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How do I know if I'm really self-disciplined, hard-working, virtuous, focused and dedicated or just becoming a narcissist?'

Like, I don't even care about dating anymore because I have an end-goal in how I want my life to turn out and no woman can help me achieve it. No one can, actually; I and I alone can achieve my own dreams.

Or is my thinking fucked up?

Help pls.
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help pls /fit/, this is a problem I'm legitimately worried about
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>>35506283
both eventually merge into the same thing, now give us sauce
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>>35506468

>doesn't know who alizee is

get ready son

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6omsDyFNlk
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Who is this semen demon
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She could do ballet on my dick any day.
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>>35506483

see

>>35506482
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>>35506482
...there goes nofap 2016...
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>>35506283
I'd say just go with it... You might meet a girl that changes your mind, or you might not. Just do whatever makes you happy breh.
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>alizee thread

This is why /fit/ is best board.
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It's a question I ask every day.

The most important thing is to make sure you're focused on personal satisfaction. Are you doing this be happy, to satisfy yourself and to improve the life of those around you?

Don't get sucked into the self improvement trap. Simplying becoming better to level up or be better than others in toxic. You will never be satisfied. You will always hate what you are and what you are not.

Many need a companion in life. Others do not. We switch between these two people. Don't put too much stock in this. Just make sure you are making the right choices for a fulfilling life, and not the easy choices for a life that's simply larger.
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>>35506482

I didn't recognise her either. damn, how old is she now?
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>>35506872

31 and still hot as ever
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>>35506825

I agree with this man

self improvement is a stupid quasi-capitalistic/individualist meme I grew out of a long time ago (maybe one or two years ago)

just do thing for the sake of doing them, because you enjoy them and hurt no one, attach no morality towards it.
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>>35506962

>individualism is a meme

you're on fucking /fit/ dude, savage individualism is like the bedrock philosophy of this board
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>>35506907
Fuck... time flies. I remember fapping to her back in 2004.

Christ, why don't thirtysomething women normally look like this?
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>>35506682
>tattoo
damn she was almost perfect
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What's wrong with narcissism?
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>>35507681
wow yeah i agree
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>>35507681
tatoos r badass ur just afraid 2 get one
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>>35507874
Nah, tats signal a difference in life priorities and values; they're an expression of personal opinion, not a signal of bravery or cowardice.

If you got tats, date a girl with tats. If you don't, date a girl who doesn't want them.

Also, I work in porn production, and pretty much 100% of the women willing to shove bottles and fists into their vaginas have tattoos.
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Most muscle guys get tatts to hide their roid stretchmarks
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>>35507945
lol ya rite u know ur just a pussy. Real men have tats
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>>35507945
I've known a lot of girls with tattoos that wouldn't shove bottles into their vaginas.... It's a good way to know what someone is about, but then again so is talking. There's this weird taboo with tattoos on guys though, girls will just automatically assume he's cool af because he has tattoos and I've witnessed this countless times (regardless of education level).

It's very shallow and vain and trite, but it's the society we live in :<
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>>35507945
>Also, I work in porn production, and pretty much 100% of the women willing to shove bottles and fists into their vaginas have tattoos.

tell us more pls
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Oh snap.

Ever since I got fit and got into sports on a somewhat serious level, I've trained myself discipline, ambition, self-esteem and mindset to the point where I really don't need any validation from the opposite sex. Or well, ofc I love dem mires, but that's all I need. When I know that many people would want me, I stop wanting them.

It goes like that with pretty much everything in life. If it's easy - I don't want it. I haven't had sex in almost 2 years and I haven't been on dates in ages. I used to run on dates quite often, before I realized that I'm not enjoying that shit. I became really comfortable and good with people (not that I had ever been an autist of any kind) but there was nothing which could have maintained my interests. And no matter their looks, personality or what ever, I just felt absolutely nothing.

I get the greatest satisfaction in life by working out and generally improving myself and my life. Setting goals for myself and working towards them. Nowadays I don't feel like sharing my life with anyone and I can't say I'd enjoy dating or flirting in a serious matter.

My social circle has really slimmed down, and it's mainly cause I realized that I don't even enjoy the company of certain people. I hangout with them cause we have known each others for 10+ years or cause I think that "you gotta be social." Yeah I got no problem with that every now and then, but I don't really feel like that I need close interaction with other people that often. This despite that I consider my self as an extrovert, but I just feel like I need an "audience" but I don't really care about being super close anymore with anyone else than myself.

I would like to have a family and offspring one day, so in that sense this is a bit problematic. I'm just honestly not into romance, dating or other sex than masturbation. I don't hate that stuff, but it doesn't really do anything for me. Doesn't feel like anything special.
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>>35506482

>2003

Am interest in seeing some reverse progress pics due to the ravages of time on this one.
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>>35508014

Just realized the other pics were more recent.

Tattoos were a mistake.
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>>35508008
And before someone points out that I'm prob some 15yo edgy virgin, I've tried all that and never got much satisfaction from it at all. Even fucked model tier people and masturbation honestly feels better.

I think that most people hang into other people and relationships so much cause it makes them feel worthy and cause they need the attention and validation. When I was younger, I felt the same way, but the second I discovered an other source for those feels, I haven't craved for relationships after that.

I've been single for so long that I have totally gotten off the dating market and I just don't get why people do that. I've been on countless dates during my lifespan but the dates has never been really good. Getting to know a person is always boring and it's almost like a job interview. And I can't say that I was too interested to hear where the other person went to school and how he goes running three times a week and enjoys watching movies. Sometimes they like something more exotic, like rock climbing, but like I gave a fuck about that or some random person's hobbies. I know this sounds very edgy, but seriously, there's nothing interesting to discover in other people romantic wise. I'm all for good stories, interesting people and background, but it doesn't come hand in hand with the fact that I'd like to live with them or sleep in a same bed with them, yet alone lick their genitals.

If you think about it, relationships really are for betas. Raising children on the other hand, actually serves a meaning and a purpose which is pretty high on my personal list of values in life.
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>>35506283
Narcissism is misplaced pride. Just take pride in whatever you consider virtue
Now post more Alizee
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>>35508085
What is wrong with narcissism?
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>tfw narcissist and machiavellian as fuck
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>>35508008
how old are you I'm 29 and I'm starting to feel the same way. Especially with the extrovert thing I've started caring less and less about socializing
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>>35508129
Around your age, a bit younger.
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>>35508156
Well 29 tomorrow I should say, not that long in the tooth yet. Do you live alone? I want to make the jump but my rent is going to jump to 1500 which is expensive for me.
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>>35506283
Who cares? Just be yourself. The reason you don't want to be a narcissist is because people don't like them. IF you still care then you're not a narcissistic enough to post of this board yet
plz lurk mor
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>>35508190
>Just be yourself


lmao okay thx /fit/ gonna make it now :D
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>>35508180
Yeah, ofc I live alone lol.

It's about a time to move out from your mom's basement, anon.
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>>35508093
Narcissists are cunts
>won't stop talking about themselves
>go out of their way to show off
>never develop beyond what they're narcissistic about
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>>35508225
Are narcissists necessarily like that though? I mean you can silently believe you are a supreme gentleman, right?
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>>35508063
>Even fucked model tier people and masturbation honestly feels better.
No fucking shit, you sound like someone who literally never connected with anyone on another level than physically. It's sad, really. You sound like someone with major trust issues, who has nevertheless rationalized all this.
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>>35508213
Lol fuck you and your 450sqft studio
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>>35508232
Sure, why not
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>>35508235
Well, true, I've never been in love. I have connected with people, I got close friends, even of opposite sex. We get along, we are similar, I don't think that they are unattractive - but there's no spark or anything, it's a pure siblinglike situation.

I've never been cheated on and my parents are pretty normal and they loved me, so there's really no big emotional trauma in my past. And I'm not saying that it would take some super extra special and unique person to make me interested, it's just that the only times when I've actually had crush on someone, it's been cause they didn't want me. And that made me hooked to them. But if the tables turned, I dropped my interests right away.

I just can't fix that. And like I said, it's not about rationalizing stuff, it's just that I don't crave for emotional or physical closure.
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>>35506283
I don't think it's fucked up, it's miles ahead of the codependent shit most of 4chan base their lives on. There are dudes here who legitimately think their only problem in life is that they don't have a gf or that they're a virgin, and if they just had a girlfriend, it would solve literally everything. I don't think they even think far enough ahead to wonder what their goals or dreams in life would be after they got a girl. Likewise, there are dudes here who threw away everything in their life after being dumped by a girl. Your family and friends should be an integral part of your life for sure, but if a woman is your entire fucking life, you are codependent and destined for misery. Your life should be about YOU first and foremost, and other people are just supplements.
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>>35508266
Dude that's exactly what rationalizing sounds like.

Have you ever been to a psychologist? Maybe you should. You might learn a thing or two about yourself in any case, it wouldn't hurt. There is ofc a chance that you are a borderline psychopath and these things mean nothing to you, but chances are that you're not. Anyhow, the thing you just described (always wanting that which you can't have, and dropping it instantly once you get it) isn't helping you as a person, it might be something you want to work on. Maybe you would, or could, become a better and happier person.
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>>35508063
>and how he goes running three times a week
>he

accident or gay/woman?
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>>35508314
No, I mean, I can't say that I was especially tough and stone cold person. I like animals, kids, I try to be helpful to others and I sometimes cry at silly movies and music.

I repeat my previous thesis, that most people need and want relationships cause they need the validation and proof that they are attractive and what not. Other than that, what would one actually gain from a relationship? For me personally there's nothing that I couldn't get from somewhere else, in a slightly different form.

>>35508339
I used "he" as a neutral way to express the situation of being on a date/meeting new people generally and the other person ranting about his/her life.
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>>35508396
>acceptance
>comfort (physical and emotional)
>support (e.g. encouraging you to achieve something great, pushing you to git gud)
>companionship
>belonging to someone

Just to name a few off the top of my head, pretty sure the list could go on. Also, the thing is that with a relationship, you get these all together. It's a whole package.
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>>35508472
>>acceptance
I fully get this and why it's important for people. I need that too, but having people miring me and most important, being happy with myself, fully satisfies me. When I was younger and more insecure, this was exactly why I dated people. I wanted to feel wanted and loved, until I discovered the skill of loving myself.
>>comfort (physical and emotional)
Yeah well, I don't really need this. My friends are there for me if I feel like opening up, physically and mentally.
>>support (e.g. encouraging you to achieve something great, pushing you to git gud)
This one comes down to my upbringing, but I was never raised to expect praise or guidance. I'm the oldest child so naturally as our family got bigger, I had to take more and more responsibility and I wasn't the baby anymore. My parents were never too much present or did they even really advice me. I learned to take care of myself and my needs from early on. I'm very independent by nature and I haven't really counted on anyone in my life. Not cause I didn't have anyone to lean on to, but cause I kinda never learned to see that as a coping mechanism. Every man's on her own and so on, I still embrace that mentality.
>>companionship
Again, not something I'd long for. I don't personally really understand what this means to people.
>>belonging to someone
When ever I've been dating, the other person's neediness has made me very anxious. It's like they were weak and that I had to look after not just myself, but them too. It's a major turn if she's really devoted and almost worships me.
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>>35506482
god damn you people, I am married. I can't keep beating the salami to female pop singers but she is just so... damn it!
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>>35506283
Stay humble, stay thankful.
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I don't know how, but I know for a fact that I'm not self-disciplined at all. I have absolutely no trouble dropping sugar, fast food, soda, alcohol, working out every day for an hour etc, but in other parts of my life, I can't do jack shit, as in I basically hang out on 4chan all day and do nothing. Academia is suffering incredibly at the moment and I'm really worrying about my future which causes symptoms of anxiety issues (trouble to breathe, every single day lately).

I honestly think fitness is not the best measure of discipline. In fact, it's fairly easy getting addicted to. It offers instant gratification, a nicer body and fairly universal recognition. It's hard to get used to, but once you are in it, it's easy as shit to continue, at least for me that's the case.
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>>35508558
>My friends are there for me
For now. Wait till they get married.
>Again, not something I'd long for.
You won't? Ever?
>the other person's neediness has made me very anxious
This i can relate to, lol. I see every bit of kindness, neediness, etc as a sing of weakness. Fuck, I especially despise it when I'm doing it, but then again I have issues.
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>>35508558
>Being that naive about friends
Just wait until they vaporize when something comes up they actually deem important. Friendship is a Disney value. Nobody seriously cares about loyalty. It's just something they like to post on Facebook about. In the end literally everything is more important to them than you.

Having an actual relationship with a person who loves you is on a wholly different level. You wouldn't know, because evidently you never experienced this, but it's true. Don't let the 4chan misogyny poison you.
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>>35508008
>>35508063
>>35508266
>>35508396
>>35508558
Over 11% (130/1176) of the words you used were "I", "me" or "my". That's fucking insane. Go talk about something other than yourself
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>>35508712
>>35508715
it's obviously a female. an ugly one trying to rationalize why she hasn't found and isn't pursuing love.
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>>35508642
> fitness
>instant gratification
what the fuck
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>>35508757
Don't you feel fucking great after any kind of workout?
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>>35508712
Well I've lived in 3 different countries during my adult life so I'm used to the fact that friends come and go and situations change. There are those friends who have always been there and probably will, but I don't lean on to them too much either. Things will change and they have changed due the changes in our life situation, but that's how it is.

>>35508715
Seriously dude? We are talking about personal experiences here, how can I discuss those without mentioning myself?

>>35508749
Many things but never has anyone considered me as a chick on this Bulgarian choirsinging forum. My original point just really was that once I've started achieving a lot of positive attention and miring, it gives me the attention that I need. And further on I cracked open those reasons and feels and explained myself a little bit. Original point is still valid though, get attention - get immune to it in a way and became pretty self-centered. Hard to argue whether it's a bad thing though. I'm selfish and mainly just think about myself, but it doesn't have a negative effect on other people and I'm not mean or nasty towards them or anything.

Just happy staring at my own reflection on the mirror desu. There's no higher satisfaction than that and liking what you see.
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>>35507945
>If you got tats, date a girl with tats. If you don't, date a girl who doesn't want them.

nearly all the girls ive dated and fucked have told me that looking at my tattoos while im fucking the shit out of them is hot as fuck. the vast majority of them have had no tattoos at all. im talking from models, to shy girls to doctors.
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>>35508804
Seek out a psyhologist, dude. Seriously
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>>35506283
It doesn't matter because people who don't go to the gym will just think you're a narcissist anyway. It really just matters if you keep going or not.
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>>35508314

>Have you ever been to a psychologist?

Yeah, talk to someone who wasn't intelligent enough to study something real. That'll surely help.
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>>35508821
"Hey, I'm happy with myself and a completely functioning individual with friends, pls help me doctor."

I don't think that I have any major issues. I'm not saying that I could, would or never will date again, I'm open for everything which makes me happy.

It's especially hard to imagine yourself dating anyone when there's absolutely no one interesting in your sight at the moment. Maybe I'd be taking differently if I'd actually know someone who had caught my eye, but the current situation is that there's no one potential.
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>>35508804
>>35508851
You seem somewhat excessively self-absorbed. Maybe it works for you, maybe not, maybe you wouldn't be able to see it anyway.
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>>35508864
Let me let you in on a small secret: When you're in a long term relationship, you're not (just) doing it for yourself. You're doing it for the other person. You sound selfish as fuck so you probably wouldn't understand
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>>35508908
>>35508880
You guys are idiots.
>>35508864
Pride is a virtue, not a vice. Live for yourself in a noble and noteworthy manner, having good friends, do not let yourself be parasitized.

This anon is a cuck. Do not listen to him.
>>35508908
When you're in a long-term relationship, it IS reciprocal. But you get INTO a long-term relationship in the first place, for you and you alone. To satisfy your own desires.

Ask someone who isn't married yet why they date or want to marry. What will they tell you?

"So I can be happy"
"So I can have kids"
"So I can [insert thing that benefits me or I think will make me happy or fulfill my values]

Its only once you're in the relationship that it turns into something two-way, and even then the entire two-way reciprocal relationship is something you want because you think its good for you. We have a word for people who let themselves be totally taken advantage of by partners they don't love and who don't want to carry their share of the weight.

Morons.
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>>35508935
You seem to have very limited capacities for empathy. I know people like you, they just don't get that there's something wrong with them. Most of them think "empathy" means "guessing what other people feel like", when it's really much more immediate and involuntary than that. What you do is basically an emulation of empathy.
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>>35508964

There is a high likelihood that this is projection.

(I am not the same anon who is blabbering on about not wanting a relationship or whatever)
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>>35508935
>Everyone else is an idiot, I'm the only sane person
You start sounding like a supreme gentleman

Remember, if you meet an asshole, you've met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day erryday, you're the asshole.
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>>35508880
Well I know that I got certain narcissistic traits in me. I'm charismatic, outgoing and social, but eventually people rarely end up genuinely liking me. I got grandiose dreams about my own achievements and success and I find it hard to become attached to anyone really. No one's grief, lost or sadness really bothers me unless it happens to me. I don't miss anyone, not even my family members even though there has never been any arguments between us.

I acknowledge all this, but what you gonna do about it? I don't think that any psychologist or therapist could change me, cause this is how my brains are wired and this is who I am.

I was once in a relationship with a person who is exactly like me. We didn't even love each others, but we were together cause of status reasons. We were both lying, manipulating and using each others and after the relationship we both played victims. Once it ended, even though I was the one leaving, the thing which made me sad and angry was the she never wanted me back even though I was sure that she would. At first I considered her evil, but then later I realized that everything she did to me, I did to her. The person I once hated, was actually the mirror image of myself. She was anything I hated, and I was just like her. It bothers me to think about it, cause during that relationship I never felt bad about my own lies and manipulation. I don't think that I even realized doing it. I even talked with her family and friends after the breakup and they were all on my side and talking how she's "off." Those people didn't know that I was actually just as bad as she was and I wasn't being honest to anyone.

That actually still makes me cringe a little.
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>>35508964
Its not a matter of empathy, its a matter of balancing the desire to help others, with what you actually want out of life.

Too many people let other people define their values or decide what they're going to do with their lives.

If you meet someone you truly love, then it is a noble thing to work for the relationship and make sacrifices for it. But to go into a relationship because you feel you have some moral obligation to find a stranger and make them happy is absurd.

>>35508989
No, everyone else thinks in a similiar fashion. People IN relationships make sacrifices for the relationship, but people get into relationships because they want to be happy or fulfilled.
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This entire thread is gold, that is the reason I come to /fit/
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>>35509022
>If you meet someone you truly love
Romantic love is a cultural phenomenon. "Love" as we feel it is a nature's way to make us reproduce. Love doesn't magically just happen nor it's something extraordinary, you basically "fall in love" with a person who's going to benefit you one way or another and who has certain traits. Put into a simple form, love is pretty simple. It's just that our culture has built this concept of love, some magical higher force connecting people in a whole other level, healing souls and making the sunshine.

Well it's bullshit. Simply putting your dick to a wet hole x failure and sharing rent x 6000.
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>>35509131
>fedora tipping
You will never find love with that attitude, and you clearly need it with all that cynicism.
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>>35509150
Feel free to correct my statement if there's something you don't agree with.

Sure love feels good, or I could imagine so, but doesn't it bother you if you think about it beyond just the feeling part?
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>>35509164
No because I'm not a massive faggot supreme gentlemen like you. You're as bad as tumblr fatties who place blame on society. Kill yourself lmao.
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>>35509164
>>35509131
Well yeah. Love means you like something which benefits you or has traits you admire. Where exactly is the problem in that?
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>>35509180
If you put it that way, it loses it's charm and you realize that maybe it's not worth all the fuzz around it.
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>>35509208
Says who? It is pleasant and enjoyable, why do you need mysticism for that?

I enjoy food for its taste, perfume for the smell, clothes for the feel, and people for the company.

The error is in thinking that it having value somehow means it has no value.
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>>35506283
Why not both?
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>>35509221
That's a good point.

Well I've never been in love, but I just don't see it as something that would really benefit me. I would like to feel it the way other seems to feel it, but cause I don't, I don't crave for something I haven't even tasted before.
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>>35509246
I'm not that interested in it either, but I can see the appeal.
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>>35509022
The way you talk about this topic just makes me more certain that you are in fact a sociopath. It just sounds like a blind talking about colour.

I don't even mean that degrading, I know people like you exist and I know you have your place in life. I agree that going to a psychologist/therapist will very likely only fuck you up. You shouldn't do stuff just because other people do it. If you don't feel it, you don't.
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>>35506907
what if i told you i railed her back in 08 lmao..
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>>35509258
Me too. I was talking from a personal point of view. And it's not like I was allergic or hated everything love related, I'm just a bit cold and distant which I guess makes me a bit immune to the kind of typical romantic love. Judging by the fact that I have never been in love in my entire life, even though I have dated several people which I found attractive, interesting and nice to be with but I just didn't feel anything special towards them.

>>35509266
You should notice that there are 2 or even 3 of us posting here.
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>>35509266
I am not a sociopath. I take severe offense at the notion I don't feel empathy, or pity, or affection, or any other emotion.

But I understand how relationships work, and why people go into them. People have this horrible habit, where they ignore their selfish desires and try and make it seem like everything they're doing is altruistic, even when its clearly not.

I'll give you an example. I saw a tweet the other day, of some girl saying that guys who say "They want a relationship" are selfish, because they want to USE a woman for their 'relationship', instead of admiring the person first as a person. That any woman they find is just a means for fulfilling the end of the relationship.

And I thought to myself, she's right, but that's not a problem. Being an abusive dickweed who doesn't work in a relationship is retarded but lets not pretend that the reason you got into the relationship in the first place was for company, kids, and fucking. And maybe another reason, depending on who you are, but I fucking guarantee you it wasn't "I want to find a complete stranger and make them happy because I'm that nice of a guy"
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>>35509301
>I am not a sociopath.
Maybe not the worst case, but you clearly are. It's not all other people just pretending, it's you who's missing some things. You can't get around it by abstractly understanding the involved concepts. You can read all kinds of twitters, observe and examine, you won't get it completely if you don't feel it.

Good luck, anyway.
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>>35509376

Does 'sociopath'-guy need to feel it, or do you need to observe and examine more?
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bumb
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What is wrong with being pycho/sociopathic though? They can focus on themselves and their goals instead
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>>35506283
What's so bad about not lifting and living for women?
Now if you'll ever find one that brings joy into your life, you'll think about dating her, instead of just chasing skirts like most guys.

You're sane, man, it's the rest of humanity that has gone nuts.
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>>35510503
I agree. But how do you explain people like anon being a minority?
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>>35510519
Because being responsible for your own happiness takes effort, goes against some currents of modern thought, and as a society we're bad at dealing with co-dependent behaviours.
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>>35509269
I would ask for story pls
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>>35506283
Perfect attitude ! Read the book of pook.
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>>35506283
AHHHHHHHH MY DDDD
ALIZEE
good thread op
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>>35506283
looks kinda like Asia Argento.
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>>35506283
Do an ego check. What's the point of your goal? If it's not for your own sake or passion I'd say drop it and start over.
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>>35512473

I want to start my own country

not even kidding
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>>35506825
Nifty answer anon
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I know that feel op.

I just got done having a bunch of people who I talk game with completely come at my neck and out my narcissism, same night I text one of my ex girlfriends and she says us dating was a mistake and said I could have never gave her what she wanted and that she didn't know if she was wanted half the time we were dating (that hurts man).

My first response to my friends was to absolutely blow off the people talking shit to me and "put them in their place", because I'm in a position to and they're pretty weak.

If I wanted to create a self-serving biased arguement for my ex girlfriend, I could tell myself that that's because I was really busy pimping at the time and I wasn't exclusive at the time so that's to be expected that she feels that way, it's not a surprise and I could tell that she was projecting her own superiority and had a chip on her shoulder about feeling like she bested me so that she could go on with her life and repair her mended ego.

You know though, that's exactly the patterns of a complete narcissist and that's not where I'm trying to go with my life. I want to improve and be a major source of value for a lot of people in my life man. I want to get to a point where I'm so fulfilled with my life that I don't feel the need to project my inflated ego on other people.

I don't know man, because half of me feels like that's subconscious weakness and I just need to harden the fuck up and become the image of my narcissistic self. The other half of me thinks what I'm doing is very immature, and that I should move away from self improvement for a while and just do things out of love and passion for them.

Ye dawg so what I'm really tryna say is nobody fucking knows dude. Just don't lose sight that you're an insignificant spec of dust on this planet, and at the end of the day all that matters if that you're having a good life and improving the lives of the people around you.

We'll see where I end up.
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You know, there's this old saying

>he who seeks his own life loses it, he who gives it finds it again

Have fun in life you self-absorbed faggots, cuz when it's over there's an eternity of pain and suffering in store for you

Inb4 atheist cucks invade
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>>35506283
> I'm really self-disciplined, hard-working, virtuous, focused and dedicated
> or just becoming a narcissist
Simple: narcissism is then you "catched" by your own image of your "Ego" and always want to make sure that you = image of this Ego. You can make it by selfie, by disturbing other people and etc.. Your "Ego" is not you, but your wishes are.
So, then you said, that you have goal, I think you are not narcissist at all.
- russian psychoanalyst, working in Freud-Lacan paradigm.
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>>35512992
As said I like helping other and being nice to people. Basic stuff that I do cause I was raised to do so and it feels natural. I'm selfish and I often think that I'm pretty superior, but it doesn't show. It doesn't mean that I bully others or that I'd treat them bad.

I'm probably nicer person than most of you fags living your life licking your gf's ass and being cunts otherwise. So I got no issues with my conscience.
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>>35513013
do you think that narcissism can be learned/unlearned?

Your definition is still very ambiguous for me personally.

I think a lot of what I do is living up to an ego and a vision that I have built up and spend my every waking moment to fulfill.

But I think also I'm very self aware, I don't take myself or this vision so seriously that it detracts from my likableness and ability to relate with other people, more it's just the general state of consciousness I find myself in.

Sometimes I couldn't even muster up the care to disagree with you about even things i'm very passionate about and insult my every value and principal

Sometimes I can rationalize physically destroying someone or something for even the slightest insult or insecurity-causing idea or bring violent opposition to an idea that doesn't support me in my path to fulfilling my ego.

Am I a shitty narcissist or am I a mentally healthy person that's learned narcissism because it helps me fulfill my goals?

How do I know which?

What can I even do going forward for both scenarios?
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>>35512663

Holy shit hhhnnnngggg
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>>35513262

Also I want to add.

I'm pretty happy with myself, my life, and where I'm going with it. I don't really care to identify as either a narcissist or a mentally healthy person, I'm open minded to the possibility I am either. I believe that the personality that I am now is every single bit overzealous and self-serving as it needed to be to make it through some difficult times.

However the problem lies in that I am very self-oriented. I communicate with people in an extremely self-serving way. Most of my mating strategies are based on projecting myself as superior in subtle ways.

Honestly I just kind of think I've outgrown narcissism. I don't want to be so obnoxiously self-centered. I want to be a major source of happiness and value for people around me.

I get genuinely tired of the same day-in day out self-obsession that I have. It's obnoxious. I almost feel like it's just a mental addiction I have that I haven't broken away from, much like some people suffer from negativity and unhappiness addiction and don't have conscious ability to control it.

Really I just honestly need to know which path is better for me to take in terms of coming to a place where I can provide for other people.

Should I break away from self-awareness, self-consciousness, and anything self serving for a strong length of time, and unlearn these ways?

Or should I go deeper, and continue to achieve more, and work towards becoming so unapologetically fulfilled with myself and complete that I don't need to worry about myself any more. I can focus fully on other people because my every need and want is fulfilled. I can look on my life with pride and smile and see the fruits of my labor benefit the people around me?

Obviously this is a huge decision and can't be made lightly. There isn't any turning back once you commit to either one because at that point it becomes insanity.
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>>35506283

>alizee thread

god is real
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>>35506283
Parentheses are what I do, obviously you can replace them
>get tested by objective and quantifiable criteria (weight on the bar, calories eaten, hours wasted)
>get tested by authorities (publish / fail to publish academically)
>compete at stuff you are worst at (I used to be fat all my life, so I started going to the gym. I was the most unfit guy in the gym for a long time. Once I hit 1/2/3/4 for reps, I will start learning to sing. Needless to say, I have a terrible voice)
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OK I'm gonna say it: Her forehead is fucking huge.

That and her fucking tattoos. It's like dead pixels on your brand new 4k supersized monitor.
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>>35515548

>her forehead is huge
>implying that's a bad thing

more surface area to kiss
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>>35515038
reminds me of Quiet from MGS5
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>>35515627
Is that her now at 31? God she's such a fucking qt3.14 HNNNGGHHH
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>>35515700

I think these pics were a year or two ago but still, maximum fucking qt
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>>35515038
she's 16 here, even hotter
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>>35507681
Some women just don't wanna be 10s
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>>35515875

>Those thighs will never be wrapped around my head
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>>35508908
you are a fucking retard
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>>35506482
wow
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>>35506719
My fucking dick. 13/10 body and hot as fuck face.
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>>35506283
You have achieved enlightenment, friendo.
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>>35517545
GODDAMN

literally the most attractive woman I have ever seen
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>implying narcissism isn't the greatest thing ever

If you're better than others, then you're better than others, they'll have to just suck it up
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>>35507681
this
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>>35506482
Jesus Christ does French sound retarded.
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>>35506825
"Don't get sucked into the self improvement trap. Simplying becoming better to level up or be better than others in toxic. You will never be satisfied. You will always hate what you are and what you are not."

This x1000
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>>35506584
>tfw i made the first alizee thread here
>tfw /fit/ agrees that she's hot as fuck
>the one board obessed with body image
I guess i have excellent taste
>>35506482
That's even the gif i used
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>>35508851
>judging peoples' intelligence by what they study.

Trust, me there are retarded femanazi's studying why the sonata form is patriarchical (not kidding) who are smarter than theoretical physicists and mathematicians I know. Different people get pleasure out of studying different subjects academically. Some have a lower intelligence requirement than others, some require a lot more hard work than others, but you can find geniuses in all of them.
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>>35519802
Btw, I say this because I used to think the same thing until I found an analyst who I respect intellectually. I was very arrogant because I work as a professional theoretical physicist and looked down on "soft" sciences, but I now think that my analyst is wayyy smarter than I am in a lot of ways. Same goes for a lot of people I've met in english departments, philosophy departments, etc.
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>>35507465
because every single trainer at any gym is retarded an women are retarded too.
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>>35508935
You seem like a huge piece of shit and I feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune of knowing you.
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>>35508851
how about a psychiatrist?

in aus they needed to have studied medicine compared to a psychologist, hence why they can prescribe drugs. cost more though
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>>35508642
this is me. I'm a grad student in Uni simply because I didn't want to grow up and get a real job. and yet I spend most of my day avoiding going in to my research, on 4chan, etc. it hasn't really hurt my gpa, but i have definitely squandered career chances (better research positions, networking, etc) with my indifference...the only thing i'm looking forward to tomorrow is coffee and working out
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>>35515700
>>35515755

Yeah, no tattoos yet in these pics.
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Dawg, I used to be exactly like you. You use some of the exact phrases I would use to describe my situation: I just don't feel it, I'm just a cold and rational person, I just can't understand why people need these things...

I get where your coming from.

And truth is, there are a lot of great qualities in a narcicist, but the trick if fully accepting those qualities in yourself, and allowing yourself to integrate them into a life lived with people.

What it really boils down to is fear. You fear that when someone seems to like you, its just a matter of time before they "discover the truth" of you and lose those feelings. You fear relationships will take time away from yourself..

You say you haven't desired a romantic relationship in years, and that's OK, but I hope you are enjoying connectedness with someone and are able to enjoy just spending time with them just to spend time with them. That's healthy, and is proven to be important.

Above all, just do what will make you happy. Be your own man, and make things happen in ur life.Maybe your unhappy with how you talk to strangers. Put in some work and figure out how to make there.

Keep moving toward the man your proud to be.... My 2 cents
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>>35519798

>implying I wasn't making alizee threads here six years ago

Step up kid
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>>35519802
>but you can find geniuses in all of them
i love you bro
>watch as it's lost in the internet's storm of judgmentalism
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>>35506825
>self improvement trap

You need to improve yourself first before you can help improve others. There is nothing wrong with looking out for yourself first before anyone else. Nobody else will care for you as much as you.
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>tfw you will never come home to this
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>tfw this balding, 5'4 manlet is banging alizee
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>>35520973
bruh that video gets me every fucking time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSxEjwXHcM
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>>35506482
>not Moi Lolita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en-GB&v=zfXBNQMj2SE&gl=SG

Closest I ever came to being a pedo
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>>35521261
>that outfit

ooh bby
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>>35513262
>Sometimes I can rationalize physically destroying someone or something for even the slightest insult or insecurity-causing idea or bring violent opposition to an idea that doesn't support me in my path to fulfilling my ego.
Perfectly healthy narcissistic rage bro. Everyone who opposes you deserves to crumble
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>>35521006

She's divorced, has a kid to another man, is covered with tattoos and is 31 years old

Former hotness or not she's not exactly a prize anymore
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>>35521373

>"former" hotness

heres where you fucked up
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>>35521373

>Looks like this
>Not a prize
>ISHYGDDT

That thigh gap hhhhnnnngggg.
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>>35521373
>>35521899

forgot pic
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>>35521437

Let's be honest here.

She's hot but her tattoos are shit, and she's looking at a quick decline over the next 5 years.
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>>35512866
it's a good struggle... relationships are a huge part of the human experience, and when part of you is saying that it's all fucked up, you'd better listen to it. Not listening to it is betraying yourself.

>>35513556
>this is a huge decision
nah bro it's not a decision at all. Who says you can't have fulfilling relationships while also working towards a better self? Inefficient - maybe. Inconsistent - probably. But if this is your most inconsistent point in life, then you're doing fucking great!
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>>35511946
lmao at file name.
She's the perfect combination of hot, sexy, cute, pretty. What a woman.
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>>35506482
>>35506682
>>35506719

>super hot 10 years ago
>still super hot today

how is this even possible
literally perfection
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>>35506825
>>35519773
weaklings
striving for improvement is the driving force behind everything meaningful
if you denounce it you might as well kill yourself right now (or waste away like the NEETs you probably are)
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>>35506283
if your dreams depend entirely on picking things up and putting them down just so you can look a certain way in the mirror then you probably need to reconsider your worldview.
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>>35506825
>The most important thing is to make sure you're focused on personal satisfaction

are you fucking serious?
that's probably the most cancerous attitude imaginable and the worst advice you could ever give
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>>35522157

2 damn qt
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>>35506283

>error 404 tits not found
>error 404 ass not found

low test manlets plz go
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