator haha. I wish. Every member of the armed forces is trained to function as a member of a team. I should have used the term function and not "operate"
>>35666619 I guess. From my experience, two things I hate in the Army: toxic people and immature behavior. There's a time for everything, including shenanigans. But not every time is time for shenanigans.
Toxic people let their personalities set the tone for every duty and task at hand in it ALWAYS fucks something up for the team.
Dan was likely physically prepared, and quite possibly mentally prepped for it.
But if you google Dan's name and scroll around through SF association forums and threads you'll notice that other people's account of how Dan was dropped varies from what he says. Roughly if I remember correctly a lot of those postings in response to Dan alleged that no one liked him because he was an ass who couldn't, rather than wouldn't fit in and adopt that culture that those instructors try to maintain while they screen you.
I hope this makes sense. It's hard to articulate what it actually is since I'm not really apart of that culture. I just took orders there and it's definitely a professional building experience, but it's really hard when some SO2 comes up to me and says, "hey yo bro XYZ" And I'm not really on that real bro level of bonding the other SOs have.
>>35666707 One dope story I can share is the time they gave me THREE tortillas instead of two at the DFAC on mexican cuisine day of the week so I could make 3 fajinas instead of the regulation 2. That was fucking exciting.
>>35667077 well there's the whole fact that they mentally mould you into a new human being, that's a pretty big detractor
not hating on military guys. I like them, and I wish more people were like them. but there's a reason the military outsources anything requiring critical thought, such as critical intel work or tech, etc.
then again, the only reason private sector guys can't retire is because they're also complete idiots.
deployment sucks. being rootless until you retire sucks.
>>35667156 >mentally mould you into a new human being
Yeah, not really. They *might* give you some new habits if you're coachable, that's about it. Anybody who comes out of basic training "different" is a bullshitter or had 0 personal identity to begin with.
>>35667203 I'm not saying basic training changes you.
but you really think spending a decade in the service isn't going to change you? promotions via checklist, squashing of personal ambition. bureaucratization of simple processes. inability to adequately punish complete shitters? sure, buddy, totally normal.
are you dumb?
brb, gonna go live in china for 10 years and come back exactly the same
>>35667410 yeah, but this other dude is saying the service doesn't mould you into the person they want you to be. this is patently false.
infantry turns you into a different person most noticeably commissions makes you a machine intel or tech makes you mentally incapable of competing in the private sector. this isn't an exaggeration.
not saying it's bad. it definitely improved some of the lower quality humans I know. but a person with actual talent is not going to find his wings. ever. at least in the private sector such a person has a chance.
You just gotta want it man. As I was reading some of the posts here, I see that a lot of you think there needs to be a set personality to be one of these guys. That's far from the truth.
I know guys who never party, never drink, never curse and never chase tail. I also know guys who do that every night. I know a guy who did nothing but smoke weed and eat cookies all day on the couch prior to enlisting. It's all a matter of how much you want it. There is no set persona on who is 'operator' material. Just crush the PSTs and you can make it if you want it enough. The physical aspect is legitimately easy. The mental part is something you will never, ever understand until you are going through it. I can't emphasize this enough.
but intellectually, they become very flattened. dependable, but not very capable of insight.
I used to work with a lot of them. they didn't have a lot of ingenuity. not that ingenuity is everything. liberals love to invent pure bullshit. I'm not a fan of that. but military makes people too rigid for a lot of professions.
>>35666958 He asked about girlfriends so I answered about girlfriends. In sure they smash, but I doubt they're monogamous because of the time that would require. Pretty sure SEALs spend like 60+% of their time training.
Just visualize all your problems in life, financial, social, as a greedy, nasty little monster with a hook nose and beady little eyes who just wants to grabble up all your money. Now imagine a purifying wind blowing the grabbler away like so many ashes.
>>35666619 You can't really ever by physically prepared, it ends up being 90% mental 10% physical because being strong and fit doesn't make doing underwaters after being awake for 60 hours doing log drills, beach running, sitting in the freezing pacific etc. every part of your body is screaming stop, come up and breathe no matter what shape you're in.
Initial pipeline schools like BUD/s, PJ/CCT indoc, ranger school etc. are designed to make sure you have the mental toughness to proceed with expensive training and get really good. All sorts of lanky, short guys make it through because it's more about mental fortitude than physical/athletic prowess.
>>35667156 >but there's a reason the military outsources anything requiring critical thought, such as critical intel work or tech, etc.
they don't though. There are guys who do those jobs in the military...Did you think everyone in the military is a shooter? 19/20 jobs is a support job. Intelligence, computer technicians, engineers etc. are all support jobs.
>>35669030 Yeah but Dan "the heart attack man" Bilzerian got dropped in the last couple of days, so I'm guessing he passed all the tests but rubbed everyone the wrong way. The end of BUD/S is land stuff, not the freezing water and flutter kicks all the time that we associate with it. He had finished all that.
>>35669490 Some guys realize during BUD/s it's not what they want to do for the next 6+ years of their life but don't want to look like a dirty cone so they find some bullshit reason to self-eliminate or do something overtly stupid to get kicked out of the program. Sometimes you just fuck up but they usually just give you a set-back in that case. Knew a guy at PJ indoc who got set back during their final tests because his snorkel got twisted on his way up during snorkel recovery, had to repeat the full course.
>>35667156 You don't know what you're talking about. Boot camp is a joke, no one is "changed" the way you're making it sound. And rootless? Average duty assignment is three years. For instance my next three are in San Diego. And I aim to spend the three after in Europe. All while having housing, health insurance, and rock solid job security. Being a civilian is much more chaotic.
>>35669095 Exactly. Public Relations/visual information for the Navy here. We interact with local media, document training and port calls, and make video PSA/Commercials/News stories/entertaining bits. Did any of you see the 'Sea Wars' star wars spoof? Buddy/co-worker made that on the Ike. Disney qsked them to take it down, but Abrams literally sent them tons of swag and a personal letter congratulating him on his video and editing skills. If that's not skilled labor I don't know what is. And all enlisted too. If anything, employment opportunities for enlisted provide far better schooling and better pipe lines than officers these days, even if we're payed less for now
>>35671823 The day I joined several girl friends and ex-girlfriends started teasing me about getting married. Nothing works better at wetting panties when I'm out than saying I'm in the military. 1. Chicks dig it. Hard. 2. Marriage benefits are insane, marrying a military man means rock solid fiscal condition, with again guaranteed housing and health care included for the entire family- only top civilian earners can match that, and that's takes at least a nice degree and a few years working up the ladder. 3. They get to travel around the world with you, without having to worry about that housing or health care.
There's a reason over 70% of service members get married within three years of service
>>35666324 It's less about being fit and more about willpower and forcing your body to keep going past failure. Most real sf guys look more like longshoremen than gi joes. >pic related. Sf from the vietnam war. They're not particularly ripped or built. Just fit with unending willpower.
>>35667458 No one with any discipline going in changes, ding dong. Maybe they change after killing on their first deployment if they're a pussy, but most of my friends knew what they were getting in to.
>>35671858 Holy shit this. Any maintenance position, especially AF makes you look immediately better for private flight, having any service looks good on a resume. This guys a bringus if he thinks it makes you incompatible with private sector.
>>35671898 Man, it's because you are a free meal ticket and guaranteed , no work housing. Don't get too excited. It means they have all their needs guaranteed and all they have to do is fuck a guy half the year.
>>35674248 he's right though, it's mental and the guys who are always looking for some secret short cut training program to do it never make it. It's not complex what you have to do, it's just a matter of being mentally tough enough to do it.
>>35671921 I don't think that's Vietnam those look to be M16a2s, which weren't inducted until the mid 80s. My guess would be Panama/somewhere in Central America where we were fighting all those proxy wars in the 80s
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