Yer haw powerlifting general
Isley still can't bench 140kg and benchbro still can't deadlift 4 plate (disputed) and panzertwink still can't bench 2 plate
reposting cuz didnt see was new thread
it does more harm than good to 'find' point B - I don't see the utility at all.
you should be working with weight where you can use good form if the aim is to improve form - so going above that point and training with 'bad form' won't help teach 'good form'.
better off just finding a point that is challenging yet still perfect form and lineally progress from there.
if the point your form breaks down is far below your strength level then there may just be a weakness somewhere or cueing issue - learn how to 'fight' for proper positioning. if you don't know how then look up basically any instructional video on sumo.
fighting to keep proper positioning will train whatever weakness you may or may not have.
Hence why you feel the need to use pic related and imitate him
>when you have so few responsibilities over break that you can watch Andrei Rublev in the middle of the day
>mfw seeing the new Trump commercials
>"He'll cut the head off ISIS and take their oil"
>"He'll build a wall across the southern border that Mexico will pay for"
>"He'll ban Muslims from entering the country until ISIS is gone"
It's just so fucking ridiculous that I don't know how else to react.
Also 3-3.5k here. But I'm kinda fat (6', 225lb, ~25% BF).
Anyone following this tcummins and huck fin drama? Lol like children
>it does more harm than good to 'find' point B - I don't see the utility at all.
Gives him a hum of what kind of weights he can handle. Also it's a way to measure progress, if his point B is 90 kg, and he does perfect fives at 85 kg after three weeks, he has definetily improved. I don't see the point in doing linear progression, if he starts at a weight that is challenging, adding weight too fast will just result in that he returns to old movement patterns.
>you should be working with weight where you can use good form if the aim is to improve form - so going above that point and training with 'bad form' won't help teach 'good form'.
Did you read my post? I specifically told him to keep below point B, not above.
you said between point A and B - and if point A is challenging and point B is failure, then its just training at weights with a certain degree of failure all the time. Thats not conducive to perfecting his form.
and again, finding B is not useful
If A is the point where he is just managing to keep form, and he progresses from there with good form - we already know that progress was made. knowing he would have failed at whatever number wont make that any clearer.
its like going for a heavy 1RM, and then adding on 20kg just to go
>hurr durr then we know hes progressed
but we already know if he goes above the 1RM, then hes progressed. whats the utility of just showing he would fail at a higher weight
>I don't see the point in linear progression
you obviously don't understand what linear progression is.
his weights are more likely than not in the novice realm for him.
using weights where he has perfect form will train perfect form, and the weight is light enough that linear progression can occur
just because he has bad form doesnt mean he has to do advanced programming to remedy it while he can still benefit from LP
>is capable of beating everyone in an untested fed the night after passing OOC test
>would need to dope to beat other tested athletes
Powerlifting, particularly the untested kind, just has a really small talent pool. That's the only reason we can have outliers anyway.
What I tend to do is eat a strict diet Mon-Fri (same exact things every day), then I "just eat whatever" on the weekends and try to get roughly 3000 calories.
Then I track my weight daily and use Excel to estimate "maintenance" with the weekday calories for five days per week and an estimated 3000 for two days per week. From that, I can adjust the calories I eat for five out of seven days and still have some variety and a social life (as small and pitiful as my social life is).
Friends, can any of you tell me what your weekly INOL looks like for the main lifts? I'm curious about what other people's volume looks like.
It would be helpful if you added your lifts, bodyweight, etc. so I have some more context.
I know, right? It's so weird just to see the childish wording in a political ad.
Point A is a weight where he has to try hard to keep good form. Point B is the weight where he can't keep good form any longer, even when he tries his hardest. By definition, any repetition with a weight below point B will not be done with bad form, since point B is the first time bad form happens.
>>its like going for a heavy 1RM, and then adding on 20kg just to go
It's nothing like that. It's like doing a single at 80% and then doing a single at 90% to see if there are any differences in form.
>but we already know if he goes above the 1RM, then hes progressed.
But he's operating at weights below his 1RM, and the goal is to increase form, not to increase weight. It's totally possible to do a heavy rep with bad form, the point is that if he's doing clean repetitions with challenging weights it's a sign that his ability to keep form is getting better.
>using weights where he has perfect form will train perfect form, and the weight is light enough that linear progression can occur
Yes, but if he gets to challenging weights too soon he won't have enough opportunities to train form and old movement patterns will come back.
>hurr durr advanced programming american meme
I'm not telling him to do a 20-week cycle I'm saying that letting weights take a back seat to form for a while would be better. If he can go back to linear progression and not fuck up his deadlift again that's good, but constantly increasing weights forces the lifter to take easy ways and shortcuts.
lads, so apparently Candytoes6week does wonders for squats, so I'm thinking about doing just the lower body part of the program, but the thing is I'm not sure about what to do for the upper, any suggestions?
>why not do the full program?
because there are upper body workouts that would be impossible to fit in my schedule
Hmm. I'm averaging around 1 for each lift, and I'm gaining around 10lb/month pretty smoothly on all of them. I think I could be getting stronger more quickly if I increased it a bit.
Gonna start an aggressive cut when I get back to school later this month, though, so I'm not sure if increasing volume is the best plan for that time. I might have to wait.
>I think real good
then why not just progress from A instead of randomly choosing between A to B? if A is you have to focus hard, then that's already a good starting point. Finding B is just to give more options, but if he does LP (which he should) then he'll hit between A and B by default.
>It's nothing like that
It is like that. the point is you're going past the point of utility to show to yourself later that you have progressed, whilst had you just progressed from the initial data point - you already KNOW you've progressed.
the best way for a novice to perfect their form is to get stronger in perfect form. practicing light weights to ingrain motor patterns sounds all well and good, but has diminishing returns quickly. the warm ups should be the light weight practice, the working sets should be strengthening the form.
the best way to do that is to LP on that lift.
and even if the worry is 'his form will break down' - I'm saying start at point A, you're saying start between A and B. form breakdown is more likely in the latter scenario.
Don't join the military lads, you'll have to see people post things like this.
while it is incredible that he got that wrong - I am consistently amazed by how poorly people know how to spell these days - think about it from a linguistics standpoint for a second. Past is literally just a consonant shift that happened in english who knows how long ago, where the voiced "d" became unvoiced "t". This is probably because "s" is an unvoiced consonant and thus it is easier to transfer to another unvoiced consonant like "t". The "past" is literally just "that time that has now passed".
>caring about sentence structure on 4chan
if you understood the post why do you care
More quad dominance, more ROM, more forward knee travel. You'll almost definitely end up more upright, even if you sit back some and lowbar. You could run into some hamstring mobility stuff which might cause more buttwink. My hamstring mobility is subpar at best and I have no troubles with narrow stance squatting when I do it.
If you're leggy and thick you can get a lot of speed out of the hole with a narrower stance by compressing your gut into your legs. You can kinda see it with my stance in this pic, even though that's not really a close stance, I'm just fat.
IMO its harder to grind with a narrower stance though. Moderate stance is the best mix in my opinion if you're not an Olympic lifter or geared lifter.
Candy toe is stronger than me desu senpai.
They're both potentially/equally to blame depending on the individual. If your knees need to travel further forward for you to hit depth, its ankles. If you need more hip and knee flexion without your ankles moving, its a hamstring issue.
Work on both if its causing a problem imo.
not hamstring but glutes/piriformis or a tight hip capsule could be limiting your depth. Even adductors.
Hamstrings have fuck all to do with squat depth.
Deadlifts on the other hand...
thoughts on semi sumo? advantages/disadvantages?
im a pretty tall guy with long legs, i cant manage use a lot of leg drive doing conventional. tried semi sumo today and it felt OK with no prior experience. pulled 10kg under my pr for an easy rep.
Candito in response to blaha in response to jesse norris
I didnt think curling in the squat rack was a real thing. I just thought it was a meme. Thank god Im not at this gym anymore
there is this tiny asian guy at my gym who thinks hes awesome. He'll jump into a rack and do a set of curls with just the bar before fixing his hair in the mirror, mean mugging and walking around with his big invisible suitcases. He weighs 135 tops.
How can someone be so delusional
Yeah lol you mad you jelly nigga
u mad sean stylin on your weak btich?ASS?
LMAO you mad he has more sports knowledge AND stronger than you? lel you so salty nigga u mad as fuck im keking at ur life rn lel
hitting squat and bench openers in the morning tomorrow. get hype family
>email for current pricing
the application asks a lot of pretty specific questions
Shaw is an absurdly large human being. It was silly watching WSM 2015 and having him make Bjornsson look skinny and everyone else assorted degrees of small.
I didnt do the last day of sheiko.
It was basically just me walking in and doing singles with warmup weights.
not worth a trip to the gym desu.
>I browse Reddit
>I also follow the advice of my favourite feminist coach, Greg Nuckols
>I will definitely get stronger despite my 260 wilks
>panzer jäger lifts and life
I'm crying laughing right now
He is unironically 5'2" 120lbs Kek
There's at least ten guys at my gym that deadlift 4plates. It's not even considered special. Why does /fit/ worship these tripfagging retards? Is it true fit nowadays only consists of nonlifting teen neckbeards?
today was so relaxing. slept in made a big ass breakfast burrito and coffee, then had some good discussion on /plg/
gf came over on her lunch hour for some touchy feely time
got my hair cut and beard trimmed at the nice place that does full hair wash / hot towel / scalp scrub / + head neck & shoulder massage
then came home and drank a few beers and had a jam session with my friends. in the last 5 years i've played my guitar maybe 10 times, and it feels so nice that other than no finger callouses and my hands being out of shape, i can pretty much pick up and do 70% of everything i used to be able to.
thats pretty legit numbers. what are they?
popping in, thank me while you can
>just started lifting
>start counting calories
>my life revolves around eating now
>on all levels except physical, i am fat
Admittedly deadlift day was a little disappointing; I was only able to pull 425, when my starting max was 455. That being said, having cut 14% of my body weight over the course of this cut and only losing 3% off of my total is the least terrible trade I've made on a cut before.
I'm almost certain that fixing my starting position and eating more than starving levels of food will bring my deadlift back up to where it was supposed to be though, so for next cycle I'm keeping 455 as my starting max. #yolo
Starting stats for first cycle:
>weight: 226 lbs
>squat 1RM: 365 lbs
>bench 1RM: 235 lbs
>deadlift 1RM: 455 lbs
Ending stats for the first cycle (and starting stats for the second):
>weight: 193 lbs
>squat 1RM: 365 lbs
>bench 1RM: 225 lbs
>deadlift 1RM: 425 lbs (455 lbs)
Fucking fist my nipples, pulled/strained my right side of my upper back first time deadlifting after christmas.
Anybody know anything how long it takes to recover or speed up the recovery?
Well before when I had higher numbers at Boss I was 235 lbs, and got to use meme bars and real plates. Now I'm a lot lighter, and have shitty hexplates and stiff 24HF bars.
So yeah, my numbers are shitty. Wew.
Problem is gaming (with a competitive mindset like I do) fulfills the desire to be competitive in real life. Same way powerlifting helps satisfy physical/exercise needs, gaming is a way for me to satisfy my competitive side/ego. The reason I'm stopping gaming is so that I can spend that energy elsewhere in my life and see what comes of it.
>Get home from school for break
>weigh myself this morning
Sure, but I managed to cut pretty quickly without ending up with a 200 wilks.
The idea that horizontal and vertical pulls will yield different levels and areas of activation/muscle development and/or that horizontal and vertical pulling will have different carryover to the main lifts.
Or because doing rows is fun.
Or because a bunch of people can't into proper power cleans and end up with retarded jump shrug curls.
Or because power cleans aren't really much of a powerlifting thing, nor are they known to be particularly good at building mass, so they tend to get chucked out for things that are.
Whoops, meant to link >>35537457
To actually respond to >>35537457
I've looked into it, and what I came across was a gofundme for a 4chan user that lost like 400 lbs, and had a youtube video that went viral and his gofundme only made it a third of the way. Plus I don't like the idea of asking a bunch of people to pay for my lack of self-control in my earlier life. I'll take care of it when I can afford it through my own means,
>guy at my gym comes up to me after heavy set of sumo
>lifting 200kg x 5 so hard i almost topkek100 in my pants
>says to me "dude why are you doing that, that's cheating to reduce the ROM"
>tells me I should stop if I want to gain real strength and that sumo is just for show
>try to ignore him but he ends up lecturing me about how he builds real strength doing farmers walks and shit
why the fuck do people like this exist
openers went well lads.
think I got some mires too, which was nice.
That's a little ridiculous for the stupid shit he was tested for don't you think?
I mean cmon, he just took some random PWO he wanted to try and didn't run a chemical analysis on it before - can happen to literally anyone and isn't his fault.
Bah is okay because something has to be done but anything else is a joke.
He should turn the PWO in so everyone can see what it was.
No. This is a rule every other country follows. Australia included.
When this happened to an Australian lifter going for a bench world record no one made any special pleading just because it was a stimulant.
>implying he actually got busted for something in pre workout
>implying he didnt actually get busted for steroids but the PWO story is a cover up to make the IPF appear cleaner and jesse norris doesnt have to admit he used steroids, win-win for everybody
Not off the template, per se, but following most of the guidelines laid out in the book seemed to help out with my cut. Plus a bunch of my friends are clients of the magic jew, and they swear by him.
Someone here recommended paused deadlifts for me (had problems keeping neutral spine), and i tried it yesterday. That was awesome, and i really felt those muscles in my back. Totally going to keep that variation in my program for now.
And another lifter at the same comp tested positive and kept on claiming it was just a stimulant... til her B sample came back positive for androgens too and she basically unfriended every PA lifter off facebook, ran off to CAPO and is now the most jacked human being in Australia with fucking chest striations... but that's none of my business...
When Odell and Scott Hill tested positive to stims a while back they managed to get it downgraded because it was accidental ingestion but this was when people were mostly unaware of pre-workouts containing banned stims. These days it's common knowledge so you just have to be more careful.
Like i said, just make sure you approach heavy weights combine with long pause periods with caution. Marcel calls them "Pause-until-ER" and for good reason lel. 2-3 seconds is all you need
hey im just here to make you feel bad since i feel like shit, but losing 30 pounds on deadlift after losing 33 lbs, i deadlifted a 405 at 155 lbs in 10 months training, as a 17 year old. that is pretty weak. train like youre a pathetic sack of useless shit if you dont see improvement of stats lol. its not like youre good at anything else.
I've tried similar styled diets and they've worked pretty well and have friends who have had good results with the RP diet too. Just need to be able to survive most of the day without carbs.
yeah its probably chlam which is solved by taking azitromycine, which i already take every winter when i get throat ache/heavy fevers
def not herps that shit gives nasty warts and what not
I bicycle to and from work, I clean the weight room up 5 nights a week, take the dog on jogs and walkies on weekends, and get "other cardio" on occasion with the gf.
Other than that? I spend a lot of time sedentary.
Plus the timeframe was slightly longer than 10 weeks. There was a week of camping between weeks 5 and 6 (I think?), and a week of dicking around before starting the program. So 33 lbs over 12 weeks.
FUCK SUMO JUST FUCK IT I HATE IT SO MUCH EVERY TIME I POST THAT IT MAKES MY LEGS HURT TO THE POINT IM CRINGING IN PAIN AND THAT MY SQUAT SUFFERS IT GETS FUCKING IGNORED BY YOU GUYS
WHY IS IT ONLY ME THAT HAS TO SUFFER? FUCK THIS IM SWITCHING BACK TO CONVENTIONAL AT LEAST IT DOESNT MAKE ME WANT TO KILL MYSELF
you need to stretch more and work on your mobility you dip
That doesn't seem right, because then the volume would be insane.
3x10x80 is 2400 volume (don't know units)
I do that like 3x a week and get 7200 volume per week on lats alone.
Seems a lot for unweighted chins
Back volume = 6,110 / week
Front volume = 6,400 / week
Should have I counted CGBP as front volume is technically it's a Tricep Assitance, and trips are on the back of your body?
How do I work out the exact load percentage on pecs and triceps?
I'm sure that having good bench/squat form and proper mobility does more for shoulder health than exactly matching back/front volume.
It also seems like shoulder health would be rather intuitive, you should be able to feel if your shoulders are becoming wonky, unless you happen to injure them in some incredibly acute way that you couldn't have predicted.
idk, just seems like there are more important training factors than sorting this out.
Finally figured out how to isolate hamstrings in my home gym
>tfw lagging hamstrings are about to be obliterated
>tfw going to make some deadlift gains
I'm doing exactly what you described, lower body from C6w and bench replaced with my own programming. For bench I'm just experimenting, I run Smolov Jr split into two weeks instead of one, so day 1 and day 2 on week 1, day 3 and day 4 on week 2. This way it matches perfectly with the 6week cycle. I also added in one day for incline bench/bodybuilding type of stuff at the end of the week with atleast 1 free day before next lower body day. I finished my first week today and I will be posting my first thoughts on it after 5 weeks(13th Feb)
Nope, I have problems with getting hamstring recruitment from deadlift variations since my glutes take over. I'm doing hamstring curls with a band, it's the hardest my hamstrings have worked in a long time
I work out volume as setsXrepsXweight (kg)
Huh, strange that I don't rain like world record tier athlete?
I meant, does CGBP count as a chest exercise per se? I understand chest is involved by volume would be arguably less?
It's a flaw in my system and I can't really explain what I mean.
Say you do 3x5x100kg rows, that's 1500 (volume) overall.
Say you do 3x5x100 bench, that's 1500 (volum) overall
That shows me that my back has the same volume as my bench so everything is inproportion.
However, the issue I've ran into is; is CGBP a back or front lift? If triceps are back and chest is front?
I've tried googling it, I've tried reading starting strength by Mark Rippetoe, I've tried reading Olympic Weightlifting by Greg Everett, I've even tried asking and nobody has managed to tell me if your feet should leave the ground in the power clean.
Do you, or do you not?
>However, the issue I've ran into is; is CGBP a back or front lift? If triceps are back and chest is front?
This is silly.
Think in terms of movements, not muscles.
Push or pull or hinge. Das it.
That's a fair point, but the reason I was thinking in turns of muscles is balance. I wanted my back to have equal or greater volume than my front as to keep shoulders and posture healthy.
Just heels? Not my entire foot?
Anyway, I saw good video on it so I'm fairly confident but sill confused.
I'm not sure if I should allow a little jump or just raise the heel.
Shut the fuck up you idiot and listen to what buda told you..or are you gonna repeat your question till someone tells you triceps are a back muscle. Horizontal pushing movements use chest/tri/front delt, pulling the whole back and biceps
That's good, but you don't have to over think it.
Do some vertical and horizontal pulling each week. Variety of reps and sets, generally higher rep than you press.
Some face pulls every press day, or pull aparts.
Pulling doesn't require the specificity of the comp movements, so enjoy some variation.
Lolfed seems to mean untested around here
They red light like crazy though, so if you're a roider that wants people called for high squats and hitching and ass coming off the bench, it's probably as good as it gets.
This picture made me laugh so hard