Why the fuck are you not eating meat?

/fit/ - veganism

man the site really goes to shit when americans start posting

>>35654427
I think you misread something

>>35654407
dude chill I literally just ate three chicken breasts.

>>35654571
white meat is basically a vegetable

When vegans show their meals

>well, for lunch I'll have 20 bananas and if I'm still hungry I'll have 2-3 more, this is fine, our ancestors ate like this and we should

Fruit is not a fucking meal. Fruit is delicious, but it's a light snack at best here and there. I have no problems with vegans who eat normal like rice/beans/oats/potatoes, but these high fruit assholes are a whole different story

>>35654625
Not to mention that all that fructose will fuck them up and age them to shit, there's a reason why vegans age like curdled milk

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>>35654625
It worked for this guy, why not you? Good luck squatting on your balls while not eating bananas, anon.

>Why the fuck are you not eating meat?

Because I don't have to eat meat to be healthy, hit my macros and make gains. Because I don't want to support an industry that is harming the planet, harming the health people and exploiting/mistreating billions of animals.

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>>35654625
nah

>>35657227
>the one veganposter on the site looking up dead threads and shitposting in every thread even tangentially related

for every animal you don't eat i'll eat three

>>35657248
caught my eye in the catalog. Good luck with that.

>>35657240
this. the ignorance about vegan food is ridiculous, everyone thinks they only eat fruit and salads. ignorance

>>35657268
in fairness he said he has no problems with vegans who eat normal shit like beans/potatoes etc

>>35657240
This actually looks fantastic

>>35657315
I'll dump some more if you like

>>35657339
pls do

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is he natty, /fit/?

>>35657339
Yeah I'm thinking of going vegetarian and need some ideas on meals.

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>>35657381

turns out I don't have many on my laptop. I'll dump the few I have anyway, they look pretty mediocre to be honest but whatever

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>>35657443
these are all from the first week I went vegan about 6 months ago. At the time I was eating loads of veggie burgers, some based on beans, some on nuts, some on lentils etc. Now I mostly stay away from them simply because I prefer to eat whole foods.

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>>35657466
High protein bread, 15 grams per slice (around 50-60% bioavailable)

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>>35657501
my ex made these two, not a whole lot of protein but fucking delicious

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>>35657518
A nut loaf she made that was next level delicious

>>35657482
>peanut butter and banana sandwich
why did you leave us, Elvis

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>>35657414
>>35657428
>>35657443
>>35657466
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>>35657518
>>35657534
all I have on this laptop, here is a ridiculously tasty vegan cookie sandwich I got from a vegan bakery. It was so sugary and creamy I nearly threw up after.

>>35657605
Are you the chimp?

>>35657625
what?

>>35657534
>nut loaf
Ifyouknowwhatimean.jpeg

>>35657635
Guess that's a no. He's a vegan who lurks /fit/. Sorry.

>>35657605
You got a recipe for the nut loaf?

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Can someone on here please post a study stating that going over 20 to 30 grams a meal is anything but a waste of protein? Seriously people on here eat way too much protein when it's not a mystery to science on how much we need for MSP.

>>35657713
no I don't. She found the recipe online, no idea which one she used. We don't speak any more so I can't ask her

>>35657763
Ok. Thanks anyway

>>35657750
It's not complete protein, and a lot of it is not bioavailable.

>>35657750
>Can someone on here please post a study stating that going over 20 to 30 grams a meal is anything but a waste of protein?

http://wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/

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>>35657818
it's very easy to get a complete amino acid profile. In fact the only way to not get one would be if you only had one source of protein. Even just eating beans and rice gives you a full amino acid profile. Bioavailability is around 80 percent for beans, 95 percent for meat. It's not a big deal at all and people on fit are far too ready to act like it is. Also, soy protein isolate is 95%, which is the same as whey and meat.

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>>35657861
what I ate on that day

>>35657818
Simply eat a side of vegetables. It is nearly impossible not to get your amino acids throughout the day on a healthy diet. Plan all your meals around an adequate protein source of 20 to 30 grams with side dishes of primary vegetables and you will be just fine.

>>35657861
>That shitty PUFA:SFA ratio

Enjoy your heart disease cucklord

>>35654407
Cancer and or Mad Cow

>>35657466
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>>35657501


Noice.

>>35657860
It hurts knowing that you think that study is credible. Please refrain from posting bro science. Please read this if you want to debate further. http://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/65227_Patton_Chapter_9.pdf

>>35657930
>Alan Aragon
>Not Credible

Pick one faggot

>>35657861

Holy shit. Your fats ratio is shitty as fuck. And Vitamin A at 600% is going to kill you sooner or later.

>>35657861
>>35657879
Can you post pic? I have never seen a healthy looking vegan. No offence.

>>35657750
You may also have heard that the body wastes protein if you eat more than a certain amount at a time (30g is the most-cited figure). The reality is that there is no empirical evidence for this being true.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19674590

At least that's what the sticky says.

>>35657930
>It hurts knowing that you think that study is credible

You mean the 14 cited in the article which debunk the myth that only 30 grams of protein is absorbed per meal... you're an idiot.

>>35658003
>>35658061
Our bodies are pretty efficient. I'm just saying that you might want to try it out. I'm doing just fine on half the protein I used to do. In the long run I spend less money and I can go longer with less food. Then again Optimum Nutrition makes good shakes and Mutant Whey is so damn good I totally understand putting 4 scoops in everything.

>>35658093
I'm going to stick with ISSN's opinion over someone arguing mom science on an Egyptian Camel Breeding Tips and Tricks Forum

>Protein intakes of 1.4 – 2.0 g/kg/day for physically active individuals is not only safe, but may improve the training adaptations to exercise training
http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-4-8.pdf

>>35655028
>what is 'not a human' for 500
>what is lower primates are 'hench without no bench' for 1000
>what is 'he eats other chimps and monkeys alive every now and then' for 6900

people who eat meat are fantastic for animals

imagine if no one ate chickens

there'd be no chickens

imagine if no one ate pork

there'd be no pigs

imagine if no one ate cows

there'd be no cows

also farmers would find their land is less valuable to them, as they can grow the same food in 1/10th the space, so they'd sell their land and they'd just be filled with shit tier housing

>>35654407
>So if you want to talk about what's "natural", if anything eating meat( and indeed cooking it) is more "natural" than living on a purely vegetarian diet; a feat only made possible by our modern lifestyle.

Nice strawman retard.

>>35654407
>Fuck Vegans
tell that to David Haye you cuck http://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/david-haye-vegan-heavyweight-champion-boxer

>>35657428
>4 cookies
>muh veganism
fatty detected

>>35658452
they are veggie burgers you moron

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*tips*

>>35658452
Those are vegan burger patties, m8

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>>35658495
>being this easily baited
you vegans sure are a bright bunch aren't you

>>35655028
the genetic capacity to build muscle is greater in chimps

m8

>>35657818
do you even know what the fuck bioavailable means?

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>>35654407
Dude, just quinoa and buckwheat are almost nutritionally complete. It's literally effortless to get an array of nutriments with appropriate materials.

Also, your evolution bullshit is wholly unfounded.

>>35658589
>muh genetics
Wew.

>>35657240
Ever tried getting 3k Cals? Would it be possibly inexpensive?

>>35658661
you cant even argue about genetics fucktard

>>35658661
yeah I eat 2700 a day (I'm small) so adding an extra 300 to that would be as easy as a small bowl of nuts. And yes, I spend a lot less money now than I did when I was eating a lot of chicken, eggs and beef. Only thing that's more expensive is the coconut milk which is about 3x as expensive as dairy milk. But it's delicious and has B12 and calcium added so I don't mind paying out for it.

>>35657861
>>35657879

>>35657605
found the fatty

>>35654407
I'm convinced the vegan trend is a few very, very clever people pretending to be vegan to eliminate their competition. Just think, now all these new veggiefage are getting substandard amounts of food. They can't pack on muscle. The people jumping on the bandwagon are, of course, legit vegans, and they're suffering for it. But the guys leading the charge are definitely not vegan, and they look great because they're all eating like normal people.

And it's working in certain circles. I mean, /fit/ is already half malnourished.

Anyway, meat is king. Eat more of it. Just balance it out with other types of food.

>>35658699
I'm 5'11" and 155 pounds. Used to 250 though so I guess you would have been right 2 years ago.

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>>35654407
>>35657227
Copy-pasted, not fact-checked:

>The truth about meat / dairy production is that we use trillions of gallons of water for livestock agriculture. It takes 990 liters of water to produce 1 liter of milk, and over 500 gallons of water to produce 1 hamburger. That's more water waste than fracking, Californians watering their lawns, or anything else that might get you worked up already.
>Beyond water, the CO2 levels produced by livestock are higher than all areas of transportation combined. Planes, trains and automobiles have got nothing on cows. Not to mention these animals also produce high levels nitrogen, which is literally 300 times more detrimental to our environment than C02; and methane, which warms the world 20 times faster. Livestock agriculture is the number one cause of deforestation, oceanic dead zones, drought, and the warming of our planet. There is no room for debate. That's just the way it is. Fossil fuels are a joke in comparison.
>By raising animals to eat, animals that live free are becoming extinct and losing their habitats at a rapid pace. 91% of the Amazon rainforest deforestation is attributed to soy production for livestock feed and free-range grazing. Even fishing -- taking the ridiculous number of fish out of the sea as we do each year drastically changes the oceanic habitat. It's dying. And it's alarming because dead oceans mean dead people. The Earth itself will be fine, don't worry about it, it always has been. People and other, less harmful animals will not be.

1/2

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>>35658736
>As population rises and demand for meat increases the responsible thing to do would be to at least eat less meat and dairy. And get used to it. Soon it will not be a choice, and I know this because it's not sustainable. The only thing that will change factory farm behavior is our behavior. I won't comment on free-range, because there's not enough land to supply our demand, so it's a moot point. The only thing that can save this living planet, and all the living things on it, is changing the way we live, changing our diet, and the way we interact with our environment on a hyperconscious level. Now, enjoy your lunch!

>>35655028
That is not a human. Most of /fit/ ARE humans. It's like asking why humans are stronger than frogs; the link is tenuous at best.

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>>35658677
How's that? The population has the potential to be vastly superior to what it is. Simply stretching and training from really early could greatly enhance gene expression.

>>35657750
That chart isn't a good indicator; 100g of, say, beef isn't much. It's easy to eat. It fits on a plate. That much cauliflower, however, would probably cover half a table.

I feel like that's something that needed to be said.

>>35654407

mate chill, not only have i just aten three chicken breasts, but NOW I HAVE LITERALLY EATEN A STEAK

>>35658809
mate 100 grams of cauliflower is fuck all. Look at this picture, that's 330 grams of broccoli. >>35657428

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Hmmmm fattening

>>35658809
>That much cauliflower, however, would probably cover half a table.
yea naw not at all.
I have no prob eating 800 g cauliflower in a meal on top of 200 g of steak.

>>35658845
>>35658893
Ok guys, bad example. What about seeds? Wouldn't eating a hundred grams of them being a pain? My point here is, that meat tends to be easier, so a lot of people will go for it. THe chart tends to be slightly misleading, because it doesn'tshow examples of what those amounts of food would look like.

>>35658555
implying that he didn't go on the juice during those 3 years "off"

you're fucking delusional

>>35654407
>natural
Plenty of what we do isn't natural you dumb fuck. Typing on a korean picture board isn't natural. Having a population of 7 billion people eating meat grown on farms isn't natural. It's not environmentally sustainable to have this many people eating mean.

>The only reason people can survive today on a purely vegetarian or vegan diet,
The only reason we could have a meat-based diet in prehistoric times was that our population was like 1/100 of what it is now

>>35658957
it says at the top, 100 grams of.. 100 grams of anything is fuck all. I have been a vegan for 6 months but I loved meat up until the day I stopped eating it. I loved steak and bacon as much as the next guy but to say that eating meat is easier than eating plant based foods is complete bullshit. Legumes are much easier to prepare, cut, chew, eat and digest than meat is. You don't know what you are talking about.

Also 100 grams of nuts or seeds will have 650 kcal, much more than even the fattiest cut of meat so if you struggle to eat a lot and need to get the calories in nuts and seeds are the best option, bar none.

>>35654407
I ate 4 chicken breasts for breakfast and lunch, 2 steak burgers for dinner. And for a little midnight snack I'll be having myself a cockmeat sandwich

>>35657240
I just got done eating a kickass seitan stir fry

>>35658977
what does that have to do with anything? Are you implying he wasn't juicing when he was eating meat? Top lel, he's a top level athlete, him being on roids is a given and has fuck all to do with him being vegan or not.

>>35658284
Totally retarded argument. Chickens wouldn't just go extinct and even if they did, it would be better than torturing them.

>>35659010
it has to do with everything. why the fuk would you choose to become a vegan and then inject synthetic hormones into your body. how do you know he wasn't slamming down whey protein during his supposed veganhood?

smells like bullshit, just like the very concept of being vegan for health reasons

>>35659042
you are actually an idiot. It says in that small image there that he went vegan for ethical reasons, not once did he mention health. His being a vegan has nothing to do whether he is taking roids or not. He says right there "..I saw all those cows and pigs and realised I couldn't be a part of it any more"

I fucking love how you morons claim that every vegan that looks good or is big is on roids, completely ignoring the fact that every non vegan who is big and looks good is on roids too. Amino acids are amino acids, once you take bioavailbilty into account as long as you are getting the same amount of protein it doesn't matter whether it came from an animal or from a plant.

You fucks are so desperate to criticise anything you can about veganism it's actually pathetic.

You can get enough protein as a vegan
You can make gains as a vegan
You can get everything you need nutritionally without eating animal products
It is better for the environment
It is cheaper
You can be perfectly healthy as long as you don't go full retard and you eat a balanced, varied diet

>>35659114
>You can get enough protein as a vegan
Not the point
>You can make gains as a vegan
No
>You can get everything you need nutritionally without eating animal products
Nope. B12 first of all
>It is better for the environment
Yes
>It is cheaper
Depends
>You can be perfectly healthy as long as you don't go full retard and you eat a balanced, varied diet
No

Anything else?

>>35659194
>You can make gains as a vegan
>No
I guess my gains just came from nowhere then
>Nope. B12 first of all
are you fucking stupid? I drink coconut milk that has been fortified with B12 every day. I can go to the doctor and get a B12 shot if I want. I can buy cheap as fuck tablets with my daily allowance of B12 if I want. I don't have to eat meat to get B12. Also, the animals you eat where you get your B12 from, do you know where they get their B12? That's right, supplements.
>You can be perfectly healthy as long as you don't go full retard and you eat a balanced, varied diet
>No
The American Dietetics Association disagrees with you
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

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>>35658757
>Most of /fit are humans

Speak for yourself

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>>35658757
>human

>>35659231
>B12 supplements
You have to supplement your diet to avoid deficiencies. Nuff said.
> I don't have to eat meat to get B12
Where do you think the supplements come from, m8?
>Also, the animals you eat where you get your B12 from, do you know where they get their B12? That's right, supplements.
You mean the deer stand in line for the doc? wew lad.

>>35654594
What are your thoughts on fish?

>>35659312
>Where do you think the supplements come from, m8?
suspected as much, you don't know what you are talking about. Bacteria make B12, not animals.

Oh look, another retard that claims he hunts for every single bit of meat he eats. Yes animals in the wild get their B12 from the soil, but you don't get all of your meat from the wild, you get it from the store just like everyone else. That meat has been given supplements.

I never claimed that I got all my nutrients from plants, I said I got it all from a vegan diet. A vegan diet simply means zero animal products. If I have to supplement a couple of things to ensure that I am not taking any part in the disgusting animal agriculture business and actively contributing to the destruction of the planet we need to live on then yeah, I will supplement B12.

>>35659384
>I have to supplement a couple of things to ensure
Yeah. Yeah you do.
>Yes animals in the wild get their B12 from the soil
Yeah
>but you don't get all of your meat from the wild
Yeah I kinda do m8
>I never claimed that I got all my nutrients from plants, I said I got it all from a vegan diet
Rofl

>>35657580
Peanut butter, banana, bacon honey is the true Elvis sandwich. And fucking delicious.

>>35655028
His nut game is strong.

>>35657405
He's missing a pair of shoulders.

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Damn...some of these meals look pretty good.

>>35658532
Fuck off retard

>>35657605
Do you feel like the switch gave you more energy anon? That's all I hear from the vegan people I know

>>35660002
definitely. I wake up feeling fully awake and alert now too. Used to take me 30 mins to feel awake.

>>35660002
Do you really think they have 'more energy' just because of cutting out 600 calories worth of animal products from their diet?

It's placebo, probably. If not they still have to rationalize their behavior. Fact is, vegans wind up deficient in zinc, b-12, taurine, lysine, methionine, fat, you name it. The benefits will likely outweigh the pros unless you meticulously supplement. Notwithstanding; You can try a vegan diet and see if it actually 'gives you energy'. I'm sure you will feel something

>>35660148
don't tell me how I felt you complete cunt. Try it for yourself or shut the fuck up. Within a week I felt much more energetic. I didn't crash in the evening like I usually did and would feel noticeably more alert in the mornings. My girlfriend reported the same thing.

>Zinc
Beans, nuts, leafy greens
>B12
Fortified milk, fortified yogurts, fortified cereals, supplements if you don't want to or don't have access to fortified foods.
>inb4 muh supplements
there is literally nothing wrong with consuming supplements, especially when you consider that farm animals are given supplements too. Your B12 isn't coming from bacteria in the soil either, it's coming from supplements.
>taurine
produced in the body
>lysine
tofu, tempeh, seitan, legumes, quinoa
>methionine
seeds, nuts, grains
>fat
are you fucking serious right now? Nuts, seeds, avocados, olives, oils

>meticulously supplement
nah.

lentils are literally the greatest food on earth

>>35657961
"High intake of provitamin carotenoids (such as beta carotene) from vegetables and fruits does not cause hypervitaminosis A, as conversion from carotenoids to the active form of vitamin A is regulated by the body to maintain an optimum level of the vitamin. Carotenoids themselves cannot produce toxicity."

>>35660254
I already know every damn thing you just recanted in your post, and I still stick with what I said. I'm healthy now so I wouldn't risk going vegan because i actually have something to lose.

I'm glad that you became more healthy by becoming vegan, but just be aware that vegans TEND to be deficient in certain nutrients, because some are less bio-available in plant based foods than in meat or dairy.
Also, there is a palpable benefit to supplementing certain amino acids like taurine, tyrosine, arginine and BCAAs for their effects on metabolism, recovery and replenishing neurotransmitters and MANY other functions we haven't even discovered.

For some, a vegan diet might be a step up. For others, it might be a step down.

How about a mainly fish type of diet? I already went one round of cancer and don't want to increase my odds even in the slightest percentage by eating red meat. Before I get a retort on how I shouldn't be eating anything since in some way or another, through heat or just by mere consumption that it will end up carcinogenic, there are definitely ways to mitigate those chances by just having a type of food in smaller quantities.

I'm also not a "slave" to something ephemeral like taste and was never really a foodie to be tied to a certain diet, so if I could graze like a goat I would. Except for cheese. I fucking love cheese.

>>35660511
If you're already healthy, red meat won't make you less healthy. The lifting you do and the fish, dairy and eggs you still consume are already raising your IGF-1 and testosterone levels, contributing to oxidation and anabolism which can lead to cancer growth. At the same time, the saturated fats, cholesterol and omega-3 you are consuming have all been shown to protect against cancer, and lifting weights has been shown to increase lifespan and protect against cancer by increasing insulin resistance and through other mechanisms.

The point is- you're going to die, and you can't pinpoint every carcinogen and eliminate all harm. Red meat probably won't hurt you.maybe you should avoid cured meats, and certainly try to consume primarily organic grass fed meat. But worries are trifles at some point.

>>35654919
http://consciousnourishment.org/2014/03/25/6-raw-foodists-over-50-that-look-decades-younger/

>>35659194
man those are some top notch arguments are you a philosopher?

>>35658492
Why does every vegan meal use a meat imitation. It's like vegans actually like meat but refuse to eat it do to some perceived superiority.

>>35660874
he said that these were taken in his first week >>35657466

>>35660874
veggie burgers taste nothing like meat, they aren't comparable in texture or taste but they are delicious in their own right.

>>35659032
Actually they would absolutely go extinct. There is no such thing as a wild chicken. Same with cows and pigs (there are wild boars I suppose if you want to get technical) of the three I might believe that some number of pigs might survive due to there slightly higher intelligence but cows and chickens? No way.

>>35660874
Those things are only similar to burgers in that they're shaped like burgers, which is a pretty practical way to shape your food. I don't want to imitate the flesh, tendons, blood, and nerves on your plate.

>>35660923
That's bullshit

>>35660965
no, it isn't

>>35660946
Poppycock! They have a similar texture and umami profile. It's litteraly fake meat.

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>>35660874
Why does every carnivorous meal use a dick imitation. It's like meat eaters actually like dick but refuse to eat it do to some perceived superiority.

>>35660980
Because homosexuality has been illegal and considered immoral for much of human history and we are still dealing with the cultural consequences.

>>35660978
my veggie burgers are made of beans, peas, peppers and onions. They are nothing like meat. You can get ones that imitate meat but not all of them do. In fact most of them don't.

>>35660978
Have you tried an eggplant patty? Chickpea patty? Lentils patty? Zucchini patty? Nothing to do with meat, just a practical shape. Fits between two pieces of bread.

What's the current scientific consensus on the soy-estrogen connection

>>35654407

>The evolutionary step of eating meat rather than vegetation was what provided our ancestors with the evolutionary advantage over our competitors. Meat has a higher calorific content than vegetation and provided them with the energy needed to advance brain development.
>So if we hadn't learned to cook and eat meat, we wouldn't be here toady.

If we assume that's true, what does that matter for what you should eat in the year 2016? We should just continue to gorge ourselves on meat purely out of appreciation?

>So if you want to talk about what's "natural", if anything eating meat( and indeed cooking it) is more "natural" than living on a purely vegetarian diet; a feat only made possible by our modern lifestyle.

If a totally natural lifestyle is what you care about, why are you on a computer and eating farm-raised meat instead of being out in the woods living under a roof made of leaves and eating scavenged roots and carrion?

>>35661005
Chickpea patty is just hummus which is a poor substitute for pate and zucchini tastes like soggy pepperoni (but is still pretty good). haven't had the other 2

>>35661031
because he is a hypocrite and clutching at straws for why veganism is stupid, like everyone who argues against veganism does.

>>35654407
>Cooking meat increases its caloric content

lol no lil' nigga.

>>35661024
For most people, moderate soy consumption is okay. Some people get gyno and high estrogen and other sides from it, but very few.
Asians eat a ton of soy, hell even most Americans eat soy in the form of soybean frying oil, food additives like emulsifiers, textured vegetable protein, lecithin, and many others. The meat we eat is from livestock which are fed soy, so every bit of GMO soy winds up on your plate if you live in America, basically. But not all Americans and certainly not all asians have high estrogen or gymecomastia.
I think the soy myth is overhyped

>>35661024
In a 2005 study in the Journal of Nutrition, researchers comparing soy to casein concluded that "the biological value of soy protein must be considered inferior to that of casein protein in humans." Among other disadvantages, the researchers found, a significantly larger portion of soy is degraded to the waste product urea. Moreover, it contributes to less protein synthesis in the body.

"A protein like whey has much more robust biological effects than soy," acknowledges Kraemer. In terms of strength gains, however, he says more research is needed before he can provide definitive guidelines. "But my personal opinion is that soy protein is cheaper and whey protein is higher quality," he says. "There are also concerns that soy might decrease a man's testosterone production and increase his estradiol production, which we tend to associate with female hormone production."

>>35661105
I don't live in America. I live in Canada and I eat high quality grass fed beef and chicken.

I'll stick to my meat. I like the taste anyway.

>>35661121

Don't say "in a 2005 study, researchers found this," post the study you're talking about

>>35661088
Cooking meat decreases the calories nescessary to digest it so it effectively increases your net increase in calories. But yeah it's kinda dumb to just say that cooking increases calories

>>35661159

>grass fed meme

>>35661207
I can visit the farm where the meat I buy comes from. Cows are all walkin around eat'n grass. Unless it rains, then they're layin down eating grass.

>>35661105
Considering there are people on this board who forgot fapping based on the myth that it increases test, you're gonna have a hard time convincing people here to eat a diet with a chance of increasing there estrogen levels

>>35661342
>forgo

>>35654407
B-b-but the an-an-animals anon....

>>35660663

>the saturated fats and cholesterol you are consuming have been shown to protect against cancer

>lifting weights has been shown to increase lifespan by increasing insulin resistance

uhhhh

>>35658687
>b12 and calcium added
Calcium reduces the absorption of b12.
Way to go retard

>>35657443

No cheese on that brocoli is gay as fuck

>>35661769
I was kind of trolling, but to me it seems logical that saturated fats would protect against heart disease. They only adversely affect cholesterol and triglycerides in a minority of people.

As far as cancer prevention, saturated fats are certainly better than consuming hydrogenated oils or heated PUFAs which cause inflammation and oxidation related to cancer. You'd be better off substituting in saturated fats for shitty omega-6 and trans oils so long as you exercise vigorously, have low bodyfat and no adverse cholesterol reaction to saturated fats

>>35660254
I don't think that this is cause you don't eat animal protein or products, but cause you been now eating more greens, veggies and other nutrtitious stuff cause you gotta replace the animal products somehow.

This is the most logical explanation, or are you really saying that something in meat would make you tired? Maybe your body had a hard time digesting it if you ate a fuck ton of it, but otherwise that theory isn't too plausible. It's just that vegans's tends to have more variety in their diets cause they gotta use some imagination with their diet.

>>35654594
Kekd

>>35662222
Disgusting american detected

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