Post pics of naturals who are close to their natural limits
don't know how close this guy is but it looks nice in any case
newfagging this hard
i knew it was a poorly thought out 'troll'. i didnt get baited, i just hate it when people spread disinfo and never get called out on it. theres a lot of noobs lurking who actually believe that shit
I'm honestly not sure the twins are natty anymore.
Been a subscriber for probably around 4-5 years now and they always made linear, solid natty gains.
In the last 6-8 months they just blew up, especially when they started cutting.
Of course most of it is just visual trickery by them going lower in bf% and striations becoming more visible, but i still think that they got bigger in general which should not be possible during a cut. Maybe I'm wrong though.
I think they might've hopped on something. Nothing too harsh like actual test or tren or anything. Probably some prohormones or shit.
>I don't think the twins are natty anymore because <logical reasons>
THEY ARE FULL NATTY BECAUSE THEY SAID SO
>Of course most of it is just visual trickery by them going lower in bf% and striations becoming more visible, but i still think that they got bigger in general which should not be possible during a cut. Maybe I'm wrong though.
So does luimarco.
In here he gets ripped and diced to the socks and gained a substantial amount of muscle as well in four months.
They are natty. It's just good genetics.
this is actually me. pic related
i loled. 3/10.
if they weren't already on something, pretty sure they hopped on the jooze for this photoshoot
and he is 100% drug free because....he says so?
Nigger do you understand how a cut works? You eat less. There's less energy available. There's no resources for your body to grow bigger.
= you don't grow bigger, simple as that.
Plus a cut will alway make you lose some of the muscle you have. Natty cuts will have a ratio of 1/4-1/5 muscle loss to fat loss.
You don't ever grow bigger during a cut because it's not possible. No genetic advantage can achieve that.
The only thing that can achieve that is a more efficient protein synthesis -> that is induced by taking anabolic steroids like testosterone.
That guy you posted sure as hell didn't grow that muscle during a natty cut. The guy's been using gear but you're too retarded to get it.
>he said he's natty
I can tell you I'm natty and I just had my last injection two days ago. Doesn't make that statement true.
Hodgetwins havent been natty for the last year. I dont see why people still fall for this shit. Theyre nearly fucking 40 yet they're getting leaner and bigger. You don't get that ability at 40, you dont get that ability at 20. 'GENETICS' isnt an excuse you can use, they dont give you superhuman powers that defy physics.
You telling that the guy pictured here >>27223850
is not natty? Seriously he is like 5'10 and 170 pounds in that pic. Clearly a natural. Doesn't have the Photoshop look and looks completely flat. His traps and delts are also small compared to fake naturals like the Hodgetwins. If compared he will look a lot smaller.
Luimarco is natural. Hodgetwins completely not natural.
Confirmed for noob in the lifting world. Go bust your ass consistently for 7 years, eat a mostly clean bulking diet as well and get your squat to 4 plate, deadlift to 4 plate and bench to 3 plate and then come back and give advice on if they're natty or not.
It doesn't matter whether he's a manlet or not and it doesn't matter how he looks compared to the hodgetwins.
He's not natty because he apparently gained a fuckton of muscle during a 4(?) month cut that brought him down somewhere around 10% bodyfat. Manlet or not, you don't gain muscle during a cut.
If you wanna bring the recomp card, then that's not possible either because you don't lose ~20lbs on a 200kcal deficit in four months.
The only way he could've pulled it off is with DNP or with actual anabolic substances while cutting hard.
>They are full natty. They said it themselves.
>That’s why we don’t think Lance Armstrong should lose his medals and we aren’t even fans of him. The idea, however, of taking the medals of one guy for doing what everybody else did too is laughable and yet perfectly suits the sick and twisted world we’ve been living in since the dawn of time.
>You can never expect that the mainstream authorities will do the right thing because they’ve been proving day after day that they don’t want to do the right thing. Actually, the whole concept of authority itself is built upon lies. How on earth did some people gain the right to rule over others for centuries?
>They do it because they can get away with it and there’s nobody to stop them. After all, we are all too busy looking killer discounts in the mall.
The amount of conspiracy theory in that website is /pol/ tier.
He seems to say the truth though.
elliott already admitted that he tried tren once. There's no mystery about that.
The only question is if he's been on ever since, and he honestly doesn't look THAT big compared to others that are (blasting and) cruising.
>He's not natty because he apparently gained a fuckton of muscle during a 4(?) month cut that brought him down somewhere around 10% bodyfat.
>He thinks luimarco gained muscle on that cut
If you look closely he clearly lost a lot of muscle on that cut. Also
>Conclusion: The physique of Luimarco can be achieved naturally without the abuse of illegal substances.
He's been lifting for 15+ years as well. If you have that body and say you have been lifting for even 10+ years, people will laugh because guys who lift 5+ years will beat him. With dat dere celltech of course.
The HT are a channel viewed almost exclusively by people that barely lift, get no results and are dumb as fuck. They get no results from their "lifting" but they want to look big, they think the HT have some special diet or routine that gets them as big as they are (and they know it's all natural because they say so) and they want to learn. They watch to be like them because nobody looks upto someone that isn't highly impressive right? Fuck pro trainers and PHD doctors, "if you ain't big you ain't shit!".
The day they say "we use roids" they will lose like 1/4 of their viewers overnight, who will then become haters because their idols lied to them.
It's also illegal, which could get them arrested and their channel could be shut down.
Almost everyone that you look to on YT that you think is impressive is drugged, to think otherwise is fucking stupid. Do you know how well these fucking drugs work or how annoying it is to constantly get remarks that you aren't impressive, you aren't growing and aren't inspirational?
The thing that cracks me up is the people that argue they are all natty, furious pete? NATTY BRO, Eliot? Natty! HT, NATTY!
Even faggots like Kali, you get people claiming it. It's fucking hilarious how stupid people are.
>nattyornot says he's natty
>therefore he is
this is just as bad as
>luimarco says he's natty
>therefore he is
Here I go again for you, you DENSE MOTHERFUCKER:
HE. FUCKING. GAINED. MUSCLE. DURING. A. CUT.
nattyornot is wrong with luimarco, he is clearly not a natty. other than that i agree lots of things on the site
He is near 40 and well into the muscle decline period, he does not compete so cheating is not an issue, he makes videos on youtube for a living. Youtube is a place where being out of shape is not acceptable for a fitness channel.
Do you really think he is natural given the things I posted above?
ITT: Uninformed lazy lifters who thinks this is the natty limit, 5'11 and 140 pounds.
You'll never amount to anything.
>I agree with Jeff not natty but Chris and Matt are somewhat natty or probably taking smaller dosages.
I absolutely guarantee you he's not bigger than me. I'm not mad. I've been on testosterone for almost 3 years now with one blast a year. I'm not natural and neither do I claim to be. Also I have about 6 inches in height on the guy and over 50lbs in weight. I'm not at his bf% but I'm not competing and I'm around 12% at the moment.
The only thing that makes me mad is faggots like you believing everything those youtubers shove down our throats.
He is training for 15+ years
He does not make money on YouTube as you can see he barely has any ads.
Also look closer he looks flat when his around 8% or so bodyfat. He has one of the best diets out there.
Do people tend to ignore the complete asymmetrical gap between this guy's pecs? I have the same and was wondering if it bothers anyone that much once you get relatively shredddded.
Larry Scott is already on his natural limit as well.
Completely natty. His bodyfat percentage never went down to "steroid" levels.
You actually believe youtubers get their money only from ads? you're a fucking moron.
Every single youtuber that passes a certain number of subscribers gets paid by views you moron. You get money for every 100k views you have on your videos. Not a single ad needed.
Ever seen a single ad on Nigahigas channel? On Jenna Marbles channel? On any other youtubers channel?
Ever seen their houses?
They're all paid by views you mongrel.
Same goes for calum! Also completely natural as his bodyfat level never went down to steroid levels
I hear that Rich Piranha guy is also natty despite claiming he's roiding. He's just not on steroid bf% levels
>he still thinks this average body is not achievable natty
U mad you have to inject all those poisons in your body to achieve an aesthetic physique
He channel is monestised, they get $4 per thousand views (whether the ad shows or not).
He has 3 channels, his main one has 81 million views on it, at $4 per 1k work it out.
They also make money lots of other ways like selling t shirts, supplement sponsors, channel advertising with interviews etc.
He was into pro football when he was younger, where he won a ton of awards and shit.
He was on them then, he increased the dosage and went back to a maint dose, which he is still on.
Why would he not be on them? If you can state a good reason he would not use them maybe it's a valid argument.
Steroids make it vastly easier and they let you compete with someone half your age. He is 36 or so and competes and beats people that are 20-24.
The only natty physique in this thread.
inb4 dat dere Pepsi
>not sure if just too many naive new-fags or trolls... well you new fags will learn within 10 years how far natural bb will get you =)
>not sure if just too many naive new-fags or trolls... well you new fags will learn within 10 years how far natural bb will get you =)
Then post a picture of what do you think is the natty limit.
if you look closely, everbody has asymmetry to some extent. many people have zipper abs, one delt bigger than the other (because throwing sports like football and baseball), one shoulder resting higher than the other, dominant arm bigger, etc... so no pec asymmetry doesn't bother 90% of people unless you have it yourself
imo of course
>tfw he probably has one of the shittest body in the WWE roster but he has a better life than most if not all of them
Confirmed for having an aesthetic body shouldn't be the priority.
Have a great career outside lifting. Have hobbies outside lifting.
Taylor kitsch, been lifting for about a decade is one of the only true Natty's in Hollywood. Him and maybe Ben stiller
>into pro football
as in he had an interest in it? he never made it past college playing football
and as for the rest of your comment, that's why i said it's a good question... notice in my original comment i said when he ADMITTED to using tren. like you said he could have just upped the dose... fucking reading comprehension do you even literate? lel
You think that because you haven't put enough years of sweat and tears into lifting.
It looks attainable because it's natty dumbass. Your body doesn't just continue to gain muscle forever. You hit a limit that your hormone levels can maintain and that's it for you. This usually occurs ( if you've been lifting and eating right) within five years.
Don't fall for the "I trained hours everyday" crap Hollywood says to cover up their lies about being on steroids. We all should know you don't build muscle in the gym you actually destroy it. And the body becomes catabolic after about 60-90 mins of working out
Nobody uses tren as a first or even second cycle. So admitting to tren is admitting to years of steroid abuse.
Elliot is that nigger that does steroids for three months, comes off for two where he says he's natty (technically durin that time I guess you are) and then hops back on.
All these "fitness" gurus are faggots parroting shit they heard from someone else and are juicing to look better than you to convince you to give them money or attention.
If these faggots admitted they weren't natty nobody would care about them anymore
come on here looking for fitness advice? Fuck off mate even if you train 10 years you will not get a lean muscular body if that is your goal because you gotta be on roids for that. Oh your body isnt lean and you are just big but are strong? Nope roids to, to not be on roids you must be average at everything or maybe even a little above. Old time bodybuilders and strong men? sandow? nope roids.
why do these threads always start with people posting unnatty physiques for laughs, and end with people actually believing that a lot of the images are natural?
you do not get huge overnight on steroids, you still need a lot of time
>that's totally achievable in two years
>you just gotta train seriously and have your diet right man
It isn't. If you're a hambeast you can appear to have gained muscle while losing fat but you can't so both at the same time.
So many noobs on this site.
Let's make this simple, to lose fat you have to spend more calories than you take in. To gain muscle you have to eat more calories than you expend. Do the math. Numbers never lie
Going from 126 to 190 at 12 percent bodyfat in 7 years is bad progress? Ok mate, I've progressed more than 90 percent of fit users. I'm trying to give people real world advice not blowing smoke up your ass while hiding in a closet and juicing like these fitness gurus you fags worship
No thats great, but you can still maintain that. You can keep that up well into middle age and then when you post your body in here you will get a bunch of teens or early 20 guys who think they have been into fitness a long time cus they have lifted 1 year tell you that you are on roids.
I see your point, but having been around juicers for five years I know the difference and it's sad when these kids are being manipulated by liars for financial gain. Just look at a muscle magazine and look at the ads. 300 pound dudes claiming they got that big on protein and pre workout. Too kek
Granted he didn't give his height, but still
what's far more likely than roids accusations is everyone replying "lol that's 7 years you could've gotten those results in 1.5 years!"
almost everyone on this fucking board has no sense of time for natty bodybuilding
>You're the faggot trying to discredit my advice.
1. claims to be better than 90% of /fit/
2. makes up scenario where I try to discredit his advice (the actual scenario was I wanted to see your progress) because he's paranoid
suit yourself m8
My natty limit. 190 12 % bf and 7 years lifting. 6 foot tall. Now what about you homo?
one nipple on the titties
one nipple on the streets
I can't think of a single reason that someone who makes their money off their body, where they will never be tested would be natural. Can anyone name one good reason?
Calling yourself natural is a marketing tool for more views, like saying free range on eggs or organic on vegetables. It's a brand, and one that isn't tested or verified in any way.
Why would they be natural when steroids are widespread and have amazing results mean so much?
Daily reminder that natural strength limits for men come at ages 28-31.
don't throw in the towel early you faggots
Luke Guldan is all over Men's Fitness magazine. Was always curious if he's all natural.
Hodge Twins look pretty natural bro. You got to remember, they've been working out hard for like a decade now, and even though they're bodies are great there's still obvious "flaws".
That fucker is like 11/10 in looks but sadly he's not natty, not crazy doses, it's unlikely his skin and hair would look so good if he went over the top. Probably mostly deca and anavar.
>squat more than deadlift
>allso baby weights
HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF NATTYMAX?
Why take roids when you can look like this natural?
Honestly though, he looks the same in those 2 pics. It's just lighting and angles. He may have cut a little but he's damn close
And you have to remember that they don't have proportional legs like most guys would that would use up some of those gains.
And they've said before that they're on beta-blockers
How to tell if natty or not in a priority
1. Look at age
2. Look at LBM
3. Look at how long the guy has been training and his stats
4. Look at comparable physiques thats admitted to steroid use (nattyornot.com)
5. Look at leanness compared to size
The main reason you can tell if someone is natty is to look at their fucking age. If someones 18-20 and fucking huge, you know whats up. I dont care if youve been training since youre 14, you wont get huge. How lean you can get is also highly due to genetics, but obviously if someones shredded to the bone with decent mass theres some owls in the moss.
Also top lel at everyone who thinks fitness models like >>27226040 cant be natty. Do you realize the fucking huge amount of lighting work and photoshop they dump on these photos? I bet you the guy looks nothing like that in reality if you told him to pull his shirt off in public.
youre fucking stupid. firstly, hes not huge. secondly, he probably was bigger in the left pic muscle wise than the right one, but you get one hell of an effect when you start leaning down. you could probably put on about 5-8kg more muscle on the guy on the left and the right one would still look "bigger" because of the effect leaning down gives you. I have a friend whos 67kg at 182cm, absolutely shredded but dyel as fuck and he looks pretty "big" if he takes a pic with downlighting and the guy barely benches 1plate
>be a fitness model
>gets a phonecall for work the next day, be ready
>fuck man, I'm on a bulk right now.
>no problem, we will get someone else.
vs on juice
>I'm ready, ery day is best day for me!
>photoshop? no even once, I'm already photoshopped.
>fitness model comes in.
>photographer says to agent, this guy looks shit compared to the guy we had yesterday. Don't use this guy again, gonna cost a fortune to photoshop this shitter compared to 99c for the guy on all kinds of shit to look amazing in the flesh.
I'm not sure about John. While has a fucking stacked personal gym and is fucking determined to lift (look at how quick he started lifting again after his most recent surgery), I'm sure he's juiced before.
A 23-year-old bodybuiler who spends £400 a month on anabolic steroids has revealed how he cannot live without them - despite suffering a cyst bigger than a tennis ball.
Carpet fitter Oli Smith, of Halesowen, West Midlands, claims the potentially-deadly steroids help him have sex until he ‘passes out’, and he can bench-press almost 5st more than his body weight.
The guy that died was someone else, who also looked like shit.
You dont even need to bulk and cut when youre a fitness model faggot, leangains works and has research to back it up and you typically become a fitness model AFTER youve made your gains
>bulking and cutting is way to make gains.
You can get way more shredded than that in a much shorter amount of time by simply doing HIIT. People these days assume that when someone is "shredded" that they had to use drugs to get there. No, you can get shredded and retain all of your muscle mass by simply incorporating HIIT.
No, just the ones that rival professional bodybuilders of the old (aesthetic) times. If that's not a compelling argument then what is? Link me to a "nattyornot" judgment you think is false. I've just read a whole bunch and the main argument is always the comparison to a professional bodybuilder who was known to be on roids. And that's airtight. There is no way someone could now get to a size that noone on Earth managed to get to without roids for decades of body building. Routines haven't changed that dramatically.
HE'S NOT WITH HER CUZ SHE'S 10/10
HE'S WITH HER CUZ SHE CAN TAKE A MEAN POUNDING
This article has some examples of guys at their maximum muscular potential as "Natty" lifters
Thanks for posting this, anon. I was looking for this pic to post.
The thing is, even these guys are abusing drugs like insulin at the very least.
I do think you can get bigger though if you didn't also have to be like 6% bf. Cutting that hard really makes maintaining muscle a challenge.
This is the natural limit
5'9 @ 180 pounds ~7% bodyfat.
You can probably add 2-3 pounds to that if you gain more mass in the chest area but this is clearly natty. Anything bigger is using drugs.
I can't wait to see fronk at the end of his cut this year. he's been bulkin for 2 years since this picture was taken. I saw a post where he said he expects 10-15 lbs more muscle at the same bf as this pic
Sandow mode is my goal. He made me realize that you don't need gear to get joocy delts.
I only wish that I found out about him before I started lifting. My chest is already too big and I with it would atrophy.
yes, that's what I'm doing. What made you think I wasn't greatly reducing my chest work, you blithering idiot?
Wanna know how I know you're an outlander?
its flaccid you fucking shit troll. Plus he's right, the more muscular you are the smaller you dick will appear.
>implying you can tell how big it actually is by how big it is flaccid. My dick is 7" and it seriously changes sizes a LOT. I actually sometimes wonder wtf is going on. But flaccid I doubt u'd ever be able to tell.
>muh grower not a shower
>muh shower not a grower
>test levels back then were in the 2000+ levels
I hope you're trying to ruse me. There was no way of measuring testosterone levels back then. I'm not even sure if they knew about testosterone.
haven't bothered to update it for a while