>>35520418 Yeh man. Coyotes are just malnourished German Shepards. Slighly larger frame-wise, but half the weight and with a weaker bite. One good kick is all it takes. They don't have the size or mobility to take on a human.
>>35520739 I saw my dad (who was a 260lb powerlifter) cold cock a charging German Shepard when I was 10. The dogs lower jaw was shattered, hanging there and the top half was caved in. It was put down after that. As I was just standing there in amazement he says "Son, no matter how big they are, never be afraid of a dog or guy with red hair"
>>35520418 I was running back home from the gym once and two coyotes showed up out of nowhere >slow down as I get closer to growl >realize it's a coyote >full soccer kick to coyote face >continue on run his buddy and him ended up running off lol
Well where the fuck are you going to punch it? Have you ever seen two deer go at eachother in the wild? An average deer could rip through any human assuming he doesn't have any equipment. Sticking a needle up your ass won't help much.
>>35518294 With a melee weapon i would but barehanded its a death wish with no real hope of coming out on top. With extreme luck you could gouge the eyes out while it bites into you but you would still bleed to death and the lion wouldnt die on the spot.
>>35521372 I once accidentally hit my tiny dog with a baseball going at 60 mph or so and I just saw its fucking muscle ripple and deflect it like it was nothing. That would have put a grown ass man down.
How badass would it be to live in the time of the assyrians? Assyrian kings hunted lions for fun. They would just head out one day with some of their bros and kill an entire pride of lions. Can any of consider ourselves alpha?
Remember that shit normies say to justify not getting muscular? "I'd rather be fast because then I can outrun wild animals if attacked."
I don't care how fast you are, you're not going to outrun anything that is going to try to maul you. I'd rather be strong enough to pick up a heavy object to defend myself with, or at the very least punch it hard enough in the nose to hurt it, because chances are you're going down anyway, you may as well go down fighting.
Yeah a lion is fast and strong. But lions rely on suffocating their prey by attacking the neck, or having them bleed out while pinning the animal to the ground.
If you think a fully grown gorilla with fully posable hands and arms would just lie there while its neck gets torn out, I don't think so. Lions natural prey don't have arms that can grab, punch, push and strangle.
>>35518294 Do I think it could be done? Oh hell yeah, bare hands? Probably not, with a spear or a sword, yes... Look at gladiators and tribesman of Africa. How do you think they fought off lions before there were guns?
>>35522320 Animals are just explosive and ferocious, I guarantee you that a trained human(martial arts, not just lifting) who is in the kill or be killed mindset could take on even a larger wild animal(cougar or something similar). However that is as long as he weights more than the animal.
I wouldn't give it to a Lion easily, but you have to look at the behaviours dynamics and stats as well as just hands vs claws.
Male Lions are ambush predators and generally grow to be a little larger and heavier than your average gorilla too, but the same ballpark- if it gets a good sneak attack in I wouldn't give a gorilla long.
Gorillas are evolved for hunting and killing plants which is why they have stubby teeth, small mouths, and no claws- their only real "weapons" are punching and pummelling, compared to a Lion which has evolved for millions of years with knives in its paws specifically for tearing into the limbs of large herbivores (including 2 ton bulldozers like Hippos and fucking Rhinos) with the instincts for chasing and murdering fleeing prey (like the gorilla, the first instinct of which when faced with a predator would likely to be fleeing).
Not to mention, while not really having regular predators to speak of, Gorillas in the wild are actually known to be killed by leopards, which are legitimately half the size and weight of Lions.
It'd be a tough fight for the cat but, honestly 1v1 I'd have to give it to the Lion.
Gorilla could easily enough snap bones if it got a hold of a limb. Any sort of structural injury to an ambush predator (which is not accustomed to actually fighting it's prey) and it's completely fucked.
>>35522979 Silverbacks may be lighter than Lion, but they are so much stronger that it is unreal. They can handle weights of 4000lbs and have a bite that is 1200lbs. Also Gorillas are much smarter than Lions.
>>35523130 >so much stronger its unreal  You know it's fucking difficult to test the strength of a gorilla because it's a wild animal, but still easier than strength testing something like a Lion right?
>handle weights of 4000lbs [citation fucking needed] You know a gorillas legs are weaker than it's arms right? Standing up it's not gonna have the stability to fucking handle 4000lbs unless its driving a forklift
>>35518294 Lions used to be my favorite animal before I started going thru a wolf phase; now they're only my second favorite. But here's a fun lion fact for you guys! No one knows for sure who would win in a fight between a lion and a tiger, since they don't live near each other in the wild. But they are kept together in circuses, and it's believed that lions would have the upper hand, because while the tigers become agitated when the lions are near and posing a potential threat, the lions don't seem to be scared of the tigers at all. Hence, if they were to fight, lions would be likely to move violently and aggressively with no hesitation.
So, I think this Conrad fellow would be in for an awfully rude awakening to say the least. lol.
>>35523998 That guy is so dumb it hurts. No amount of muscle will save you against claws and teeth. I'd give him a few seconds before the lion tears him apart. In one movement he'd be on top of this musclehead chewing at all the shit tier meat this guy has
>>35523998 Didn't the Romans have tigers fight lions? I'm like 90% sure this happened and I think the tigers usually won.
>So, I think this Conrad fellow would be in for an awfully rude awakening to say the least. Well, unfortunately no one knows for sure who would win in a fight between a Conrad and a lion, since they don't live near each other in the wild
>>35523998 The tigers would kill the lions like it's nothing. They are bigger, they are faster, they are stronger, they are more intelligent. Their ways to hunt are also advantageous against other predators.
>>35522979 >there are people on /fit/ right now who have not read Tarzan of the apes.
Lion wins because unlike humans gorillas freeze when suddenly faced with danger. So the lion stalks the gorilla and and lets out a roar, Gorilla freezes and the lion jumps right to its throat killing it.
>>35524769 I used to have a Great Dane & a huge American Bulldog. They used to tear apart coyotes when they would sneak in for the ducks. Always made me worry about diseases . I'd be more afraid of a porcupine getting pissed at me than a coyote.
>>35524840 Here's a coyote hunt from my neighbor and I on our property a couple years ago. The guy on the right is 6'2" 320lbs for reference. Porcupines cost me $3000 total on my Bull dog, 5 times he tried to eat one.
>>35522843 Take on a cougar.... are you retarded...
A cougar has 5 knives on each hand and a bite that can crack a skull. Not only that but it is entirely silent when prowling and preparing to pounce. I don't care if you are Watashi Tsumanihara Ichigo Bankai Uchiha who has mastered the Itakimasu Desu Senpai Rasengan Leaf Dragon Ten Million Strike Technique. In real life no amount of empowered chakras and karate chops is going to save you when a 200lb Cougar that is probably taller than you (Cougar can be over 6 feet tall when standing on hind legs) jumps you at 45mph and snaps your neck.
Sure it is possible, but any grappling hold you got on this animal it could easily struggle out of or just shred the muscles on your arms and body. Put it in a choke hold and you lose an arm to the claws. Your only bet would be to grab it by the scruff and pin it but it could still easily reach your legs or face.
Put short, you are a troll or an idiot who has no idea what he is talking about. Humans have an almost impossible to bridge disadvantage when fighting big cats unarmed. Some exceptional humans can fight bears, but that is because a lot of bigger bears lack the flexibility of a cat and there are more points they can be held and attacked. Just so you know, 2 humans in history have succesfully killed an Grizzly Bear unarmed, now just ask yourself how many unarmed humans Grizzly Bears have killed.
the only men brave enough to take lions only by spear are the Massais. and if I can believe the accounts of some victorian big-game hunter it is considered exceptionally brave to grab the lions tail and hold it until the others killed the lion. after doing this like 5 times you become giganigger or something.
>>35520540 >Be me >Be at my grandpas house when a kid >Out of the way >He taught me to shoot >Would shoot yotes occasionally >One time, at night, I was out front by myself >Jump into this old barrel that is in the front yard, just playing >Hear a breathing sound, hairs on my neck and arms stand up >fear of death >Turn around >Fucking coyote right in front of me >Figured he knew I killed his bros >Screamed, and ran >My scream Musta startled it, because I didn't die and got away One of my more scary moments from my childhood. I was around 7
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>>35525312 Precisely who I was thinking about. If I had a spear I would fight a lion to death. I may die, but fuck it, it's a win-win situation there: "he got killed by a lion fighting it with a spear" and "he killed a lion with a spear" are almost equally badass. Anyway, the massai are no longer legaly authoriced to kill lions because they made them endagered, even more so than illegal hunters.
>>35528528 male lions which are leaders of a pride (harem of females + cubs) generally dont hunt but obviously there are more males than just these guys so they have to hunt for themselves! no hard and fast rules in nature
>>35518294 in a fight a against a lion being a 6'4" nfl linebacker or a typical DYEL /fit/izen is gonna make much of a difference. Youre not gonna be able to rely on any amount of physical prowess to overcome a lion.
It would be a matter of complete luck and being able to outwit it if anyone won a fight with a beast like that.
>>35529034 almost all apes (orangutan's are an exception) have significantly lower bf% than humans chimps have significantly more substantial (in both size and efficiency) tendon attachments. a good way to think of this is the force difference between hitting someone with a punch to the forehead, or a baseball bat. nothing changed in terms of muscle mass- everything changed in terms of force multiplication.
>>35528528 Yea most male lions go a number of periods in life where the must fend for themselves.
first as adolescents when they leave the pride but arent strong enough to overcome an alpha and start their own pride. And there periods inbetween being ousted as the alpha from their pride. Its not unusual to see packs of young males or solitary old lions roaming the Savannah
>>35527001 in the accounts of a pre-ww1 big-game hunter he writes that the massai got bumfucked hard by the lions and he had to go down there and shoot like 300 lions to bring back balance after they multiplied because of reason I forgot. until whites showed up the massai were literal bitches of the lions.
>>35524539 I've had/have Weimaraners and their bites are pretty fucking powerful, like, breaking your hand and arms powerful. While I've used this trick with my Weimaraner while he's play bitten before (don't want that), I've also seen him crush, and I mean CRUSH an entire fucking Hare in one bite without even trying, the thing looked like it was hit by a car and it just ran in front of him when we were out. I'm seriously certain that if he bit me and meant it, I'd be on the ground in a fucking heap with no hand, never mind being able to do this. The bite power on dogs, especially larger ones just isn't to be fucked with, I'd sooner trust a bat to the dogs head than trying some trick like this.
>>35529723 1%? That's a very generous estimate. I'd say about 0.01% at best. You'd have to be fucking huge just to survive. The only person I could think of that could legitimately have a chance against killing a lion (given he studied up on how they fight, and trained for a while) would be Hafthor.
>>35529821 Exactly. I myself was being generous when stating "trained for a while". It would take a LOT of training to be able to take down a full grown lion in the wild. But speed still won't save someone from a lion. They would have to be the apex of strength, speed, tactics, and size to be able to take down a lion bare-handed. I would say that the number of people who could pull off such a feat is about the same number of people who are billionaires. Humans just aren't cut out for that kind of shit.
>>35529921 It depends on where it is. Someone like Hafthor may be able to survive a slash to the stomach because of higher body fat and muscle protecting the vital organs. A lion's claws are about four inches, and I think that - if he didn't bleed out before then - he could handle it. A slice or bite to the neck of which lions are fond, not so much. If he could keep his neck safe I think he could do it; with the provided training of course.
>>35530093 I believe it's possible, I just don't think it's likely. The only thing I can think of would be choking it to death, or breaking its neck. And saying "just build a trap" is dancing around the hypothetical. The hypothetical was "how could a human kill a wild lion using only their hands?" Traps weren't apart of it.
>>35526630 Against an animal as big as a fucking whale, I think the only options to kill it with no weapons would be cramming the blowhole. I really can't imagine any other way, they're just way too big
>>35520418 I have, like other anons have said all it takes is one kick and they run off like bitches. They're a huge menace in central Texas so growing up my dad always kept a .243 near the back door to pop them whenever they got in our back yard.
>>35530375 Once again, petty insults. It's amusing how everyone on 4chan claims to be a genius, yet they can't even engage in a hypothetical situation. Telling me to "end myself" because I'm not a dumb fucking meathead, and I actually like to think? You sure showed me.
>>35520862 i actually believe this one because i've seen people kick dogs all the time and they get scared when they realize a human kick can actually hurt them a lot dogs and coyotes aren't wolfs they are fairly small
>>35530140 >The only thing I can think of would be choking it to death, or breaking its neck.
You're not gonna get far with that I don't think m8. Look at the size comparison.
Lion necks are basically muscle bolted to their chests, they don't have scrawny necks like us. You'd have to get your whole arms around it to meet at the throat and at that point you're basically opening yourself up for a mauling.
>>35530658 For the average person it would be nigh impossible, but we're talking about what it would take to do such a thing. Do you think someone like Hafthor could do it? Or could a smaller person do it?
That's a good point. Not many people know this, but an adult male coyote can run up to 40 mph in full pursuit. You're not going to outrun that, you'll just be that much more tired when the coyote goes in for the kill.
Right? Buncha dude-bros all like "yeah I could totally pound a coyote into the ground, even if it was birthing season and the coyote was up to %25 more likely to cause an injury requiring medical attention because it was defending it's pups"
>>35531682 An animal's entire livelyhood and means of sustaining itself is based on beign able to bite/tear at prey using its jaw/head/neck strength and you something thing that "snapping" its neck would be a simple matter...
>>35520752 You think you could knock out a deer? A fucking deer? It's not a fucking plus sized mouse with a long neck you dunce, they compete for mates by smashing their huge, antlered heads directly into another huge antlered head, with a FUCKTON of force You don't appreciate the neck muscles in a deer til you've seen it up close, The best you could do is probably daze it for a second, though you'd never get close enough to take it by surprise, after your one punch it'd gore and kick you to death
>>35529034 Yes, yes they do, their entire structure is basically "More Force, Less Space" than our own
I believe there was some kind of strength test done on some chimps at the bronx zoo a while back, they rigged up a device that could measure pulling force and had a rope dangling into the enclosure so the chimps could pull on it Before they did this they went to some university in the same city, got the beefiest guy on the football team to pull with all his might and from memory it was ~300 pounds pulling force A female chimp was later recording pulling on the rope, with one hand, with over a 1000 pounds of force
They're insanely strong man, my mum works with animals and her coworker who had experience working with chimps before swore she'd rather be locked in a room with a full grown tiger than a chimp.
>>35529141 they mostly east fruits and plants but will gladly eat meat when its available (a surprising amount of leaf eaters are "opportunistic carnivores" squirrels, deer, rhinos) neighboring groups will sometimes raid each other, surprise attacking them, if they manage to catch any rival chimps they rip them apart and eat them
>>35529401 Yeah, my uncle went to a hunter group (you have to attend one here to hunt legit and get a proper weapon) and the leader had one arm ripped of. He told that they shot a hog and went looking for him when they thought he was dead. He wasn't.
>>35518294 They have 5 little knives on each hand. Consider how difficult it would be to fight a normal man who was your size who had knife hands. You lose that fight 9 times out of 10. Now imagine that knife handed man is more than twice your size and strength, has the hand speed of a professional boxer, has inhumanly quick reflexes, and has had to fight and kill for every meal it has ever eaten. Oh and also he has ~3 inch canines and enough bite force to crush your spine. You lose that fight, period.
>>35530718 Hafthor could not do it. A smaller person could not do it. No one could do it. If you tried to choke the lion out, it would bite and claw the fuck out of your arms and then rip you to pieces once you let go. This is the inevitable outcome with any sort of grappling tactic. You could try to stay back and feed it punches, but the lion is much faster than you so this would never work, it would just pounce on you and now we are back to grappling -> mauling -> death. The only chance someone would have to beat a lion with their bare hands would be a one punch knockout, and no human can throw a punch that powerful. Lions just have so many advantages over us: speed, size, strength, reflexes, the fact that 5 out of 6 ends are sharp, etc. No amount of strategy, training, or size (within human limits) could fill that gap.
>>35534669 There are, if I remember correctly, two men to have ever done this, and one is fairly unverified. Yes, there is a chance of winning any fight against an animal through dumb luck, but 99 times out of 100 that bear rips you to pieces, and 99 times out of 100 that lion rips you to pieces.
>>35531580 Did you fucking watch the gorilla fight video? Gorillas are actually shy cowards 99% of the time and not some bloodlust berserker meat tank like people think they are. They're herbivores for fuck's sake, just scary-looking ones.
Gorillas aren't some supernatural monsters nigger the laws of physics still apply to them
Lion legs are strong enough and durable enough to withstand the force of launching a 500lb LION, THREE METRES INTO THE AIR in a STANDING JUMP
You think a Gorilla is going to snap one of the most heavily muscled explosively powerful limbs on in the animal kingdom with one uncoordinated slap?
>>35531615 >Give a Gorilla a good sneak attack on a Lion
Except that'll never fucking happen you moron A Gorilla lives in jungles and rainforests where you get heavy foliage cover and is a herbivore with shitty-ass human-tier senses. A Lion is a hunting machine with eyes like telescopes, ears like microphones, a nose that could smell a gorilla before it can even hear it, and fucking night vision. One is an ambush predator and one is a shy herbivore. See where I'm going with "Sneak attack"?
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