>>8619405 Same general idea. I can't say I'm entirely true to loving knowledge. It isn't necessarily wrong to want to profit off of something you enjoy, because I think a lot of people are hypocritical at that point. But >>8619429 is right, there are a lot of people who go into engineering because they read and thought it was cool and heard it is in demand and wanna make money. Personally, I love sciences and want to go into it because I love space. But a hint of me worries about job security and another hint of me believes I'll make bank making it wonderful. Basically, as long as you are doing what you love for the sake of loving it, it is still pretty /fa/ in my opinion. Doesn't mean you can't want to have a greater income, but don't be a doctor because you heard they make money and you kinda like helping people you guess. That's just my two cents.
I'm not going to try and pick out what major is the most effay, because that just seems ridiculous. Whatever the fuck that you are passionate about, assuming that you have any form of taste and self-consciousness, can be effay.
>>8619489 People who can develop their own sense of style and exude authenticity are the coolest motherfuckers around. Being comfortable and loving what you are studying is a mark of knowing who you are, a kind of confidence that is usually pretty /fa/.
As to whether or not my school is /fa/, absolutely not. Start-up tees and sweatpants on most guys, however some are pretty firmly frat/attempted prep. I know there's at least one kid on campus with cps (that logo is not fucking minimal, /fa/ taught me to recognize those shoes from like 100 yards), and another dude used to rock a man-bun and flyknits and looked pretty good. More or less regular old college clothes though.
>>8619489 Because doing a degree either because -you were told it was /fa/ -you think it will make you money -your parents told you and something else is about as far away as /fa/ can get.
it is important to note that it isn't necessarily about loving the career path, but more about loving the pursuit of knowledge. Because you can love working at WalMart but that doesn't make it /fa/ IE you go to college because you wanna learn more about something you love, not just because you wanna work in it. It is somewhat difficult to explain.
That is why liberal arts are so /fa/, because the only people who do that shit love what they learn. Most of them accept that they can't do shit with their degree in their field, and only do it because they love to learn about the subject.
The doctrines of those who would endeavor to map the human psyche aren't for the faint of heart. Coddling people through faux psychotherapy isn't what psychology is about, it's just what neocortically challenged homozygotes would have you believe.
>>8620266 well you have two chairs to sit on first is chairs with cocks it's a well-paid job you probably won't enjoy. e.g. petroleum area second is chairs with pikes it's shit like liberal arts which are fun to study and you will meet cool people but nojobs.jpg
>>8620271 So basically it would make more sense to pursue a high paying job, since even if you don't love it you would get the satisfaction of being successful and happy. I just don't want to get a shitty job that I'll hate for the majority of my life.
>>8620296 I know, being stuck in a shitty job wouldn't be worth it. I just think it'd be a large waste of my life to go for a low paying job just cause I'd genuinely enjoy it. Like I would love to pursue music, but know that it's really hard to get anywhere there. >>8620301 Thanks! >>8620303 I'm best at math so I guess what you say makes sense. Thanks, I'll look through those as I try to choose how I'll live the rest of my life.
>>8620436 Pretty fun, the first year is kinda the same thing you would get as an Applied Physics with more geometry. So far it's turning out to be like being an architect that understands the building he designs inside and out.
>>8620695 Not nearly as much as other kinds of engineering, it's about on par with MechE. It's the kind of thing where you can take all day to draw up a plan and enjoy yourself, listen to music or a podcast while you do it, or finish it up in an hour if you forgot that it's due after lunch.
I study Global Liberal Studies and Jew York University
literally a major about old books and nothing useful and you get to go abroad 2 of your three years and you have to take 2 other languages to the advanced level korean and chinese master race, about to head back to shanghai for my second year
>>8620774 I'm half german half swedish with blonde hair and green eyes, I'm only gooky about my language study and the girls I date >>8620772 thanks bruh, everyone from my major (about 45 a year) either goes directly to graduate school or into inv banking/PE right after graduation, there's a pretty solid network set up and we have to get internships every other semester at firms and whatnot so im not too worried
but god damn i would love to just be a poet or a novelist, wake up at 3pm and be drunk all day
>>8620796 just because you major in philosophy doesnt mean youll be a philosopher, I intern at a consulting firm and a few guys here have philosophy degrees, they're excellent conversationalists and just cool people, which is probably how they got their jobs
>>8620823 its not about being useful, its about expanding your potential to learn and adapt to knew things, learning how to research and consolidate information and your overall educated "polish" that you can bring to a company
i dont even bother with STEM majors anymore, they're so narrow minded
>>8620999 do you contemplate your studies while perfecting your masonry in lonely and disheveled abandoned churches? because if not you're not I'm not sure you're doing it right, at least not the /fa/ way
For me cognitive science/neuroscience is such a fascinating, abstract and complex science that I decided to pursue it and abandon Med.
What better generation than ours to try and further a science, that in the grand scheme of things, is in it's infancy. I see it as an endless enigma with new challenges everyday. If enjoying my job isn't /fa/ enough then I don't really give a fuck.
Oh, and who was complaining about 80% females taking psych? As one of the few reasonably attractive men with a sense of fashion in the post grad neuro (although most of the women go for clinical), I get no shortage of female attention.
>>8621249 im australian so stuff is probably much different here >advanced optics and nuclear physics >biophysics >astrophysics >mathematical methods and partial differential equations >mathematical computing for finance
hi im supposed to hate you. I honestly agree with most of what you said, start up t shirts and AA hoodies (we have one two steps from campus). Although, there are a lot more /fa/ fits I have been seeing lately.
If you're a liberal arts (eg. philosophy) major are you unemployable by default, or only if you went to a meh university?
I've been accepted to Dartmouth and Yale for philosophy. Am I not employable, especially in fields such as finance and consulting, just because of the name I'll get to put on my resume? I thought it worked like that.
>>8621665 i you say to any employer that you went to fucking yale and have decent work experience from while you were studying then you'll get great job offers. it's worth getting additional business qualifications though
>>8621583 Probably doing medical physics. Great pay and there is a good program in my area, and maybe i can volunteer in a poor asian country or something for a while to escape Aus. Meteorology/numerical modelling of oceans and climate interests me but it seems a lot less profitable and for plain old meteorology they can apparently send you wherever they want which would be fucked. i've ended up having great subjects for finance but i don't want to do that unfortunately because i have morals and don't want to be miserable
>>8620707 >mfw I studied philosophy because it is interesting as fuck >mfw older peeps actually love the subject and are always intrigued/slightly jelly because they studied something for nothing but shekels >mfw I got into a masters with full scholarship >mfw I make about 95.000€ after taxes working for the European Council of Human Rights >mfw I'm not even 30
Yeah no it sucks doing something you love, excelling in it and being recognised. Not that 95k is that much, but it sure as fuck is enough for my clothes, house, car, alcohol and clubbing addictions.
Why do all the literal betas lack any clue of the diversity and possibilities of philosophy? I never talk shit about engineering, why do you feel it necessary to belittle philosophy when you know so little?
I have 2 more years before I enter University, which gives me some time to figure out what to do with my life. Which leads me to asking; what would you guys recommend me to study when my main interests are anthropology and sociology? I want a decently well-paying job after I'm finished studying btw.
Don't fuck with us. Who needs to be "effay (weak skeletons and emotional wrecks) when you can be powerful. I am responsible for millions of dollars in revenue as an intern, while living in luxury as a student.
>>8620823 >history >as useful as philosophy Are you completely retarded nigga? Philosophy is the mother of all science and you learn how to express yourself and arguing in a congruent manner. Those are good qualities for a anyone in finance, history is for idiots (can learn everything they learn by just reading books from the library, philosophy is a bit harder if you get into the more logic/math based fields).
>>8622160 >mfw I make about 95.000€ after taxes working for the European Council of Human Rights Are your parents rich as fuck or connected to top EU organs? Because having such a job with 95k EUROS after taxes by 30 would be impossible otherwise, that's like 200k pre-tax in most EU countries.
>>8622945 >I am responsible for millions of dollars in revenue as an intern, while living in luxury as a student. And yet you are just like us other mortals, doomed to die on this shitty planet. If you really think that wielding"power" is something meaningful in the end, you are at the mental level of a third grader.
>>8623178 >majored in business at Wharton >now doing management consulting at McKinsey >going to leave and get a Harvard MBA, then get into investment banking or stay in consulting, don't know yet >either way, will be making more than 200k counting bonuses, and if I get into banking, I'm likely to hit 500-700k as a MD after five years
>>8621753 I study ID at the best School in Germany. Getting in is pretty hard since people prepare their portfolios for 2 years, but then the professors judge them in 10 seconds because they claim to know what a good sketch looks like and that they can judge it in seconds.
Feel free to post some sketches of yours.
>>8623482 except for the fact that University IS what it is called and Uni is what EVERYONE calls it.
In the United States, "college" formally refers to a constituent part of a university, but generally "college" and "university" are used interchangeably, whereas in Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Hong Kong and other former and present Commonwealth nations, "college" may refer to a secondary or high school
maybe there's a reason shier tier universities are essentially called "high school" by amerifats
Fuuuck I majored in computer science cause >muh money and computers but now i think i made a mistake cause I'm not sure if i'll even enjoy it. Thankfully I'm only one year deep but i don't know what to do
Is minoring in economics a smart thing to do? Would that combo of major and minor be a good idea or should I just switch majors all together?
>>8623946 one last question i have the option to major in IT is that just a big fuckin waste of time? It just seems like baby shit CS. Or is there any logical jumps after graduating in it like you said with CS
Didn't want to commit myself to grad school which is pretty much required to make good money as an economist, so I opted for a computer science major while working towards a certificate in econ
I have two friends in my major who are /fa/ and normal, and we definitely have a huge advantage over everyone else. My grades are pretty mediocre but I've never not been offered a job I've been interviewed for, just because most CS guys are just... something else.
And yes, I actually do like programming academically however I couldn't do it for a living.
>>8624237 While my friends were studying to be engineers and doctors and complained how stressed out they were all the time, I actually thought school was really interesting and fun. Not that I've had much use for my degree (pic related) after I graduated but at least I have an interesting job.
>>8619367 >Which college degree is the most /fa/ ? Architecture >Is your uni /fa/? They don't just pick up on current fashion trends, but through the design of the aesthetic of the physical manifestation of the city and the way in which it's inhabitants interact with each other, determines the psychology of what your subconsciousness informs you that which is fashionable, and what isn't. But alot of students are just foreign Asians that couldn't math.
>>8619367 >Which college degree is the most /fa/ ? Fashion Design, I'd assume. >Is your uni /fa/? lel no. people think they dress well because it's a liberal arts university, but it mostly amounts to tall, skinny nerds wearing tight clothing and flannel and looking okay because they're tall and skinny. This one manlet prances around in five-inch cuffs on his jeans and thinks he's dope as fuck. I just laugh internally. the guy can have his delusions. The dozen people who dress awesome are always a nice sight to see when walking around campus. >>8619429 >this is liberal arts major logic. >cherry picks based off the neckbeards he's met >thinks science is entirely devoid of passions someone didn't learn about fallacies in their those classes for his English minor.
>>8625209 Nice, this is so post-fact so theres like a 1% chance anyone will see it, but is there overlap between which locations teach what? Like could I apply with my first year to get into St. George courses.
A college degree can literally never be /fa/. The only thing that comes close is enrollin in a humanity that interests you at a top 50, worldwide uni, then not really giving a shit and dropping out 6 months later
Studying Philosophy living in Brussels, I guess something like your job (probably with lower icome tho) is possible because there's always possibilities for EU related jobs in Brussels and they are generally pretty interesting / fun.
>>8624119 That was all fine and well, but now that is is overly expensive, aiding people to incur 200k+ in debt so they can study something like that seems criminal. What's worse is that many of them are given the fallacious belief that a garbage liberal arts degree will land them a decent job, so long as it's from a supposedly elite university.
>>8627457 >so long as it's from a supposedly elite university You can study whatever the fuck you want if you're at a top Ivy League, Stanford or MIT. Nobody will give a shit, the school's name itself will be more than enough to get you where you want so long as it isn't something requiring very technical skills like engineering, quant jobs, etc.
>>8627467 >You can study whatever the fuck you want if you're at a top Ivy League, Stanford or MIT
I go to one and have seen quite a few find out the hard way that the prestigious name on your degree doesn't mean shit to employers . Many minorities/females who study racial/gender studies, music or film are SOL upon graduating. Even some of the really bright kids I've met with okay degrees (Government/Politics, International Relations, etc) are unable to find a decent job. It's sad to see them apply to equally poor post-bachelors programs so they can become subject to even more debt.
>>8627507 There are intelligent people who make it in the real world with crap degrees from those schools. I'm speaking to the many who matriculate with the aforementioned erroneous belief (that a degree from an amazing school will get them a great job subsequent to graduation). I guess it also has to do with their mindset (stemming from that view) which induces them to be satisfied with barely passing some classes and graduating with a low gpa. Perhaps this phenomena only occurs at my uni, or among those I've met and hang out with, but I have feeling people attending other elite schools experience this often.
>>8627580 If your GPA is low, especially in humanities, then of course you'll have trouble getting a job. Also, the universities I talked about are extremely selective and the people who get in are mostly very ambitious and don't lack motivation at all. No lazy fucks are going to get into a top Ivy.
My father studied philosophy (I think) at Brown, which is the weakest Ivy. Yet he's at Blackstone now and is doing much better than most engineers and scientists who work for top tech firms. What matters is drive and will to succeed, the degree is irrelevant.
>>8627620 >Also, the universities I talked about are extremely selective and the people who get in are mostly very ambitious and don't lack motivation at all. No lazy fucks are going to get into a top Ivy.
Yes, they're full of those overachieving starlets who were top 3 in the class in high school, but when it's several thousand them competing against each other, quite a few will be at the bottom (relative to their peers).
>What matters is drive and will to succeed, the degree is irrelevant.
>>8627620 >>8627665 Just to clear things up, when I say the degree is irrelevant, it's because employers, when they see the name of the university you went to, know you're not a fuckup. And even if you managed to get into Harvard as a fuckup, which is highly unlikely, the interview process for top firms will make it even more unlikely for you to get in.
If you didn't go to a top uni, and instead went for a college most people could get into, employers know that you're more likely to be dumb/lazy than an Ivy grad. Therefore, they'll pay attention to your major since it'll be a good indicator of how hard working you are. If you did philosophy, psych or whatever, you won't get in unless you networked like a motherfucker. If you did math, physics, stats or engineering, it's another way of telling your potential employer that you're willing to work to succeed.
>>8627736 I'd say it entirely depends on the industry. For a job in information security or code monkey stuff, you just need high school education and very good knowledge of the field itself. They don't give a fuck about the degree (most companies, that is) unless you want to do R&D, in which case a master's is mandatory, sometimes a PhD. But in stuff such as finance or consulting, your actual knowledge of the job is irrelevant unless you get into trading. You just need a big name on your resume. Universities don't teach you anything useful (apart from the basics) when it comes to anything like econ, business and finance; therefore, all the required training will be done in a few weeks to a few months once you get the job (if you do).
However, the kids who get into college and major in Jewish Diaspora studies because "the subject doesn't matter" are absolutely fucked if they don't either: >Attend a school whose name will be enough to get them anywhere, provided their grades are good enough to show a willingness to work hard
>Possess remarkable social skills and know how to network well enough to get a job right out of college in a competitive industry.
The latter almost never happens from what I've seen. Most of my coworkers in MC were history, philosophy, or english majors from a top 20 university. Knowledge does trump college pedigree in some cases, but it shouldn't warrant going for an absolutely useless field of study at a no-name university.
>>8627766 I'm currently doing an MBA at Stern and I've worked in consulting for three years prior to that. I have enough knowledge of what employers want to talk about it although I'm not an employer myself.
In management consulting (which isn't the only "type" of consulting there is, but the most lucrative), networking is very important, and you need very good people skills either way. However, you don't necessarily need contacts from the industry to break in, especially if you attend an elite ("target") university, have good grades and internships, and ace the interview process.
Management consulting is arguably harder to break into than bulge bracket investment banking; if you don't go to a top university, you're going to have a lot of trouble making yourself marketable unless your profile is especially interesting.
Personally, I got in because I want to a good school but also had a decent network provided by my family; it was pretty easy for me to get into one of the top 3 management consulting firms right out of college. My coworkers had the same circumstances, or one of the two: some had a family member working (or who used to work) as a partner in the firm, others were especially bright top school grads and among the most intelligent and brilliant people I've ever met. If I recall correctly, most of the people I worked with came from the top Ivies (HYP), Columbia, Wharton, MIT. One went to Northwestern, another to Chicago, at least one (?) to LSE. There was an outlier from Indiana U. at Bloomington but he was the only guy to not have attended a top program for his undergrad. Of course, if you went to a top MBA, you can disregard anything I said above and get into any firm you want in corporate finance, financial markets and consulting, provided you're not trying to become a quant for example.
If you have any questions about the job or anything, feel free to ask.
>>8628005 I'd rather not say for which company I worked, although it's one of the big three.
Salaries are pretty much the same as in investment banking, but the bonuses are inferior. It also depends on your position, of course. As a first year analyst, I was in the 90k range counting bonuses. I made more money during my third year. Some third year analysts earn around 200k all in.
Then you either get an MBA and get the actual title of "management consultant", or leave and do something else (still requires an MBA in most cases). After your MBA you'll earn anywhere between 150-300k as a MC, depending on your experience. When you move up (you either move up or get laid off), you become a junior partner and earn around 450k all in. As you gain experience, you'll become a senior partner, and your compensation will range between 600k and seven figures.
If you're in for the money, you're better off doing investment banking, then getting an MBA and getting into PE at a firm like Blackstone or KKR. The benefits of MC are generally less tiresome hours (not always true), traveling (some hate it), prestige, and the phenomenal network and versatility you'll build over the years. The bonuses, however, are less attractive than in banking.
>>8621503 I appreciate the not-hate tho. I haven't actually met anyone from Berkley, but like any reasonable person I don't really give two shits about the rivalry. What are you studying? >>8622867 m8 I don't know how you think I could recognize Hender Schemes on campus, probably biking past you or something. May be a little tough.
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