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/OWG/ - A thread for the discussion of weightlifting and all things related. Keep the insults and shitposting to a minimum.

>Tipping Edition

>If you are new to weightlifting please read these first and check the other sources they link to before asking questions:
http://pastebin.com/1HgVcGam
http://pastebin.com/wCXeXfkk
http://www.chinfl.blogspotco.uk/2013/07/how-into-weightlifting.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/wiki/faq
http://www.iwf.net/doc/technical.pdf
http://yashathoughts.com/

>The information that you are looking for is probably in the above links.
That includes routines, shoes, information on the lifts, etc. Check out the pastebins for literature or the reddit faq for general information.

Included in this youtube playlist are videos related to weightlifting which you may find useful or insightful:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl3WCm2GfvLxvH877oJ1xEA/playlists


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what accessory lifts do you guys do besides the regulars?
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>>35476637
Lowbar squats
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>>35476637
You mean except squats, the press and pulls
curls
tricep extensions
all kinds of bodyweight stuff(pull ups, puah ups, dips)
rows are very important
bench press
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>>35476637
more rare lus
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>>35476818

I'll trade you a couple rare liaos for a couple rare lus. Maybe some rare Tians.
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>>35476637
core routine is based on classics, squats and pulls.
sometimes i do deficit deadlifts, something with a flexed spine for dem erector gainz, bench press, dips, pull ups, pendaly rows, ohp, lar raises and facepulls.
once in a while i do some curls just to bro out a little bit
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Does anybody in here even lift? All stats posted in the previous thread were pathetic.
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>>35477103

Isn't bench press negative for weightlifting. I read somewhere Chinese only do weighted push ups and sometimes dips for chest/triceps because bench press damages the shoulders and icnreases risk of injury
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>>35477138
i do close grip wich is really really easy in the shoulder. i wouldnt go super wide powerlifting style either.
a close grip bench si actually less prone to injury on the shoulder than dips actually, it just tends tu tighten you up a little bit so you need to stretch more
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>>35477118
It's the c uckolds at reddit that bring the average down.

Also take /owg/ to 8ch you morons.
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>>35476393

Why not do psuedo planche pushups instead?
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>>35477118
these threads are mostly people who kinda do WLing, ie do powercleans sometimes and have snatched once before, then a couple who actually lift/have competed
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I trin for powerlifting but I train in an oly gym, and a few weightlifters told me they hardly row?
I row 3-4 times a week.
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>>35476393

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCYybClJ5Zk

Why declinesitups are goat
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how underground is this sport in your country anons?
here in italy no one knows wling even exist, it's sad
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>>35477215

But 8 chan is for literal cucks???
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>>35477270
Probably not worth the potential elbow/wrist strain.
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>>35477331

Thats why you do them under griped, and increase the load by leaning more forward on a measuring stick, and have a partner let you know when to stop.
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>>35477378
under grip increases strain on elbows
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>>35477415

Thats why you progress slowly.?
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Just found out my globo gym has bumper plates. Would it be ok to come in when it's not busy to do some oly lifting?
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>>35477630

ask the people that work there?
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Is there a way i can make webms from youtube or ig, without ripping them off?
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>>35477724
no
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>>35477469
The weightlifter aren't interested in that chief. That's the point. They aren't gymnasts.
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>>35476939
this is liao hui tho
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>>35478085
oh nvm i misread
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>>35478133
its weird nobody remembers asen eventhough he was a olympic gold medalist
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>>35478086

Could i get a webm toutorial?
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>>35478187
i think tian is a virgin
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>>35478187
Many of the 80s lifters are not remembered.

>>35478188
Use youtube-dl and ffmpeg.

Run ffmpeg with

ffmpeg -threads 0 -i mattie.mp4 -c:v libvpx -b:v 400K -vf scale=-1:-1 -an mattie.webm

Use -ss and -to if you need to cut a segment out of a video. For quality, play with -b:v and maybe use -crf. There's more to quality control than that but just go to the ffmpeg wiki.
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Boys

I got a lead on a secretive weightlifting club in my area. The gyms here are all carpet and chrome, plus the YMCA (which is also shit)...Not a bumper plate to be found.

I saw this 60 year old guy front squatting 275lbs at the YMCA. He wore adipowers just like mine. I struck up a conversation and turns out there is a sort of weightlifting club his friend runs nearby. It's only known through word of mouth, no website, no adverts, so you have to know someone to get in... He gave me his number, so I'm gonna call tomorrow and try and set this thing up. It's a Christmas miracle !

Just thought I'd blogpost because I'm amped to start weightlifting with weightlifters.
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>>35478528
nice, good luck man
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>>35476393
why would you be training your pecs as a weight-lifter. KEK

What is this stupid fucking kike doing. He must be shit at weight-lifting if he's training his pecs!
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>>35478585
I know you're just playing around, but in case anyone is wondering, pec training can help stabilize the shoulder joint if you're having issues. In this case, the lifter (ehab?) looks like he's really just doing it for his pressing muscles in general, not particularly focused on pecs or any other singular muscle.
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Hey guise, i realized my cardiovascular condition and breathing is awfully shit, so i decided to try swimming on my off days from gym, on a more HIIT style, do you think it will affect my recovery to the gym to much?
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>>35478639
having a go at all the people shitposting about benching the other day saying it was useless and you don't need it. Yes weighted pushups are different, but why neglect a muscle group when it's easy to throw something like that or bench in is beyond me
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>>35478525

ty bby, but im still confused, and feel like a fuckingg imbecile.
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>>35477866
>>35478573

butt
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>>35478672
On the flip side of that it's all gray areas. I know I need a bit more pec work to balance out my shoulder, and I know PLENTY of guys that need no pec work whatsoever and have never even considered it. For tons of guys it's totally inconsequential. They'll bench because it makes their lockout stronger and think nothing more of it. Other guys will never bench because their pecs get so tight that it fucks up their overhead position a best and results in rotator cuff damage at worst. Just gotta be mindful of yourself you know
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>>35478103

:^(

He looked so confident hopping onto the stage, too.
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>>35478822
No one will ever jerk over 600lb in competition. That's the limit man. The ceiling. You should have known he wasn't going to make it when you saw "272.5"
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>>35478665

Lap swimming is a hell of a lot more difficult then most people realize. You very will may find yourself burning out.

Just throw some kettlebell work supersetted with abs or gigj rep dumbbell onto the end of your workouts. Go jogging on your off days, or in the mornings before your session.
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>>35478863
I tell you what though. Here's my prediction. Ilya jerks 250 at rio 2016, a full 17kg more than he did in 2012 in a lighter weight class. THEN maybe 262 in 2019 president's cup or worlds, THEN 273 in tokyo 2020.

After jerking 275 weighing in at 135kg, he will stabilize it, be given the down signal, then suffer a massive aneurysm and die, draped over the 5 reds with a thumbs up showing, and giving one last shoutout to LG
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>>35478877
It may sound strange, but i have a good pool and my father stuff to go swimming, but not a good pair of shoes for jogging, am im going to be easily burned out? I tried today, and i felt much more tired because of my breathing and heart than with my muscles, i guess, tomorrow i will see if this fucks me up at the gym.
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>>35478961
But maybe i should delay my cutting a little, i am weighting 97kgs and wanted to go to at least 90kgs before seriously bulking, since i want to stay at the 94kgs class, but i mind become to easily fatigated if i try to go on a cut while getting used to it.
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Does anyone knows any guide for self massage to help recovery?
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>>35479043
Press on the parts that hurt until they hurt a bit less
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>>35479043
Massage the muscles, not the tendons. And get someone to do it for you, there are a lot of moves you can't do yourself, and you can't massage your back by yourself.
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>>35479120
how do you determine when it ceases to be a muscle and becomes a tendon
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>>35478355

thoughts?
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>>35478187

>you will never massage Tian's powerful tree trunk legs
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>>35478598

Liao hui has been on one serious cycle.
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>>35478086
Jesus, so slim compared to the beast he is today.
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>>35479404

ilya ilyin ran klokov out of the business
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fug

https://www.instagram.com/p/BAGTtVlpUTC/
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>>35478908
Magnificent, only problem is you think ilya will only weigh in at 135

He's going for 160+ cuddly beach ball mode
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>>35479443

what kind of faggot throws weights around like that? he deserved to get shit on
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>>35478086

Sketchy as fuck the way he dropped with the bar.
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>>35479552

posting ilya makes me cry. clearly the greatest weightlifter of all time.

hes just too good to like.
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>>35479810

Something I notice with Vardanian is his overhead position is relatively far forward compared to most lifters, and seems very 'arm dominant'. Is this an illusion caused by his anatomy? If not, is it particular to him, or are there other lifters that don't exhibit a 'standard' lockout?

>>35479443
Holy shit, is this real?
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>>35479903

thats precisely why he missed the lift...
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>>35479120

why not the tendons?
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>>35480121

He does it on all his lifts.
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>>35480356
No he doesnt.
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>>35477277
Lel I have copeted twice even if I just started Oly lifting in September... 85-115 in the -85kg weight class so I think you can say I don't even lift (I have a 165 kg back squat so my technique is absolutely shit)
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>>35482400
>85-115 in the -85kg
Why compete? Why not wait until you're near good numbers?
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>>35482487
because comp experience is important
if everyone waited until they were doing "good numbers" no-one would compete except the top .5%
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>>35482507
>except the top .5%
No, good numbers usually means enough to qualify for national comps. And comp experience means fuck all if you're weak as shit.
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>>35482487
Because my coach told me competition experience was important like >>35482507
said
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>>35482530
no it doesn't
the difference in the atmosphere between a comp and a training session are huge
someone who has done a comp with 20+ people watching them is more likely to hit the same weight as someone who has never competed before and the whole thing is new to them
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>>35482558
Once your numbers are good enough to qualify for nationals, start competing. Stop wasting time with your "everyone's a winner" bullshit.

>hehe I won gold weighing 200lbs and snatching less than bodyweight, I have comp experience
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>>35482573
its nothing to do with everyones a winner
its about experience
you don't lose anything from it, and you learn what its like to lift under actual pressure and what its like when you have a huge group of people watching you
if you think there is no difference between a training session and a comp you're either superman or retarded
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>>35482591
>if you think there is no difference between a training session and a comp
When has this been said? Never.

Obviously if your numbers are good enough to lift for nationals, youre going to probably do less in a comp. But the point is, you're not far off from whatever your high level goal is.

Your dyel ass wants to delay training to go play at the fucking kidding pool for cool points.
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>>35482610
>there is a difference
>but instead of doing some mess around comps when you're first learning you should instead wait until you're good enough to nationals, and then embarrass yourself the first few times by bombing because turns out there's a fucking huge difference between doing a couple reps in the gym with your coach and having 20+ people at minimum staring solely on you, where you have to get it right with no mistakes otherwise you'll get redlighted
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>>35482646
>until you're good enough to nationals
Just because you have training numbers good enough to get into nats, doesnt mean youre god enough to get into nats. Cognitive dissonance? You just said this yourself a few posts ago.
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>>35476641
He's so little and cute
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>>35482646
>and then embarrass yourself the first few times by bombing
This is going to happen regardless of your numbers going in.

>turns out there's a fucking huge difference between doing a couple reps in the gym with your coach
Of course, you say this like its some unknown truth.

Doesnt change the fact you're wasting money and time doing comps when youre dyel as fuck.
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>>35482662
i never once said that just because you can lift the qualifing numbers you will go to nationals

thats not what we are even talking about

>>35482702
so you'd rather bomb at nationals as opposed to bombing at a local meet? and then you say local comps are a waste of money

>wasting time
you need to have breaks anyway and if you learn from it it's hardly wasted time
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>>35482713
>so you'd rather bomb at nationals as opposed to bombing at a local meet?
You're a retard dude. I'm going to type this again, please read it. dont skim, read it.

Once you're training numbers are good enough to qualify for nationals, start competing.

This doesnt mean your first comp will be at fucking nationals.
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>>35482713
Can we please not feed the trolls?
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>>35482713
>i never once said that just because you can lift the qualifing numbers you will go to nationals

same post, says

>so you'd rather bomb at nationals
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/sports/ex-olympic-champion-sa-jae-hyouk-gets-10-year-ban-in-south-korea/articleshow/50438555.cms

>South Korea's weightlifting authorities on Monday suspended an Olympic gold medalist for 10 years for allegedly beating up a junior weightlifter, officials said.
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>>35480354
because tendons aren't muscles
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>>35482884
kek
Crazy koreans
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>>35479903
I think back in the 80's a lot of the top lifters had probably done a lot of pressing early in their career as the press was being phased out. A lot of the lifters from back then didn't really get their head through anywhere close to lifters now days.

Look at pics of pisarenko.
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>>35482884
alppha
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>>35478598
Liao looking as joocy as that famous hongli pic
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>>35482702
It took me 2 afternoons in 5 months and costed me 0€ because I'm in a club. I did awful numbers but I'm happy I did it
Pic is my first bar ever in comp : not even bw snatch but a good experience
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>>35483102
You're one fuckin good looking fella
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>>35483102
Yeah now you can call yourself a real weightlifter when people ask!
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>>35483153
Thanks but I'll wait to have some decent numbers et above all technique... The only lift that are not so lame are my squat and my ohp
>>35483144
Th-thanks, y-you too
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>>35483102
What is shoulder mobility
I bet you bench and curl to much brah

Also,

LONDON
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>>35483102
>85 kilos weightclass
>Jacked
Hello mr. Manlet
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>>35479469
Did you see the way he bailed his squat at that powerlifting meet? Pretty disgusting ttbh could've seriously hurt a spotter
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>>35483172
Yes it is one of my main problems... I can't press tha bar with a snatch grip when I'm in a deep squat position... I work hard to correct it... 2 years of powerlifting and messing around doing curls and bench are the reason of this..
Not London, Paris

>>35483177
I'm 1m81 82 kilos, I don't have any calves so it might be why I look like I weight more (even if you are the first one to say so)
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>>35483102
I think you should change your trip to MrCharming <3
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>>35483201
More like mister semi-grin punchable faggot face.
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>>35483201
Why is /fit/ so kind today, th-thanks
>>35483239
C'mon this pic is like 3 yo man. What scares me is that you have a pic of my face named MrFaggot on your computer. What did I do to you ?
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>>35483239
someone sounds a little jelly
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>>35483239
Want PB with this Jelly ? Even with a douche snapback the guy is a 9/10 and is Jacked. I bet your gf paid him to fuck her
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>>35482898
Yes those guys had close to 0 shoulder mobility, the lock out position was almost every time awful

>>35483250
Pls post a current pic of your face
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>>35482884
this is currently the talk of the town right here in knsu. i actually talked to hwang and trained with him two weeks ago
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>>35483543
You have more infos about what happened ?
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>>35483558
something about slapping cheeks sometime ago in the past.
another 85kg nat lifter who i met today has a vid of Sa beating up woo man on his phone.

i heard one of the coach and the nat lifter and couple others talked while i was packing up so i didnt know if it was just a rumor or not
its a shame because hwang is the same ages as me and injured his back so he trained along with me most of the time

pic related hwang 2 weeks ago
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>>35483582
Thanks for sharing this man

You are lucky to train in such an environment !
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>>35478751
https://gitgud.io/nixx/WebMConverter
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>>35483595
its kinda weird hwang would get beat up tho. hes like a hulk weighing 105kg+ and a lot taller than sa. so im guessing he didnt defend himself from him
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>>35483609
Yeah it's what I thought too...
A black guy in my gym (snatched 165 in the -105 weight class) is a bouncer and I saw him kick out 3 jacked dudes by grabbing them and throwing them at the door like is they weighted 60 kg
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>>35483629
according to this article
http://www.kado.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=763115

at the end of the year party on 12/21 Sa, Hwang, and 4 other weightlifters were there. Sa said "I've been good to you why are you spreading lies about me?" After 30 minutes, Sa beat Hwang. The others separated them but Sa returned to the bar beating him more saying "You need to be beaten more so come out".
Hwang escaped to his grandmothers house and the family called the police.

According to Hwang, Sa slapped him in the face with a slipper for not having good manners 1-2 months ago.
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>>35483677
http://reviewstar.heraldcorp.com/Article/ArticleView.php?WEB_GSNO=10325679

all the guys in the pictures in the article came into the gym today.
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>>35483677
Kek, like it's told Hwang sounds like a big teddy bear that isn't aware that he could break Hwang in two if he wanted to
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most of the korean article states that
1. Sa was really drunk
2. Sa beat hwang because of a rumor
3. Hwang says that he didnt make any rumors but blames him for it

Sa eventually said he was sorry to Hwang and his family

Hwang is currently in hospital because of his left broken cheek bone

>>35483737
i dont think he deserved any of this and now i have zero respect for Sa
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>>35483762
Shame, he will not be able to train for some time... This story makes Sa looks like a bully from middle school
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>>35483677
>Sa slapped him in the face with a slipper
i'd pay to see that
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>>35482573
>Everyone's a winner
You're an idiot. It's about getting competition jitters out early instead of waiting a year and then suddenly doing it in front of a crowd and having the competition setting. Sure as hell won't win anything.
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>>35477138
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>>35477724
Imgur's 'video to gif' option should work, but I use 4k Video Downloader to grab Youtube vids, then ffmpeg to make the webm. Kind of a hassle.
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>>35478908
>Life's... good....
*dies*
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>>35479443
That's why you only squat with Chinese squat blocks so you can rerack as aggressively as you like
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>>35482884
RIP Sa. He was always RIP since London, but at least he showed up and lifted mediocrely a couple of times since then.
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>>35482312
>>35478118

Yes, he fucking does.
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>>35483762
Has Sa got all depressed and alcoholic and fighty since his 2012 injury and subsequent failures?

He should go hang out with Aramnau

And man, I wouldn't want to get punched in the face by a man who CJd 212 at 77. That power + fight adrenaline would be insane.
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>>35484878
it wouldn't be anymore painful than your gym goer
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>>35476722
>>35476641
G Y N O
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>>35477315
the netherlands here. when i say i do weightlifting everybody just thinks i go to the gym...
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>>35484930
Say that to his face fucker not online see what happens
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>>35484878

>wl skill translating to pinch power

it's like saying big benchers are big punchers
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>>35485023

Punch obvs, i bet most top level lifters have hands like mole grips and could pinch your dick off.
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>>35484997
Yeah, you guys only have like one half decent weightlifter, and he's Armenian anyway

>tfw ausfag and all our old good weightlifters were armenians too
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>>35479229
welcome to /owg/
gymnastics is that way --->
pls go
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>>35476393
So. I'd like to watch some lifting like this in competitions, but i dont know where to begin or whats a good starting point to learn.

Really wanna follow this shit during the Olympics this year.

pls halp
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>>35485023
The power he could put into a punch would be massively higher than some fag who does a few curls occasionally. Obviously he doesn't have the punching skill to make full use of it, but comparing two talentless angry drunks, the guy that cleans 213 is going to hit a hell of a lot harder
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>>35485065

What, just like the guy who deadlifts 220 can snatch more than the guy who deads 200?

Punch force has very little to do with strength, a small bit to do with mass and nearly everything to do with technique.

Flyweight boxers probably hit harder than heavyweight weightlifters.
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>>35485033
i know right, and i believe he's the first dutch guy qualifying for european championship in like 30 years... i hope oly will get more popular here with all this crossfit shit and all
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>>35485061
There should be good coverage of the Olympics, but it's in Brazil vs L O N D O N, so who knows if it will be as reliable.

You can just start by watching any old competitions on youtube. It might be tough to stay interested in a random 2 hour video if you're not sure of all the rules and what's going on. There are some great highlight videos, like this battle with Sulemanoglu vs Leonidis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk_kKbvx-A

Live competitions are going to be more engaging than random old ones.

You can look at the calendar on the IWF site. Next competition is the Arnold in USA, which will be American lifters + whatever invited international lifters show up. The Arnold was historically a great way to get a closer look at big international lifters, but now that we have good coverage from Hookgrip and whatnot, it's not really a thing anymore.

There's a test event for Rio in April, not sure how significant that will be. And the Euro champs and the Asian champs which should be good because they'll be trying to qualify for Rio. Then there's the African champs in Cameroon, lol. I wonder if they could rig up a ghetto stream, that would be cool to watch.

The Pan-Ams in June will have USA, Canada, and all the actually decent South American countries, like Colombia. Then Junior Worlds which is always good because you get the teenage freaks coming up, and the 19-20 year olds at the top of the Junior category taking their last chance to set Junior World Records.

Then there's Rio which shud b gud, apart from a lot of big stars already being banned for drugs this year. Hope everyone else doesn't all pussy out in the lead up to Rio because of that.
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>>35485102

Punches are sharp, explosive movements when performed correctly, and the majority of the force behind a properly executed punch comes from the (wait for it) the HIPS, the one area of a weightlifter's body that is arguably 'over-developed'. A weightlifter also has the proprioceptive knowledge to effectively transfer power generated by the hips to an object held at the end of the arms.
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>>35485153
Thanks for the insight breh.
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>>35485169

By that logic Salsa dancers would make great fucking weightlifters and fighters because everything they do originates at the hips.
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Is Klokov a meme coach?

I watched some seminars of his and he goes on and on about pulling with your elbows "forward" and not leaning back in the second pull.

Then when you watch any of his lifts in slow-mo his elbows are only directly over the bar for a tiny fraction of the lift, and otherwise he is "pulling to his chest", similarily his fully extended position is almost always leant back further than he himself teaches.

For examples : here he is coaching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGj5mXCpy6w

and here he is actually doing the snatch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtUq_1cOSs

I'm trying to bash Klokov, I am just wondering whether his coaching translates to what he does himself, or is this a case of the "correct" technique not necessarily being the best for an individual lifter.
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To the guy who told me to read Darius klokovs book training of a champion, can you give me a link? I Googled and couldn't find it.
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>>35485564
they are feelings/cues, like every weightlifter practices elbows to sky in snatch but you don't see it in the actual lift
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>>35485670
I think the chinese advocate elbows back as in the panda pull, and have a look at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fApr_L5gqs
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>>35485747
i wasn't being literal, regardless the pull is only slightly different between any pro lifter regardless of that distinction in training (chinese/russian etc)

my point was more that feelings and cues are often exaggerations to produce a movement and won't be seen during actual lifts, like with klokov per say.
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>>35485747
Whew lads, dat booty.
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>>35485325

No, not by 'that logic'. Salsa dancers don't shift hundreds of pounds of weight very very fast with their hips. Mutatis mutandis, they are very weak relative to weightlifters. Weightlifters and fighters both train for explosivity. Fighters will be more effective at punching because they specialize in that movement, but weightlifters will be more effective punchers than those untrained in explosive movements.
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>>35485801
That sounds logical, I think there is just a miscommunication because in the videos he is being very absolute in his teaching.
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Is speed under the bar something that can be practiced? If yes, how.
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>>35485852
It is just technique. Drill the same movement over and over again and you will find your "speed". I wouldn't go chasing speed though. To win a competition you do not need to lift the most in the world, you just need to lift more than your weight class at the competition.

The same goes with the bar. You do not need to be under the bar faster than the bar is able to drop down, you need to be just fast enough to catch it in a good position.
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sooo, my coach said he wants to put me on the russian cycle because i have pretty decent workload capacity and training 6 days a week would suits me.
he gave me a copy of the program and said i'll have to chose the exercises every day from the list and autoregulate sets and reps between certain ranges. i didnt really understand some parts of the program.
for example, on day 3/week 1 i should do clean, hang clean power clean and front squats , 5/6 sets for 2/6 reps 70/75% of 1rm with low intesity and moderate to high volume, goal is to do a 6x3 with 80% on the clean at the end of week 2.
i tought something like a 6x3 with 70% for clean power clean and hang clean and a 6x5/6 ( pretty much rpe 8/9) with 70% of my frost squats would be good for the first week, but it says moderate to high volume and this looks like a huge amount of work in one session. am i getting it wrong or something?
pic related is program
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>>35485846
No that's because you only snippets of the actual seminar

When he went with Ilya they explained that what they are teaching are cues
They said not to copy lifters lifting max since form breaks down
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>>35486061
what? illya and klokov? prove it
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>>35485998
the exercises selection
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>>35485325
if I put a salsa dancer in a fighting gym he would do better than an average Joe, so yes
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>>35486061
But his form is like that even at 50 %. For instance here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovU_x7Q77Qw
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>>35486427
He says "dont think about leaning back because it will happen naturally, if you think about it it will be overdone"
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>>35486427
If you coach someone what you are doing is just trying to make them feel a movement so it corrects whatever fault they have. When they say shit like this in the seminars they hope ppl will feel thisin the lifts and it iwll help them correct their form. Some parts just comes naturally like getting under etc...
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>>35485998
so for the first week you wouldn't really need to concern yourself with specific exercises unless you really want to. Looks like you should just do, for that particular day, maybe squats in one session, and cleans in a different session. Just one variation of each so like fsq and hang clean if you want. And then yeah it says 4 exercises for the day so maybe fsq, clean and jerk for those 5-6 sets of 2-6 reps at 70-75%, then a couple other exercises that would be helpful, but probably not do those with that set and rep scheme. Like maybe some ab work and GHRs for 3-5 sets of 8-20. Of course pick stuff you need to work on. So you know, don't go doing a shitload of calf work for no real reason. Or like power cleans if you power clean more than you full clean
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I've got back Probs kinda from squatting heavy, low back rounding I guess + getting tipped over a bit. My right spinal erector kinda hurts and when I hyperextend my back and feels weird.

Is my back done? It just feels weird and iffy. Some kinda pain on the bones. It's been 2 days.

Have I broken all my disks off? Hlp

and I'm gonna deadlift today too, although they usually don't bug my back. I hope I'll be okay.

I'm doing presses too and they fuck me up a bit if I don't brace my core right.

Should I just rip my spine out and accept being a vegetable now?
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>>35486614
so you would do just clean, hang clean and front squats with those rep schemes and then just do some light accessory work after that? cutting off one exercises wouldnt be that bad actually, power cleans really drains me out.
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>>35486683
git gud scrub
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>>35486728
PLEASE NO JOKES THIS IS SERIOUS PLEASE
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>>35486850
just rest for a while and make sure you brace your core really tight when you do compunds. my coach has a lumbar hernia and still lifts heavy, you just need to be careful and to have a really strong core
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>>35486926
Should I start doing dedicated core work again?

Weighted back Ext. and crunches I think will suffice.

I used to do back Ext. and worked up to holding a 60 lb dumbell at my chest for 5 reps (doing these with locked hips, moving the weight by rounding and unrounding my back)
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>>35486724
I would just pick one exercise from each group for each session for those prescribed sets and reps. Then fill in the other exercises it wants you to do with accessory work. I guess I'm just saying don't feel obligated to do that prescribed work for hang cleans if you just did it for clean and jerks and just want to practice more. At least that's the way I see it. You could just do hang cleans for the prescribed work too, but it looks like it calls for goals in specific exercises and also goals for the snatch and clean and jerk. So I would guess that specific exercises refer to stuff like squats, pulls, presses and sn/cj variations.
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>>35486985

Rest your back.

Light stretching work, maybe some unweighted hypers.
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>>35487029
b-but I'm going to the gym and maxing out in Diddylifts and ohp and I won't be able to go back till maybe Thursday or friday
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>>35487014
ok that makes more sense, all that prescribed work would blow me away in less than a week probably.
thank you

>>35486985
you should always do some dedicated core exercises, just some situps at the end of the session, it takes 5 minutes and can prevent a lot of pain and injuries
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>>35476393
is this a good novice program?
http://www.catalystathletics.com/article/131/Starter-Program-for-Catalyst-Athletics-Online-Workouts/
i've been doing oly for quite a while now but my coach overcomplicate things and set all of us on advanced programs, even beginners
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Lads I have a problem;
Whenever I do front squats and take the bar out the rack I can't rest it on my delts properly, (clean grip) yet when I do power cleans I can rest it on my delts just fine and even front squat just fine???
Taking it out of a rack fucks me over somehow?

What do you suggest?

Also for whatever reason my T-Spine area (middle back) starting hurting when front squatting?

What could I be doing wrong? Leaning too far forward?
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>>35487742
Too far forward, you're placing stress onto your lower / mid back as a stablizer.

Also, try a cross grip for front squats if you're not managing a clean grip.
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>>35487720
if only youve read the sticky in the OH PEE
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>>35487773
I dont understand why my front squat is so ugly, I can highbar squat deep and keep an almost vertical upper body but my front squats suck.

I assume it's because I can't keep my elbows up. Any cues or advice for this? Anyway ways to practise keeping elbows up?
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>>35487823

Make sure your biceps is parallel to the floor
You should practice with a lower weight, exaggerating your elbows to stay up.

It's a part of shoulder mobility, so perhaps partaking in some shoulder mobility movement and exercises would prove beneficial.

Doing some band resistance exercises to lock your elbows in place and try stretching them so that they have to be parallel to the floor, this type of resistance training helps to stretch out tight shoulders.
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>>35487893
Thanks for the advice friend.
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>>35476393
dudes why am i such a fucking dumbass, i keep overcomplicating my programs while all i need to do is classics squats and pulls.
i cant kill the powerlifter inside my mind who keeps me doing a shitton of pressing and pulling work
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>>35487928
You're always welcome to ask questions here brother.
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>>35487773

>cross grip

Fuck. That. Front Squats from the rack are not that important. If you need to use a non-standard position just to do them comfortably something is very wrong and you're just avoiding the problem.

>>35487823

Sounds like you have a weak back. Go for more reps at a lower weight with a slow, controlled descent, or do pauses. And do more back work. Rows, pull-ups, etc.

If you take a video, though, it will be a little easier to diagnose the problem. Any number of little things could be awry and contributing to the problem.
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>>35487959

>http://www.builtforthisathletics.com/apps/blog/show/32744517-the-lsus-program-aka-pierce-10-5-3-peak
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>>35485325
anon you're so retarded that people can't even tell is this a bait or not pls uninstall internet
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should I move up a weight class?

currently i'm at ~59,5kg bodyweight and that's what I weigh if i eat "normally" (without tracking, just eat "clean" foods when i'm hungry) and train hard 3x a week.

for my first (and so far only) competition I cut weight to 57,8kg and made the 58 class, because I didn't want to compete as a very light 63kg.

However, managing that 57,8kg took me 3 weeks of a caloric deficit and one week of almost zero carbs, zero salt and complete dehydration 1 day prior to the meet.

since it was my first competition and i didn't expect to win anyway it was ok, but I know that it's impossible for me to be successful by starving my body the weeks prior to the competition just to make weight in the 58kg class.

should I bulk up to the 63kg class? it's very difficult for me to lose that 1,5kg i need to make the 58kg class, because i'm pretty much at the limit. that's why i think that it would be maybe healthier to move up a class.

or should I try to cut a bit more fat? but if I should cut: when should i do that? right now there are still at least 2 competitions before summer, and I can't start cutting now, otherwise i'd have no energy to train for those competitions.


i'm a noob to all of this, i've been weightlifting for a year now and right now it's the first time i'm competing and i have to actually think about my weight.
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>>35488185
>58 class

London, England’s capital, set on the River Thames, is a 21st-century city with history stretching back to Roman times. At its centre stand the imposing Houses of Parliament, the iconic ‘Big Ben’ clock tower and Westminster Abbey, site of British monarch coronations. Across the Thames, the London Eye observation wheel provides panoramic views of the South Bank cultural complex, and the entire city.
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>>35488253
pls help tho :^(
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>>35488296
What's your height
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>>35488308
1,65m
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>>35488319
Go to 63kg
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>>35488360
care to explain why?
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>>35488185
>I didn't want to compete as a very light 63kg.

do you have a chance in medalling at 58 class if you did?

if not then what's the point? you're just making it needlessly hard for yourself

just go compete in whatever bw you normally are for the first few years then when you have a chance at nationals or important meets start deciding which weightclass is more suitable for you
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>>35488386
58kg is much easier to cut to for 160cm and below girls. If you have problems cutting 1.5kg for a weight class then a simple solution is to move up. You can go to 63, 69, or 75 if you want. Weightlifting isn't your job, so there's no reason to ardently stick with 58kg
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Sorry if its old news but...

South Korea ban Sa Jae-Hyouk for punch on Hwang Woo-Man - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/weightlifting/35225082

Banned by SK fed. Will another country invite him to respresnt them?
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>>35479443
RIP in piece Dan. He'll never attempt 290+ now.
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>>35488755
>for punch on

who the fuck wrote this
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>>35488755
>Sa Jae-Hyouk damaged his shoulder during the 2012 Games

>picture of him holding his elbows

lmao
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>>35489191
>>35489208
Yeah BBC aren't exactly thorough with their wl coverage
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>>35489208
yeah, he dislocated his shoulder.

What a pussy ass SHW lifter man.

>Hwang, 21, has been hospitalized with an injury to his cheekbone
>He has alleged that Sa hit him...and that he will require up to six weeks to heal.
>Hwang also appears unlikely to compete in Rio as he will miss substantial training time with his injury.

are you fucking kidding me?
This dude is 130+kg and gets hit by an 85kg lifter and now says he'll miss so much training that he won't be able to compete in the OLYMPICS?

DUDE COME ON. Like shit man I didn't know how crucial your fucking cheekbone was to weightlifting until today. Grubbing for that lawsuit money like a scumbag. This sentence is also somewhat revealing:

>Sa testified that he met Hwang to clear up some misunderstanding over an incident last February, in which Sa slapped the younger lifter in the face, and that he became outraged while talking with Hwang
>Hwang said Sa didn't show any intention to clear the air between them. According to Hwang, Sa was angry that Hwang had been telling others about their February incident and told the younger lifter that he was being ungrateful for what senior teammates had done for him.

So what I'm getting out of this is that this Hwang is probably an ungrateful little faggot who ran his mouth too much and got his ass handed to him. Now he's being a little bitch and called the cops. Pic related is his debilitating injury that will keep him out of rio.

BY THE WAY, Sa probably out clean and jerks this joker on the reg. Dude did 207 at junior worlds.
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>>35489643
my bad, I forgot to post the DEBILITATING facial injury
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>>35489643
>yeah, he dislocated his shoulder.

no you're just as retarded as the one who wrote that article

>>35489643
>Hwang also appears unlikely to compete in Rio as he will miss substantial training time with his injury.

that was just something written by the retarded dude

read the posts made by pent on this thread on why he got "beat" up by sa, you dont seem to realize that asian countries value seniority a lot
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>>35488755
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/weightlifting/35225082
>hitting one woman
what a piece of shit
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>>35489722
my bad, meant to say elbow lol. Give a guy a break.

>read the posts made by pent on this thread on why he got "beat" up by sa, you dont seem to realize that asian countries value seniority a lot
I'm not sure where you're coming from there. I went back and read the posts. Sounds like this young kid was disrespectful and got put in his place by his senior, and now he's crying about it like a baby.
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>>35482573
Strongly disagree, competitions serve to focus your training and help motivation to improve faster. You will reach "good" numbers faster if you compete, and you won't be a confused pleb when you go to your first national meet.

>>35482884
This made me sad :(
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>>35490208
How much does the dove snatch
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>>35490208
fucking atg
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>>35488721
why do you always name everything mattie
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>>35492098
It's the output filename for youtube-dl and ffmpeg. I rename it to something else if the video does not have Mattie.
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>>35479332
Fake plates
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>>35492800

are you retarded?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xl3fBUpz_s

here is him doing 280x2 as a 77kg lifter when he was 17.

these fake plates too? well memed my friend
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>>35494012
yes fake plates

who the hell thinks those brown plates are real

china confirmed fake lifters, you see why he bombed out? cause he posts fakes lifts to get views
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>>35485747
No, they like elbows up ideally, but the intention of the lifter and what you can actually see are different, especially when the weights get big.

>We always discuss the concept of closeness when teaching athletes 1-1 and in previous and upcoming 2015 Chinese weightlifting technique seminars in order to exert upward force through the catch. To do this one must pull the elbows upward as demonstrated by Liao Hui during his tour with us in December. Many lifters pull the elbows back too early which ultimately limits how close and how high one pulls the bar.
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>>35494031

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpsyqxDTKwM

>squats 275 at competition conditioning like its nothing

those plates must be fake too
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>>35492856
3x5 pathetic failures
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>>35494031

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fjRnMS1xbc

fake plates coming through
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>>35494090
the first one is so thin compared to the rest that's a big 2.5 he's doing 225 at best in here
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>>35494067
3x5 Roll around on the floor wallowing in self pity
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>>35494116
Spicy meme liao220.webm
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Today's Log. Help me plan tomorrow's workout.
>Snatch:
67%x2
72.5%x2
77%x4x2

SNDL:
77%x3
82.5%x4
87.5%x4
97.5%x3x4

BSQ:
50%x3
67%x2
81%x3x3

p.s. SNDL is based on max sn
coming back to a consistent schedule now after the holidays, which is why i'm keeping light.
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>>35494407
oh, yeah, and i did 30sec x 2 of planks with 20kg, each side (left/right oblique and regular plank)

for tomorrow i'm thinking of

>Clean and Jerk
67%x2
72.5%x2
80%x2

>CLDL
77%x3
85%x5
95%x5
100%x3x5

>Press/Jerk
>Tricep work

what do you think /owg/?
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>>35494436
man i'm fucking up, sorry.

>Clean and Jerk
67%x2
72.5%x2
80%x4x2
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>>35494436
doesnt that chick post on 4chan?
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>>35494481
no clue. just saved it one time.

have more??? lol
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>>35494498
pls more, pref no clothes
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>>35487534
did he died?
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>>35494694
No I'm asking you if you have more
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why does mattie only look cute when she's lifting?
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>>35495013
Maybe you're not really that into her and just want to spam memes? To be honest though, she has a really fine ass.
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>>35495073
it's just my observation, I have never posted anything of her but you gotta admit she looks cute af when she's lifting
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takano cms program is kicking the shit out of me

send help
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>>35495266
Sleep and eat
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>when people talk to you about "Olympic lifting"
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>>35495013
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>>35476393
Any tips on reading the Everret book on weightlifting? So freaking long. Also how do I get a more stable overhead snatch position, tips please or guides
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>>35497069
Amphetamine
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I'm interested in both strength and explosiveness, but as a poor fag, I just have a standard 300 CAP crap weight set.

I've been using hang cleans as an accessory, is there any other "low skill" oly lifts I should be doing and can be done with iron plates?
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>>35497144
power cleans
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>>35497144
It's not about "low skill" retard

It's about safety if you have a bar that don't spin or barely spins it can lock up before you rack it and crash on you in a weird angle breaking your wrists and yourself
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>>35497057
the most athletic evar
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Guys I was getting some back pain yesterday and I stretched my hip flexors and that seemed to really aleviate it. It's pretty much 100% gone today I think.

Is it possible my quads are too stronk for my hamstrings and that's messing me up, or do I just have tight hip flexors and I've gotta stretch? I don't really appear of have anterior pelvic tilt, and I honestly dont think I do, so Im kind of unsure.

I do deadlifts and I mostly do back squats to full depth and sometimes do RDLs after squats. So I don't see my posterior chain not getting enough work.

What gives?
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>>35497742
what about your abs? You're probably not activating your lower abs and bracing properly
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>>35497772
Nah, likely not. But bracing properly on what? Squats?

I do know I have to get better at bracing, and I do get some lower back rounding at times since I don't stay tight enough/brace properly.
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Anyone here from Ontario? Winterlift coming up
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>>35497856
im that skinny weakcunt that has posted vids here before. im in ontario, up north
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>>35497915
if u have a gud enough qual total (probs not) u should come
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>>35497940
what is it?

ive snatched nearly 1000kg in training and you wouldnt even believe my c + j bro.. im sure i qualify hahahahahahahaaha
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>>35476393
Are those push ups with 75kg added weight? that's like 165 lbs right? The fuck?
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>>35497390

That was pretty dope t b h
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>>35498089
http://www.onweightlifting.ca/#!qualifyingstandards/c1tva
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>>35499084
ill be there FUCKER

prepare t get BTFO

>pic related is u when im done wit ya
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>>35476637
Kroc rows
Russian Twists
Close Grip Bench
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>>35499144
what class senpai
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>>35483102
Mirin' beard trim game
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>>35483677
>According to Hwang, Sa slapped him in the face with a slipper for not having good manners 1-2 months ago.

Holy fuck. So this is what happens when you give steroids to Asians.
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>>35499781
is she stretching her hamstrings?

why is she stretching them for so long?

good looking stretch, gonna try it. you cant round your spine i guess
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>>35486683
If you had a bulging or fucked disc you wouldn't be able to move without screaming. Do a lot of standing pikes and hip stretches, squat like you mean it from now on and you'll be okay.
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Did I fuck up

Are you suppose to jump when doing power cleans right?
My feet can leave the ground right?
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>felt like jacking off
>went to the gym instead
>came during squats anyways
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>>35482573
I hate autistic fucks like you. Just have fun.

I competed with less than bw snatch and barely bodyweight c&j, fucking come at me.
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>>35500517
Cos to get more flexible you don't just stretch for a few seconds
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>>35501182
>ywn lick Mattie's butthole
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>>35500773
>>35486683

This isn't true, each injury is particular, and not all slipped or bulging discs press on the surrounding nerves in such a way as to produce intense pain. You do need to be careful and brace properly, but if you aren't experiencing debilitating pain and there is little risk of exacerbating the injury then there's no reason not to keep training. Ilya has/had a bulging disc and he seems to be managing pretty well.

Go to the physio, see what's up, then proceed as best fits your condition.
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>>35501014

You're supposed to extend aggressively to transfer force to the bar and elevate it. When I see people trying to 'jump start' a clean they are usually just hopping a little bit then pulling the bar up to their shoulders with their arms. No force from the hips whatsoever, which is completely wrong.

So no, don't jump. Extend.
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>>35501762
Would you say the feet leaving the floor as a by-product of extension isnt a big deal if you're not trying to jump?
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hey guys i have a question for you

why? why do olympic weightlifting? its a very difficult movement to master, it doesnt make you look more aesthetic, and you're not going to get significantly better jumps or be more athletic or whatever.

im someone who did this for 5 years before quitting and moving on to more important stuff in life. eg. my gf.
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>>35498655
its called being strong
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>>35501819

That's fine.

>>35501932

Shoo shoo.
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>>35501932
>what is having a hobby
>what is enjoying something

Nah mate totally right let's only do things that makes us look good and then go through the motions with some slut, let's not do literally anything else we might enjoy
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>>35501932
>I stopped lifting for a girl
So you're using your gf as a reason to not work out when you literally could have both. Kill yourself because you're not going to make it with that attitude.
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>>35501932
because the snatch and cj are way more fun than a basic ass gym aesthetics fag.

ohyeah its also a sport
ohyeah you also get strong as feck m8
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>>35502091
>get strong as fuck

ok. and where the hell are you going to show that off? girls dont care how much you squat and guys will be like yeah i can almost do that
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>fall backwards on my first clean of the day
>pretty good sesh regardless
>lots of good jerk work
what happens when my bitch legs fail out from under a squat clean? do i try to push the weight forward or what? rn i just let it roll over me which feels bitchmade as fuck
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>>35502217
Why do you only care what other people think?

Fucking cookie cutter. Live for yourself. Wake up sheeple.
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>>35502282
>cookie cutter

What is this why do people say it?
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>>35502425
It means you're a cookie cutter porno addict that lives their life based on what other people say or do instead of doing what they want.

It's fine you're a cookie cutter, just don't think you can brainwash me fucking porno addict now go back to doing curls and getting a gf
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>>35502496
Why are you bullying me?
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>>35502535
>Bullying
>On the Internet
>Let alone an anonymous Antarctican Ice hut forum
Someone somewhere actually thinks this
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>>35502633
do i resign myself to constantly having slight knee pain forever? i've done everything short of surgery
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>>35502694
Why are you asking him a completely unrelated question?
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>>35502721
didn't mean to quote him
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>>35502535
No bully frendo
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>>35501679

he's not even autistic, just wrong. If you step onto a national competition platform with zero experience, you are likely to bomb.

Also that stupid rationalization could be applied to anything really.

>why go to nationals if you're not going to win a medal

etc
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>>35503057
What usually happens in a first meet?
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>>35503124

You might not know how to time your warmup attempts properly, you might not know how to pick your attempts, you might not hold the bar overhead long enough to get the down signal, etc.

And those are just technical problems, there's also just the issue of getting intimidated when you're up on the stage.
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vid (dot) me (slash) WzNd

If you could webm me up it'd be cool.

Sorry for the shit angle of the shit lift. 52kg FYI. Any tips? Am I not pulling myself down far enough? I feel like I'd prefer my squat stance to be closer, how do?
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>>35497390
far more athletic
based clarence>mattie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2acamyIGeM
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>>35501182

ugly feet 0/10
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>>35503300
Mattie was actually a gymnast though

Clarry was just a "trickster" a "street gymnast".

Basically the skill difference between Ilya and that fat 40 y/o ex-high school football player who does 60kg power cleans with horrible form

Mattie is clearly superior here
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>>35503488
I'd take being able to do like 5 consecutive back flips, clean and jerking 220kg and snatching 185kg over anything that Mattie can do. Clarence hits world class numbers, Mattie is far from it.
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>>35503517
Mattie only has 3 years of experience doing the lifts. Clarold has 7
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>>35503488
I thought Mattie was a cheerleader
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>>35503876
Gymnast from age 3 to 12, cheerleader from 12 to 17
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>>35504007
>gymnast as a child
>cheerleader as a teen
fucking who cares?
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>>35504044
Mattie is cute
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>>35504080
>Mattie
>cute
Get a better weightliftingfu
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>>35504180
I have four waifus, and Mattie is my favorite one.
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