Raf Simons: Dior

>>10899497
have you been living under a rock?

>>10899513
???

He couldn't keep up with the tempo in which the collections had to be produced. I personally tought he was really fit for it. Dior sales rised a lot during his time as a creative director so raf made the decision to stop for himself

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>>10899497
I think Raf is a very talented designer but just not for Dior IMO. His Haute couture designs looked incredibly boring and hardly nostalgic. It's great that he knew where to boost his market sales towards, but the ultra modern chic style just doesn't look like it fits well for Dior. His womens-wear ready to wear lines looked more like Fendi. Nothing looked that original.

Here are the couture shows along with the designs that have changed over the years from the previous designers starting from Marc Bohan, Gianfranco Ferré, Johan Galliano, Raf Simons and this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3aCpcv7geE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-owj53TkU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3knNv3wJBMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnXBBryYY-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXkVEen0RT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKYpTJtLSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuyTp7g2HAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyOU1pHf4gE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2Yo6gywfM

>>10899879
*John Galliano not Johan my bad.

>>10899879

Except Raf was more Dior than Galliano

>>10899914
How so? Explain.

>>10899920

Galliano was too much theatrics and as you said he was nostalgia

while Raf felt much more french and Dior but always with slight modern additions

he actually brought Dior somewhere whilest Galliano just used the house to do what he always does

did raf do haute and rtw for dior?

>>10899934
You make it sound like the theatrics were overplayed. Galliano was pushing the boundaries of couture beyond that any designer had done in awhile and he DID bring Dior somewhere.

>>10899944
yes

anyway, word on the street is that hedi will be taking helm at dior, dunno if that means homme too

>>10899946

Couture was never meant to be theatric and whilest I like the way he pushed silhouette his were in msot cases unwearable

Raf pushed boundaries on fabrics while keeping it the essence

>>10899957

I really hope not KvA is doing everything Dior Homme should be and never would I see Hedi do Dior womens in a decent way

Think Hedi going to Chanel would be a more reasonable transfer

>>10899968
chanel are happy with karl

dior is sans a face right now

>>10899971

We know they are but Karl sees Hedi as the most likely person to do Chanel when he dies

Raf is God

>>10899960
>Couture was never meant to be theatric. Most cases were unwearable

Then you obviously don't know that all haute couture pieces that are presented are ever worn. They're made to measure for specific clients according to their measurments where it becomes a wearable piece of art. Also Raf had zero background behind the ideas of designing couture.

>Raf pushed boundaries on fabrics while keeping it the essence
Raf rarely pushed any boundaries at all. Face it. His idea for ultra modern chic for the house of Dior are completely boring.

>>10900006
*most couture pieces that are presented are rarely worn.
>>10899960

>>10900006
He couldn't even keep up. No wonder he left. At least he'll focus on other stuff though.

>>10900009

seems like you don't know anything because they are rarely worn but when they are it's by rich billionaire women for fundraisers and not just as a piece of art

>>10900045
Of course I know they're rarely worn you idiot I just said that, and I know they're not JUST a piece of art. I can't tell if you're a shit poster or an idiot because you sound like a complete moron.

>>10899998
What makes you sure that Hedi would be a good fit for Chanel? He 't renamed Yves Saint Laurent to Saint Laurent Paris and never stayed true to the meanings and ideas behind YSL. How do you know Karl Lagerfeld thinks he would be a good fit?

>>10900061

are you retarded?

I wish Raf going to Calvin Klein wasn't just a rumor.

>>10900081

Hedi and Haider are the only people Karl has explicitly stated as his favourite follow ups also Karl only wears Hedi suits

Also Chanel is pretty much more open to change because Coco hasnt been there very long and Karls Chanel was pretty much without a soul and focused on selling as saint laurent was already

>>10900096
Makes sense. I just don't want Hedi changing the entire meaning behind what the house of Chanel stands for just like what he did for YSL.

galliano is terrible desu

>>10900242
ur terible desu

>>10900088
>Raf going to Calvin Klein

that would be huge, but he left dior cause the workload was too much and wanted to focus on his own label right?

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>>10899879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_RC9Cxjqig

Dior Spring Summer 2011 was my favorite couture show. The work they put into this piece is just amazing. <3

>>10899946
>>10899934
Galliano is a costume designer, not an HC designer

>>10900081
Hedi did not rename the brand, he went back to the original RTW name. YSL is supposed to be the atelier name, the name for the Haute Couture. Saint Laurent is supposed to be the Pret a Porter name.

>>10900159
chanel doesn't stand for anything anymore

people get so worked up over what hedi did to YSL, but before him, no one really cared for YSL and what they were doing. now it all flies off the racks and sells tons

>>10900360
Chanel still stands for chic elegance and comfort. Karl just reinvents the look to cater to the market, it's meaning is still there.

That's true about YSL though. Yves hated what was happening and wanted the whole thing shut down but he couldn't do anything about it. His name is just circle jerked around to sell off to skellies now. Feels bad.

>>10900343
So was Christian Lacroix but everyone still thought of him as an amazing haute couture designer.

>>10899879
literally no one gives a fuck about couture anymore. Raf at least tried to bring it back to reality and make it wearable again.

>>10900543
>literally no one gives a fuck about couture anymore.

As if anyone ever did lol (except me)

>>10900558
But it completely lost it relevance in the last few years. I read a really good article about this last week, but I can't remember where.

>>10900564
What else was it about? I honestly think it's time haute couture finally dies though but I just think it's sad to lose an art form like this. Anyways that's just how fashion goes.

>>10899879
Let's be honest here, Raf was a goat mens designer, but his Dior HC sucks ass. Galliano is a goofy motherfucker, but his HC for Dior is spot-on.

Different people are just good for different branches. Either way, I hope Raf goes back to mens, and Dior finds another Galliano.

Galliano for MMM rtw is a bad fit too.

>>10900642

Disagree on the first part and after last collection for margiela i actually think he's heading the right direction

>>10900588
>>10900564
>>10900558
>>10900543
I just finished watching this 50 minute video of one bloody couture dress being made

https://vimeo.com/97213565

so excessive and time consuming for something that's no one will end up buying, can't believe it's still being done

>>10900543
>no one gives a fuck about couture anymore

More and more people do actually. AFAIK it's a growing industry.

>>10900685
Yep. It's a work of art in it's own purist form. All made from hand (with a few exceptions) by expert ateliers but are only bought by the wealthiest patrons. That's what makes haute couture supposedly unique is because of the exclusivity and hard work made into these pieces.

>>10900564
http://www.wellfedwanderer.com/blog/2014/7/21/is-haute-couture-proof-art-is-dead
I found a somewhat relative article.

>>10900685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqkgo6fV8q8 Here's another documentary for you if you're interested anon.

>>10900685
>so excessive and time consuming for something that's no one will end up buying
as is 90% of any art form no?
>can't believe it's still being done
why do people still paint?

>>10900685
Besides the ones that are used in the presentation, they do not construct any of the dresses unless they have an order with a down payment

http://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/fashion-show-review/haute-coutures-melancholia-spring-summer-2016-chanel-dior-valentino

>>10899968
>>10899998
>>10900081

I've got insider info that Hedi is indeed leaving Saint Laurent.

Also insider info but this is more of a rumor, apparently Karl and Hedi have been in talks of a Chanel Homme line designed by Hedi. They've always been close and recently did a shoot with / for each other on a V Magazine feature, could be really interesting.

>>10900081

>never stayed true to the meanings and ideas behind YSL

Lol no

Go read the Yahoo Style interview with Hedi in full before you regurgitate bullshit out your ass

>>10900710

Pretty sure it's not, all I see everywhere for the past few years is talk of how Couture is dying, there was an article on BoF about this earlier this week as well

>>10902457
would be a perfect fit because they're both tacky as fuck

>>10902475

Nice! Tell me more, master fashion critique! Surely you must have better understanding of fashion than people who have been performing at its highest level for decades!

>>10902531
Like you?

>>10902552

Lol are you retarded?