Why isn't everyone on keto yet? It's 2016.

>>35506849
didn't work for me in eleven weeks... just had a few multi grain bread cheese melts and peanut butter.. fuck it.

>>35506849
Because I like oats..

Oat cravings

Speak for yourself. Not everyone wants heart disease, diabetes, colon cancer, cognitive impairment, and no gains.

>rice
>pasta
>sweet potatoes
>oats
>beans
>bread on occasion

i love all of these things and too much carcass hurts my stomach

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Because I count calories and maintain an active lifestyle which benefits from high carbohydrate intake.

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Just got into a ketogenic state today. Not planning on doing it long term (4+ months). More so expirementing with how it affects my body

because I'm not a fat shit desperately trying to lose weight.

You mean a cyclical keto diet with carb refeeds after work outs right?

>>35506905
Only lifting/sprinting burns mass amounts of glycogen, I'm sure you're not doing anything that requires carbs.

>>35506914
>Just got into a ketogenic state today
So you've been doing atkins for like 3 days woah

>>35506849
Because it doesn't fucking matter. Shut uo about your dumb diet.

penis

Does it taste good? Also I have minor IBS. If I eat stuff to greasy, rich, my stomach gets really upset.

Is this similar to a diabetic going into ketosis with high blood sugar

>>35507297
Yeah actually living requires carbs.

>>35506849
But I do anon. Down from ~200 to 170 lbs at 5'9'' (well technically 5'8.5'' but I round up #devilish) from when I started late October to this morning when I had my physical

I still look like a smaller version of my fat self though which is why I will begin lifting the moment I head back to school in a couple of days but I am happy with my results

>>35506849
how is that steak/meat cooked? it looks fried

>>35507416
Uses carbs=/=needing.

Ketones do the same thing brah.

>>35507445
what's your main source of ketones? as in all food or supplements too?

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Am I the only one who sees Feelguy in OP's steak?

>>35507445
>>35507416
You can survive in ketosis. Maintaining health and biological fitness is another story. That requires physiologic glycemia, either through an exogenous source or permanently upregulated gluconeogenic enzymes as in carnivores.

>>35507515
>Am I the only one who sees Feelguy in OP's steak?

Holy shit!

>>35506888
>diabetes

If there is 1 thing on that list that keto won't cause and probably protects you against it is diabetes

>>35507518
so in practical terms what must be done?

>>35507515
I saw it too

>>35506849
Not keto, but been low-carbing (between 50g-100g) per day along with calorie deficit, and lost about 40 pounds in 4 months. The lower carbs definitely keeps the hunger pangs away.

>>35507515
fucking hell mate

>>35507518
>That requires physiologic glycemia, either through an exogenous source or permanently upregulated gluconeogenic enzymes as in carnivores.

fuck off nerd

>>35506849
>No beans
>No quinoa
>No OATZ
>No bananas
>No blueberries
Yeah I'll pass.

>>35507479
Ketone supplements are a scam.

>>35506966
this is the correct answer

>>35507530
High fat diets including ketogenic diets are are a standard protocol to induce ectopic fat accumulation and insulin resistance. That's diabetes.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0100875
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/299/5/E808.long
http://ajpgi.physiology.org/content/300/6/G956
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/306/5/E552.abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.200700415/abstract

Like any calorie restricted diet it'll help a fatty lose weight and you'll see improved biomarkers secondary to that, but this fact alone doesn't make it healthy in the long run.

>>35506849

Because I feel like shit when I do. Best method is carb cycling.

>>35506849
I hate when faggots say they ate on keto but don't eat vegetables.

>>35507686
http://highsteaks.com/

educate yourself, you dumb, dumb fucks.

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>>35507912
>you've been educated stupid
>timecube.com

>>35506888
Did it for a month or two, lost 25 ish pounds, felt great then and now. Maybe I'll get cancer down the road, but I really doubt it'll be because keto.

Before man was able to process grains into bread n shit, I feel like humans ran on meat, eggs, vegetables, etc.. Could be wrong on that. fruit would be carbs, but a lot of keto plans allow fruit. I ate fruit and used those pee sticks, still said I was producing ketones.

Not trying to start shit or anything, but it worked for me, for what it's worth. I could be wrong about the whole thing, but I'm starting to trust my common sense more than articles online that all seem to contradict each other. Worked well, felt great, no issues at physicals/check-ups at the doctor.

>>35507686
Not a scientist but in your first link,
>After an 8 h-fasting at the end of the 5th week, insulin tolerance test (ITT) were performed by injecting human insulin (0.75 U/kg body weight), followed by measurements of blood glucose (0 min, 30 min, 60 min, 90 min, and 120 min) with a glucosemeter.

Wouldn't that have effects that differ from say, actually eating carbs?

I see a smiling wojak on that Brown thing in OP's pic

>>35508083
Not for assessing intact insulin signal transduction, which is the relevant variable here. If you were interested in other things like what happens differently in the ENS in response to this kind of diet, sure.

Here's one looking at oral glucose tolerance, another proxy of insulin sensitivity, if you remained unconvinced

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/101/6/693.full.pdf

>>35506888
i like how keto studies support the opposite of everything you said

nice troll

>>35508246
[denial intensifies]

>>35506849
Because carbs are yummy and there is literally no reason to not eat them.

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>>35506849
Anybody here remember the Something Awful Keto thread?

>guy kills his dog by feeding him nothing by cream for 6 months
>early 20's men having heart problems
>people literally eating bacon 3+ times a day, some having 10 servings of bacon every day for months
>CHEESE AND GROUND BEEF AND BACONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN and basically nothing else for MONTHS
>bloodtests showing their cholesterol levels are worse than 70 year old obese men and being prescribed heart medication for it
>somebody was banned for saying all these things
>Keto discussion was banned on the site for 2 years after the thread was closed by the site's owner in fear of being sued for the stupidly dumb advice the thread's owners were putting out

because only zealots and no actual medical or scientific body in the world considers purposefully avoiding foods proven to be healthy - whole grains, fruits, legumes, starchy/non-starchy vegetables - and maximizing consumption of unhealthy foods or foods intended to be consumed in moderation - high fat animal products, oils, grease, avocados, nuts, seeds - to be good for you

>>35508364
If you want the most muscle with the least fat you need to control your carb intake.

>>35508765
more like the other way around

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7598063
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25524913

>>35508500
>>guy kills his dog by feeding him nothing by cream for 6 months
>>early 20's men having heart problems
>>people literally eating bacon 3+ times a day, some having 10 servings of bacon every day for months
>>CHEESE AND GROUND BEEF AND BACONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN and basically nothing else for MONTHS
>>bloodtests showing their cholesterol levels are worse than 70 year old obese men and being prescribed heart medication for it
>>somebody was banned for saying all these things
>>Keto discussion was banned on the site for 2 years after the thread was closed by the site's owner in fear of being sued for the stupidly dumb advice the thread's owners were putting out

I do. Didn't save the screenshot, though.

>>35508500
>>35508879
cute typing to yourself

>>35508890
>S-SAMEFAG
Mad ketofag detected.

>>35507416
Completely false.
You can live without carbs.
However you cannot live without fats. Fats are essential.

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>>35508890
joke's on you neither of them were me

>>35506849
WHAT THE FUCK DOES CURRENT YEAR HAVE TO DO WITH DIET??????

>>35507686
All of these are in mice. Do you have any studies done on actual humans?

>>35506849
Cause bulking, but ill go back to keto when I want to get lean in record time.

>>35508924
It's 4 years after the end of the mayan calendar.

We all need to eat meat.

>>35508007
Why do people say Keto will give you cancer? I'm not a ketofag and that makes no sense, cancer is anaerobic and most cancer cells rely on sugar as their primary energy source.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're on a sustained keto style diet, and you're minimizing your intake of carbohydrates, wouldn't that also reduce your sugar intake to a minimum and thus deprive any potential cancer cells of their main source of energy?

Is the argument here that the proteins in the diet will cause increased genetic deterioration and thus increase the chance of cancer in the long run for someone who goes on a ketogenic diet temporarily? Because based on what I understand of cancer cells it would be more or less impossible for most forms of cancer to metastasize in someone who is on a ketogenic diet. That includes any form of colon cancer.

>>35507416
In keto you eat carbs, but very little.

>>35506849

You can eat fried steak with eggs and still lose weight? Seems like a good plan to me.

Because slower metabolism for life once you're done with it (atp energy inefficiency). The increased efficiency while on it is not worth the long term consequences.
Plus there's a myriad of health conditions that it puts you at risk for. Best diet, is balanced diet.

>>35509335
You're 100% wrong, it would be easier for cancer to occur simply because of the protein aspect. Protein is cancerous. No one here wants to admit it and you do need it but the simple fact is that the more growth there is, the more risk there is for cell division to go wrong and cause a cancerous tumor.

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>>35507557
>educated response
>fuck off nerd

never change /fit/

3 month ketofag reporting.

Pros: You get to eat good stuff, high protein, eggs, cheese, meat. You feel "fuller", don't really have to count calories. When I did just straight calorie counting, I was hungry all the time. Lost close to 30 pounds already and showing some noob muscle gains to boot.

Cons: Yes, no carbs = you lose some intensity in the gym. It's not as bad as people say, but it's noticeable. I have found that taking creatine + preworkout (sugar free of course!) effectively counters this.

>>35506849
>Why isn't everyone on keto yet?
>It's 2016.
you literally answered your own question.

the reason we don't follow restrictive meme diets from 2014 is because they are absolute shit.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16403234

carbohydrates are also as important or more important than fats for maintaining testosterone function at low bodyfat %

just ask everyone who has maintained sub 8% for any length of time (including alberto nunez and greg o'gallagher)
http://www.anabolicmen.com/carbohydrates-testosterone/

if you are over 10% bodyfat, it doesn't really matter

but there is no benefit to keto, so why even restrict yourself?

plus, replenishing liver glycogen is probably one of the best ways to kill hunger pangs on 50-80kcal.. fucking god-tier for cutting.

and if you are highly active, you will find that gluconeogenesis just cannot keep up with the body's demand for glucose consumption.

maybe if you shitpost on 4chan all day then keto works great.

>>35507297
>mass amounts of glycogen
sprinting for a full minute does that sure...

or doing medium-intensity activity for like 1-6 hours.

some of us are active all day, every day.

even at home i have to be pacing around nonstop, doing ostrich walks and handstand walks, basic aerobic shit like jumping jacks and jumping lunges, or knocking out chores (chopping wood and shit)
if i stay still for more than 10-15 minutes (Especially if i am sitting down), i start to get uncomfortable.

the only exception is waking rest, where i lie on my back for a good 40 minutes once or twice a day to recuperate.

>>35509335
Cancer is a lot more complicated than that, dude. Oxygen is able to get in the necrotic core through diffusion and fuel many oxygen-dependent processes until angiogenesis kicks in.

Even with complete lack of carbohydrate you still synthesize a decent amount. If you didn't, you would die. All cells require glucose. More is obtained easily through cachexia.

Things will go slower without dietary glucose (or any other kind of exogenously supplied nutrient for that matter), but there is no evidence that carcinogenesis requires dietary carbohydrate. Some cancer cells like for example A549, T47D, and MCF7 even prefer using fatty acids and ketones for fuel. It's considered advantageous because burning these causes a lot of oxidative stress and non-enzymatic acylation, accelerating the rate of acquired mutations and thus natural selection for malignancy.

>>35511472
come join the intermittent fasting masterrace

you get to feast before working out, and carb-up to boot.

no real dealing with hunger.
i don't even use black coffee to blunt appetite, but if you have to, you can add sugar alcohols like erythritol or xylitol for the calorie-free sweetness (no glycemic load, either)

>>35507538
eat some fucking hydrated carbon-based matter

This does need to be clarified though: Keto is for fatties that want to burn fat. If you are already pretty fit, there is no reason for you to be on keto long term.

explain one thing
why is everybody who recommends keto fucking DYEL

>>35511852
Because keto got them out of fatty mode and they're now ready to lift. Anything else?

keto is literally the easiest way for fat fucks to lose weight. shit is the god hand diet. speaking from experience.

>>35510236
>>35511790
>cancer cells love protein and fat
shoo shoo vegan shills

because i'm an athlete and i need a high carbs diet to train on a daily basis.
also i hate veggies and pretty much 99% of my vitamins comes from fruits and legumes

>>35510197
You can eat Twinkies and still lose weight.
Losing weight isn't about what you eat but how much.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

>>35506849
The keto diet is what introduced me to the low carb diet concept. I like vegetables and fruit though, so I really just eat a low carb diet. No wheat, rice, corn, potatoes, sugar, or lactose.
I initially ate a lot of bacon and beef, but I stopped after getting some cholesterol test results.I still eat eggs and cheese, though.

>>35506888
sup green gain goblin how ya doing

>>35507515
What the fuck.

Someone transpose Wojak onto the steak.

>>35510236
>he doesn't know about HGF down-regulation of cv 1 expression
kek

>>35510236
fuck man i study this shit and i'm in high school, what kind of shit tier country are you from?
see>>35512271
the thing is, of you already have cancer a caloric deficit may slow it's growing speed, but a high protons diet doesnt even increase hyperplasia in the human body

>>35510236
Breathing air increases cell division. Is breathing considering cancerous now?

>>35512573
Yes. Stop it now.

>>35512024
This. For people not overweight or with insulin sensitivity issues, its probably not any better than any other diet.

But it may be a necessary tool for super fatties.

>eggs and bacon prevent cancer
>oatmeal will make you fat and kill you

this is what ketards actually believe

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>this thread
>LEAVE MUH NUTRITIONALLY EMPTY HI CARB FOODS ALONE!
>LEAVE THEM ALONE!
>LE DON'T YOU KNOW PROTEIN AND SAT FAT CAUSES CANCER AND HEART DISEASE!?

>>35512873
>implying fruits and whole grains are nutriotionally empty foods
we're not talking about eating doritos intead of meat

Fat and ketone burning is inherently catabolic, degenerative, and stressing. It evolved for short term use during starvation. Glucose and amino acids are anabolic and relieve stress.

>>35512873
>nutritionally empty
>Carbs
carbs are a nutrient, essential to life, and more important to bodybuilding even than fats.

as it is associated with protein anabolism, increased test, and for using mass amounts of glycogen, gluconeogenesis doesn't provide enough glucose.

also, the only people who think sat fats are healthy are pseudo-scientist fucktards.

at sub 10% bodyfat, SFAs are essential for maintaining hormone function.

outside of that, the average person only needs a reasonable amount of MUFAs>>35511707
>just ask everyone who has maintained sub 8% for any length of time (including alberto nunez and greg o'gallagher)
>http://www.anabolicmen.com/carbohydrates-testosterone/

>>35511972
>waiting to get rid of fat before you start lifting
are all ketards this dumb?

>>35513369
Which is kinda not surprising because wild animals and plants /the stuff we originally ate) are almost fat free. Only exception: Nuts. But nuts are usually only available during late autumn, to fatten you up for winter.

>>35507283
Thats more like a targeted keto diet, or TKD
You eat some simple carbs right before a workout to give your muscles a glycogen boost.

Cyclical or CKD is a refeed maybe once a week, where you intake a meal of a ton of carbs, and then ride the wave the following week. This works, in that your first workout after your refeed needs to be long and hard to reduce all the glycogen in your body and put you back into keto right away.

CKD is hard, where as TKD is easier to maintain. That said, I love the weekly refeeds on CKD.

>>35506966
Checked

Also correct answer

>>35507886
Yeah, IMO the only correct way to do keto is to eat a head of broccoli or cabbage or cauliflower per day. You gotta intake a ton of veggies, good thing is, you can douse them the fuck with olive oil and it just helps fill you up, hit macros and lose weight.

>>35507443
Egg,breadcrumbs in oil. Looks like Schnitzel

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>>35506849
I am. It's day six. I feel pretty awful a lot of the time. Have to constantly drink salt water to feel better. I hope this shit works.

>>35513381
>gluconeogenesis doesn't provide enough glucose
>i make bullshit claims without citing credible sources: the post
>i think the keto diet restricts 100% carbs and doesn't allow for low carb veges like broccoli and spinach
there's a healthy keto diet and a non-healthy keto diet just like any other diet

quit being fucking retarded

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>>35512980
>muh crossbed sugary apples are really good for you! see they have fiber!
>muh whole wheat durum pasta has a whole 6 grams of protein per 200 kcal!
>enjoy your extra 200 cals of chicken breast ketards!

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>>35513369
>if you don't eat potatoes and bread then you're starving!

>>35509335
Not all cancer cells are affected by lack of glucose. Some are and yeah then keto can help. It's also part of a family of fasting diets that lower among other things IGF. Moreso if you take keto as high fat, moderate protein and low carb.

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>>35506888
>cognitive impairment
>http://www.neurorexia.com/2013/03/24/brain-livin-on-ketones-a-molecular-neuroscience-look-at-the-ketogenic-diet/
>In the last decade, keto has been shown to improve memory in patients at risk for Alzheimer’s disease, stabilize mood in type II bipolar disorder, reduce symptoms in Parkinson’s disease and even ameliorate some behavioral and social deficits in autism
>yfw keto is a cure for AUTISM

>heart disease
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
>There was a significant decrease in the level of triglycerides, total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and glucose, and a significant increase in the level of HDL cholesterol in the patients.

>diabetes
uwot?

>no gains
keto diet consists of a higher than usual protein intake, nuff said

>colon cancer
>Colorectal cancer has also been shown to be better treated with a low sugar diet
>http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3117

>>35507557
Stfu faggot.

>>35506849
because I like to have a beer after work occasionally

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>>35507364
in my mouth...

>no homo
>no homo
>no homo

What happens if you bulk on keto? Do your gains suffer without the carbs? I'm just curious

>>35506849
> Keto
> Breaded steak

are you kidding ?

I want to have a healthy heart. Keto doesn't look healthy for your heart at all

>>35517496
you can still have a few carbs and stay in ketosis

don't be autistic about it

>>35517547
>mom who watches Dr. Oz: the post

>>35517569
It isn't full keto then and doesn't have the same benefits

>>35506849
I don't buy it. Unless you have that genetic disease where your body can't process carbs like the rest then it's calories in calories out for you. It's fucking physics. Plus imagine all those awkward dinner conversations. I'd be forced to eat alone.

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>>35517851
>lets his social awkwardness guide his diet decisions
I'm guessing you eat nothing but candy, pizza, ice cream, potato chips, etc everyday faggot?

>>35517908
There's plenty of healthy diets unrelated to keto

>>35506859
>multi grain bread
And if cheese melts mean what I think it means it really wasn't keto

>>35517467
I've seen a few before and after keto bulks and it looks like it might still reduce abdominal fat but doesn't help lean gains in the subq fat department. This is just from seeing that these people were very notably leaner around their midsections which is an okay but not perfect indicator for abdominal fat.

It doesn't seem to help gains that much either, I'm of the opinion that keto based lifting is suboptimal so bulking on keto is not a great idea for bigger muscles. Doing a keto cut and a balanced light bulk seems like it works well

>>35517946
Yeah, most of them.

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>>35507515

>>35506849
PSMF for the win,faggot.

It will fuck you up mentally and you will become a psycho but omg MUH leaness in 3-4 fucking weeks,MUJ 5% BF DROP IN A FUCKING MONTH MUH SHREDED AS FUCK.

>>35507355
>atkins
Fag

>>35517950
this was some of my first carb including eats.

I used three types of cheese.. raw gouda , a robusto gouda and a raw goat... just sliced in between two slices of fresh baked multi grain from whole foods bakery.. damned good just had another couple..

I am no longer sold on keto busting fat and now hang my last hopes o Yohimbine HCL arrivign tomorrow

if i don't kill myself and don't lose this spare tire I will stop caring and give up and eat whatever the fuck I like..

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Unless you look like this, then you don't need to do keto to lose weight... That is unless you are a fat weak willed lard bucket who can't control themselves around sugar

>>35515730
>Alzheimer’s disease
>bipolar disorder
>Parkinson’s disease
>autism
All of these implicate too much neural excitation and excitotoxicity. Alzheimer’s patients are given memantine (NMDA antagonist blocking excitatory neurotransmission), BPD various anticonvulsants, Parkinson's various antiglutamatergics, autism antipsychotics and anticonvulsants. So it's no wonder keto is helpful. Healthy people without these things need neural excitation for synaptic plasticity and information processing. Suppressing it causes cognitive impairment. In fact increasing neural excitation above baseline in healthy people with things like acute glucose administration improves cognitive functioning.

>>yfw keto is a cure for AUTISM
Helping to improve some symptoms marginally != cure

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
This was done in obese individuals who see their lipid profiles improve no matter how they lose weight. They could eat a doughnut diet, or use amphetamines and cocaine to suppress appetite, and as long as they cut calories their health will improve. At the same weight and calorie consumption for TDEE though keto puts you at much higher risk for CVD.

>uwot?
High fat diets cause insulin resistance

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11679437

>keto diet consists of a higher than usual protein intake, nuff said
10-20% protein is nothing and this is amplified by keto's suppression of insulin and anabolism in general. A well-known side effect of keto, documented even when it was first used clinically to treat epilepsy, is stunted growth.

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>>35515730
>Colorectal cancer has also been shown to be better treated with a low sugar diet
quackery

Here's the actual study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2820374/

which doesn't support their claims at all. It's in vitro so there's no idea how it will generalize to in vivo conditions (pic related), nonetheless diet modification. Something mimicking a ketogenic diet in vitro wasn't even tested. The researchers just saw that the glucose transporter GLUT1 had increased expression in the cancer cells allowing them to survive with reduced glucose and calories in the growth medium.

A ketogenic diet doesn't inhibit GNG or glucose uptake by these cells so there's no reason to think it would help. They will just take up more glucose with this mutation, forcing host tissues to use more fatty acids and ketones. Many cancers can also produce extra inflammatory cytokines to stimulate GNG and block glucose utilization by host tissues to get even more.

>>35518780
Also, GLUT1 is a known moonlighting protein so it could be other things besides glucose uptake driving these effects.

>>35506849

Seems like a fad diet.

I think most people would just be better off if they reduced processed food and increased veggies, of both variety and quantity.

Just moderate into a healthier diet. Have a salad and side dish for lunch. Not hard, and would make a dramatic difference for a lot of people.

>>35507515
Nope

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>>35518663
oh look it's that cherry picking vegan shill autist that's in every keto thread

Went from 5'8" 275 to 195 since the end of May last year on keto. Also quit drinking alcohol too. Been stalled since October though, thinking of changing it up...suggestions?

>>35512053
In case somebody unironically starts defending meat later itt : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ&index=1&list=PLyYvriYolx1EHz4MOwt5V9ypEakICPkr-

>>35513915
Eat those carbs after your workout not before.

>>35519406
It's amazing how this guy selectively interprets data and cherry-picks a few inconclusive epidemiological studies and hypothetical mechanisms to then combine and promote as 'fact'. Everything in favor of his vegan cult, animal products have no benefits and plants have no harms. Two servings of poached wild salmon a week will kill you and instantly give you every chronic disease in the book. Same kind of religious zeal found in ketofags.

>>35507515
Oh my gooooooooooooooood!

>>35517496
It could be a huge myriad of other things.
>Almond Flour
>Coconut flour
>Flax Seed
>Crushed up Pork Rinds
Crushed pork rinds on fried chicken is fucking amazing, fyi

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>>35507395

>>35506849
Anyone else see the feelsbrah face on the steak?

>>35518532
>Eating a cheese and bread sandwhich
>Why can't I lose weight?

Retarded faggot, eat chicken, eggs, brown rice, sweet potatoes, and veggies. Have the meat and rice or sweet potato make up %25 of your plate each, then half a plate of veggies.

On top of that, workout or do something active.

That's how you lose weight. Stop being stupid.

Give yourself a cheat day and eat shitty once every two weeks.

>>35521275
>Have the meat and rice or sweet potato make up %25 of your plate each, then half a plate of veggies.
>25% + 50% (half) = 75%
>Stop being stupid.
kek

>>35506849
I went VEGAN this year. I don't know why VEGAN gets capitalized. VEGAN.

>>35515292
>he thinks that fruit is unhealthy
You've reached the point of no return.