He was utterly convinced of a horribly misguided world view that is promoted via the PUA community that bled into BB.Com Misc and ultimately here as well.
With no one to recognize this or convince him otherwise, he took it to its logical end. That logical end was simple: Your worth is determined by how much pussy you can slay. If you can slay none, you are worthless.
His efforts were unsuccessful, and without being willing or able to fully articulate himself to his parents or counselors, he eventually allowed those views to paint himself into a corner where he was inescapably buried under a mountain of self-inflicted stigma.
If Elliot was guilty of anything, it was a lack of perspective. A perspective his parents should have instilled in him from a young age - to not take shit for granted. His counselors should have handed him alternative life philosophies, but they failed as well.
Elliots' outcome was not his own failure (even though it was ultimately his responsibility), but failures by a lot of people who had the opportunity to turn him away from the self-destructive path(s) he went down. If anything, it is an example of the logical end of things like PUA / Sluthate taken without filter or context.
>>35575251 he was goodlooking, had good taste in music and had money. He really liked going to places with his car and enjoying nature and landscapes. Many girls would have had a great time with him. Too bad he didnt make it.
When you are so insecure because expats are fucking asian girls that you declare wm/af children as inferior and unable to live happily based on social norms that are "rigged against you", and promote it as "redpill theory" to aspie with no social evidence, you have a deadly mix.
He wasnt good looking though. All aspects have to be taken into account to be good looking. He had an ok face but he was small and with an average body. Thats not good enough to compete for the best looking women which is what he wanted.
His taste in music is irrelevant if hes not good looking enough to get girls and a beta male with money will always be below an alpha male. ALWAYS.
I hope you are trying to troll me, if not you really need to learn what women really want, they arent to dissimilar to men, they want the hottest person, they are just more likely to get offered sex from them.
>>35575304 Seriously? Just watch his video, he was an absolutely miserable person to be around. Something was wrong with him and people sensed that quickly. That is the reason he didn't get laid and that was the thing he didn't understand.
>>35575384 What he considered to be average and what is average are two completely different things. Most men and women ignore the less attractive women and build up an image of what they expect in a partner that is usually unrealistic. But in this instance lets assume he was looking at average women, the average college girl isnt looking for a long term commitment so money/comparability is irrelevant. They are looking for sex though so if they are given the choice between fucking an average manlet or good/great looking guy the manlet will be left blue balled.
>>35575682 Yes he talked about wanting a girlfriend, but he also stated beautiful many times if I remember correctly which showed that his expectations were probably higher than what he could get with his looks.
>>35575715 The average height over all is 5'9. Its irrelevant. Women will always be more attracted to taller guys. Even if he had a good body he would still not be able to compete with chad thundercock, he would however have been able to do better than what he could have before getting the body.
People need to realize that regardless of how much we improve some people will always just have it better. You make the best of what youve got.
>>35576078 >>35576110 He was a half Jew and a half Asian. Both groups are shorter than whites, so it would put him in the normal group for both. Asian girls and Jewesses marry the men in their group all the time. They don't care if their boyfriend is short.
Besides, so what if he can't compete with compete with Chad Thundercock for the 10/10 32DD sorority sisters. Self-improvement is self-improvement. He could have a good body, solid big 3 lifts, a bunch of bros and maybe a non-lifting hobby
>>35576164 Marry... you do understand the Alpha Fux/Beta Bux dichotomy right? I dont doubt he could get women at some point but he wouldnt be able to get them for a few years till they were past their prime and had finished being chad thundercocks little slut.
Ideally in his situation he should have got himself to his highest possible potential and then use that to get a girl who wasnt into the party scene and used up by chad thundercock. The reality is he was never going to get the best girls during their prime. You either get average/good girls during their prime or the best when they look for their beta bux
>>35576490 I think it's about the imposition of will, it isn't about what someone can manage to scrape together around the edges, it's about being able to have whatever he wants - total triumph of the will.
This. When there is something really off with you, people sense it. He wouldn't even get really ugly girls, because people with personality disorders are just...off in a way. The girls would have sensed it, or their male friends would have known and warned them in advance.
I've come close, been on dates and stuff but never made it to a second date ever.
Yesterday a girl I was messaging who said she was going to come down this Saturday to spend the day with me told me she now had a boyfriend out of the blue.
Three weeks of chatting and connecting with each other,all that eagerness she was obviously faking. All just gone, like that. She didn't even seem to care. How do you go from wanting to take a 2 hour train journey to meet me to not giving a shit about me in the space of a couple of days?
I don't think I'll ever snap because I don't want to hurt people, but I can see why some do.
American sewer culture has really permeated this board
In /fit/'s mind, if you aren't tall you'll never get a hot girl, and even if you do it'll be after she's worn out from fucking tall chads. This presumes that every young person has the materialist narcissism of the American College girl.
Elliot looked weird due to being mixed race, and he was short (probably average for California thiugh) so he had the deck stacked against him in college slut life. But he was as deluded as fit is in thinking that all women were so shallow.
>>35578653 Still pathetic mang. The guy was a waste of skin. Fuck knows why people are still talking about him. It's sad as fuck, the only reason he resonates with some people in this board is because they see something of themselves in him, yet they seem oblivious to how pathetic that is.
>>35578817 >Fuck knows why people are still talking about him. any of us who are dissatisfied with our lot in life and aiming "out of our league" struggle with the same issues he did - unsurprisingly that's a lot of us on a self-improvement oriented board like /fit/.
>>35578859 He actually had a bro-tier guy friend. Elliot couldn't be helped
> EXCLUSIVE: 'I tried to offer him advice on talking to girls, but he wouldn't do it': Virgin killer's best friend reveals he warned his mother about disturbing Facebook post months ago http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642748/EXCLUSIVE-I-believe-I-friends-psycho-mass-murderer-Virgin-Killers-best-friend-speaks-reveals-warned-Elliot-Rodgers-mother-disturbing-Facebook-post-months-ago.html
there is a bunch of elluots ITT right now as we speak! your world views are completely twisted and i can only assume its from a lack of sex amd social interactions.
Im 5'7 and have always been athletic, social and well built with a nice face. I have never had a problem finding girls amd have pretty much been in relationships in one form or another since I was 12 or so (31 now). Sure, I have to date girls 5'7 or shorter but thats like 90% of women. In the real world as long as you arnt a fucking loser, take care of yourself, post of 4chan, have your shit together, exhude masculinity and confidence women dont give a fuck.
On a side note Elliot was fucking ugly, something was inherently wrong with his facial features and frail frame and women pick up on that. Throw in that toxic shit eating personality he had and you have the recipe for a wizard. Its absolutely no surprise to me that he had an extremely hard time finding and relating to girls.
>>35579042 At one point in Rodger’s manifesto he references an occasion when he went to the Getty museum with Philip and Addison.
He wrote: ‘…we visited the Getty. Museum to admire the brilliant scenery and architecture. While there, I overheard Philip telling Addison that some girls were checking him out.
‘Feeling jealous, I asked Philip if any of those girls checked me out, and he had the audacity to say no, none of them did. I felt so heartbroken that I left the two of them and cried to myself, ruining my whole experience at the museum. How could girls check out Addison but not me?’ Philip remembers the incident, but his perception of events is completely different. He said: ‘I do recall that. I explained to Elliot that if he wanted attention from girls he needed to talk to them, but he wouldn’t take my advice.
‘In my mind it wasn’t a big deal at all, but he obviously perceived it differently.’
>>35579075 We met a few times and emailed a lot. He seemed convinced that women hated him but he could never tell me why.
It seemed like he would perceive cruelness or hatefulness when in fact, I suspected, he was just being ignored.
I remember giving him an assignment once so he could try to establish some kind of dynamic with a woman.
I told him, "When you see a woman next time you're on campus and you like her hair or sunglasses, just pay her a compliment."
I told him, "It's a freebie, something in passing, you're not trying to make conversation. Keep walking, don't make any long eye contact, just give the free compliment." The idea being you might make a friend if you make someone feel good.
I said to Elliot, "In the next few weeks - if you see them they'll likely give you a smile - and you can smile back and eventually turn this into chit-chat."
I got in touch with him a few weeks later and asked if he did it. He said "no". And when asked why not, he said "Why do I have to compliment them? Why don't they compliment me?"
>>35579088 One time there was a gathering at his parents' place and Elliot was his usual uncomfortable self.
I asked Peter [Rodgers, Elliot's father] if Elliot was ticklish. Peter said he was, so I encouraged a couple of women to tickle him and you know, that was the only time I saw Elliot express any kind of joy. It seemed that, at least for those moments, he was a normal kid.
>>35579114 What a coincidence. Elliot talked about that
> In one of the last emails I sent to Elliot, I became quite frustrated. > I pointed out that he had the choice to change his circumstances, and if he didn't make the effort then he had to take some of the blame. He insisted that, "I have to blame someone for my troubles, and I don't blame myself."
>>35579088 >"Why do I have to compliment them? Why don't they compliment me?" >>35579131 I imagine there are a significant number of 6'2 "Chads" out there with exactly the same attitude and it doesn't interfere with their success in life at all.
>>35579102 >so what is the road to making it, bruh - show me the way I'm not here to do that brah, it's different for everyone. Figure out what you want, set some goals and work towards it, the usual shit. What I do know for sure though is, whatever it is it doesn't involve discussing a stupid cum stain like Roger fucking Elliot on 4chan. What a waste of everyone's time.
>>35579205 He didn't want a girl to talk to. He wanted a girl to offer to sleep with him.
> Not one girl offered to help me as I stumbled home with a broken leg, beaten and bloody. If girls had been attracted to me, they would have offered to walk me to my room and take care of me. They would have even offered to sleep with me to make me feel better. But no, not one girl showed an ounce of concern for me. They didn’t care. No one cared about me. I was all alone. ….
He was perfectly capable of getting girls. In high school I was 6'0 140 lbs, pretty much skinny-fat as fuck. My senior year of high school I got tons of pussy because I dressed /fa/, pretended to be sensitive, and was light-years ahead of the chads in terms of maturity.
However this changed when I got to university because most college relationships are just girls just hook up based solely on looks and then move on if your dick game isn't good enough.
>>35578317 Have you considered that she may have beem chatting with / going out on dates with multiple people, fucked a guy and decided she wants to fuck him for a while rather than travel to see you? It doesnt have to be some diabolical weeks-long ploy to trick you. Stop being so self-centered, maybe it will help your girl situation.
>>35579126 Wide noses might not be usual but it definitely doesn't make them ugly. If anything its that a lot of white people are scared of tiny differences to an extreme They want to see the same features everywhere to feel ok. Its an inherent defense mechanism from tribal times
>>35574253 He was looking for a way go get ripped within like a 2 week period if I recall, then he threw a bitch fit when everyone told him that it would take him years to get to movie star levels of muscle mass.
do you know how many things women "hate" when it comes to guys? They will say any damn thing. Stop taking what women say so seriously. It literally doesnt matter. This kind of shit is what feminism has caused. Guys are so offended by women and take them so seriously. It's pretty sad actually.
>>35579901 >write a book on mass murderers in america plz
Spent a long, long time writing about some of the more famous ones already.
Lanza, Holmes, Cho. A few most people don't remember like Sodini (LA Fitness), although there's a lot more material on the ones that turned into a media circus because other people have dug up their entire lives. FFS, we're in a thread where someone dug up and posted all of Elliot's fucking baby pictures to Youtube. To say he will live on in infamy is an understatement.
Wrote a lot on Breivik even though he's not American - especially in recent times considering so many things he talked about in 2083 are literally happening right now in Europe with the immigration flood.
If you find anything by studying a lot of these guys, it's that they're not all "psychopaths," although that's the easy way to label them. Cho and Lanza were both probably impaired in ways we cannot understand, and actually were "crazy" insofar as they acted illogically. Guys like Holmes weren't quite as insane as the media would have you believe.
Once you get into people like Breivik, Kazynski, and McVeigh - they were all geniuses, no question. Kazynski's intellect was of course well proven and documented since he was an accomplished professor. Breivik made a fortune in the stock market before finally deciding to bankroll an attack that took over 3 years of planning and effort to work out. McVeigh had the skill and cunning to commit (and get away with) a series of several thefts, robberies, forgeries, and acts that allowed him to just get the materials for OKC. That doesn't even count having the engineering / electrical / chemistry know-how and expertise to rig something that big in a configuration to do maximum damage.
Of course they're all criminals, and a lot of people revile even looking into them - much less seeing where their virtues lied. Same could be said about a lot of people considered villains in history. Always been fascinating to me
>>35576214 >Marry... you do understand the Alpha Fux/Beta Bux dichotomy right? I dont doubt he could get women at some point but he wouldnt be able to get them for a few years till they were past their prime and had finished being chad thundercocks little slut.
Never published anything. Just a lot of analysis and critique of their lives and their motivations for doing what they did.
There are people who were very clearly psychotic, as in they were actually seeing and experiencing stimuli that was not actually there. Son of Sam is a good example, but a different comparison because SOS is a serial killer and not someone who committed a single mass casualty attack.
When people throw "psychopath" or "crazy" at guys like Breivik, Kazynski, or McVeigh, it pisses me off, because people like that had an extremely logical and well articulated reason for doing what they did. Was it illegal? Yeah absolutely. Are they murderers? Yeah absolutely.
But is murder ever justified? You tell me. That's going to vary from person to person. IMO, they spent a significant amount of time logically justifying their attacks - not rationalizing. We're actually extremely lucky to have stuff like Kazynski's manifesto or 2083 to allow us to see exactly what goes through the mind of someone who is willing to undertake acts like they did.
Past that you get into some real mindfucks like the Zodiac Killer. I don't even want to go there because that shit is murder mystery level. Big difference between a serial killer and someone who commits a mass casualty attack.
>>35580371 >breivik was hardly an economic genius though, didn't the fucker just scam his way into a lot of that money?
If you call playing the stock market a scam, sure. He lost plenty in the market too, but the bankroll for the attack was higher than anyone I'm aware of - in the hundreds of thousands. Even McVeigh's final tally didn't come close to that if you factor in everything he stole.
>>35580371 >as for '3 years of training and effort', that was largely just him being a nutjob supposedly dehumanizing himself by playing world of warcraft and shit and jerking off to templars.
A huge amount of time was spent setting up Breivik Geofarms as a front to get enough nitrate-based fertilizer to make the car bomb. He didn't get remotely the same result as McVeigh on the bomb for a lot of reasons - partly due to the way he built it (no jet fuel), it wasn't remotely as big (about 1/4th the size), and the building he targeted was only barely occupied when it detonated.
It also took him a considerable amount of time and effort just to get a gun in Norway. All the meetings, the exams, the permits, etc. All while simultaneously running Breivik Geofarms and taking a loss (because lets be real, he never had an intent to farm, but he had to make it look that way). By the end, he was totally out of money but had stockpiled and refined enough Nitro to do what he wanted. Even so still, the bomb only killed about 6-7, the rest were on the island.
To die. He was just too big of a pussy to pull the trigger. Serious about this, Holmes wanted to die in the attack because he viewed his life as a complete failure. At some point he had a change of heart and decided he wanted to live, hence why he tried to escape.
Consider this is a guy who was smart enough to rig his apartment with enough bromide to start a chemical fire that would have burned hot enough to yes, literally melt steel beams. And he's "nuts?" Lol ok
>>35580500 >considerable amount of time and effort just to get a gun in Norway.
I don't know how it's done in norway but I think it's no different from Sweden. Getting a hunting licence doesn't take considerable amount of time nor effort. There are three day weekend courses you can take were you literally have to be retarded not to get passed. Or evening courses. It's much harder to get a drivers licence than a hunting licence. And when you have the licence you're free to buy hunting rifles as you see fit (all you need to do is register them with the police - which is nothing but papers). Getting the licence costs less then your first rifle.
pretty sure equating intelligence with sanity isn't completely fair
granted he wasn't completely psychotic or anything like those schizos who end up running people over because they think they're being followed and shit like that, but he was pretty fucking insane nonetheless
I mean, barring how he barely functioned as a human being at all going by what I've seen of his interactions with therapists and shit, wanting to die doesn't exactly explain attacking a movie theater or hurting the police entering his apartment
>>35575339 Not just that he was miserable to be around, he couldn't communicate with people at all. When people tried to talk to him he would barely say anything and just mutter the odd few words. That's why he was never going to get any woman nevermind an attractive one. .
>>35581373 it's pretty obvious when a girl wants you sexually. like blatantly obvious from body language. in fact the best part of sex inst the physical release, its the feeling of knowing this needs you
if guys under 5'10 dont get a lot of attention from women and It's been well known and documented girls want the tall good looking guys, not the short or average guys. So why should those guys like the girls when the girls have already said no based on their height/looks? How can shorter dudes not get offended by that? its like being black in a city full of white racists. You're going to be isolated and not liked. I know how guys under 5'10 feel and its not good.
In a normal situation, sexuality should not be something passed around like a joint. It should be based on mutual feelings.
If all you ever think about is sex itself, women won't like you really because they somehow feel that from your behaviour and presence.
If you come off as an interesting dude (joking or saying something that can 'touch their hearts') who are vaguely interested in them but not drops his spaghetti for some poontang, you should get a girl or two into your bed. >>35580185 >>35580233 >>35580307 Why are Americans so interested in serial killers? Is this entertaining to you guys or something?
I think that is more interesting than serial killers themselves.
>>35574330 >With no one to recognize this or convince him otherwise, he took it to its logical end.
You can tell that Elliot was uneducated. Had he bothered to read maybe 1-2 works of philosophy outside of class, he probably would have calmed down and realized that girls are stupid whores that like to be dominated anyway. Had he realized that rather than insist that they are on the same level as men, he might have actually changed his attitude.
Elliot was one of those people that never realized how easy it is to be social, and thought he could pull off not being a social person because he thought it was too douchey or the people that did it were uneducated. He did not consider that these jocks who were slaying all of this pussy were only doing it because women aren't capable of going out for themselves. Whether that is by their choice or otherwise is irrelevant, because in one case you have a clear lack of ability and in another you are obviously going to eventually condition yourself to eventually lack ability.
The only thing Elliot did wrong was to not try hard enough and realize that women are subjective and ruled completely by emotion. Had he considered that, rather than remain in his illogical rage, he may have achieved alpha status.
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