DIY means fixing and making things yourself, stepping away from the consumerism and throw shit away when it stops working.
What I want to know is some product lines that you only have to buy once, and properly maintained will last forever:
Opinel carbon steel knives number 8
swiss army knifes
What Brands do you find that last?
I know, there has been a thread about that already but I thought: that has been years ago.. so let's revive it once more.
Also I am not the OP from last time.. but who cares?
>counts broken n bust maglites..
- in fairness, they used to be near-indestructible, think what they sell nowadays is cheap crap running on rest-brand fumes. Either that, or there is one HELL of a lot of Chinese knockoffs doing the rounds.
Ernest Wright scissors are good for when crafty stuff starts happening.
Doc Martens tend to last longer than you will have use for them.
You can offload a lot of cash on Estwing hammers but I never got one to date and their axes are distinctly average.
This is as close to forever as automobiles get
Buy and use antiques. Just about anything you can find that is an antique has 1, already gone through the test of time and can still function, and 2 is made of easily fixable parts or is really fucking durable.
I worked for an antique place for a few years. I spent all the money I made in that place.
>all these angry posts
Just hide the thread and move on.
>4chan must have changed.
No, it is just some guy that skipped breakfast or something.
>properly maitained will last forever
Sure, everything lasts forever if you extend "properly maintained" to mean "when bits break they get replaced with new ones". This is my grandfather's lighter, it's just had a new lid, hinge, wheel, rivets, flints, wadding and wick.
Straight razors are horrible, though. A decent safety razor and disposable blades are a better bet...and you still save shitloads of money. Also, like any other knife an be sharpened down to not being functional.
Mag-lites are HORRIBLE flashlight by modern standards, and they, too, require consumable batteries. I have one that's two years old that won't stay on, it only outputs 15 lumens, and it cranks through batteries like mad....Any NUMBER of other products are superior in every way.
Imco's leak. Liquid gas lighters are universally shit unless you have an o-ring sealed cap.
No clue on Sidchrome or Yaesu
Opinels are fantastic, but hardly immortal..the locking mechanism wears out over time until they are dangerous to use.
First gen gameboys are KNOWN for their screens failing.
French "knives" are just as variable in build quality as any other countries.
Swiss army knives are great, if they were made more than fifteen years ago. Those made after that are of a much lower quality.
Leatherman...yeah, ok, fair point.
There is no such thing as an "immortal" product. There are some products that last longer than others, but even with normal wear, EVERYTHING will break down in time.
Maglites are utter shit. They were better than the wretched flashlights typical of ancient times, but they eat leper anus by modern standards.
Streamlight make some outstanding rechargeable LED lights. That's all I buy now and they are cheaper by far than Maglights because they last longer and don't fail nearly as often.
I don't get people's fascination with these on this website. My electric razor has only lasted 5 years with zero signs of slowing. How long do you need $30 to last you? Before you say it, in case of an apocalypse I ain't worried about fucking shaving.
I doubt you own the equipment to properly "maintain" a gameboy.
Mercs are nice but >>726301
I daily drive a 70s beetle. That engine has a chance at outliving me.
Straight razors and safety razors give a closer shave than a cartridge. And as for myself, I don't get a big dumb breakout on my face the next day, with the added benefit that I can buy a shit ton of blades for next to nothing. A typical cartridge lasts me like 1.5 shaves because I've got thick beard hair.
The day I found out how close of a shave I could get with an electric razor was the last time I ever used a normal razor. I can even drive down the highway shaving with out risking my life.
That car is a huge piece of garbage. I had a friend who had one, broke down constantly. Then my brother was going to buy one, I told him not to. Well, he did anyway and that one too was a hunk of junk. Like every week it needed some stupid new part.
My two votes:
1980's Nissan and Toyota pick-ups.
1980's Stihl forestry chain saws
This is what I use. You can get them very cheaply on eBay with lots of different blades. solid construction, never fails, lasts indefinitely.
maybe more of a eurofag, but if you're talking classic DIYer utility vehicles, there is and can be only one, true classic..
Stihl is indeed a top shout though, respect, and all.
I don't think we had those here in the states.
I think our classic DIYer vehicle is probably the VW bus/ van. Not that they're super reliable, probably just average, but easy to work on and forgiving.
Honda 350 Scrambler. With regular maintenance, this thing will run forever...
Nah brah. Not a Jeep brand vehicle, which these days are made by Chrysler and are hunks of shit, but a real Jeep. A CJ series.
Offroad, either Willy CJ or older Jeep Cherokees with the 4.0l inline 6 AMC.
Passenger car, either a Volvo 240 series or Saab 99 or 900 (Classic 900, not the newer GM bullshit). All three have been known to go over a million miles with nothing but regular maintenance.
Does anyone know of a refillable liquid fuel (Like a zippo or imco) lighter that is sealed so the fuel doesn't evaporate when you're not using it?
Unimog. I have read the service manual for one of the older ones, it's like these things just don't accept being beyond repair.
No wonder even >40 year old rusted and dented ones are still going for so many shekels. It's not that they are rare and coveted oldtimers, they are just still so damn useful.
You should see their all plastic Unimogs. Guaranteed not to rust.
>Learn to shave better. I can go from full lumberjack to baby's ass in 15 minutes tops.
And 15 minutes later you can get 300 grit sandpaper level quality on any wood you rub across your face. Not worth. Just use trimmers.
The jeep cherokees used the AMC 4.0 inline 6 up until the end of its run in 2001. There were some slight problems with the casting on the intake manifold in the 2000 and early 2001's between the 3 and 4 cylinder, after they changed it slightly to accommodate for the distributorless ignition coil pack on the passenger side. Not sure about grand cherokees... Think they might have always used inferior V6 engine. New revamped cherokee line has V block motor. There are new castings available for the 2000-2001 cherokees, heat buildup around middle cylinders which occasionally causes a crack also overheats cyl 3 fuel injector and possibly fuel rail, giving misfire codes. Fix is wrapping injectors and fuel rail with high temp tubing. All in all, great engine, excellent torque and very well harmonically balanced. Very hard to kill, unless you seriously mistreat it.
Its not Willy or Willy's, Its Willys. The Y is pronounced like an I. So like pronounced like Willis but spelled with a Y.
Pretty much this.
>Any decently build flashlight + rechargables
>Disposable lighters are cheaper and more practical
>First gen gameboys can be emulated on anything, with a whole lot better screen
Volvo 240 series for sure, motors anyway. I learned to drift in a 244, until I killed the rear end on a curb (and still drove it for a couple of months after that), then drove an `81 245 I got for $75 for several years until the frame literally collapsed on the ground. I kept up with a 4L Jeep Wrangler in that (his engine was stronger, but I could shift faster ;) ). I never had any fear of a mechanical breakdown in either of those cars.
these god damn things, most durable piece of shit I've ever had the luxury of putting up with using
lighters are never that durable, but it's mostly due to abuse from being in pockets and shit.
dear god yes
I've seen someone get beaten with one, and after we put the keys back in it worked great still
didnt even get cracks in it and that guy got hit hard.
People are still using those old flukes like the Fluke 8060A or Fluke 10
my only problem with flukes is that the battery connectors are a bit shit also the fuses are specialy made and are
The only things it really needs is some thread tape and something to seal the LEDs. Then it can be water proof. I really want to make one of these things.
AFAIK all serious multimeters use HRC fuses, it's a safety measure to make sure the circuit breaks even if you feed it a huge amount of power. The 11A fuse used by Fluke has a rated breaking capacity of 20kA AC, which would make an ordinary glass fuse explode or arc.
I prefer the old analog stuff. My Micronta 22-214 still works really well and has lasted for 35-40 years of use (inherited it). On the other hand, I'm on my 4th digital clamp meter. Though my current digital clamp meter is a Harbor Freight Tools one that has outlasted even the Flukes. Don't know how that is possible though. lol
The only problem I ever had with the Micronta 22-214 is when I absentmindedly hooked it up incorrectly and blew the fuse. Easy fix obviously.
Wait a minute...
You're telling me, not only did you kill 3 clamp meters... but at least one of them was a fluke ?
What kind of retarded shit can you possibly be doing to do that ?
I've tried a 30 amp rated meter on a 200 amp circuit and it just went in overload protection.
You're not... like... measuring CatIV stuff with a cheap ass meter... are you ?
I have two 87v so I'm biased but I also have an agilent u1253b and for some stupid reason it makes the cutest sounds I've ever heard.
I like to show it to people and I've yet to find someone who didn't find it cute.
I'll make a vid because it's just worth showing..
Craftsman can be good, if its old enough. By the 80's just about everything was made in Taiwan. Prior to that it was mostly US made, with a little bit of European stuff depending on the item. But heres the rub; Craftsman never made a single tool. Same with anything made for Sears really. It was all contract work. From Kenmore appliances to Craftsman tools to Sears branded camping equipment, it was all made for them by others. Up until the 70's they generally went with very reputable companies and just slightly modified existing products or put them out with nothing more than branding changes. They even sold some cars using this system back in the 50's. Anyway, they still do the same shit today, it just they use crappier vendors to supply the product.
Even the cheapest ass analog meters are resonably durable due to having few parts.
Ive had digital meters give out on me all the time for unexplained resons, but my $10 walmart analog meter is still going strong.
Wow, forget /sci/, /x/, /fit/ and /pol/... this is my new home. I love you.
Concerning durability: Does anyone know an efficient way to get rid of the accumulator in a modern shaving device?
Is there any brand that's actually promoting real durability for small machines?
EASTPAK has a 30-year-guarantee but it's pretty limited to certain damages.
>You're telling me, not only did you kill 3 clamp meters... but at least one of them was a fluke ?
>What kind of retarded shit can you possibly be doing to do that ?
One fell off a table onto a floor all all its readings went skewed. The others just stopped working correctly right out of the storage drawer with no discernible reason (always about 10 days AFTER warranty expires, wtf).
customer at a buddies work got in an argument with someone over how much it'd take to fix something on his shit box, grabbed the shop keyboard and swung it at a manager while it was still plugged in and shit.
not much of a story to tell really, just typical shit
If you want a multimeter that will see through the appocolipse buy a AVO 8.
People confuse built to last and built to be fixed. I drove a series 3 land rover around Oz the hard way. It constantly broke down. I had tools and tanasity. When it Brooke the engine mounts I tied the engine back in with fencing wire and drove it through flooded creeks to a spot where I could get mounts delivered. I will always look for something that I can fix over a built to last 'sealed' unit.
Craftsman re-brands. Their re-branded German-made Knipex pliers are the best you'll get anywhere. Their regular #1 #2 and #3 screwdrivers however are made in China and are better prybars /chisels than they are screwdrivers.
my Oltronix C50 - 5R lasted me forever, the only place i've found it online is at a tech-museum. I got it of an engineering school that had to move, and could not bring all their stuff, so they had to throw a lot out. And since my friends father worked there, we were allowed to go in and take what we wanted - shit was like heaven. I brought back 4 fully funtional ocilloscopes (one analog), 5 powersupplies, a stabilization machine - for balancing ball bearings. And a ton of other scientific equipment from the 60-70'ties and upwards, with special made casings and bags for everything
- now see, gems like that, sitting there, ooozing quality, competence and general 'boys who built me, actually gave a fuck' attitude.. Johnny Ives & Co, no fucking idea, none at all. Doubt you'd find anything comparable built in the last 10 years, and no shit.
iPod. I know they're natural lifespan is horrible but as they are/were the most common mp3, it makes for the easy to get parts and for peanuts you can keep an ipod running with a little diy. people are so quick to throw shit away simply when it stops working and ipods love to stop working.
You might not like Apple, God knows I don't, but don't shit talk Jony Ive. You might not like the aesthetic, but he's good at what he does, and he's said more than once that if his work becomes substandard he'll leave Apple. More than can be said for most designers who just do the same damn thing until it's out of style and antiquated.
His work is substandard.
The iPod had the most unintuitive interface in the history of mankind. (I dare you, hand one to someone who's never seen one and ask them to do a simple task like switch it on, or get it to stop playing).
He's embarking on a campaign to remove affordances from iOS, an OS whose design aesthetic was previously "write on each thing that does something what it does in words". Until Ive fucked about with it, the number of undiscoverable features or bizarre unexplained symbols in iOS could be counted on one hand.
He's made a giant comedy phone that doesn't actually fit a human hand, and he lifted the design wholesale from the iPod Touch.
Steve Jobs would have kicked his ass by now.
That engine is indestructible. I had one that ran months with almost no oil (long story). Before it died I'd get offers about twice a year from people that wanted to buy that old truck.
Thank you. I fucking hate Apple's aesthetic. I had to use the command prompt to do anything in osx. Bought an iMac and really wanted to like it... had to sell it a year later because it was just such a piece of shit I couldn't stand it.
Got two of these. Still working perfectly.
Also had a Diesel series iii and rebuilt the engine myself - taught me about injectors and so on.
My mate borrowed it for his landscaping business and rppied the rear chassis trying to pull a treestump out - it cost him £400 to repair it. Other than welding working on it was a piece of piss - my boat trailer punched a hole in the back door - an hour with a hammer, dolly, pop riveter, alu plate and some green paint fixed that.
Except many things are made in such a way that parts practically cannot be replaced. Which is fine by me. Modern production lines can be so efficient that making a new product will take half the man-hours of replacing a part in it, and not having to set up a huge spare parts distribution system probably makes sense from an environmental viewpoint too.
A lot of people complain these days (as they probably always have) that things don't last as long as they used to (which is probably not even true, it's just that your grandpa's TV set is one of the sets on the far right of the survivability bell curve for that model), yet people buy new appliances/tools/cars/whatever not because they break down, but because they have become technologically inferior. Doesn't matter that my maglite from '92 still works, it has been retired because it is being outshined by the little LED on the back of my phone, not to even speak of modern dedicated flashlights. Your fridge from 1964 still runs you say? Great. Only it consumes enough power to make five modern fridges every year, which not only aren't filled with extremely poisonous gases anymore, but also use almost no power. Modern cars break down completely after ten years, you complain? I don't want fifty year old cars on the roads. I bike there. I want cars with traction control, clean burning engines and catalytic converters, proper headlights and automatic, black magic anti-run-over-people radar technology.
But there is no excuse for why my new Stanley knife lasts a year while my dad's is going strong after 30. The offending part is made visibly inferior in the newer models. Fuck Stanley.
good to know. thak you.
i actually copied some products from the last thread in and did not check, if there were any which were just the same with different names.
I am thinking of copying the posts of the last thread into this one, but i am afraid of the spam filter on 4chan. does anyone know how and where to upload some html-file to a website for free?
I'd change the "french knifes" into Swedish knives, brands like Fällkniven and Mora are repeatedly getting good reviews. Admitedly Mora more as a cheap use and throw knife but given maintenance it should last you a lifetime.
With the cheapest going for about 5 USD I can see why the maintenance is often overlooked.