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last one was archived

what are some good techwear sneakers asides from the stereotypical adidas/nike runners?
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daily reminder these threads are cancer for /fa/
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>>10887480
all of 4chan is cancer. you might hate /g/ but techwear is honestly p good
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>>10887452
Looking for an anorak in the style of the right (summer, non-insulated), preferably in the left's color, without paying heaps. The ones in my image are 40 euro + 30 shipping and 35 euro + 30 shipping respectively.
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>>10887452
w2c?
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>>10887480
'techwear' trend is already became a cancer, as longtime acronym fan who is not trying to look as cyborg ninja from distopian future 90% of #acrnm posts on IG is pure cringe. Errolson is killing brand and price range won't stop it from the fall.
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>>10887528
link?

>>10887796
i actually think acronyms pieces can be implemented in a non tech ninja way but all the fuccbois are doing it that way. subtle techwear is the best techwear which is why i love the fits of appleseed
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>>10887480
>>10887796
Daily reminder that if you want an experience tailored just for yourself you should start a web forum or a subreddit or something
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>>10887796
>longtime acronym fan

So, um what are they doing differently than they were 5-10 years ago?

Their clothes have definitely gotten more wearable.
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>>10887452
Yeah I asked that question near the end of the thread so thank you for starting up this new thread with it.
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why is every techwear thread 90% people complaining about techwear
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>>10888213
They upgraded a lot of their gimmicks.

I.e. Changed jacket sling design and added escape zips
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>>10888218
self-concious people too scared to pull off anything remotely different
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>>10888213
Acronym was pretty much underground with loyal user base, after ACG and Nike collaboration ACR gone to mainstream and now every fuccboi wants to look like 30yo 'teenagers' on Instagram. Just look at the #acrnm, thats shit's pathetic. I still buy Acronym though.
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>>10887452
w2c
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>>10888839
Ah okay, so basically you are pissed because you knew about acronym wayyyy before they were popular. Lol cool m8

Post non "teen" fit please.
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POST BACKPACKS PLEASE
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>>10889181
Veilance Nomin
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>>10889175
I'm not pissed, i just don't like current acronym image and 'new' fanbase. Acronym is too expensive for regular fuccboi anyway, but my opinion changed a lot in last few years, maybe thats because i just got bored.

'non teen' fit is anything that doesn't look like pic related.
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>>10889300
cringe hard
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>>10889300
I agree a little bit. Mostly just because I feel like the balaclava and less specifically the neck gaiter is a hard thing to pull off on the street.
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>>10889300
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>>10889300
>>10889304
Fashion is so strange in packs. Just now coming to this conclusion. Maybe 2 fashionable people together is acceptable, but when it turns into 3-4+ people for a photo, it's starts to look off setting or too overwhelming.
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>>10889366
Those glasses go hard though.
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>>10889366
>hating on winter Auron
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>>10889406

This is kind of true. If there were individual photos of those guys, they'd look fine, but together they just look like a bunch of idiots.

When you're by yourself and dressed like that, you look like a cool, slightly unsuaul, dgaf kind of guy. But when you're with other people dressed similar you look like an insecure follower
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>>10889300
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With what kind of pants would you wear an Acronym Jacket ? Quality raw denim are forbidden?
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>>10889979
Whatever the fuck you want

Take inspiration from the internet but for god's sake don't let it dress you
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>>10887480
>daily reminder
Everyone that starts a post with this is the cancer here. I don't see you posting the same exact shit daily so why say daily
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>>10888240
OK don't get your fishnet tank in a bunch just go back to sucking
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>>10889986
I mean everydumb fuck wearing a classy acronym is always wearing those awful dark pants and huge nike shoes. I'm pretty sure you can wear them without looking like an autistic ninja.
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>>10889995
Yeah I don't like the baggy tapered trousers + obnoxious coloured asian trainer look either
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>>10890000
Quads says the truth my friend
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>>10889979
Depends on your body shape and the silhouette you want to create. I would wear straight chinos or cargos, but I'm actually to long and slim to wear bomber-style jackets in the first place. I also don't feel that raw jeans and techwear as such go well together.
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>>10889979
I prefer straight fit pants of anything with a slim silhouettes. Most of the time I wear futureworks just because they are comfortable, but pic related is me with just some slim denim.
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>>10889979
>>10890020
Also I have some 3/4 length cargos I wear on occasion with it too. Not tapered, so not quite a meme fit but very comfortable and has a good sillouette.
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>>10890020
Your jacket (nice btw) looks very techy. But for these kind of more sober model like the one i want to get http://acronym.de/product.php?id=507 i think it opens up more possibilities
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>>10889300
lmao this is some sufu hive mind shit
they dont look tough or cool at all. borderline just finished a game of paintball or something

very few people wearing techwear look legit because they dont live lifestyles where they are actually active and not posing around having frappes at starbucks between college classes that mom and dad pay for
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>>10889979
denim is uncomfortable and sucks as a fabric. maybe some cheap heavy elastic black denim since u can run around in it with the stretch. raw denim is bad on so many levels, especially aestetically to mix with this style
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>>10890029
I like the techier jackets a little more (especially with interops), but that jacket is very nice. Acronym does minimal shells really well.
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>>10890038
i'm pretty sure that a nice dark heavy blue denim naked&famous would look good. But then comes the problem with the shoes.
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>>10890050
>naked&famous
lol no
heavy denim would suck even harder. you'd blow out the crotch and couldn't move properly unless they were baggy af
so many better fabrics than denim. even just cotton would be better
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>>10889332
>neck gaiter is a hard thing to pull
What?

>>10889758
Most of them can't dress properly and they don't look 'cool'. Look at the pic related, this jacket is great (i own one), but i can't stop cringing looking at this photo.
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>>10890256
thats because this guy is chubby and like 5'6"
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>>10889366
I am Valentanez Alkalanella Jihad Shishiha Boheres Gambigo Bella Blue Strattivari Talentrent Pierre Andre Tarptenhemos Barovinchi Baldos George Doitzelkaiser III. But you can call me Vash.
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>>10890256
Do I need to spell it out for you?

They look corny on some people.
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>>10890306
Just look at his boots and pants, everything here is off and people liking these fits just because it's acronym, not because it's a great fit.
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>>10887452
Also excluding adidas' collabs? (Yohji, rafs)

I'd put kim kiroic up here just because i don't think they get enough credit.
White mountaneering has some interesting things i think if i remember correctly
And well theres always rombaut but idk how "techy" canvas sneakers can get desu.
I remember theres also some goretex sneaks by asics or something
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>>10891203
went to white mountaineering boutique in japan. wasn't special. they had a nylon ma-1 for about $450, the only thing special was the lining. aside from that it was like $100 mall brand quality
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what's wrong with wnating to look like a ninja anyway? ninjas are cool.

That being said you do look retarded ordering maccas while you look like some sci-fi hacker.
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>>10891325
I've handled their parkas and mountain jackets and thought they're a'ight. Price wise i do agree tho i'd only cop below what they're asking for, quite easy to do via auction sites
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>>10891797
Because it makes you look like some autistic, playtime never ends, permavirgin cosplay loving faggot
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>>10891797
looking like a techninja same reason as that goof ninja shit looks retarded - its inauthentic. we dont live in either a cyberpunk dystopia or a postapocalyptic wasteland.

also most of the experiences these fuccbois have with technology is limited to using their macs or using html/javascript.

in short, most of them are fucking posers.
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>>10892285
>its inauthentic
christ you are a retard
What is "auhtentic" and what is not is defined by people wearing the said clothing. You just come up with bullshit excuses to shame people to not wear something for whatever petty ass reason you have.
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>>10889300
there are pretty good fits, it's the masks that throw them off
also you should probably post an example of what 'non teen' is rather than what it isnt
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>>10889997
autism boots
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>>10892285
>not a soldier
>can't wear milsurp

>not from {insert decade}
>can't wear clothes in the style of or from that decade

>not a miner from the 1890s
>can't wear denim

>don't play {insert sport}
>can't wear clothes associated with said sport

>not working in an environment where your shoes need to resist fat, oil and alkali
>can't wear doc martens

>it isn't raining
>can't wear waterproof materials

you're a fucking idiot mate
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>>10887452
As an anon said in the last thread, the muroexes look fine. I think about coping the supercell HP black. Does somebody have experience with them, or any other muroexe shoe?
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Just found these belts, which imo look way better than the cobra locks, at least in a casual fit. Never seen them in a fit before though
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>>10892341
>I have no taste so I'll just steal someone else's
Good idea mate
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>>10893923
they look kickstarter-tier
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I bet you fags can't tech-wear in the summer.
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>>10893957
>implying shorts don't exist

oh damn, yeah you right m8
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>>10893957
techwear in the summer is a myth
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>>10893950
They are. So?
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>>10893993
Exactly my point. Useless trend here in Florida.
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>>10893993
>>10894020
Techninja maybe as those fits rely on jackets. Casual tech (like Outlier) can work great on the summer.
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>>10894122
Got any inspo pics?
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>>10894020
Light pants and a soft shell is all a wear especially during monsoon season


You get quite a lot of use out of tech in FL

Just attach a sling to your rain jacket so you don't need to wear it
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>ITT: nerds taking clothes too seriously again.

just wear the jacket if it's cool. Nobody cares about your philosophy of personal dress lol
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>>10894191
Go to outliers site or any outdoors clothing brand. Posting obligatory appleseed
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>>10894197
>so you don't need to wear it
just wear cotton and linen like everyone else when its hot you autist. you dont need tech anything when its hot and dressing all black in the summer is retarded
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>>10894298
this is fucking shite lmao
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>>10894382
Talk shit post inspo.
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Onitsuka Tiger Colorado 85's are my personal techie choice.
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fav tech jacket

cav empt was obviously inspired by this
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>>10893949
this has to be b8
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>>10894457
>cav empt was obviously inspired by this
Are your fucking kidding me? That's a fucking anorak.
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http://store.silver-and-gold.com/ Silver and Gold stock a lot of tech brands, fit pics for everything too which are generally quite understated and stylish.
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>>10890020
pinroll pants
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>>10894937
Anon means the style of printing 'cav empt' over the shoulders
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>>10894937
its the design of the anorak with the logo print you fuccboi
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>>10893957
>>10894020
>>10894122
>>10894197
>>10894378
Florida native here

clothing brands like columbia tend to cater to the outdoor activities people do down here like golfing and fishing. Fishing shirts are a little interesting with the way they are vented but they probably aren't aesthetically pleasing to you all. When it's 100 degrees and humid outside, most people tend to throw aesthetics out the window and where the lightest breathable clothing they have. Personally an ideal fit would be light shorts, t-shirt and shoes like flyknits or something, all with quick drying materials if I'm going to be walking outside all day. If I'm going from home to car to work it doesn't matter so much because air conditioning. Wearing rain gear is not worth it, rain comes and goes fast here, keeping a jacket/umbrella in your car doesn't hurt though. Waterproof backpacks are a good idea as well.
>>10894298
I would not wear this in Florida if I'm going to be outside for any length of time, I can feel the swamp ass already. but I don't go outside much so I probably would wear it.
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>>10895334
My silhouette is meme enough anon.
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>>10890020
Nice hips faggot.
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>>10896129
talk shit post fit fom
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>>10896129
>in techwear thread
>not knowing what interops is

lol
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>>10887838
http://www.mokkimies.com/jackets__coats
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what music is techwear?
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does this count?
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>>10897022
w2c?
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Looking for similar. Ideas?
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>>10896989
Anything electronic that isn't dance music.
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>>10893559
Own the Muro Atom and Supercell in black. Both are super comfy, more than most shoes I've owned. They look amazing in person and are well made, but they will crease once you start wearing them, I recommend cedar shoe trees (you should use them with any shoes you want to keep in good condition). Would be wise to go half a size up, but don't worry too much about fit as they do free returns/replacements. Wait up for a bit if you can, they always do sales
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>>10889997
this is getting worse and worse every time you post it.
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>>10897433
lol wut
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>>10897433
techwear not retard niggerwear

wtf is up with the pencil? def not tech
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>>10897323
thanks, m8
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>>10897220
> isn't dance music
wut?

I'd say everything futuristic and dark, especially unmelodic, bass heavy electronic stuff. Primarily techstep, neurofunk, old school dubstep and idm
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>>10897384
All I did was add words to it
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>>10890020
what's your shoulder bag? looks cool from what i see
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>>10896989
dubstep, garage, dnb, etc. people from that scene basically dress sort of tech
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Installed a sling in the Acronym 3point format to my Undercover Goretex
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What are some techwear sunglasses?
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>>10889366
Proof that even the most badass coat looks like shit if you're a fatass.
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>>10898150
instructions on how you did that?
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so how is something defined as techwear? looks like goof ninja to me
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>>10897836
ew no
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>>10898201
Sew three 2 inch bars of .5 inch gross grain patches

1 Horizontally at the base of the neck

1 at each pit diagonally so that they look like this when looking at the inside of the jacket \ /
(See Pic)

The sling itself is a piece of 1'' olive nylon webbing.


I ran it through the slots and then sewed the ends of the strap up.

Initially i was going to do velcro but i got lazy.
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>>10898303
>gross grain

I refer to the glue on plackets of the Zara shirts meant to knock off tb as that
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What are some good pants similar to maharishi that aren't $130+? Preferably cargos
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Dumping some inspo that isn't tech ninja autistic trash.
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>>10898523
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>>10898533
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>>10898523
>>10898533
>>10898535
> "isn't tech ninja autistic trash"
> skipped the tech ninja and went straight to the autistic trash
> mfw
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>>10898303
>>10898316
It would probably be more comfortable if you use 1/2 inch elastic webbing, sewing loop and hooks on both ends too.
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>>10898546
so much this
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>>10897836
no, they dont. Go to a dnb party and have a look
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>>10897792
Is this the first techwear thread your in? Lurk more. Protip: jacket and bag belong together
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>>10890020
this is fucking terrible. hope you know that dude
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>>10898861
pasty nerds never look good in techwear
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>>10898822
>>10898293
i meant like the 2000s version of the scene not the current one
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>>10893559
>>10897323
Seconding this. They're fine when you get them, but they're the best when broken in a bit though. Not the most durable shoes ever, mine only lasted a season, but I'm copping a new pair come spring.
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>>10898947
I was active in the dnb scene in Bremen, Germany around 2006. The uniform was white sneaker, baggy jeans, supersize hoodies and basecaps. No tech at all. The music fits the techwear aesthetic, but the people don't wear it
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>>10887796
>stop lieking what I don't like

>btw your knowledge of acronym is shit
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>>10898983
You have a pic of beaten up shoes? I've never seen them irl and the net has only pics of shiny ones
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>>10897446
>>10897449
>not knowing Nasir Mazhar
lel
a lot of his clothing is really tech
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>>10898303
>Sew three 2 inch bars of .5 inch gross grain patches
>1 Horizontally at the base of the neck

guys i beg you, dont do this to your expenive waterproof gear.
this retard pierced a gore tex shell from the inside out with thread at the top of the fucking neck, this basically makes the jacket not waterproof, theres a reason all seams on waterproof gear are either taped or welded.
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>>10899386
this
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bump
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>>10897446
>>10897449
plebs
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>>10899557
> I identify as polygon soup
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>>10899386
You could hit the stitching with some seam grip, not as good as factory sealed seams, but still pretty good.
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>>10898549
Possibly, it's quite comfortable as it is though.

Iirc acronyms was mil spec
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>>10897029
That's stone island softshell r

>>10897134
Arcteryx Veilance obviously

>>10896989
How music can be techwear? Listen whatever you like. Errolson used hip hop as background in his older videos, I don't understand people who do shit like that. that's like reading Gibson and co only because of clothing. Stupid as hell

>>10898150
What jacket Is that? Please post fit, always loved uc gore tex pieces.

>>10899386
There is another fabric layer, so maybe he did that without damaging gore Tex shell
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do you think your style makes people feel apprehensive towards you? or even downright disregard you?

for me my style is mostly black and i wonder if it has any effect
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>>10900714
lmao, i meant to make this a new thread - but looking at techwear made me think this
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>>10898535
>>10898533
>>10898523
Are you being ironic when you say this isn't autistic
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>>10900658
Avakaketa Life
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>>10900894
I see fidlock. Nice jacket.
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>>10889997
is this a troll image
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>>10897134
uniqlo

i saw one just like this today in store
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>>10894298
>>10894382
it goes to the thing more than the paintball shit, moreso comfortable and useful, maybe too much, but at least not affected
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>>10897496
any soundcloud recos?
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>>10900941
It's honestly my biggest complaint about this jacket lol

The did lock is super close to the start of the zipper so you don't have enough room to quickly unzip it
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>>10890020

wow this look so shit

fedora neckbeards wont look good no matter that they buy
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I've been trying to come up with a wardrobe that incorporates lolita fashion and techwear together, most lolita clothes are useless and easily ruined, making it problematic if I want to carry my laptop or GR1 around. I don't intend to make it cyber-loli, which seems basically too ravey/campy to be practical.

I can't really think of anything like this that exists besides Nitori's outfit from Touhou. How can I weaponize my frills?
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>>10901174
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about
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>>10901174
Start off with a noose around your neck
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>>10901191
1" Milspec Noose of course
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>>10901174
Use a bag
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U R B A N T E C H W E A R
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T E C H W E A R B O Y S 2 7 3 0
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G R A I L B O I S 1 9 7 5
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What are some tech shoes any of you can recommend? Only exclusion is no nike.
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>>10901087
have fun

DnB/neurofunk
https://soundcloud.com/calyxteebee/sets/all-or-nothing-ram-records
https://soundcloud.com/neosignal/neosignal-podcast-volume-001
https://soundcloud.com/tamrecords

dupstep
https://soundcloud.com/search?q=kryptic%20minds
https://soundcloud.com/leonswitch
https://soundcloud.com/search?q=kromestar
https://soundcloud.com/asherchills

Techno/trance
https://soundcloud.com/zenon-records
https://soundcloud.com/photophobia/mini-mix

IDM
https://soundcloud.com/richarddjames
https://soundcloud.com/search?q=amon%20tobin

Other
https://soundcloud.com/prefuse73
https://soundcloud.com/user3874783/sets/e-mantra-silence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWXkwjVhq_E
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>>10901315
fattttttttt

lol this is sad af. got out of their car to pose under an underpass for a sick fit pic
so staged, forced and tryhard
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>>10901174
wah....? post fit
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>>10901421
> pose for picture
> complain about it being staged
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>>10901330
anthony fantano here
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>>10889300
i really usually like stunt's fits but this shits nearing cosplay tier lol
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>>10890020
lmao wtf
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>>10901087
go to rateyourmusic charts then enter your chose genre then sort top everything of alltime. that should be a good place to start

>>10901295
>>10901315
>>10901330
yuck
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>>10901405
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>>10901405
>rdj
>amon tobin
>no autechre
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>>10901466
Internet's busiest techwear nerd and it's time for a review of jacket that's fits x3 too big and costed me about $1700.
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>>10901487
Yeah, stunt fits are alright most of the time, but lately with acronym and guerrilla group he entered into cosplay zone.
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How tech is my gym bag
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>>10902261
there's a name I haven't seen in a long time.
don't troll the newfriends... they're very sensitive.
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I started posting occasionally again, it's been a while though.

This thread is non-stop bitching - I know everyone says this every year but is it possible this board got even worse?
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>>10902347
it's shit now. utter shit. full of underage fucks who think niggerwear/streetwear is fashion, useless posts, no sense of community.

I assume you've perused this thread?
>>10897722
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>>10902358
Lol yea I just finished going through it.
You read through it and realize how much time you've wasted on this site - some of it was pretty funny though.
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>>10902387
meh, I did learn quite a bit back then before all the menswear faggotry really took off on the 'net. at least back then we were a relatively small group and people actually gave reasonable critiques. Now I just come on to see what's going on. I'm too old now to give a shit what a bunch of high schoolers and college kids think.
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>>10902387
also, you should prob tripfag over there and say hi. i'm sure plenty of oldfags would like seeing an old trip poking in.
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are gorkas techwear?

kinda want one, but it's a pullover which makes it kinda lame for everyday usage
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>>10902429
huh? just anorak...
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>>10898340
these look like gorka pants

>>10894457
alright I've seen two of these types of jackets on /fa/, what are they?

my apologies if i'm asking dumb questions, i've never browsed /fa/
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>>10890033
>tfw you do research with computers and fit the whole aesthetic of techwear
feels good man

>>10892313
"non-teen" tech fits are anything that doesn't look like it was pulled out of an acronym lookbook. its just that its become overplayed online at this point that its nothing new like it once was. most people into techwear dress the same way with very little experimentation

>>10894457
the north face trans antartica anorak
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>>10902443
>my apologies if i'm asking dumb questions, i've never browsed /fa/

run away now
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>>10902451
>fit the whole aesthetic of techwear
you need to have some baseline of athletic ability to fit the aesthetic
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>>10902451
meant for
>>10902443
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>>10901854
Oh yea, I forgot based autechre. I'm sorry senpai
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>>10893559
holy shit these are sick, how have i never seen them before
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>>10901330
>>10901295
so great, fuck the haters
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>>10902451
As I am just slowly building my tech wardrobe, I find it hard to mix different brands without loosing coherency in the look. If you are interested in the tech, and not in the ninja, there are not many brands to choose from, and mixing with non-tech, non-cosplay brands is even harder. It's way easier to just stick with one thing and just get full Acronym. And because of the price, and the unavailability in most areas, it requires a big commitment to even start to experiment and try out combinations.
Generally, you will always look unusual if you copy runway looks from any designer.

I think techwear promises a hightech-superhero-in-disguise status which is attractive for nerds. But, as anon said above, it requires a body and a personality that can live up to this promise.
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>>10902731
look at Prada Sport and Zegna Sport for some nice understated tech stuff if you don't want the teen ninja cosplay look
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>>10893559
>muro.exe
how does the sizing on muro.exe compare to common sneakers like adidas, nike, chuck taylor?
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>>10898174
>Badass coat
Nigga this is that black mannequin shit
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>>10902491
I lift brah AND live in a really high tech environment.

>>10902741
Prada Sport is perhaps my 2nd favorite "tech" brand just behind Issey Miyake.

>>10902731
this x10
people are lazy basically
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Local Techwear enthusiasts (in Moscow) came up with this anorak made out of breathable waterproof membrane. What do you think of it?
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>>10902821
looks pnice
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>>10902821
Looks pretty dope.
Not my style, but it's a cool new look. The more options there are the better. Name of brand?
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>>10902837
The name of brand is a bit retarded. They called themselves "NAMELESS". But as long as there are no logos on the piece I am okay with that. There's not much info about them since they are advertising themselves in russian social network lol.
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>>10900658
>There is another fabric layer, so maybe he did that without damaging gore Tex shell

yeah, that layer is called the lining, its nowhere near strong enough to hold the entire weight of the jacket and its only attached at the hem, shoulders and neck, and the lining is most likely also taped, so theres no way he managed to remove it and put it back togeher without causing serious damage, either way, that jacket is now fucked
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>>10901315
A S I A N C R I N G E B O Y S
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>>10902803
Why do you think Miyake makes tech apparel? It's futuristic, no doubt, but I fail to see the additional functionality
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>>10890020
the glasses and hat don't go with the fit

I don't like the jeans either
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Adonis had some nice tech/active fits in Creed.
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/r/ing the pic of dude with ski boots and zara bag
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>>10903201
Nvm I got it
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>>10903201
>dude

fucking newfag
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>>10902848
Nameless by Techunter
http vk com tec_hunter

Sounds interesting, lets see where they go with this. As I understood google translate they are still testing
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>>10902879
Check the Final Home Parka

Their designer was a protege of miyakes who took his stuff and made clothing for the "Homeless"
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>>10903396
If anyone wants, I can do a review after I get it on my hands.
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>>10903458
+1
Good idea, I think we could generally use more reviews + closeup pics.
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>>10902879
I placed tech in quotes for a reason. Basically I don't view techwear as garments with an emphasis on functionality but garments with an emphasis on using technology as part of the garment-making process. All stereotypical techwear fall under here as well as Issey Miyake.
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>>10903396
>Techunter
Techunter is the most tryhard shit i've ever seen, these faggots even put they're watermark on images from tumblr. Also this jacket is awful.
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After seeing pic related I wondered if there were more techy inspired biker jacket out there
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>>10904521
What jacket is that?
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>>10902443
>these look like gorka pants

They do. I have them but I got the wrong size like a retard so I can't wear them :(
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>>10904871
I believe that's undercover
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>>10903215
what is this
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>>10889300
I really don't like these dudes. What even is individuality. Theyre jumping on the cav empt train now and honestly I'm scared for dear life.
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>>10898861
>>10901135
>>10901494
>>10903095
>>10898918
Guess I missed all this. Lol. That pic is me.
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>>10906982
I only see one cav empt piece lol
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>>10906982
It's certainly not fashion unless you seek to make your own clothes
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