>>35525396 >first author from the Federal Agency for the Safety of the Food Chain
looks like more alarmist propaganda hellbent on exaggerating the harms of raw milk while conveniently ignoring anything even hinting at benefits. only immunocompromised raw milk drinkers suffer any negative effects if it's fresh and otherwise sourced from a well maintained farm.
>>35524042 I didn't like that. Not one bit. How can anyone be so fucking cruel? The people I know that work on the local farm are definitely not like that, noone here at the village is like that. I guess it takes America to fuck everything up. Here in Europe stuff like that doesn't happen.
>>35525773 >Agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States, and other regulatory agencies around the world say that pathogens from raw milk, including potentially tuberculosis, diphtheria, typhoid, and streptococcal infections, make it unsafe to consume >Similarly, a recent review authored by the Belgian Federal Agency for the Safety of the Food Chain and experts from Belgian universities and institutions concluded that "raw milk poses a realistic health threat due to a possible contamination with human pathogens. It is therefore strongly recommended that milk should be heated before consumption. With the exception of an altered organoleptic [flavor] profile, heating (particularly ultra high temperature and similar treatments) will not substantially change the nutritional value of raw milk or other benefits associated with raw milk consumption. >Research shows only very slight differences in the nutritional values of pasteurized and unpasteurized milk.
>>35525956 It's actually you who is psychologically abnormal. There's a bell curve for empathy and normativity (and thus a healthy perspective) exists in the middle, not on either end of the curve. Having a misaligned sense of empathy is extremely unhealthy.
But the vast majority of people (and hence normativity, ie. not in the realm of a personality disorder) consume milk and animals.
You have a personality disorder. Your position isn't inherently logical. I'll say it one last time; it reflects a personality disorder. A lack of psycho-normativity. The problem is you, not other people.
>>35526045 There's no argument to be had. Emotions can't be argued in the realm of fact. You either have a certain emotional perspective or you don't. My only desire was to demonstrate that yours was/is abnormal. The comparison to slavery is unwarranted, which can be argued against in the realm of fact and overlaps with a normative bell curve (ie. human empathy).
>>35525981 >>35525983 the edge >>35526016 >But the vast majority of people (and hence normativity, ie. not in the realm of a personality disorder) consume milk and animals. I wouldn't consider 'normative' to be the end-of-all-discussions argument. Normativity in the middle ages meant believing that the Earth is flat, burning people for looking fishy and wedding 12yo to 40yo just to ensure a good marriage from the business standpoint. Normativity is also progressively creating society where mentally ill people (all the transgenders, agenders, furrygenders and I don't know what else) are getting a sort of 'saint' or 'martyr' status, encouraging more to turn to this behaviour.
>>35525908 there are probiotic effects of raw milk from the entero-mammary pathway, drinking milk without these bacteria can cause problems http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24033881 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3393783/
certain proteins and complex molecules in raw milk are indeed active and escape digestion http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25899687 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25565082
there are adverse effects of heat milk compounds http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23238657 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7603887 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1608054 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2208161 http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/3/294.full http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17162329 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0368131967800097 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0021915086901322 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16037267 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308814606001233 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10335375
an intact milk fat globule (destroyed by heating) is required to prevent postprandial hyperlipidemia http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25581036 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11738068 http://digitalarchive.maastrichtuniversity.nl/fedora/get/guid:41a157d5-adb3-4e1a-888b-b05e590b9d5e/ASSET1
raw milk also contains bioavailable glutamylcysteine which has some interesting effects see this article http://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/cmasterjohn/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-raw-foods-glutathione
there are others but i have better things to do right now than post them all on 4chan, do your own research and draw your own conclusions
>>35526105 >But cats are carnivores and their meat is rough and chewy, just like dogs Just slow cook it and the toughness will go away and the meat will become very tender. It's the same with most wild game or any old animal slaughtered for meat. The reason cat or dog meat is tough is because the animal died as an adult or far into adulthood. People are so used to eating young animals (and processed meat) that they no longer understand how muscles age in livestock.
>>35526102 I'm not the one you were talking to before, I just commented on your 'normativity' statement, which I consider to be a weak argument to be thrown around as if it was the rhetorical K.O.
Again, reading through your discussion, the fact that everyone eats meat and milk has nothing to do with emotions, it's something that just is, because there are no other means of feeding so many mouths with just plants, nor would many people accept their steak being taken away, humans, after all, are omnivores, there's no arguing there.
>I'm not worried about animal abuse, personally. Mostly because I'm not mentally ill and I don't anthropomorphize beasts. going back to this statement, I don't know if you're just trying to be edgy or are the 'emotionally outside the boundaries of normativity one' since most people consider animal abuse to be horrific, disgusting and forbidden (yet the meat industry profits and people eat meat. I'd like to call this ironic but most people have no idea what does it take for their steak to appear on the plate and probably consider it to be summoned from another dimension by a magician).
The fact that people dislike the (industrial) animal abuse is not because they anthropomorphize animals. It's a sense of guilt and disgust at themselves and the acts they are witnessing, for they are presented with what the animals have to suffer for them to fill their stomach. It's also a question of empathy we feel for other living beings in general (at least those that we consider cute, useful, pitiable...) and which many 'intelligent' or 'sentient' living beings (such as monkies, dolphins, birds) feel for other living beings. This would mean that you are the emotional deviant here.
tl;dr: your arguments suck, you're just edgy
FYI, I ha some 200g of chicken meat for dinner and klobasa, gonna eat quark in a while, so no, I'm not a vegan forcing veganism onto you.
>All of these vegan youtubers, making daily videos about veganism and fighting for animals lives and well being >If they spent this much time trying to raise money for the homeless and working in soup kitchens they could be saving human lives instead of merely talking about ethics and veganism
Looks like there's been a pretty dank discussion about raw milk in here. I've been drinking it consistently for a decade and somehow I've never gotten sick or died. I currently drink two gallons of it a week. Amazing.
>>35527107 Yes, some lady from the FDA or USDA said that drinking raw milk is "literally playing with your life." I'm sure some people here agree with that. The same dumb niggers that take antibiotics for a cold.
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