>>28263872 People getting constantly hammered with fabulous shit on facebook and twitter which makes people think they need to have celebrity lifestyles to be important, also lack of jobs and a general demystification of the world that has happened with the internet
>>28263910 Evolutionairy wise it doesn't make much sense since we need a reward and then go back to normal to keep improving our species, but I guess if one tries to shut out the world and stop spending hours upon hours looking at pictures and stories of other peoples success and look at the world in your own vicinity things will come to a perspective and you'll find reward in the smaller things
>>28263910 I've wondered this myself. I honestly think the answer is no, we're not.
Pain/misery is the one and only ONLY experience that 100% of humans experience and therefore share across the world. Not everyone will experience love, or joy, or fear etc etc (though most will) and some combo of them, but everyone at some point will be miserable.
It also seems that people can be unhappy and slip into misery no matter how well things are going for them. Its like a chemical thing. We're just an unhappy animal.
>>28264007 Don't do it. >>28264013 Maybe the search for happiness makes people miserable too. "I got to be happy, if I'm not happy now it means I'm a failure. Why am I failure? What did I do wrong? What's wrong with me? Fuck. >tfw no gf"
The destruction of human culture caused by egalitarian humanism; all things are equal and the same which means nothing you achieve will ever matter because in their view anyone can do anything. Also the death of man and the birth of the economic man has left a lot of people feeling lost.
>>28263872 Man, I see the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
Because humans are evolved to be in small tribes, but the exponential growth of human race has forced most poeple to live in huge cities where they don't know their neighbours and literally ignore 99.9% of people they come across daily. We further isolate ourselves by seeking etertainment from internet and vidya and movies etc. instead of real human interaction.
We were told we could do anything and we're finding out that was a lie. We're unhealthy. We don't exercise. We don't socialize. There's chemicals in the food.we have access to everywhere, which means we cab be aware of all the awful things that happen.
>>28264398 this. when everyone in your community is a stranger and strangers freak out if you even try to interact with them its a sad sad world. People dont do very well on their own, they need people looking out for them and holding them up. I say this as a very introverted person myself.
>>28264398 I recall reading this almost word to word from somewhere... Who are you quoting, remind me, please?
I am myself depressed, but can't really trace the initial reasons accurately anywhere, as I'm clinically depressed, meaning that my brain's biochemistry is completely fucked and treatments (that I'm willing to undertake) aren't helping, either. This further feeds my depression, ofc.
>>28264489 I'm not really quoting anyone or anything, I've probably read that somewhere too at some point but can't remember where. Now I came it up by myself pretty fast, thinking about by own depression etc. and the reasons.
>>28263872 Because the world is shit and full of evil people. Lucky for me my brain converts sadness into fury, and i use that fury to lift heavier, of course the constant hate is consuming me, i hope not end like elliot
>>28264566 if you mean some euro countries, its because they are culturally different. they value human interaction more explicitly. thats partly why even though spain is a shitty place people like to vacation there because people are more open, relaxed, and are free of much of the sexual tension that is rampant in the UK and USA
Because we can all sense that something is off in the world. Things are going wrong. Injustice is everywhere you look. Death, war, corruption. The poor are exploited and things we can't afford are teased in front of our eyes almost as if the rich and mega rich are mocking us. We are bombarded with media telling us how to look, how to think, how to act... We are all programmed to think in certain ways and about certain things. The internet has brought some of us together but it has also made it easier to seperate ourselves from others. Young people think they have failed if they are not a celebrity. Peoples moral compasses are gone. We live in a world where you are called "brave" for being a camwhore. We are out of touch with our environment and exploit everything and anything we can get our hands on. We have so much stuff that we do not know how to use it anymore. Everyone has an agenda or are trying to sell you in one way or another. We no longer have any freedom. We are all slaves and it seems everyone has just accepted this and instead try to distract themselves from the reality.
I often wonder... 7-8 billion people on this planet. How many of them are unhappy? We live in a dying world my friends, and this is all we have for the rest of our lives. Godspeed bros
Because life is fucking meaningless. We wont be around to discover the universe. We're just shadows and dust on a pale blue dot floating through eternity, forever lost in life and dreams we never reach.
>>28264648 >Young people think they have failed if they are not a celebrity. Funny thing is they are failures.
Own a computer? There is no excuse to not be the next Bill Gates. Some 15 year old sold his app to Yahoo for 30 Million dollars a couple years back. It wasn't even groundbreaking stuff, he was just creative and knew how to market himself (and still does).
Current research also shows how you can make your brain improve at just about anything.
There are no excuses except for your own laziness.
>>28264469 so what? third world countries are poor and they suicide rate isnt even half as much as other developed countries.
I think it's all human psychology, for the most part people needed to be kept busy through working everyday or before that hunting and gathering there was hardly any time for self reflection back then. But the more time we have to think because of advancements in our society the more leisure activity we have the more time we have to wonder why the world is fucked and what are purpose is in this world, when in reality we dont really have a purpose other than survive and reproduce like any other animal in this world.
>>28263872 because of things that are normal in society nowadays. Basically everything from technology to your water. Technology keeps people awake longer than they are supposed to be and fucks up your body's natural circadian rhythm. Once the power went out here for over a week, and we didnt get a generator until the last few days. In that time, I went to bed with the sundown and wokeup with the sunrise, all naturally, with no alarm clock, it just happened perfectly, no technology keeping me awake, or lights or anything. Felt fucking amazing.
Then shit like our water supply. Tap water contains all kinds of toxins, and even the things that are supposed to clean the water and be good for us, still causes terrible long term effects. Go look up the effects of flouride. Causes cancer, fucks up your hormone levels, interferes with your thyroid, causes sleep disorders and insomnia, etc etc. Toxins from shit like women's birth control that gets into the water, because in our ecosystem everything gets recycled. Women piss out said BC, it gets into the water supply, the water supply is bleached with flouride and chlorine and then sent to our faucets, but none of the toxins are really ever removed only baceria. I also live in a hard water area, so I'm currently looking into a reverse osmosis system that I can use for my drinking water.
Anyways tons of shit like this is going on, so yeah.
Because there's more pressure to 'succeed' than ever, to conform to what society as a collective thinks we should be, that wasn't the way in the past, life moved at a slower pace, now we're bombarded with useless shitty information telling us it's important, when it isn't.
At the base level there's only a few things that actually are important, family, friends and place to channel your energy like work, or fitness or hunting etc, being at peace.
But the world today makes it harder than ever to have these things without a shit tonne of baggage, YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE TO THIS SHIT HOLE SOCIETY, CHECK YO BIRTH PRIVILEGE MEAT SACK GIMME TAXES BUY MY PRODUCT YOU SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS, OH NO WE BOMBED ANOTHER SANDMAN.
Humans aren't meant to live in such a confused world.
>>28264664 My father was very unhappy, he smoke and drink 24/7 until he die when i was 15.My mother is constantly depressed and my older brother is already planing how is going to kill herself (unemployes, bitch wife, a doughter that hates him,etc). So my family is just a grup of sad and unsuccessful people, I only feel apathy and hate.
>>28264737 I know of this particular kid and what is your point? Not everyone can do what he has done. Not everyone has the talent or oppurtunity this kid had, or the good fortune. It is statistically impossible for everyone to become a success in this economy. Do you not understand yet? Some people are ushered into the failure seat. Sure, it is still possible for some to do extremely well but what about the others who are not so fortunate?
>>28263910 Making happiness the focal point of your life trivializes it, because in order to regard anything as truly important, you also have to regard its loss as truly meaningful. Opening yourself up to moments of deep meaning simultaneously means that you have to open yourself up to the possibility of deep hurt and sorrow.
You do that anytime, for example, you make a relationship profound, you put your emotions on the line and that has to be real, or else the relationship can’t be real. To hope that sort of risk could be obliterated by the indulgence in a simplistic form of happiness is to shrink in cowardice from the demands real human existence places on people.”
-Jordan B. Peterson, CBC Idea’s “Say No to Happiness”
>>28264858 >Do you not understand yet? Some people are ushered into the failure seat. Yeah, the ones that have to work three jobs to survive. That excludes about 100% of /fit/.
Everyone ITT right now can opt to use the Internet to learn. There is no excuse. This is free fucking University at your fingertips but instead you chose to post sadfrogs and act pretentious, think about that
By the way the kid I was talking about put in thousands of hours into programming just like everyone else who is successful at it.
My two cents on the topic. The two biggest things that helped me have been therapy and meditation.
1. Therapy for dealing with the deep issues that were in my blind spots. You are not aware of everything that is shaping your moods, thoughts, and motivations. Working with a professional can help you dig deeper. Don't make the mistake of thinking you can stop out everything and just be the best version of yourself in an instant.
2. Meditation. Being able to take a break from the constant monkey mind. You don't even realize how lost you are in a completely mind created world in your head. It's easy to see a commercial on TV and avert your attention and say 'I don't want that.' and pay attention to something else. It's not so easy when your mind spins a commercial to you 24/7 of your thoughts, desires and aversions. You can't stop focusing on it to the point you don't even realize that you are half there in life.
Coming to the realization that things like the internet are just a gigantic medium that the mind created. It will never stop generating content, thoughts and ideas for you to get lost in, just like your mind. Think of the internet as a big thinking mind. Places like /fit/ you might consider a mind that is probably depressed and constantly challenging you with terrible ideas and beliefs.
I'm ranting at this point. One of the biggest things I learned from meditation is that nothing at all in your mind or the outside world has any real hold over you enjoying whatever you are focusing on. If you have no ability to focus then you are trapped in your thoughts. The mind has such a grasp on most of us that the idea of trying to focus on one object is nearly impossible. Therefore most of you are imprisoned in your mind and can't even see it.
Easy- bored kids who don't know how good they have it who have been told they could do anything. Life sucks when anything becomes a shit job and struggling to make it paycheck to paycheck either alone or with some bitch that would never have seen yourself with.
Everything is a let down when the beautiful snowflake of child you were turns out to be an ordinary adult.
So put some weight on your back and be the best man you can be b/c that's really all there is.
>>28265149 Man you have no idea how much that picture makes me cringe. I literally cant hang out with people outside because we always pass by at least several beggars/homeless and I just cant have a good time or not notice it.
And yes I always give them some cash, except to gipsies, fuck those rats that just keep multiplying and steling.
>>28265210 >Because modern day workdays. >Man wasn't meant to do the same thing for 8 hours a day for 50 years. If you seriously stagnate for 50 years straight that's on you for not furthering your education. Not le evil society
>>28265185 >the guy that maintains his youtube channel is hilarious, its also hilarious that he cant have his own name because some dude obsessed with trucks has it. hahaha thats funny
>also, he makes a great /fit/ statement: Man its so true. Kind of like in pic related. I watched that talk, not even gonna have psychology as a career but that was a good talk. Some really solid advice in there. With life tips and such Peterson is the fucking shit. Every depressed nihilistic shit should give him a listen imo
>>28265198 Maaaybe a little. But there is this "you gotta fucking listen to this please its so fucking awesome you GOTTA LISTEN WHY WONT YOU LISTEN" thing. He really feels his shit is important and meaningful and that people should listen. Very passionate delivery
I hate when people discount depression, or people who don't have it say they're depressed.
My life was great, I have/had absolutely no fucking reason to be depressed. And for people saying "lolbored," no, it's not boredom. It's just something in your brain that's so utterly fucked, you just feel like shit 90% of the time. You don't want to struggle to stay alive, because you feel like staying alive isn't worth it. But at the same time, you DO want to stay alive because everyone else seems to like life. It's just a fucked up feeling that can't really be described.
And the whole while you feel ridiculous, because there are literally people with no limbs who have it a million times harder than you, and they aren't being whiny little faggot bitches.
Maybe I am just a spoiled brat, and if that's the case, I wish someone would just off me, because I don't have the balls to do it myself.
>>28265752 ha, yeah i was just having fun with that one. Its CA an WA that throw off the correlation on that one, but if you look close you see there is a pocket of white on both where essentially all the people are squished into cities.
Being depressed is not about having a problem or not. It's about being sad without a specific "normal" reason. You don't even wish to be happy and you don't want to change it, but still you are unhappy.. Far beyond logic thinking
>>28263872 its because you are in the most negative site on the internet, even if you are aware of the negative people all that misery, envy, resentment, etc starts wearing on you. funny this guy posted >>28264611 Sites like BB.com are cancer, all day watching halfnaked men and all those unrealistic expectations and body dysmorphia.
Now I realize all the heroes I admire didn't compare themselves to heroes in stories. They did their thing. They followed their path without wasting time watching movies, reading books and playing videogames.
Don't compare yourself. Have your own story. Disconnect and go your way.
>Don't work, or work for yourself >Don't get married, or marry someone you love >Don't have Children, or raise good kids >Don't follow fashion, there's a billion types of fashion, make your own >"Normal" >When is the last time someone told you to walk on the pavement? >Don't watch TV >Don't obey unjust laws, we all break dozens of laws by the time we're 20 >Save for later in life so you can enjoy
>>28267422 there is nothing wrong with the picture, it was made by some anarchist edgy kid, getting a good job and raising a good family is what makes a man. >>28267379 a place where everyone is more obsessed with making others feel inadequate than actually improve themselves can't be fixed. how many height, dick, etc threads can a human see without fucking his head. pic related, the average poster
>>28267335 fucking this. the instant I spend more than 5 minutes here I get sucked in and my life starts devolving to shit. I don't know why but 4chan kills any and all motivation I have to do anything. I just want to waste all my time here.
>>28264972 Depression is a weakness that exists to push us foward. The problem is people see it as an outside force that is in your power.
I was near suicidal and had to break my mind before I was happy. Im happy 90% of the time now but I had to deal with my emotions, accept I made myself that way.
Mu special illness mindset is like a cancer, it makes people who feel weak and powerless feel even more so. Life is suffering and you have to be strong, when you play guitar the first time it is hard, over time you get better and your brain gets better at it. Depression is the same you over think and make it a habit, each time you encounter the situation with this cancerous mindset you deal with the first time over and over again. You cascade into depression from your bad habits.
You have to suffer and use pain from a place of control to reprogram yourself. You may find you spend your time causing problems in the streets, trying to start fight, putting yourself in danger what ever it takes.
I was "depressed" for about 10 months this year, I didn't leave my room for days, failed both university semesters, and somehow joined a frat without getting laid a single time.
I looked up the symptoms for depression, I was "severe". I thought of going to a doctor, but all the doctor can do is ask questions - it's not a real medical diagnosis. They ask how you feel, if you keep giving shitty answers then you're "clinically depressed". Prescribed drugs (aside from my weed and alcohol addictions) were tempting, but what's the point if I have to alter my brain?
I started learning about Buddhism, and I feel like it was a complete turning point for me. Everyone feels pain, life - our very existance - is suffering.
This seems pessimistic, but it's actually very liberating. We as a society have this sick notion that you're SUPPOSED to be happy all the time - How absurd! We make people feel as if there is something wrong with them, that they can't act, if they feel sad or down at some point. They wonder why they feel that way, they look at everyone else seeming to have a great time and wonder why they can't.
Everyone suffers, the vast majority of life is boredom and sadness. It's when you embrace this that you can find happiness - I'm still trying to. Being mindful of your thoughts and emotions, realizing your thoughts and feelings are NOT YOU. They come, they go, they are as temporary as the entire world around you. In time the room you are sitting in, the computer you are looking at, the flesh and blood that is you will all have crumbled away into dust! An eternity of time stretches behind your birth, an eternity after your death, everything and everyone will soon return back into non-existence.
Except for your consciousness, the consciousness that is reading this right NOW. Your thoughts, your feelings, your body, your belongings, your ego - all temporary illusion. Embrace their existence, but hold no attachment, and you will be free
>>28267335 /fit/ aint that bad though. What really drags you the fuck down is /r9k/. I was having a really good day feeling good for no real reason, get bored and go on there, 5 minutes later I feel like absolute shit again. Fuck this I will never go there again.
Every CBT is filled with people who have nice bodies being called "SKELETON," "DYEL" or other shit. Every problem is answered with an insult from some deluded neckbeard who considers himself a "man" and likes to give "tough love" on the internet thinking it'll motivate somebody. Everyone wants to talk like they're tough and look down on others.
>>28267919 Most try, but the retarded "tough love" schtick I mentioned makes everyone feel like shit at the end of the day anyway. The guy works out for months, starts feeling ok, posts here, everyone calls him a faggot, skeleton and talks about his gyno. I'm not even mad or anything since I never posted my body on /fit/, I just hate this shitty attitude. Worst part is, they think this is legit motivation, as if talking down on somebody will make them think "Heck no! I'll prove them wrong!" and not just feel bad.
>>28267981 It's the most depressing place you will ever find. The stereotype is that people there are all 25 y/o kissless neckbeard virgins, in reality they are completely average looking guys who have absolutely 0 self confidence so they get no girls. But instead of fixing their various problems, they just go on /r9k/ and cry about everything they can find, mostly women and society. Whenever you give them advice, they either tell you to fuck off cause you're a "normalfag" or completely ignore it.
So basically, people that have given up on life and come there to cry about it.
>>28263872 I think a lot of what is misdiagnosed as depression is really just a fear of failure and taking risks. Remember, up until maybe 50 years ago, it was a lot more common to just drop off the grid and restart somewhere. Also, it was harder to go to prison, and people weren't so scared to hire ex-cons. I think a lot of young men feel like they've failed at life, and I think that nowadays, it's at least perceived that you really can't work your way back, if that makes any sense
Of course, all of this has pretty much always been true for black dudes Nowadays, though, white guys are feeling the pinch
>>28268027 Because I don't participate in the threads I mentioned, maybe? As I said, I don't post on CBT, so it doesn't affect me personally. And yes, it is, and encouraging this shit is very dumb. There's no difference between saying "eat more" and "LOL HUNGRY SKELETON THANK YOU" except one is an insult for no reason. Which is even funnier when you consider a good portion of /fit/ doesn't even actually lift.
>>28267995 I never looked at it like that, but it's true. But people who post their body here must know what they are facing when they do it, I mean /fit/ will always find a way to insult your gains even if you're the rock or something. Why would they think anything else would happen?
I am depressed because I have an under bite. Its not noticeable but i avoid talking because it requires much more effort to properly pronounce words when compared with a normal bite... tbh its really changed me as a person. I wasn't depressed at all until my bite became like this...I hate who I've become I just want to fast forward to the day I have the surgery. But that can't happen. So the depression will linger for a couple more years...
>>28268106 I think it's kind of like "I'm feeling like I've made progress and I want to show it to somebody." Obviously the results can be bad, it's the internet, but I don't see the point in being unnecessarily harsh.
People who say they get motivated by this miss the fact that it's bad motivation. It's not "cool, I've done good, gonna do more good!" It's more like "oh my god, I look like a piece of shit, better work out like crazy." And then no matter what you do, there'll be someone telling you you look DYEL as fuck and you'll always push yourself but never feel good with your distorted body image. There's no healthy motivation in being nasty.
>>28265220 That's not even the worst of it. By my area Asian ladies in their 70s and 80s picking up bottles and cans in trash to try to make a living. They don't understand a single bit of English. And right next to this 70s year old Asian lady picking up trash we have these 2 girls in their mid 20s asking for money while this old Asian lady is picking up bottles and cans. Unfuckingbelivable.
>feminism poisoning the mind of girls and telling them all men are rapists >mra/mgtow poisoning the mind of men and telling them all women are whores >social media, facebook where everybody have perfect lives >entitlement of millenials, there are a lot of jobs available but all they want to start as CEOs >destruction of family >making aberrations acceptable, bronies, otakus, gays would get their shit beaten 30 years ago
>>28268606 Not all women are whores, but there are a lot more of them then there were in the past cause no matter what a girl does, it's socially acceptable. You can fuck around all you want and almost no one cares.
>>28264812 Do a clean bulk, with a surplus of around 400 kCal, and aim for a lb of mass gain a week. If you're consistent with your training, diet and recovery, you can expect at least a 50/50 ratio of lean mass/fat gain (which is a lean bulk).
>>28268722 >people that are happy like 95% of the time you are too young or too stupid. people lie all the time, men I know bragging about their business and a few days later asking me to borrow 20 bucks, people in debt with a brand new car. its all appareances, fuck this is an ANNONYMOUS board and how many 5'9'' guys call otther manlets just to feel superior for a moment, remember the average dick here is 8''
>>28268829 Hmm.. Maybe you're right. I'm not too young. I mean, I don't know what you'd call young. I'm 20. But I do know people that go by through life quite content and happy with how things are. Where is I just see the worst in almost everything. I try to improve myself by laughing.
It's always been rampant, but before simply deemed "melancholy" or aggressiveness, and many of these conditions and social tensions are just now coming to the surface as we learn about ourselves. However, nowadays, with the dehumanizing fact of industrial society, the pollution of the human environment and food with chemicals that fuck up hormones, and a functionalist view of the world that so pervades the modern world (specifically the USA), people are living in a hell of stress and tribalist conflict with no sense of community. One must reach out to his/her fellow man to.connect and create family and heal, that's what is wrong.
>>28268606 >>28268673 >bronies, otakus, gays and other degenerates doing what they like is whats making me depressed! Its all their fault! >its the feminists fault I dont have a qt 50s housewife! Lol fuck off /pol/
Put Robin williams on some dat dere testosterona and you have a happy man with a rugged diamond for a cock
Theres a reason test is so rabidly illegal, but turn on the tv during any football game and you'll get a dozen different commercials for a dozen different anti depressants which may or may not cause you to feel more depressed and or even work
Because life sucks but you have people who watch all these reality shows and social media seeing how they think their lives should be instead of just living a life but don't worry theirs a pill for that
So that's why coming to this shithole makes me feel like garbage. Reading about other people feeling sad and being assholes actually does affect how you feel even if you dont take what they say to heart?
>>28265210 I hate that 40 hours per week with 15 paid days off per year with shitty benefits is fabulous. When I was a kid, I thought the idea of working 8 hours a day must have been excruciating. Now I'm to the point where I don't even notice it. I worked 60 hour weeks just to pay my way through college. God, adult life is depressing. The fact that it demands complacency makes it even worse.
>>28270068 >facts Yes, it is a fact that people like stupid shit like MLP and animu, how may I ask does this cause depression in others/you? >implying more than .1% of the female population give a shit about feminism A never-ending stream of news about people getting murdered and planes getting shot down and all sorts of shit, but the reason people are depressed is because homosex and autism is tolerated and a fat bitch with rockabilly glasses writes shit on tumblr?
I honestly think it has something to do with the processed and GM foods that make up 90% of the western diet. All kinds of funky shenanigans are starting to emerge about that.
One thing in particular is that GMO soy, something found in damn near everything you buy that isnt raw (seriously just grab the ingredients of anything around you and look at them. You will see Soy or Soy lecithin in it). It contains the lignans thar aren't estrogen, but they behave the same way estrogen does in the body and even bonds the same way. It's quite possible that it's the reason why so many guys are bitches these days.
Notice how after you stopped eating junk and started making your own shit from scratch, the bitch in you left? Yeah, might have something to do with it.
Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the “power process.” This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy [...]
Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. [...]
Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.
[I]n order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.
In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave.
You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.
Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
Because of facebook, smartphones, and headphones. Nobody under 40 talks with anybody else anymore. Music or their facebook wall are more important than anything else to people now days. And they can't figure out why they're lonly.
That and there's nothing to fight for. If you don't have a reason to live and keep fighting, you're gonna get depressed. Lack of discapline, external and internal. Harder you push yourself into line, the less depressed you'll get.
/fit/, I dare you, for one day, to turn off your computer, hide your smartphone and headphones, and permanently disable facebook and never fucking touch 4chan again. You'll suffer withdrawl before you just snap and start actually doing shit with your life.
>>28263872 In my option a major contributor is this now mentality, everyone wants their goals and dreams to come true but no one wants to work for it. Everything needs to be instant or they should just be given it instead, think about it how addicted to Facebook and Twitter people are, its nothing but instant gratification. Its why all these diet fads talk about getting results in 30 days, yet the things that matter take time, weeks, months, hell years to accomplish and that's why people get depressed. We're being condition to expecting things to just happen and it's creeping into our subconscious like a cancer and making us depressed when things don't happen quick enough. The pursuit of happiness is just that a pursuit, not a waiting game, and the pursuit sometimes takes time and people just aren't willing to stick to it any more. So you fail and that also makes us sad putting in the effort to have it come to nothing. Yet that's life sometimes the best we haven't isn't enough that doesn't mean to give up, it just means to come at it from a different angel, or see where you dropped off at and work harder for it. I used to be on antidepressants and I'll never go on them again cause now I can actually see what makes me happy and I will not be content with being just OK, balanced out, I'll purse my happiness even if it runs me into the ground.
>>28271248 I'm just saying. It works. I only follow local comunities on social media now days. Popped in from /cgl/ to see what's happening on my old homeboard. Still manlet threads and /r9k/ leakage I see.
-Bad diets -Sedentary lifestyles -Bombarded with meaningless information at all waking moments -Compare yourself to other people constantly with social media -Have your dopamine receptors fried from years of video games and pornography and etc. how do you expect to enjoy a walk in the park ?
>>28263872 >>28263872 what's prevalent in the modern world is not unhappiness in the classical sense, as in discontent, but rather apathy and feelings of inadequacy. people aren't receiving what they assumed they'd receive when they were younger, because it's impossible in the modern world for everyone to be a CEO or NBA player or celebrity.
most people are just ants among 7 billion, living on middle class ranches (suburbs), doing their menial tasks and failing to live a fulfilling life. before the internet the world was "mystical" as >>28263889 said it, and people had important roles, small communities and a slower lifestyle people were closer to nature and each other.
I recommend reading some of ted kaczynski's manifesto. and there's a philosopher whose name I forget out there that covers this topic... he was Italian, that's all I remember.
Anything that you feel constantly, you will adapt to, it will become your baseline.
If you are some happy-go-lucky fag 100% of the time then it will be your baseline. You won't really feel "HAPPY" you'll just feel normal. But I suppose you'll appear happy.
Happiness is your brain rewarding/encouraging you to do something that is important for your survival. If you are experiencing something all the time then your brain doesn't need to encourage it, and you don't feel happy.
>>28271505 I find it so funny when people on /fit/ ALWAYS go to low test. Do you even understand how uncommon of an occurrence that is in young males? I'd assume you're anemic before low test.
>fat stored on hips genetics >cloudy memory depression/anemia/you don't fucking do anything interesting seriously tell me what you do thats interesting. If you went skydiving you'd fucking remember that >always unhappy anemia/depression >constantly irritated depression and anemia again buddy >no facial hair the big G, genetics you ass hat.
>>28267335 I quit for lent this year. 40 days no /fit/ no problem. But I wanted to come back, why? I felt lonely being off of it, it's almost like the people here are so much like me it's just a fantasy place. I have a hard time thinking people in normal life have similar struggles to me, so how can I feel comforted if I'm lost and confused via isolation? It's not so easy to just not come back here
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You guys will know me better than anyone else I know. And that's only because you guys don't know me.
Hear this from a guy who cracked through that social anxiety, that awkward phase, dated several girls by now, got through Uni and now works a well-paying job with pretty good benefits (I know I'm basically boasting but I want this to illustrate my next point):
I will always want to come back here. Most of who I "am" is some derivation of this place. Nowhere else will be as comforting a place to be in as this place. Except maybe a pussy, but that's transient and ever-changing and subject to a terrible thing called mood. Or money. And that (by which I mean both things) makes me happy.
>>28263889 >People getting constantly hammered with fabulous shit on facebook and twitter which makes people think they need to have celebrity lifestyles to be important, also lack of jobs and a general demystification of the world that has happened with the internet
* Decades of media and advertising leaving people with the impression that their lives should be comparable to what they see on TV.
* Obsession with HAPPINESS instead of SATISFACTION.
Satisfaction leads to a feeling of fulfillment and, ultimately, happiness. All we do is obsess with how little we have, and mindlessly pursue 'happiness'. Ironically, almost none of us will ever be happy doing this.
>>28264737 >Own a computer? There is no excuse to not be the next Bill Gates.
Bill Gates was in the right place, at the right time, and had the right environment.
He was in a wealthy neighborhood, where the parents got together and paid to rent time on a mainframe. I honestly doubt you can even imagine the time he lived in. The resources he had available to him, compared to the peers of his day, were absolutely stunning. Add to this that he came from successful parents, and had been in therapy since, I don't remember, the age of eight or something, and he was very, very much in a position to succeed.
Right place, right time, AND the right intellect and approach. You cannot ignore the place and time factor.
Look at Mark Zuckerberg. Facebook wasn't really at all innovative. The closest thing to innovation it provided was a cleaner interface, thanks to disallowing customization. Its advantage? It's single, sole advantage? Desirability thanks to exclusivity. The one and only reason Facebook succeeded is because it was limited to Ivy league kids. It was an exclusive club.
Hell, Facebook was utter shit for years. PHP written directly to production by schmucks with no idea what they were doing. ALL of Facebook's success is due to the environment in which it was conceived. Is Zuckerberg smart? Yes, very. Could any number of other people have created exactly the same service? Yes. Could others have created the same service WITH access to the same exclusivity? No, very few could have.
> Some 15 year old sold his app to Yahoo for 30 Million dollars a couple years back.
I guess you're talking about the 17 year old from England.
This is actually, by far, the most interesting example you've provided. The kid had initially demoed something similar at 15, a program that would trim articles into a brief summary. He may have been absolutely brilliant and invented an algorithm, or he may have just plugged in the right open-source library.
>>28263889 its only YOU who make it important, once you disrecard it, you start to feel better, but also other people will shit on you for being yourself, that is the time to be hostile towards them, ofc not like crazy hotile but insult them a bit and then forgive if they undetstand what they just did
>>28263872 Because people don't socialise anymore >inb4 facebook Let's say you're at a small gathering with 5 friends 3 of them are busy on facebook or other social media on their phones, looking down, half following the conversation and not really speaking unless spoken too, can you honestly say that this is social behaviour?
This is where depression from normalfags come from, a lack of social behaviour but the inability to recognize it because 'lel i am teh totally social look at all my online networking'
For NEETs, it's the fact that they don't really do anything, always looking for someone to distract themsalves with because if you do nothing with your life and you give your mind time to think about your life you will find out you're not happy about your life
For anyone else, it could be a combination of the two, but it usually comes from these two things; A highly inactive social life or a very unproductive lifestyle
Because we are genetic betas, we are betas who should been tapered off the genetic pool via survival of the fittest and natural selection. Instead of dying as nature intended western civilization has developed a model where we survive by default. Make no mistake, the odds are stacked against us, only the weak suffer from depression, we are weak, it's in our genes, we are the betas that should have died, we are beats for life.
Depression is a life long state of reality for us, it is the consequence we suffer for simply surviving and knowing and/or choosing to ignore the fact that we are walking and talking abnormalities that should not be alive today.
>>28275085 If you are under 6 foot, if you cannot grow a beard, if you have trouble synthesising muscle mass as you lay dormant in your bed, if you have trouble with weight gain, if you don't have a narrow brow ridge, a wide jaw and a full thick set of hair, if you have trouble socializing, if you have issues with self confidence, if you have no idea what you want to do in life, if you are not financially independent, if you haven't moved out of home, if you're sad and depressed you are a genetic beta and you were not meant to survive. You are a proto type, an early version who failed basis tests, a bugged demo, etc. You exists only to support the thriving successful alpha species of human. You are sub human and you will fail at life.
There are numerous reasons, some obvious, others under the surface. A strongly recurrent theme is drugs. A lot of people misuse and abuse drugs -- even cannabis -- and throw their brains and biochemistry off rhythm. This is often a cause of persistent depression and anxiety. Make running or any other cardio and meditation a part of your regular lifestyle and your depression and mental disorders can be largely alleviated -- even cured. But this should be coupled with drug and alcohol avoidance or tight moderation of it. ascendexistence.com/running-and-meditation-the-only-drugs-you-need
>>28264621 That means nothing when you're counting mexicans and blacks. If you're gonna compare the USA to European countries with European populations, it only makes sense to compare the US citizens of European heritage.
OP here. I was bummed out, but after some thinking I see the constant exposure to all these "expectations" isn't good for me. Take /fit/, for example.
In my circles I'm the strong guy. People I know were mirin' left and right how much mass I gained. Now if I come to /fit/ and post a photo in a CBT, I'm simply a DYEL fuck. The Internet and television opened up this dam of information on how other people live their lives and this is fucking us up. We see these "alphas" with bodybuilder bodies, square jaws, expensive cars and 11/10 girlfriends and we want to become like them, for some reason.
I watched too many movies and played too many videogames while I grew up. I wanted to become like my heroes. To be alpha. To be the protagonist. But I'm not them and they are not me. I will be the protagonist of my own story. I will stop comparing myself. I'll be the big fish in the small pond. This kind of ignorance is bliss. We are tribal animals. We can't be global citizens or global alphas. Our brains are not wired for this.
As I said, be more local. Get out of the Internet, stop wanking to those digital women, don't spend hours watching other peoples lives on Facebook. Look at your own family, friends and tribe. Limit your exposure to the outside world. Be content. We live in a time and place our ancestors could only dream of. Running water, abundance of food, security.
Be fucking grateful. Get out of /fit/ and go lay outside, feel the warmth of the sun in your face. The Internet is just a tool, do not make it the whole of your life.
>>28276596 >Now if I come to /fit/ and post a photo in a CBT, I'm simply a DYEL fuck. That's because /fit/ is a bunch of grown men who behave like teenage girls. they are catty, they are jealous and they want you to fail. People on here think that 7fit/ is the only ally they have in their autistic existence, but that's a mistake. /fit/ is the enemy.
>we want to become like them, for some reason. Because /fit/ made you autistic, so you become narcisstistic and think "I am the best, why am I not the best, I need to be the best!" And keep in mind that the people who advise you to become like this cannot even get a girlfriend and see it as a heroic feat to leave their basements for grocery shopping without shitting themselves from anxiety.
Society, advertisement, TV, the Internet, whatever, made this guy's expectations so fucking high that even with all this shit he supposedly has, he can't get a fucking girlfriend. Elliot Rodger was the same. I'm also guilty of this shit from time to time.
>>28270232 >shift from manufacturing to service based economy >shift from export to banking center of the world How is that chart disturbing? Of course it'd look like that given the change in standing of the USA through the century.
>>28270232 Good point. However, I think there is more to it.
The standard diet has become progressively worse due to lobbying. That matters because before I god my diet in order I felt completely different. Once I started to get it right, it was like a permanent pain had been lifted from me. I believe most people are in constant non-specified physical pain at all times. People can't sleep or focus well, they procrastinate and oveerreact to small stressors.
There is no culture or community or even a value structure for people to follow. Now all we have is shit that has been sold to us, modern gods created by media. There is no one you can rely upon except maybe family, and there is no purpose nor is there a hope for a better tomorrow.
>>28263910 No, we are meant to be strong. Happiness is nature telling you that you are doing something worthwhile. Of course, if you have no value structure or anyone you care about, all you have is suffering.
>>28275085 But women are depressed too. Infact more than men. Women's social hierarchy is different and there is very little selection pressure for them. So this claim makes no sense.
>>28275217 I think drugs are a symptom of a larger problem. For a lot of people they make the pain go away or make them feel normal for a while. A healthy human is no in pain nor sluggish and constantly stressed.
>>28263872 my theory is that people don't do satisfying work any more. most jobs are grinds that people suffer through just to get a paycheck. you'll never be happy/satisfied in that situation. fulfillment comes from performing actions for their own sake, not for the associated rewards. cultural and societal changes are luring more and more people away from that fulfillment, even though its easy to obtain.
>from attachment (to fruits of action) desire arises, from desire comes anger, from anger complete delusion, from delusion bewilderment of memory, from memory loss comes loss of intelligence
>>28276924 That is also very true, but it has always been like that. No matter what people say, JOBS SUCK. get it ? that is why they are called a JOB. not a hobby. Just grind it thru and don't think too much of it.
>>28276947 true, jobs and work in general have been the same forever. the difference is the mindset of the worker. it's much more common today for someone to have lofty desires and that leads to them feeling like they're being shorted somehow, that they aren't getting what they deserve. in reality, the only guaranteed reward for a job well done is a job well done. if you want something more then you should seek it directly. a lot of people expect their desires to be fulfilled automatically and without direct effort, when in reality they might not even meet their goals with concentrated effort. I think the fear of failure also plays a role in this
>>28273620 >defending child abuse fuck you man, my parents used to beat me for no fucking reason when I was a kid because my dad was going through depression and my mom is just nuts. >tfw inherit psychological traits from parents fuck I don't want to be a depressed fat crazy cat lady
I come to /fit/ and I see the strongest and smartest men who ever lived ... I see so much potential and I see it squandered.....the middle children of history fighting a spritual war with our depressing lives..... raised by women and captivated with chasing a life with a gf ,massive gains and a great job.....yadayadayada......
>>28277037 there's a huge difference between spanking and child abuse. the pain should not be the deterrent, but the transfer of your disapproval into a physical action. if you use a harsh tone and barely pat a child on the ass they'll still cry and it will stick in their memory as a stressful event. that's how they learn
Y'know I used to agree with this but: http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2014-12893-001/
Parents who use spanking overestimate its' effectiveness and underestimate how much they use it. I think that spanking could potentially work, but apparently most parents can't be trusted to enact it properly.
>>28268109 I have a fear of public speaking. because of this I also have a slightly speech impediment problem. I tend to talk to fast when I get excited, so by the time I'm done talking I'm always all out of breath. People have told me it's no big deal, but it still fucks my self esteem.
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