>26yo >live on my own >have a steady job >pay for all my stuff myself >had sex, had relationships >I can take responsibility >I take care of my family and friends if needed >I can hold my own in a fight >I stay to my word
3 years ago I was working retail. I was middle management of a small store at 23. It was a fairly relaxed atmosphere.
In conversation the phrase "Men like Anon" happened to come up. Two of the girls who worked in the shop, under me, said "Anon? Man? *giggle giggle*". I said something sarcastic back and generally laughed it off but the incident hasn't left me.
"If I wasn't a man at 23, when would I be?" I remember thinking.
I think it's part of why I got into fitness during 2015. I've lost 30 pounds through running and would like to start lifting in 2016.
The man/boy issue has a lot more to do with the notion of respect. I think people called a "boy" after your early 20s is a mark of disrespect in general.
I suppose we'll see how this changes if I ever make it, whatever that means.
I'm 25 and I think I'm a man because for the first time in my life I truly feel like I'm on my own if something bad happened. Which is kind of sobering, its like shit I better get it together cause nobody is coming to the rescue but me
>>35476132 25 year old here. I don't think I'm a man yet.
For a long time I was coddled (single child) and had everything given to me. Basically a boy in a 21 year old's body. Pathetic.
My dad passed away from cancer. I moved to south america (shithole) to live in 2012. Tough living makes for tougher men.
I had various interpersonal jobs. I take care of cows (rancher). Relationships with girls. Cook and clean after myself (thanks gym). Do shit alone. Go to parties.
All I need is a skill (that I will learn), to finish university here, and then I will be the man I'm supposed to be when I move back to the USA as a changed man. I've mapped out what I want to do to have passive income and travel where I want for the rest of my life.
>>35476504 Not the original dude who posted, but I would argue that caring for any other person would count .. example, having aging/dying parents and needing to not only care for yourself, but tending to their needs too on the daily.
I'm mean really, how hard is it to be a functioning individual in this world - ain't hard anons. Any boy can fend for himself. Being able to sacrifice to care for another is pretty strong characterwise doh. I dunno if that's the true mark of a man, but I would argue it's closer to it that soley stating independence and manhood are on par with each other. Iunno .. thoughts?
Yeah 90% of /fa/ is fuccboi. But their are decent inspo and fragrance threads that pop up. And some other random shit, but mostly like you said: you call it "high fashion," I call it fuccboi. But everyone knows once you get /fit/ you have to get /fa/. Their sticky for basics is a must read.
>>35476452 >>35477458 /pol/ is fucking hilarious and I am voting for Donald Trump if he is on the ballot
>>35477181 eh you're pushing it m8. magic like magic cards? playing a video game in that genre would be more acceptable. have you ever seen any jacked dudes playing magic cards? do you even actually lift?
>>35476132 25 yo, and probably boy. I know I've matured in the last years, but I guess what's still missing is being involved in actual work, in the real world. Being a student means living a life without responsibilities nor expertise. You are always the soon-to-be.
I'm German, and in German there are two pronouns to directly address a person: "Du" und "Sie". The first one you use for friends, relatives and children, the second one for grown up people you don't know and in more formal contexts. People I don't know (cashiers for example) usually talk to me using the informal pronoun. I used to ignore that, but I'm fucking 25 now and I slowly start to take that as an insult. My usual response is that I talk back using the same pronoun, just to make sure they understood how fucking weird it is.
their sticky is definitely quality. My fashion sense is very, bar "high fashion fuccboi", fashionable for the average guy. Sorority chicks LOVE my style, and besides I'm in a suit or at least a shit, tie and sweater 5 days a week.
It's weird, I moved out of my mom's house when I was 18, have gotten a couple degrees, work a full time well paying job, engaged living with fiancee, have a dog and a house yet I still feel like a kid. I feel like I'll be a kid well into my 50s, it's not like it's stopping me from doing what I need to do anyway
>>35476132 People have Always told me they thought I was older than I am. always been wise amongst peers. Always been able to give advice. Dominated gf physically, sexually, always looked at me as her man. Gf left me, work in the arts, all my peers doing better than me, went home for Xmas to a family of chubs, gorged like I used to as a fat fuck before uni. Want to go back to LONDON and sort my life out. Never felt like more of a lost child tho.
It changes depending on who I'm around. At work, I feel more like a teenager, which is weird considering all my coworkers are around my age. For some reason though, they all see older and more mature than I am. When I'm with my friends, I feel more like an adult.
>>35480235 Where does it say otherwise? >he is capable...but utterly ineffective in challenging it morally or ethically since libertarianism tends to adopt a non-interference attitude to ethics and morality
26, I'd say man. Good job, moved to two cities without help, now living in NYC. I wish I was closer with family, but it did mature me fast. I get a lot of sir's and general respect. Joke's on them though, I still get blackout shitfaced and dance like an idiot about once a month. May they never find out.
Right now i'm 21 yo student. I try to take responsability for the things i do. I try to not waste the money i'm given. I dont have problems getting gfs or making friends. I'd call myself a little wiser than most of my age and generation. But i cant consider myself an adult, i believe i got a long way yo go yet, even though maybe i'm just idealizing the concept, since most adults are shit anyway.
>>35476132 I consider myself a man >am 17yo >fuck you if you call mods >continuing.... >live in my grandmas house >she feeds me >have a gf >am a virgin >fuck you if you think thats weird >continuing.... >am studying medical >dont know how to check temperature >fuck you again if you think thats weird >now go fuck youself
you're a boy. pick something, fight for it, spend the rest of your life drinking to forget the pain of losing the only thing you believed in. usually it's the love of a parent, and it manifests itself in a lot of ways. burying a parent is another great way.
>>35480768 Only thing that would make that so is I'm still living at home. I have flaws and weaknesses, if you're a man you acknowledge and accept these. Set goals to work in these flaws and such and make progress everyday to become alpha. Also actions speak louder than words so I wouldn't expect everybody to instantly assume or believe I'm a man solely based off of a post of an Algerian abacus trading forum.
>>35477064 thats pretty stupid desu. having actually done it shouldnt be considered being a man. you might as well say, surviving a plane crash is the only thing that makes you a man. its not the thing itself its the capability. if someone is prepared to take care of someone but doesnt get the opportunity they just never get their man card and die a little boy?
>>35476446 tfw 21 tfw no drivers license tfw dont even have an id tfw just got my first job tfw make like $50 a month tfw my mom still buys my clothes i-its n-not my fault i s-swear shit feel desu but im doing what i can with what i got and i look forward to the day when i make enough money i dont have to ask my mom to buy me a new pair of socks cause mines got holes in it gonna try to get a second job when i get back to uni and am hopefully getting an ID next week. next person who tries to talk shit about me needing an id or a license is getting their teeth knocked in though. it seriously isnt my fault and i did everything i could. im fucking sick of people being on their high horse when i can probably still probably drive better than them
>>35481698 Lol? How is it not your fault? Unless your spending all your money for medical reasons, you have no excuse. You are funking 21, anything you do is your decision. An adult takes responosibility even if its not always their fault, a child makes excuses even if it is their fault.
>>35481766 well if your talking about the money, i only ask when its something i need, if its something that can wait i save for it. i buy clothes from thrift shops so that wasnt really a valid example. and i wasnt kidding when i said i only make like $50 a month my job doesnt require many hours.
as for the license, neither of my parents would let me take drivers ed, pay for it, or anything. i finally borrowed a book from my friend and got my permit but couldnt get them to take me for my license test. and my town doesnt even have a dmv. im not about to walk like 80 miles, even if it was actually possible, to get my license. and because i didnt have a license i couldnt get a car which made it so i couldnt get a job far from my house when both my parents blatantly told me they wouldnt drive me. i applied to every job within walking distance, and some out of it. its not like i just sat back and made excuses. and still i find it hard to complain about my life because other than this one thing my parents are good and my life has been good relatively, i guess. but i mean you can go ahead and patronize me like everyone else when you dont even know why its not my fault. just because you have parents who like you and want you to succeed and helped you get a leg up on life doesnt mean everyone elses parents did anything besides provide the necessities
I'm consider myself a man. I'm 29. I work hard. I've paid my mortgage for the past 10 years without missing a payment, I can deadlift 200kg, and I can deal with mishaps without needing to blubber on social media. I'm most proud of the relationship I have with my wife. We're an awesome team. Sure things in random elements of life could be better, but that's the point; I'm always trying to progress and improve.
>>35481799 Woah big boy calm down, I didnt get my license till I was 18 for similar reasons, but it sounds like you might be relying on your parents as a scapegoat. If you really wanted something bad enough then you could manage it on your own. Im fucking latino, ive literally shoveled shit for minimum wage at one point. But go ahead continue justifying yourself on a vietnamese fishing forum if it makes you feel better
>>35481876 im white and im not above shovelling shit for less than minimum wage. ive had so many of my friends ask why i tried so hard to get a job. several have flat out told me they wouldnt have bothered if their parents didnt hook them up with a job. i live in a relatively affluent community, and am easily the poorest family of all my friends. my best friend got a fucking car for his 17th birthday. and my parents wouldnt even pay for drivers ed. and it does make me feel better. and its kind of a sore subject for me because now my parents have the gall to make digs like 'if only someone had their license' and shit.
26, live on my own, have a full time job, been through some rough years, have had gfs, friends. Still feel like a child.
Maybe it's because I look like I'm 15. When I get my bus pass they ask if I'm in middle school or high school. I get asked if I am going trick or treating this year and I get id'd for video games like borderlands 2.
Or maybe it's because I haven't grown up sexually. Attracted to jailbait more than anything, though I would never act on it.
27 and still think im a kid. I don't act like a retard but I don't feel like responsibility has been cast on me. Still live with my parents but im Spanish so it's only slightly more acceptable then with whites. Parents don't coddle me aside from not kicking me out
>>35476132 im 25 and i feel like im about 15 in my head nothing has changed in me since then but then reality hits i catch a glimpse of myself and i don't recognise the man looking back and im instantly depressed that them easiest years of my youth are behind me
>>35476167 i have all of these but still see myself as 15 feeling like a man is not a noble thing to strive for being able to act like a man in a situation is but how you feel is your own personal thing
37 and only felt like a man for the last few years thanks to lifting-instilled confidence. I've had a house, kids, mortgage, etc for years but never felt on par with "men" until I got confidence. I was raised as a pussy by my mom.
It happened at once when I was getting bullshitted by a young salesman in T-Mobile and I just stopped him and said "What you just said was bullshit and we both know it". Pre-lifting me would have never done that. It was the first time I did something based on confidence without thinking about it or planning , etc. I just said something confrontational but naturally because it was what I wanted to say. There was no over thinking, no sugar coating, no meaness....just a simple matter of fact statement.
> 19 > black > tall, lean > somewhat muscular > not that many facial hair > work retail >little kid comes up to me > "sir could you help me get this game?" > another guy goes > "excuse me sir but can you help me?"
>>35478792 >suit >shirt tie and sweater >fashion sense
Shirt tie and sweater is literally the most uncreative, generic and uninteresting look you could pull off. Suit is an immortal classic, but it's NOT fashion sense, just picking the 'safe' option, which means overdressing 90% of times.
>>35476132 I'm transitioning from boy to man. >me, turned 17 to 18 in October 2015 >first half of senior year, fell for a girl who wanted nothing to do with me, tried to get her to date me, acted like a cuck around her, put her on a pedestal, friendzoned, etc. >She doesn't want to date me, see her interested in other dudes >read the beta stories on /fit/, took that red flag immediately, cut contact with her because it'd be awkward. Haven't spoken to her since the first week of December >In the span of that month, I've enlisted in the Marine Corps (something I want to do, almost didn't go because I wanted a chance with her), gave myself a buzzcut since girls are as disinterested in me with buzzed hair as they are with my old hair >started working out on my own, and not just on the tuesdays and thursdays I do at DEP I'm gonna make it, guys.
I'm still doing the same shit I was doing 3 years ago basically, but I still consider myself a man now. Why?
Whenever I was watching a scene with father and son, or when a memory from my childhood came to my mind, I was always the kid. I was going fishing with my father or he took me to the movies.
But some weeks ago I was watching a tv commercial with a kid and his dad, and started daydreaming about a father taking his son fishing. And the I realised that for the first time, I wasn't the kid, I was the dad.
I've thought about it a lot and I come to the conclusion that I'm done. I don't need my father anymore to teach me things, I don't need his approval or feel the urge to make him proud. I love him, but we are suddenly face to face and not me looking up to him. Seriously, if my gf came up to me and told me she's pregnant, I wouldn't feel overwhelmed anymore, I'd feel ready.
>>35476132 People call me boy a bit more often than I'd have expected for my age, I look a bit younger some peg my face at mid 20's, but I think people can see the inexperience in my eyes.
I'm 32 y/o former neet who got his first job at a walmart a year ago. I talk to men older than me and even a few years younger, hell even some 20 y/o men with much more life experience. They talk to me like a mentor, I feel like a boy. The only time I feel like a man is when I'm mentoring.
>26 >married >2 children, 3 year old and 6 month old >make 65k a year, 2nd year out of school >1 yr remaining on company paid masters degree >moved to a different city than my parents and family last year >bought a house in May >sole breadwinner of household >after mortgage/bills/investments still have a couple hundred dollars leftover each month
I consider myself pretty mature as an individual but just don't quite seem to have some form of achievement to prove it to the world. Not that its important to prove to the world, except only to myself. These kind of questions make me stress. Fuck you OP.
>>35476132 I would say only very meaningful and heavy experiences an especially tragic ones can turn someone into a complete man, I don't know If I want to sometime become a "full man", it's such a bleak and serious outlook, real men have no fun, only duties. I will apply to being an Officer in our army soon and I hope I will make it, I am only 19 now, but I will have to stay in there for 13 years if I chose this path. Wish me luck fit
>>35476132 26 in few days Not even close to a real man Not as reatard as when I was 16 Not as mature as my father was at my age My family still sees me like the little me who used to attend bdays and xmas parties No kids Gf Bike >Too lazy to proper greentext Why do I even live?
18 years old, I'm far from a boy but not quite yet a "man". If you're above 16 and consider yourself a boy you fucked up, the transitional period is important for growth. I worked at a fast food joint for a quick minute, a lady called in and said "that man ruined my order", the manager retorted 'ANON? A man?" and proceeded to laugh. It's funny because the majority of 'women' are just old children who don't accept responsibility whenever it's convenient. I may or may not be a man, but I've never broken down crying in the backroom because "muh too much work".
>24yo nice house nice car solid job >pay bills >clean cut well spoken >stay up to 3am playing games drunk with other bros >only reason i talk to girls is to get nudes off of insta or to fuck them & nothing else >i slide into DMs of girls in a seemingly happy relationship & it works sometimes >posts on 4chan
im also afriad to set up my own doctors appointment for reasons i dont understand.
I think I'm at a weird point in my life where I'm no longer a boy, yet not entirely a man. 20 and a virgin, yet I haven't given much thought to it. Got some financial independence in that I have a job to pay for my own stuff (rent, furniture, range time, etc), yet I'm fortunate enough to have gotten my education payed for by my grandparents and parents. Doing original research under the supervision of my professors with some hefty grants attached, which I guess is some good responsibility (I also love the work I'm doing and hope to have a career in it once I graduate). Don't really have too many friends my own age, but plenty of grad student friends who are less likely to act like dipshits than many other 20 year olds around me. In short I don't think I've experienced enough to consider myself a man, but I am putting my childhood behind me faster than a lot of my peers.
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