What would /fit/ consider a good overhead press?

>>35629817
1pl8

first off, "good" does not have any qualifiers, "good for lifting three months" or "good given that i weigh 59kg at 180cm" are meaningless statements

a good OHP starts at 80-100kg depending on your bodyweight

>>35629817
body weight

>>35629867
this

>>35629817
Bodyweight

Why all these bodybuilding form pics have to be so wrong? Fuck

>>35629817
1.8 plate.
2 plate better.
2.5 plate excellent.

>>35629817
I've done 80kg and people in the gym commented on it.

one that was substituted with seated dumbbell press

>>35629817
Generally, this is of course not true for fat asses, 1 pl8 is considered a solid number. You won't see a lot of guys hitting that in many commercial gyms. In general a "good" OHP should be around 70% of your bench. Higher usually points to a fucked up bench, lower points to a fucked up OHP.

>>35629909
>70%

i can't even push press 70kg

>>35629909
>this is of course not true for fat asses
Because they obey different laws of physics?

>The Press

>>35629924
Okay? Are you benching 100kg?

What happens if I do OHP with my palms inwards?

>>35629867
3rd post and it's the correct answer.

>>35629909
I think 70% is a bit much. I can do 1pl8 for 5 reps and do 245 for 1 rep on bench. Im at about 60% for 1rm on OHP, maybe a bit higher but I don't think my OHP is lagging behind bench at all.

1 plate for overhead press
2 plates for bench
3 plates for squat
4 plates for deadlift

Should put you in the top 10% of most gyms.

>>35629935
What the fuck are you even trying to say, retard. Higher body weight makes lifts easier. 1pl8 is not impressive for turbo fatty.

60-80kg is respectable
80-100kg is strong
100kg+ is pretty mental tbqbhwyf

>>35629980
Actually, I think you're right. 60% is the correct ratio. Basically if you can bench 225 you should be able to press 135.

>>35629887
I thought this was a list.
1: 8 pl8
2: plate better
2.5: plate excellent

>>35629988
>Higher body weight makes lifts easier
Because having a higher %bf makes weight you move lighter? Are you high?

>>35630004
Mate I have a 202.5kg bench and my best ohp is 90. When you train a lift to such a specialized degree %s stop working.

Bodyweight is a better standard imo

>>35630028
>Bodyweight is a better standard imo
Bodyweight and wilks only work for manlets to be honest, family.

>>35629967
Not responding because faggy tripcode.

The correct answer is lmao1pl8 for 5 reps.

>>35630052
Fatass detected

>>35630025

Why do you think all strongmen are obese?

>>35630025
Actually yes, are you retard? I need to know because I want to insult you, not tell you about the real disability you suffer from.

>>35630076
manlet detected

>>35630052
M8 wilks works against middleweight lifters because of how it's calculated.

>>35630094
Protip your heart is struggling to keep up with your 230 lb body
Don't get mad that other people are healthier and more fit than you

>>35630028
Yes, it's definitely not you that's imbalanced.

>>35630087
because they have bigger muscles because they're stronger

>>35630093
>are you retard?
No but it seems like you are.
Just because someone weighs more doesn't mean they lift lighter weights. 100kg is always 100kg

>>35629964
yep, for a paused double too, no bouncing.

I can only press a couple ugly reps at 60kg though, how would you go about fixing that? I weigh about 85kg

>>35630093

Tbh senpai, most fat people on /fit/ haven't lifted a finger. So they're just as weak as anyone else.

So then being fatter doesn't mean anything. They are on par with skellies strength-wise.

>>35630118
>Just because someone weighs more doesn't mean they lift lighter weights. 100kg is always 100kg
Never said anything about weights not longer having the same mass. What I did say is it makes the lifts easier. So what's it like having extra chromosomes? Did you discover it by accident or did you come to a realization after everyone kept calling you a fucking retard? What are your thoughts on Anne Coulter?

>>35630116
>manlets think people can't be 230lb and fit
top kek

>>35630117
I said I was imbalanced mate and that's why the percents wouldn't work. You're not arguing against me despite your passive aggressive sarcasm :^)

>>35629817
bodyweight is really good for a man, i would consider at leat 0.75 bw really good for a woman

>>35629981
stop going to dyel gyms

>>35630132
Yes, they are when you compare the ratio of their lifts and body weight. But you suggest that a 100lbs skeleton and a 300lbs fattass will lift the same weight is silly. I've watched turbo fatties squat lmao 1.5pl8 from the start because it's 60% of body weight.

>>35630052
>wilks

Is actually biased towards the extremely low and higher end weight classes. The normal manlet ranges of 74-93kg actually get the shittiest end of the stick

>>35630158

Read:

>>35630132

>>35630158
>What I did say is it makes the lifts easier
Are you fucking dense? 100kg requires the same amount of work done to move it regardless of the lifter's size. It's just as hard for fat people as it is skinny people. If we were talking about different ROM you may have a point, but the energy and strength of the lift are the same regardless of the lifter's body weight

>What are your thoughts on Anne Coulter?
literally who?

>>35630166
No that's exactly why ratios work. You have a problem with your OHP, not the ratio has a problem. And it's a rough fucking guide.

>ohp 1pl8 for 3 reps
>can't even do 185lb bench
help

>>35630182

Senpai, I don't think it works like that desu. They would be lifting their huge bulk and then another huge bulk on their shoulders.

>>35630162
You aren't fit, your fat, and your organs and joints are suffering
Good luck

>>35629981
>>35630179

> implying anywhere near 1 in 10 people are OHPing 1 pl8

>>35630210
What's it like being small and weak?

>>35630224

I did 100 lb ohp and I was happy, desu senpai.

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>>35630193
Jesus christ, you're a fucking idiot. Never said anything about energy, effort, etc.

Body weight plays a part in ability to lift weight. In general, a fat person has a larger muscle mass under those layers of fat then an underfed adult. That larger muscle mass is able to generate more force, thus moving more weight than the smaller person. When looking at the ratio of weight vs weight moved, it's less impressive. Stop being a fucking idiot.

>tfw did a 1 plate ohp for the first time last night
im gonna make it brehs

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>>35630210
>105kg equals fat

OUTTA MY WAY, TWINK FUCKING SHITS

>>35630227
I wouldn't know, my mom didn't ingest bovine growth hormone when I was in the womb so I'm a healthy normal size and look better than you

>>35630193
We got another fatty in the thread. Everyone watch out.

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>tfw can rep 225 x 6 on military press

based God-given shoulder genetics

>>35630263
Post pictures. Show everyone how much better you look.

>>35630025
>>35630118
i don't mind all newfags but you should be silent observers until you know enough about the subject to give a well informed opinion

>>35630203
I'm of a similar dilemma. Long torso and strong hips allow me to leverage myself to complete an OHP from chin to full extension, but my bench is shit tier. I spoke with a coach about it and he suggested moving everything chest related to the start of my routine on chest say (so, bench press to incline bench to overhead press, and then following accessories) and switching to 5x5. For the first week, start with something you can complete (maybe 165lbs even) and when you're able to do all of those sets with a strict rest period of no more than two minutes, move the weigh up ten pounds. Continue until able to completely that, moving the weight down 5lbs after failing a set, and doing so until you can get 5 sets of 5 reps.

We're gonna make it, bro

>>35630247
>Never said anything about energy, effort
Do you even into basic physics?
These things all come into effect when you move mass i.e. lifting fucking weights.

>a fat person has a larger muscle mass under those layers of fat then an underfed adult
muscle mass and fat aren't the same thing.


>these are the retards offering lifting advice on this vietnamese prostitution ring website.

>>35629878
There is nothing particularly wrong about that form. You autist.

>>35630288
You would know the phrase "lurk moar" if you weren't a newfag yourself, newfag

>>35629909
Sounds good to me.

5rm
>57.5kg bench
>40kg OHP

working on them tho

>>35630330
i've been on /fit/ since my sophomore year of highschool when i was doing pushups and situps in my bedroom, and i'm currently a junior in college, so you can do the math on that

>>35630317
>He thinks that mass isn't relative to gravitational pull
>he thinks weights are consistent across all large bodies exerting pull
Did you drop out of school or did someone drop you on your head?

>>35630352
I'm not an Ameritard and could NOT care less about how your schooling system works so I can't do that mathS.

>>35630368
>Can't add numbers
>mathS
You can't do typing either.

>>35630363
That means OHP would be harder for fat people because they have to fight their own gravitational pull.

Which makes the other guy doubley retarded

>>35630382
>He thinks OHP involves pressing yourself over your head

Please go

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>>35630368

>>35630377
>being too dumb for the joke
typical american

>>35630399
You can't do jokes either.

>tfw 70 kg bw
>tfw 61 kg OHP

Am doing 3x8

>>35630025
U dum

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>>35630398
POO
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wait, what? Is U 'Le Meme' K really doing this?
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>>35630025

Higher bf%, for whatever reason, makes it a lot easier to gain and hold muscle. It's a lot easier to be really jacked underneath 15-20% BF than it is to be really jacked when you have veiny abs.

Therefore, if you are heavy, 135 is a smaller percentage of your body weight AND you have an advantage in how much muscle you can carry.

lurk moar until you know what the fuck you're talking about

>tfw reading this thread
>tfw I OHP 72kg
lmao you dyels

start training OHP seriously

I would consider a 2pl8 ohp impressive. My 1RM is 175 lbs, almost at 1.5pl8.

I see a lot of fags lean back and turn it into a pseudo-incline bench, not to mention people that think their push press counts. Fuck you if you do either of those.

>>35629817
How do I increase OHP? 3 months after first starting to lift, I could do 135x10 with strict form, but I could only bench 185x5. Then I dislocated my shoulder in judo and now my OHP went down to 115x3 couple months later when I tried again. Now I can do 135x3 and bench 245.

>>35630317

Listen to me Anon.

DYEL fatties have more muscle mass than DYEL skellies, because they are constantly overfed and carry all that extra weight around.

Fatties who lift are also more muscular than leaner people who lift, because they don't bother with cutting and eat as much as possible.

They don't look really muscular because all that lard covers it up.

If you are a fatass who lifts, 1pl8 isn't that impressive for you because it's like half your bodyweight. Kilo for kilo, you are about as strong as a DYEL 70 kg guy who has a max of 35 kg.

>>35629909
>1 pl8 is considered a solid number. You won't see a lot of guys hitting that in many commercial gyms

what

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>>35630618

>3 months after first starting to lift, I could do 135x10 with strict form,

>>35630657
I was also 110 pounds heavier though. Didn't even know that was a good number. All I cared about back then was my bench. I wish I would've appreciated my OHP more.

>>35630382
>>35630395
i'm with you m8.
ignore the other faggots.
the only question here was if a higher bf% makes you stronger and that is incorrect because a higher bf% does not imply more muscle mass.

>>35630260
The guy in that picture is clearly fat. I've got some bad news for you bro.
>but muh powahliftin
Fuck off. Do some cardio you fat cunt.

DB Shoulder press or OHP with barbell?

I can OHP 1.5 pl8 on the smith machine now, but I started getting mires around 1pl8

>>35630322
his palms

>>35629866
If you can press 1 plate at 59 kg 180 cm, that is good, because what it means is this:
Your body is extremely neurally efficient and once you build another 20-30 pounds of muscle, you will be out lifting guys who outweigh you by 100 pounds.

Force production and muscle cross sectional area are one and the same for natural lifters, even for the majority of steroid users.

>>35630703
It's not that being fat makes you stronger. It's that there is a clear correlation between body weight and weight able to be lifted. In general when comparing two untrained people, the fatter one will move more weight but the ratio of weight lifted to body weight will probably be about the same as the thinner person.

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>>35630805
What about them?

>>35630647
Most people in commercial gyms don't even press anon. There are generally a handful that actually move over 135. Go hang out at your local 24 hour fitness centers and see how many people shy from a barbell.

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>>35630013

>>35630263
>healthy normal size
>health at every size
Stupid piece of shit skelly detected. You shouldn't be allowed to speak to your superiors, midget.