only 10% of people that undergo lifestyle changes can actually stay at a lower body weight longterm. 90% will go back to their original weight or higher. from a medical point of view lifestyle change as a therapy against obesity is quite inefficient.
>>35600322 Which leads to the same thing. If 90% of the participants fail to lose weight in a study, the conclusion of the study won't be "this way to lose weight is legit and it works, 90% of the people are just too dumb to do it."
Because if something doesn't work for the vast majority, it doesn't work in real life, even if a hypothetical perfect human could do it.
By the way, after several years on /fit/ I've noticed how many threads there are of fatties trying to lose weight and pledging to never fail like all those other fatties, yet you never see a thread of someone who managed to keep the weight off for 2 or 3 years.
>>35600382 You don't understand. It does work for the vast majority. Lemme explain it in terms you understand. As a doctor, you give your patient a prescription. Your patient does your prescription and gets results. Then later, your patient decides to stop taking the prescription and goes back to the way they were. "HURR DURR THE PRESCRIPTION DOESN'T WORK" You're an idiot.
>>35600452 I think what he is trying to say, is that if you are fat at an early age, and for a number of years, your TDEE is going to be low. This is because you have permanently fucked up how your body processes food. So you constantly have to eat at a caloric deficit to maintain a healthy weight, and 90% of fatties can't do this.
>>35600488 If you're maintaining then you're not at a deficit, genius. Your atp energy efficiency can be increased through exercise. It's not that they can't, it's that they choose not to which is ENTIRELY different than 'can not'.
basically the deficit becomes the maintain, but fatties don't understand this. A normal 5'11 person may have a TDEE of 2200 calories, but if they are a recovering fatty, it will be 1900, or something like that.
>>35600200 Only for psychological reasons, not physical.
If a fatty loses 100 lbs, he won't automatically gain it back if he maintains his diet and exercise. What will actually happen will be the fatty thinks >alright! I've reached my goal and lost 100 lbs! Now I can treat myself to a bit of junk food and I don't have to go to the gym everyday! Of course they'll gain the weight back if they fall into old habits.
>>35600790 I have heard it's easier to put on fat if you've been fat before. I think when you get obese your body creates new fat cells, and those don't go away when you lose weight they just get smaller. So a former fatty will gain fat more easily then someone who was never fat, all else being equal. But, I don't think it's a huge difference and certainly not impossible to maintain with a slightly stricter diet.
>>35600669 in adipose people (BMI > 30) it is a good metric.
>>35600452 thats what was said about chemotherapy as well. people stopped taking their medicine and died to the cancer instead. and that was simply because of the severe nausea and vomitting that was induced.
people dont stop taking their therapies because the therapies arent working fast enough, but because of side effects. and beeing hungry all fucking day long for months or years is definetly nothing fun.
so get real and stop the "your mind must be weak" act.
>>35600960 It is very rare for the body to make new fat cells. While it is possible, unlikely outside the extreme obese.
What does happen is the current fat cells become bigger as you become obese. So even when they are empty and deflated, they remain a larger size, and it is easier for them to store large amounts of fat quickly.
The same is true for muscles, this is why people who were formerly big find it easier to gain mass quickly.
This. I am so happy me and my sister were always active as kids and teens. Because even when I'm doing sedentary work for long periods of time, I can still regain muscle relatively easy when I go back to working out. Letting kids be obese really does fuck them up for life.
>>35602306 >half of everybody I know showed me this pathetic, unfunny attempt at self deprecative humor. Holy shit, it's just sad. Not funny at all. I hope she enjoys her McDiabetes too. I bet that video will be fucking hilarious!
>>35600452 no you're an idiot. people stick to taking pills - that is why it works and is feasible way of fighting disease. people don't stick to changed habits - that is why it does not work and is not a feasible way of fighting obesity.
>>35603054 This. I'm having a hard time lean bulking now after cutting for over a year. It's terrible. Especially because I'm incredibly active at work, and it adds another 800-1000 calories to my TDEE.
What I ate today: >rotisserie chicken breast sandwich >chips >granola bar >whole large Casey's pizza >ranch >protein shake
>>35607661 You probably feel awful because you're eating garbage. Bulking doesn't mean you need to eat a whole pizza, chips, and dressing... there's high calorie healthy food. You could try eating a fuckin vegetable for once, maybe a fruit, or a source of polyunsaturated fat.
>>35600488 >if you are fat at an early age, and for a number of years, your TDEE is going to be low. This is because you have permanently fucked up how your body processes food. So you constantly have to eat at a caloric deficit to maintain a healthy weight, and 90% of fatties can't do this. MAXIMUM BRO SCIENCE
I see what you're saying. Something tells me everybody is looking at obesity from the wrong angle. I think the difference between fatties and naturally lean people is that the former don't understand that you should only eat when you're physically hungry, while the latter don't know that the fatties don't know this. Any fatty who realizes that they don't need to eat unless their stomach is actually growling (i.e physical hunger) will become thin without issue. The problem is we're all inundated with bullshit nutrition myths from every direction
>go to see Creed >(the movie) >two fat bags of elmer's glue in the front row >one clears her throat every 15 minutes >can hear it in the back of the theater >sounds like a 70 year old man trying to shit out a peach pit
>>35600488 >your TDEE is going to be low. This is because you have permanently fucked up how your body processes food. So you constantly have to eat at a caloric deficit to maintain a healthy weight, 'no', 'No', 'kek'
>>35601097 Almost correct. People who are fat when they're children make more fat cells. So it is harder to stay at a low weight as an adult.
Muscle cells increase the number of nuclei, which synthesize protein, thus it is easier to gain mass back. Of course, the cell itself also increases in size and protein content. With anabolic steroid use, you see a much greater number of new nuclei, which take years to lose, which is why roiding in the off season works so well.
>>35600382 If I invent a pull that is 100% effective when taken every day, and in a trial only 10% of people take it every day, were don't say the pill doesn't work. The treatment works for people who actually go through with it, not the people to dumb to make permanent lifestyles changes. >people who don't make lifestyle changes don't lose weight, therefore making lifestyle changes isn't effective Didn't make any sense. If 90% of people refuse treatment, then you should only judge the treatment based on the ones that actually did it
>>35599330 ayy that was me and it happened a few years ago.
Come to find out she had a record for assault, public intox, and domestic disturbances. She wound up getting 6 months of probation as long as she went to AA and anger management. Not sure what happened with her kid (or kids?), as that was unrelated to my case.
Fuck San Antonio, I'm glad I don't live there anymore.
>>35600382 You haven't been here for long then, because I've seen many threads of people who have maintained weight loss. Furthermore, I know several people in real life who lost the weight and kept it off. My mother, a woman, which as we all know puts her at a disadvantage, even lost 80 pounds approximately 12 years ago and never gained back more than 15 pounds, and always lost that again. Now she's up and down by about 15, but she's maintaining a healthy weight.
>>35602566 Actually, interestingly enough, I can tell you're either completely uneducated or a first or second year university student with poor powers of critical thinking who never reads beyond the syllabus. Reading one study, or several studies, which come to a conclusion is nice. Real science, however, does a few things that go beyond that. First of all, you need to read the discussions in these papers, because nearly every single one of them investigates reasons why their results turned out how they did. Most of these discussions include further investigative questions, paramount among them is precision, accuracy and explanation of the results. When it comes to these particular studies, the question comes back to a couple of things: are these people thermodynamic anomalies, changing what we thought we knew about the human body, or are the experiments flawed because self-reported data is unreliable. Thankfully, further study has consistently pointed out that the second option is true. When fatties were monitored closely, they either continued to lie about their caloric intake and activity level, or they were honest and lost weight. That's the truth in every single case I've seen studied. Science relies on continuing to ask questions, not just blindly accepting something that seems to contradict current knowledge without further investigation.
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