CP derby shine alternatives?

>omg, cp, so minimalist
but they have those shitty numbers on the sides...
>SO MINIMAL

>>9241444
alden or carmina

red wing if you must have that gay ass wedge sole

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>>9241487
actually, meh on the wedge sole, but really want the natural welt

pic related trickers x superdenim seems great but no longer available

>>9241466
shut up. that tacky golden serial number looks like shit.

>>9241512
that was my point.

>>9241516
you can rub the numbers off with your finger in case you didn't know

>>9241444
>>9241466
>>9241512

wow u guys are fucking retarded.


the designers specifically made the shoe so people that want a TOTALLY minimal shoe can rub them off.


Fuckin' casuals.

"oh no there are 12 golden numerals on it what ever am i going to do?!"

>>9241524
this
read an interview of the owners and they said it's supposed to be rubbed off
you're not supposed to leave it
like inside shirts with the manufacturing tag and the scissor outlines

I hate the crepe sole on CP's so much. why is it so fucking brown?

actually, what am i even saying? I hate all crepe soles

>>9241518

Look at this.

EVEN REST KNOWS MORE THAN YOU SO CALLED /FA/GGOTS HAHAHAHA

Doc Marten 1461s? Normal or mono

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>>9241533

Yes


It's exactly like the Maison Martin Margiela 4 stitches labeling.

The designers actually but the label on 4 stitches like that so the wearer could easily remove the tag.

But the 4 stitches became very symbol for MMM and became a talltale sign it was designer for those "in the know"
which is what makes this picture kinda hilarious because it wasn't part of the design intentions

>>9241551

It's not called "4 stitches". They're basting stitches; the same as you'd find along the shoulder of a hand-tailored jacket, sealing the pockets of an overcoat, and securing the vent of a blazer.

>>9241576
The 4 stitches are literally a sign that something is MMM. You probably DO still find them all around the place because of their functionality, but the 4 stitches holding the label on are a sign that something is MMM.

>>9241576

I know but the MMM "label" is synonymous with the 4 stitches on the back of the garment, but thanks anyway for the post-script

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>>9241551
it was part of the designers intention

there is a very conscious and objective design philosophy to the mmm house, the four threads, emblematic of the house, and the connotations there in, were with intent.

so to put it simply, the baste, as a insignia - yes.

>>9241589

You are misunderstanding. They could have been sewn on with another stitch (straight stitch, whipstitch), but they chose a basting stitch. The whole point is that basting stitches are loose and easy to undo, which is why they are almost always employed when a stitch is only needed temporarily (i.e. to close a pocket before the garment is purchased by a customer). If you wanted the stitches and tag to show and remain, you would use a more secure stitch.

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>>9241599
no ones debating this, you're correct.

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red wing postman are ok

>>9241497
if you're a size 9 or 10

>>9241589
>>9241607

The real sign that something is MMM is that it looks like it was designed by MMM—deconstructed, conceptually-driven, process-oriented, clothes about clothes.

>>9241444
Well that problem's solved. OP can run dose numbers off. The stichy thing is an MMM this with like temporary stiching or some shit nobody cares.

Now the real question.

new topic:


CP DERBY SHINE ALTERNATIVES - CHEAPER + DIFFERENT

in case you want to break away from the /fa/ mainstream or if you have a budget. similar shoes you also like, bonus points for cheaps, GO!

>>9241608
they crease and age like shit

i dont recommend

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>>9241616
while that's true mmm also did reproductions of vintage items, which do not represnt what you've said (in the way of things like the clothing which still have the patterns drawn on, clothing half done (still a part of the cloth bolt), painted clothing etc) which are do not ostensibly fit under the mmm house when compared to other objects produced.

so i would not say someone can discern something as mmm through how it looks, as the house has made that impudent.

>>9241598

I remember specifically reading in an article that the MMM stitching was not meant to be worn on and was supposed to be taken off but the stitching became so popular that MMM was like "OK"

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Thinking about copping these, are 1461s decent?

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>>9241642
i don't think what the producer would like to impose on the consumers translation is ever important when considering a commodity

so what i'm saying is, no one cares what mmm wants them to do with their own clothing, and i don't think the house was so niave to think they would have any claim to that either.

it fits in the houses existence, both as a commercial authentication and a ideological statement.

>>9241642
>>9241673
please read >>9241623

>>9241631
wow this is super helpful i hate it when shoes age like shit it's like a wasted all my hopes and cash

>>9241665
wish I had 'em

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>>9241873
suck my dick.

>>9241665

i think what's great about the derby shines is that they really dress up in a way that docs can't

postmans have the same problem IMO but less

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>>9241497

Any inspo?

If anyone here wants Red Wing postmans ( >>9241608 ) I'm selling some in size 12 for rly cheap :)

>>9241631

I actually really like the way mine have aged, although I may have gotten lucky because I have no loose grain at all. They look like higher-end designer aged butchers at this point (2 years in).

>>9242160
bluchers**

>>9241665

i love these

been thinking about copping them for a while as well but just haven't pulled the trigger yet

>>9241665
is there a specific model where they have black stitching and sole or is that colored in

>>9242224
monos

>>9242224

1461 mono black

>>9241665
Docs are nice but the sole turns me off so much. Are there any alternatives with a less ugly sole. I don't want to do postmans because >>9241631 )

>>9242259

personally I really like the sole and it would be a nice addition to the wardrobe but to be dr.martins have this weird stigma....

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anyone else hate how pointy and constricting CPs are?,,, or am I the only one with non-deformed feet?

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>>9242353
you do realize the point is just for appearances, right? if your feet are like the ones on the right, you've been wearing improperly sized shoes

>>9241551
do u know anything about minimalism or mmm?
no, u don't so shut the fuck up

>>9241551
>>9242576
shhhh this thread finally got back on track. just like if it's that important to you or anyone else please start another thread.

>>9242564
This. But as someone with biggish feet (and skinny everything else, which make feet look even bigger) there are advantages to this mistake if you don't wear the shoes too often. But if that's the case we're both probably better off with round-toed shoes than constricting pointy ones. (no matter how much they make me feel like a magician)

>>9242311
I'm //thinking// the sole doesn't have a stigma among anyone who isn't /fa/ or very tumblr fashion interested. It just looks "combat boot like" and slightly young-adult-ish to alien plebs and rl people. I could easily be wrong though. Disclaimer: I live in a desolate area and it takes a while for fashion consciousness to diffuse it's way here from Toronto and the States. I guess they're to be avoided if you plan on wearing them to an important event you need to impress your dean at and you don't want to come off as immature, but if they're just for you ?

>>9241631
i actually want them to crease
what do you mean by "age like shit" other than creasing?

>>9242029
what are these, GIS turns up nothing

>>9242353
oh shit thank god my feet are still normal
I feel that way about Converse. Their shoes are unisex but I really feel like they fit better for females. Too narrow and pointy. Feel like my feet are getting deformed with every step.

>>9243692
viberg

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these are the best looking derbies imo

>>9242564
The point is that even if you wear your pointy shoes with extra toe length, they will still slight deform. The larger size you buy, the more impractical they are because you will trip and walk weird.

>>9243847
My toes barely reach the rubber toe part of converse and they are still uncomfortable.

>>9243562
Not him but they develop very fine creases and crinkles very quickly, the leather is tough rather than buttery. I'm wearing a pair of postman chukkas right now, actually. I don't think they look bad, I like the wear since they are a casual boot, solid and not expensive.

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>>9244834
>best derbies
>not Ann D

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Can I have some help with chelseas not sure if these 681s are worth copping look good imo

>>9245135
fuck off

>>9245149
Not really helpful friend ;)