Because you realized that all the girls that said they wanted a nice guy were just lying to protect you sensibilities and what they really want is a yoked Chad with a solid jaw line standing at least 6 feet tall with an 8x6 and a solid income. Once you have a few of those and realize you can still be an asshole autist, you start to hate them. Or at least exploit them.
>>35608211 There is a bit of a culture that surrounds weightlifting. People do it for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons is desirability, so women will like you. So, it becomes easy to just call women superficial/whores or whatever, because you are lacking in something that women don't like.
side note, all women are different, and sometimes guys pick shit women who look good, and skip over good quality women, because they aren't a 10/10. Try going out with 6-7/10 women, and see what you think of that.
>>35608345 not my experience, but maybe that happens to you. I have no idea. Most of the time, I find the average girl has more personality, and is much nicer. Then the drop dead gorgeous ones. But I have met a few beauties who are awesome.
>>35608211 It's just one more reminder of how much harder a man has to work and how fucking easy life is as a woman. You are now going after women who put half as much effort into being fit as you do, and they're still the ones judging you and rejecting you.
A chubby girl gets asked out on more dates than a guy with a six-pack. And yet women somehow bitch about petty problems, which makes us hate them for being entitled brats
it's more about attitude than looks, but looks will get you places. i think when you become physically attractive and girls with boyfriends start trying to get on your dick you start realizing a lot of women arent what they pretend to be. being attractive + not giving a fuck = they want you
>>35608308 I have literally never in my entire life rejected a 6-7/10 woman.
Men aren't "skipping over" shit. If those 6/10 women feel they aren't getting enough attention maybe they can get off their lazy asses and start asking guys out for a change. If a woman isn't willing to take half as much initiative as the average guy does, then obviously she's fine with whatever attention she's getting.
>>35608430 >I think women operate the same way as men. True, but most women can go through life not thinking they're ugly. And even if they do realize it, they'll still get dick. But I think when you're an ugly male, you're waaaay more fucked.
>>35608426 Why do you blame the women for this though? They aren't inherently valuable. They are only valuable because men give them value. If guys stopped orbiting 4/10s and begging to fuck every girl who even looked at them, these women would completely drop off. The consumer is the problem, not the product.. without a market, they will feel the need to redesign.
>>35608211 >>35608227 >>35608289 >what they really want is a yoked Chad with a solid jaw line standing at least 6 feet tall with an 8x6 and a solid income. >Once you have a few of those and realize you can still be an asshole autist, you start to hate them. Or at least exploit them. all of dis. It doesn't get much better either. The next step is to go out there and slay (if you aren't already).
>>35608266 femanons' go-to response when we get a thread calling out women on their shit >did a girl reject you? >V-VIRGIN! nope, thanks for proving that you are only worth your vagina though.
>>35608417 it happens women do, they just probably aren't asking you out, but besides, that is cultural too. Women aren't really supposed to ask anyone out, that is the guys job. Like it or not, that is how we are raised. So, we have to do the asking.
It's a numbers game anon, nothing to be frustrated about. Just keep asking girls out, keep trying to better yourself, and get something going with your life, like hobbies, professions. Women will fall into place.
>>35608387 It's a matter of priority. Getting sex and dates is the only thing that matters to you because it's all you desire and all you can't have. To a woman, their "petty problems" are infinitely more taxing because most of them dgaf that they can have sex, and don't see it as the huge boon that you see it as.
>>35608462 Because women still complain. They have it so fucking easy and they still complain. If you saw a millionaire complaining about not having enough money wouldn't you start hating them eventually?
Also a lot of women abuse it. A lot of guys here don't like the traditional gender roles of men having to do all the work and bend over backwards for women. Women abuse their privilege by making guys do more work in relationships. Just because they're more desired doesn't mean they have to constantly demand preferential treatment.
>>35608462 That's the problem, though. Society (atleast my country, US) caters to women for every little thing and doesn't give a shit about men. Humans biologically need sex to survive, reproduction. But what happens is all of the top 20%-30% men (famous, rich, really good looking) are fucking all of the women and the rest of the 70%-80% (average men or ugly) are barely having sex or not having any at all. Its biology and history has shown that. Women seek out the best genes.
Not buying into this hatred. Perhaps you hate the fact that no matter how far you go in the gym it takes more than a body to land a beautiful woman. You need to be able to approach a girl and not look like a shy sensitive little autistic bitch. Wouldn't be saying this shit if a 9.5/10 mirin qt came up to you at gym and hit you up.
>>35608474 hahahah, you can't go off that shit. That is online. meeting people in real life is far different, what is the success rate of successful online relationships? I bet it's low.
I liken online dating to the creation of bomb in warfare. It is very easy to do the killing when no face to face with someone. For online, it is very easy to reject people, and be picky when you do it to a screen.
>>35608481 >Women are judged from their looks inherited, they don't even have to be good looking they can be average and still get fucked. >men are judged by their monetary success Sure, that's one of them. But are most men millionaires? I know you're not this fucking retarded.
>>35608523 >living in fear of rape thats cool hon but men have to worry about every other violent crime, having to build status and income, sense of style, attitude towards women, fitness, height etc unless a woman is ugly as fuck all she has to do is not be fat and dumpy, she can get a man and special treatment in education and employment just because she is a woman
>>35608537 No, I'll give another example. I'm a officer in the military. Literally, everyone's wife is about 8 or above. Maybe millionaire was a bad example, but a man who can make a comfortable living probably will have a good pick of women, as long as he isn't hideous.
>>35608507 >Just because they're more desired doesn't mean they have to constantly demand preferential treatment. LOL. That's how the world works, dude. For example, star basketball players like Kobe can make all kinds of crazy fucking demands of their team + management because they're more desirable than the other players. If you were a top employee at your job and another job offered you a higher salary, would you not take it? And then if your job wants to keep you, you would demand that they pay you as much, if not more, than the other employer is offering? It's just how shit works.
>>35608469 >it happens women do, they just probably aren't asking you out, see pic-related in >>35608474 Yeah, women sometimes ask men out. Very rarely, and when they do it's a 4/10 woman asking a 10/10 man out.
> that is cultural too. Women aren't really supposed to ask anyone out Aren't they always bitching about equality? Why aren't they supposed to? Certainly not because guys don't want them to. It has nothing to do with culture or bullshit like that, it's solely because women don't want to ask men out. If a 6/10 man literally never asked any women out on dates, and then complained about being single, would you show any sympathy? Would you tell women that they're standards are too high for "skipping over" him? Of course not. So why are anons white knighting for 6/10 women who expect everything to be handed to them on a platter? A 10/10 man gets skipped over more than a 6/10 woman, and yet the anon above is trying to have a pity party for the 6/10 woman.
>It's a numbers game anon Yeah, one that is MASSIVELY stacked against men. That is an objective, irrefutable truth, so I don't know why in threads like this people always feel the need to pretend that women have problems with dating too. Literally every single woman who works half as hard at fitness as I do can get a bf with virtually no effort. So I'm really not interested in the sob stories about the women who don't get asked out enough (but still get asked out more than most guys do)
>>35608573 That's a provider role. Just because you're average looking with an average job supporting your wife/girlfriend doesn't mean she is actually attracted to you. Especially in the military, do you think while you all are away for MONTHS on end that some/most of their wives aren't seeing other dudes behind their back? Women follow their emotions, family.
>>35608578 >That's how the world works, dude. Yes, and? Literally every single time it happens where somebody abuses an unearned privilege to demand special treatment we as a society condemn it. So why do people make a fuss when we condemn women abusing their female privilege to enforce traditional gender roles?
The stuff about employees etc is different, that's something you earn. A better analogy would be somebody with family connections riding their name to fame and fortune and shitting all over people who worked harder. Something that happens, but also something that most people think is shitty
>>35608500 sounds boring as fuck to be honest. whats the point of going through life without ever knowing who you actually are.
without struggle you will never learn anything about yourself. thats why most women are boring as fuck, they have never had to challenge themselves. no talents, no hobbies, no true dreams or desires (being prettier than the next girl doesnt count).
dedication, sacrifice, consistency...these are things that make a man.
>>35608523 >muh rape >>>/tumblr/ Excluding heinous crimes that we send people to jail for and put them on watch lists for life, you could be a woman and live the easiest life imaginable. Assuming you live in a first world country which you likely do since you're shitposting in the internet about your fake problems. Go help an Indian women that actually being raped by pajeet.
Holy shit, do you guys actually believe the things you're posting here? If so, I think I figured out why you have so much difficulty attracting women.
I'll coach you. I'm a normie girl who has been sexually and romantically involved with more women than anyone posting in this thread guaranteed. I've gotten all my male friends laid at least once with a 7/10+. It's really easy once you understand what women are actually like and stop projecting your own 4chan redpill perceptions onto them.
>>35608598 >2016 >still feeling guilty about exploiting women I gave that up years ago. Not caring about women's feelings will make you much more assertive around them, which makes them much more attracted to you. Go ahead, give it a try. Exploiting women makes them more attracted to you, which makes it that much easier to disregard their feelings.
Equality? This is the dating game you are talking about. Equality doesn't matter here. If you want fair, then go to the fair. We have things we do in our society that is deemed "right", and deemed "wrong". I get it. It sucks sometimes, It blows, but if you follow certain societal codes, you are rewarded.
Looking bitching about it, doesn't change that fact. You are obviously angry about a truth. That truth is probably you want a women, but are having a hard time getting one, that feel you deserve to have. I've been there, it isn't fun. Accept this truth, move on, better yourself, and stop wasting your time hating women, and focus on something more worthwhile. Honestly, complaining about this will get you no where.
>>35608634 >I'm a normie girl taking dating advice from women is the biggest joke family. I've done fine myself but I've witnessed injustices. >I've gotten all my male friends laid at least once with a 7/10+ Unless they're above average looking or the girl felt bad I don't believe you >4chan redpill perceptions onto them Literally have gotten the most pussy after discovering the redpill. And most of those girls seemed to have the same opinion as you.
>>35608345 >You have to be in the top 5-10% of the male population to get a 6/10 plain Jane and even then she'll probably be a bitch. Holy shit, you sound like a little bitch with an inferiority complex. For your sake, please discard that bullshit notion or else you'll end up becoming even more jaded.
It's good to be cynical. It's good to be observant of other peoples' shortcomings (i.e. the superficiality of most people). But don't become so goddamn jaded that you end up embodying the redpill meme. Fuck. Before you know it you'll end up shooting a school or something.
>>35608634 >get my shit together 2 years ago >stop giving a fuck about women >mostly ignore them and treat them like shit >more women in 1 year than the entire rest of my life where i gave a fuck i learned that what women say is bullshit. watch what they actually do (fuck guys who are "assholes"), don't listen to what they say (i want a sensitive caring nice guy).
Because you're probably barely a few months into lifting and have been doing a shit job so far, and went in with the expectation that fit=women. And now your autism is kicking into overdrive and you're getting buttblasted because you're just as, if not more, creepy and unattractive to women than you were before. Try lifitng, dieting, and exercising CORRECTLY and not being such an autistic fuckboy, and maybe then you'll stop hating women for your own personal faults.
>>35608643 Ooh I'm aware. Just playing devil's advocate. I'm a long way from the white knight that tried to protect women's emotions.
The irony of feminism is that by treating women like my equal I'm actually a huge fucking dick to them which they like for whatever reason.
>have a feminist fuck buddy >she literally never brings up politics around me >sucks my dick workout me asking >offers to pay for drinks when we go out >wants me to fuck her into the dirt >shaves everything If they could all be this way I'd say the sjw movement was fine by me.
Even if the vast majority of women were only sleeping with 10-20% of male population (a completely made up statistic) they would be entirely within their rights to do so.
What are you mad about, is it that Women have standards and expectations about their sexual partners? Because that's what it seems like and it makes you sound like HAES fatties desperately trying to tell men "big is beautiful."
Maybe you guys should start a movement to persuade women that ugly, fat men with autism are hot too?
>>35608698 You act like I wouldn't say exactly that. Men jump to conclusions and get defensive so quick. The key to getting women is to literally stop putting pussy on pedestal and making it your entire life. Women can feel the fucking pathetic desperation dripping off you. It's apparent in your actions, how you speak, and how you interact with them (and other women) that all you want in life is to get laid and it's all you think about and care about and post on 4chan about. The more you become obsessed with it, the harder it becomes to obtain. When all your actions revolve around trying to get pussy, it literally repels women.
If you just focus on improving yourself, whether in your career, physique, intellect, or hobbies, but ONLY for yourself and not for the sake of impressing women, you will get women. It's paradoxical but it makes sense, you know. Every woman knows hundreds of guys trying to fuck girls. It's boring. It's not special. Women like special. When you show up with a life that doesn't revolve around them, and passions that don't exist for ass, women will flock to you.I think it's wrong to say women like being treated like shit, but they certainly don't like being thirsted after. A guy who has a life independent of women and has passions, values, and dreams that he believes in strongly and WON'T change for women, will get women.
>>35608817 I don't think they're mad about their standards, they're mad that women aren't admitting what they actually want like >>35608830 did. But that's literally the female sex life. It's more of a response thing than an actually choosing thing
side note: I just picked every waffle in the captcha and they didn't let me get past. The fuck my nigga.
>>35608523 Hey it's nothing to be pissed off about with the fact that us women live our life with an easy mode. Since I started lifting weights my life became even more easier. Even if you do or don't lift weights you will be living in a easy mode anyways since we're women. I'm not really taking down on women, that's just fact.
>>35608832 not even an mra/mgtow fag but those guys talk about actual issues like father custody, false rape accusation, prison rape etc whereas feminists bring up memes like rape culture and manspreading
>>35608907 that's true. I was trying to make a joke, but they make a few good points, but I think that movement is sorta off base. I liken it to the white man saying the most oppressed group is white people, and he says it because he had to go to Colombia instead of yale.
>>35608866 >but girls do still have it pretty easy I'll agree with this. Most females will live easier lives than most men . . . but that is not going to guarantee happiness for them. Even with their easier lives females are still going to feel depressed, miserable, and aimless. The human condition bitchslaps both genders, man.
>>35608886 Silly me! I didn't realise that women are an entirely homogenous group. This homogenous group, despite racial, cultural, economic and religious divides, all like and dislike the exact same things.
Thanks for informing me!
You sound like a sjw talking about how all men are "rapists" or all men have "privellge".
>>35608753 >as a man would you want to do fuck all with your life and get everything handed to you? I bought 5 lottery tickets today so I could do exactly that. (it didn't work)
>>35608872 but women get depressed over stupid shit. I know women who are sad about being """rejected""" even though they have lots of guys approaching them and countless messages on OKCupid. Sorry if I don't feel sympathy for women pretending to be sad over that.
>>35608507 My problem is women who aren't fulfilling their end of the traditional roles. They want me to bend over backwards to please them because they think they are princesses, but they don't want to lift a finger to take care of the home. If I just worked 12 night shift to earn enough money to provide for you, the least you can do is haul your lazy ass out of bed to cook breakfast for me. If all I wanted was a warm hole I would have bought a fleshlight. I would have saved a ton of money.
>>35608507 But what about >being a mother is a full time job
I have no idea why people continue to perpetuate this meme. Dropping kids off at school, watching TV all day, picking kids up from school, and watching TV all night while kids play video games is not much of a job
>>35608523 >muh rape culture! Men get drunk and hook up too anon, we just don't get to pretend we were raped afterwards
>>35608894 It is a fact though. You can't deny that the problems of an average woman don't even compare to those of an average man. You see what guys on /fit/ are complaining about the most? Or any men under 30? Dating and relationships and sex. Problems that are literally non-exisent for you. You have never been single unless you wanted to be, while even Chads have to be lonely sometimes. And that's a pretty big deal whether you want to admit it or not.
you honestly think a man that lives his life "independent" from women is going to be desired? he will be seen as weird and lonely because hes not devoting his every moment trying to attract the opposite sex.
if guys put in effort then they're told you're trying too hard and that women can "sense" their desperation, if they go and do their own thing then they're told that they're lonely virgins who are too scared to "man up".
>>35608936 well the white man isnt allowed to represent his own interests or even say that his nation or heritage are wroth preserving without being called a racist so maybe theres something to it clan i mean white guys are even told not to participate in shit at universities anymore because privilege, being told to shut up and fuck off because of who you are sounds a bit oppressive to be honest
>>35608998 I think it's more caring for the child 24/7 from infancy to primary school that's the hard part, anon. It's obviously not as challenging as a full time job, but it's not a cakewalk either. Children are high maintenance.
>>35608634 >woman claiming her female friends are 7+/10 kek. Women have massively warped standards of other women, just because you think your fat friend is a 7 doesn't make it true sweetheart.
> once you understand what women are actually like you mean selfish, manipulative cunts that are easiest to fuck when we act selfish and manipulative too? Yeah I figured that out a couple years ago, helped me out plenty thanks. The main theme of this thread is that a) Men have to work harder than women do for sex/dating b) women's standards are higher than men's those are irrefutable truths so I'm not sure what you're going to """coach""" us on?
>>35609038 I don't know man, all of history is basically a study on the success of whites. My university had a heritage club dedicated to mainly white heritage. Actually, there was a women's center in my university, but they were forced to change it to the gender center to make it more inclusive. I look around me, I don't see white people really struggling. I see other colors. I grew up in a rich white area, and mexicans made up 50 percent of the people in poverty, and they were like 5 percent of the population. I hear what you are saying, I just don't think numbers support it.
>>35609055 being a female is not winning the lottery. if being boring as shit, controlled 100% by your emotion, void of rational and critical thought is your version of winning the lottery then your mind is fucked my friend.
>>35608983 > women who aren't fulfilling their end of the traditional roles. I'm liberal, but I've started leaning more toward conservative women. Feminist women expect me to adhere to traditional gender roles just as much as conservative women; they'll never ask me out first, they'll never take any initiative, etc. But at least the conservative women give something in return sometimes and are actually appreciative of the work men do. Feminist women just bitch about the sexism that they're responsible for.
>>35609016 You're being obtuse don't you think? Ignoring all the shit women have to deal with. More like >go shopping >black guy says "good morning" >[triggered] street harassment is real anon, be lucky you don't have to deal with it
>>35609112 I actually read a dating book that suggested only dating religious women, like go to church every sunday, and you know what I bet the relationships are better. I read a study that said one of the determinants of a good marriage was religious background.
If anything it's made me realize how laughably weaker women are and it kind of ruins my suspension of disbelief whenever I'm watching some movie and they have le badass chick start beating some guy's ass
I don't even know why any of you are arguing because you can debate all day but people will still cling to what they believe in unless they experience it (which is impossible due to gender, and even then prob wouldn't change anyone's opinion).
>>35609093 >history is basically a study on the success of whites because thats what they did throughout history, its the most important shit. if you want to study other shit there's lots of specialized history but theirs is the most relevant also i grew up the opposite, white guy in a poor area thats 80% nonwhite, usually the only white kid in classes etc. and i get to have spoiled rich white/asian girls going to school with daddys money to get a meme degree tell me about my privilege while i grew up in a shithole and wont be going to school because no money and no minority meme grants/scholarships
>>35609196 I'm an liberal atheist too, but to be honest, once I got over the whole belief thing. I just sorta run with it. I enjoy the community, great group of people, you develop strong connections, and business relationships. The only thing is sorta got to fake it. If you can do that, then you're all right. I can fake it for her, and because of it the relationship is great. I know it comes off as dishonest, but my life is pretty good, because of it.
>>35609205 I do lift and am pretty fit. Not all liberals are beanpole hippies. Though the fat acceptance movement is another reason I stay away from feminists. A non-feminist liberal woman might be all right, but a feminist woman will probably become fat in a few years (if she isn't already) to fight back against the patriarchy
A feminist woman will have no second thoughts about robbing your ass blind after getting married, or claiming rape if things go sour
If a woman goes out of her way to label herself a "feminist" I consider that one of the most major red flags possible and avoid like the plague, leave it to some beta to get his life reamed by this bitch
>>35609211 well, the thing is that isn't true about history, a lot of other groups have done great things, we just hear how great the whites were. Our history, we learn about growing up is pretty selective. It wasn't tell college, where I was given a wide range of different historical views, that I realized this. I grew up poor too. A lot of white people do, but you're white, that still converse a advantage. I had my education paid for completely. Through scholar ships, and government grants.
It was created by white Europeans, and was heavily dominated by white Europeans up until the 1960's when they opened the southern floodgates and truly turned it "multicultural"
minorities get affirmative action and a better shot at good schools just because of their race, have special minority clubs and departments, minority/female grants and scholarships, inclusion and diversity programs, and get to march around and demand shit when they feel unhappy with something
as a white male in STEM I'm the least "privileged" from an institutional standpoint as I'm afforded none of these benefits
I'm not rich. I don't give a fuck about what other white people are doing. I thought we were going to stop judging people based off of the color of their skin?
>>35609255 >major red flag Me too. I used to think I could deal with it, but at least 90% of the time a woman goes out of her way to put "feminist" in a dating profile she's bad even by feminist standards. Automatic left-swipe on Tinder for that.
>>35609299 not him, and im not an american either, but its a country founded by whites and was vast majority white until very recently. its a white country.
honestly i propose at this point that all POC can be free of our white oppression and tricknology by deporting all whites to our own country, and then building a big wall around it so we cant oppress anyone anymore
>>35609331 America was dominated by native Americans originally. That is really where our history starts. And native Americans is really too general. They considered themselves different people. Mexicans literally owned 1/3 of the country. Blacks were getting shipped over here in the 1700-1800. The slave trade was a huge part of American history.
Ghetto's was formed by white people, basically forcing black people to move to a certain area together. You know I'm white too, but I'm just not in denial of facts. America was always pretty multicultural. Maybe only free white people were counted, but yea, there was different cultures.
I think we can stop judging by color the second. You see poverty rates proportional to the amount of people in the country.
>>35609368 Yeah, because absolutely no woman in the world has a job. Not a single one. They all just fuck for money. Not a single biological female on the entire planet Earth slaves away at a shitty job and pays their own bills. /s
They didn't keep much of it. Major problem #1 with your complaint: they didn't keep anything close to the same level of detailed historical record Europeans did. What are you going to do, conjure history out of thin air? We focus on what's relevant and well sourced and that's primarily European and U.S. history.
>Mexicans literally owned 1/3 of the country
Of the territory. Not the country. lol
>Blacks were getting shipped over here in the 1700-1800. The slave trade was a huge part of American history.
And everyone is taught about that, for many grades.
>You know I'm white too >Ghetto's was formed by white people
I find that dubious
whites were 90% of the country in 1950.
>I think we can stop judging by color the second. You see poverty rates proportional to the amount of people in the country.
So you're fine with racism when it benefits you? Neat. As for me, I've only ever been negatively affected by it and enjoyed none of this "privilege" I keep getting talked to about. When do I get to cash in my white privilege card?
>>35608289 But wouldn't every guy want the female equivalent of a Chad as well? If we could get a girl with great genetics who looked great and wasn't as dumb as a bag of rocks then we would wife that shit up as well. So why the double standard?
>>35608753 >this line of thought Bitches want the privledges of men, with out the suffering of men Fuck no. Faggots like you give them those privledges and then try to talk shit about anyone who says thats fucked up with bullshit like "be a man". Fuck you Its white knighting faggots like you that make the world shit
>>35609431 you probably already do. I know I do. I didn't really learn about the slave trade until college. You learn about it in passing in high school. College is where they really go into, how i came about, the mechanics of it. Either way, agree to disagree. I'm going to bed.
So my whole life I was a tomboy. Not the cool type. The autist type. Very tall. Braces. Probably actual high functioning autism. I wanted to be a boy because of what you guys are saying about women. Never let a guy hold a door open, never let a guy buy me a drink. I knew it at a young age. Meet guy years later. Decide to give it a chance. Try to be girly at times. Become submissive stay at home college student. Still awkward but genuinely sexually attracted to him. Want to make him happy. Try to be girly for him and only him but still be myself. Go after the more autistlike girls. Not the attentionwhore type.
>>35609010 If I wanted to get a boyfriend/get laid I can literally get it asap within 30 mins from now. Literally that is how easy my opposite gender game is right now. I'm no being cocky, just stating the truth since my social media is filled with messages and in real life I have many people approaching/creeping me in person and social medias. If I was a promiscuous person I would be living a dream life for some people. All of that just because I'm a female lifter. But my mental issue, my busy life schedule and my personality prohibits me from doing those. My point is that women do live their life on easy mode if they take care of themselves, even if they are ugly as shit they still would be having some level of ease mode. Like I said it's just the way it is. But when we get around 40~60 we're pretty screwed though.
>>35609537 Also, you can go after a weirdo girl with a high sex drive. My bf no longer watches porn or masturbates because I take care of that for him. I do in fact crave it. And I'm not ugly. Not gorgeous. But a lot of girls want sex as much as guys and more.
>>35609550 And most of you would probably have to deal with women around that age when you got to that settling stage of your lives. Some men on the other hand are like wine, as they age they get better.
"Eighty-seven percent of women become parents during their working lives. 3 ... 3. Jane Waldfogel, "The Effect of Children on Women�s Wages," American Sociological Review 62 (1997): 209.
Similarly, 81 percent of men become fathers at some point in their lives. See Nancy E. Dowd, Redefining Fatherhood (New York: New York University Press, 2000)"
source: American Association of University Professors http://www.aaup.org/statements/REPORTS/re01fam.htm
Similar percentages are reported by the US Department of Health & Human Services
Percentage of adults ages 45 and older who have ever had a biological child (2000) Males: 84% Females: 86%
source: US Department of Health & Human Services "Charting Parenthood: A Statistical Portrait of Fathers and Mothers in America" http://fatherhood.hhs.gov/charting02/introduction.htm#Who
Of course, these percentages do not include the adults ages 45 and older who have not yet had their first child but eventually do so. However, against the population as a whole, such people aren't going to be statistically significant.
The number of births to women 45 to 54 years old was 4,565 in 2000. source: Associated Press http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/2642279.htm
4,565 births represents only a tiny percentage of the total births in the U.S., and it is even less significant for purposes of this question when you consider that many of those mothers were not first-time mothers. And while men older than 45 can and do father children, the percentage of men who become first-time fathers at 45 or older is very small.
Also see: ABC News "Eighty percent of Americans today become parents." http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/women_nochildren1020603.html
"Canadian research suggests that around 11 percent of men will not have children." source: Teendads.org.za http://www.teendads.org.nz/fatherandchild/fcarchives/issue08/blended.html
Tbhfam, most of the 4chan fags here are getting mad at you because you're not conforming to their hugbox of hate. This site is basically the same as tumblr, but on the opposite side of the spectrum. Two sides of the same coin. The truth hurts.
>>35609589 >girl with a high sex drive You have no idea how much I want this. Last chick I was with barely wanted to fuck, didn't like to give head, and didn't even like getting fingered that often. She was how I described earlier- mainly wanted emotional support.
It suck, I was ready to make her cum 3x a day and vice versa
As much as I hate the fact that I don't have the ability to just open my legs and then get everything I want, dude, it's shitty, but being a man, although more difficult is WAY more rewarding.
>virtually no fear of rape >don't feel afraid walking around >can make legitimate gains >bigger, faster, stronger than the opposite sex >people respect you more automatically than a woman (depending on where you go or who you talk to) >actually have power
Because we don't have the ability to whore ourselves out, which sucks, but it's also great because that means we actually have to try in life. At first glance that might seem like a shitty deal, but we're the ones being educated, growing as people, actually having a life of our own and having our own TRUE power, not borrowed power.
Still hate women, though. After getting laid and out of a relationship, I'm finally comfy because I'm not a virgin anymore. Do I want to have sex with girls? Fuck yeah, but I don't care as much anymore and put that shit on the backburner. I figure that just doing your own thing and waiting for one to find you would just be better.
>>35609615 Honestly what I would recommend is a girl who has a combination of borderline personality disorder traits (will crave sex) and some ocd traits (will not be as promiscuous and impulsive as regular borderline and will do well with structure)
>>35609611 >This site is basically the same as tumblr, but on the opposite side of the spectrum. This. 4chan has boiled down to an echo chamber of hate. I wouldn't recommend browsing here if you have trouble connecting to people in the real world because this place will only give you bad habits and a distorted view on things.
>>35609638 Before anavar my sex drive was non existent. During my cycle my sex drive was extremely high to the point that I had to stop working and sit on a toilet and hide myself. I think effect of that really depends on people since everyone's body is different but it was mind blowing for me. And yes, it might make the crazies even more crazy, but might be fun in bed.
>>35609646 A straight up borderline yes. But I'm talking about one that is hard to spot because they aren't social and outgoing. They behave more like an autist because of the ocd. Once they put their attention on you....if you can fuck them and dominate them and make that a spiritual experience they will worship you. Just gotta be consistent.
>>35609647 4chan tends to attract a certain type of person that fulfill at least one of these qualities. These people are: 1. Social rejects 2. Ugly 3. Have some form of mental illness or autism 4. Bitter about their virginity or something else 5. Underaged edge kids
Most of these people tend to be white for some reason
>>35608698 are u sure man? i tried to act like an asshole on pof ya kno "i want to fuck and thats it" sort of guy, but im so bad at conversing like a normal person and im so awkward. even tho i got a few matches i deleted my pof account a day after making it, it just felt so weird idk how talk to a girl in to just having sex
u guys say stop being the nice guy and stop putting pussy on the pedestal but idk how else to act...
>>35609736 >>35609751 this is also what throws me off. cheekie (woman i think) is telling em to just be myself (which is a nice meek guy) but thats boring to girls right? and then theres anon (im pretty sure is a guy) who's telling me to not treat girls like the princesses i think some of them are... man what is wrong with me... too many conflicting thoughts and outside opinions...
>>35609817 Merge them nigga. Cheekie and I are right. Why would you treat a girl like a princess? What has she done? Have looks? Nigger there's hot girls everywhere. Just treat women how you would your little sister or a child and life gets easier
>>35609785 This. At least women get valued for their looks.
Average guys don't get valued for looks or for fucking anything. Then they get to get blasted apart on the front lines of every war in history while women sat in the back and diddled their fucking pussies.
I have a friend who has done so much better than I have with women pretty much since I met him in grade 7. Im 25 now.
It used to piss me off, because he's mostly an asshole to girls, constantly ignores their texts, blows them off if he's not into it, always makes jokes at their expense and still always ends up getting with the cutest girl, usually the one I had my eye on. He matches with anyone he wants to on Tinder and constantly has girls asking him to chill with him. It's silly.
I get that you guys are mad, it's no fun not getting attention. I used to be pissed about it. But sooner or later I had to look in the mirror and face reality. My buddy is in great shape, works hard, can hold a conversation and joke around with anyone, and generally gives off this dgaf attitude. I was kinda chubby, lazy, not very social and constantly depressed or angry about something. I wouldn't want to date the female version of me. So why in the fuck should I expect blondie to pay me any attention when she has better options, and not just physically either. I wasn't very fun to be around. Working on improving all that now for the past while and I can tell you as cheesy as it sounds it does get better.
If you want a 10, hell an 8 you have to be one yourself. You don't wanna hear this but that involves hard work and dedication, stuff that real cute girl works on all the time, even if you don't see it. Yes it sucks sometimes. It's also the way it is, regardless of if it's "how it should be."
Anyways, went on a bit of a rant there but I just see my old self in so many of your posts. Don't waste your time on all this negative shit. Life sucks, people suck, and circumstances suck enough as is. The only thing you can control is you. Change yourself for the better and you change your position in life. I've been there myself. Still getting there.
>>35609611 >>35609647 >>35609683 >4chan >like Tumblr Not at all. This is the only mainstream place where "dissenting" opinions can be freely expressed and people will have discussion without relying on some upboat/like system to boost their argument.
The fact that there are people in this thread saying that women have it easy AND people saying that "they don't have it easy, they would rather have x" proves this.
Even /pol/ can have some independent thoughts now and then
>>35609799 >i'd bet you that most guys would be willing to settle for an average girl, more than a girl would be willing to settle for an average guy. >noone deserves anything, but girls feel as if they are a prize to be won, and deserve only the best. This, desu.
>>35608227 Maybe you realize how awful you are at bringing out their depths.
>>35608468 >femanons' go-to response when we get a thread calling out women on their shit >>did a girl reject you? >>V-VIRGIN! >nope, thanks for proving that you are only worth your vagina though. Is calling them a virgin not a relevant reply? Is sex not great enough to shelf any potential negativity? If you don't rapport with a woman, can't you just move on and enjoy your interesting life?
>>35609857 I love women family, but they do have it easier. Life is pretty good if you're a popular dude though, girls really don't care what you look like and will fuck anyway because no one will turn heads.
>>35609927 >what is rapport If you were having sex with a girl and she did something you didn't like, would you call her boring? Isn't there something inherent that you're there for? So, you should be able to bring it out.
>No, it really isn't So, he has absolutely no security issues by stereotyping half the population?
>>35609857 Seriously this. Tons of people "have it easier" in life; folks born to better educated families, folks who discovered their passions / talents at a going age, folks who are flat out luckier, etc. The world is a big place with plenty of people who are better than you at everything using any metric you can reasonably conceive of. And in the end achieving greatness, or failing that just happiness and a bit of wealth, or failing that at least a sense of meaning and a reason for existing, is partially out of our control. So despite trying out hardest and doing our best, we inevitably fail and die and are forgotten.
But the point of becoming an adult is to not let those facts get you down, keep you from trying your best, or give you a reason to be bitter and hateful. Grow up kids, the universe has no reason to confirm to your idea of fairness.
>>35609922 nah, his face is average as they come. he's not ugly but he's no model either. i'm not saying being an asshole is necessarily a good thing, he's not always one. what attracts girls is a combination of everything. in shape + not ugly face + competent at work + easy to talk to and fun to be around = girls wanting to be around him. It's a vibe they get from all his attributes. Girl's put off the same vibes, everyone does. She can have a 10/10 face but if she's got nothing else going for her and is a boring person forget about it. It's never just one thing.
you can work out and get the body of your dreams but if you still can't hold a conversation or are awkward to be around, etc. etc. you are going to have a lonely life.
>>35610012 Be a man. Men are the cornerstone of society, whether SJWs will tell you or not. You just have to adapt, dude. It may not seem fair, but life isn't fair. We have to deal with hardships but it makes us tolerate little things that other people can't. That's what makes being a guy cool as fuck
a lot of you sound beyond bitter, try hanging out with some females, a lot of them have similar problems, can't get into a relationship, men who date them just for their pussy, being talked down to because you're a women then again I'm from less developed country and have female friends, I don't see women as a frickin enemy as you do also life isn't fair, you are not entitled to anything because you lift
>>35608970 what appears 'stupid' to you is meaningful to them, your problems, the shit that bothers you, is a result of your success or failure to fulfill your own biological imperatives. the fact you dont understand their problems only means that you dont understand what it is to be female, just as they do not understand or sympathise with what it is to be a male (a failure of a male)
>>35609960 >If you were having sex with a girl and she did something you didn't like, would you call her boring? Isn't there something inherent that you're there for? So, you should be able to bring it out.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>So, he has absolutely no security issues by stereotyping half the population?
Broad strokes paint the fence faster. Immediately resorting to calling someone a virgin is no different than what he did.
Be woman, 6/10 on good day but fit antisocial autismo but still make it to gym, don't talk to anyone, no guy ever talks to me no one ever approaches or starts conversations with me, not that I bat lashes or wear sports bras. Have vageen, no one gives a shit, life continues... Don't know what magical world you live in where you imagine vagina gets you everything.
>>35610135 my innvocation is almost over. I must return now to the 00's. goodbye nu-fit. when my generation of gods was killed by the cuck-lords, only small bits of our essence remained, and it takes great energy to invoke me to this age of KEK
>squats and oats >tinytrip >dolan duck >ss isnt a troll
i came from the age before the all-cuck the all cuck is all that is left all things are cuck in the future all things cuck cucked
>>35610151 Only attention I get is from another women because they love how I dress for some reason or get asked for money in the middle of the store or on the streets. I do not want to sound like I seek attention, the point is having vagina doesn't buy you easy ticket to everything.
>>35610151 Or a few other things. She could be a 4/10 or less and not know it. (Not likely.) She could dress in baggy clothes or male clothes. I typically wear baggy or male type clothes because they are comfortable and I also do not like being perceived as attractive. If you don't want people to look at you, you can really put off the right vibe.
>>35610187 >>35610188 u two act as if guys activly ignore you but you know even on a bad day one or two guys has tried to flirt with you or get on your good side.
face it, you guys have life easier than we do. if you two were to make a tindr, your number of matches would go through the roof whereas guys like me have to spend all day for that right lighting and a decent bio just to get a at least 20 matches.
>>35610236 Yes, but that is not what I want. I have basically always wanted to be male without having a penis and without being a lesbian. I want my appearance and looks NOT to matter. I don't want it to be easier. But living like that is what made me into the autist that I am today.
>>35610307 Guy is always worried woman only wants him for his money/status. Girl is always worried man only wants her for her looks. Having good looks is mostly genetics. Having money/status is partially how you were born but also what you make of it. Seems damaging to both sexes in different ways.
If I am to lose everything I have, there are no white knights thirsting for pussy to rescue me, I would be living under the bridge and no magical vagina to save me it doesn't work like that in real life you watching too many cam girl.
>>35610347 if u were to make some seriously gloomy post on reddit or even 4chan about 5 years ago, u bet ur ass there would WKs all over ur musty clit, but nowadays, we know how u fags are. ur only intention as far as guys are concered is to suck the life out of everything a man does, including whats in his wallet
>>35608596 the female birds that are bind to the strong, fast males that get there first and have big plentiful territory does not have to be unfaithful, anon. its the ones that are less fortunate that try and cheat to get superior reproductive chances male or female...
>>35609873 >Is sex not great enough to shelf any potential negativity?
Fuck no it's not. Everyone between the age of twelve and dead wants to fuck at any given moment, you can literally just ask people if they want to fuck and get a yes within ten tries, assuming you're in any kind of shape to be giving advice here. It's worth exactly as much hassle as it requires and it doesn't require any at all, you just don't know that yet so you're willing to make all kinds of concessions. It's not great enough to shelf anything, it's just something you do.
>>35611868 I got a vasectomy when I was 21 and my sub is infertile. She knows I'm never, ever, ever going to marry her or do anything that would give her power over me, but she's okay with it, and does pretty much whatever I say in any capacity.
They're out there, you just have to be patient, and dodge all the sirens and succubi in the meantime.
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